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At the moment, Llywelyn Fawr name is listed for the article
Llywelyn the Great. However there is confusion here as to who is who, Llywelyn Fawr is the name of Llywelyn the Elder (now this article's named
Elder Llywelyn), however this name is already in use for Llywelyn the Great, who would also be considered Llywelyn I. Is there any consensus as to shortening the name of Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan ab Owain Gwynedd, or is Elder Llywelyn acceptable, or maybe ask administration to alter the name once more ?
Cltjames (
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17:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply
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Cltjames: There seem be a few Google hits for "Llywelyn Fawr ap Maredudd" and "Llywelyn Fawr ap Maredudd ap Cynan"; I would suggest the former. Anything beginning "Llywelyn ap Maredudd" is presumably no good as he was one of two brothers called Llywelyn. (Though I do note that our article on his son is at
Maredudd ap Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan, and his grandson's at
Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan.) So this Llywelyn Fawr is Llywelyn 'the great(er of the two)', and his brother Llywelyn Fychan is Llywelyn the 'small' (i.e. lesser). Is "Llywelyn the elder" (the current title of this article) used at all by reliable sources?
Ham II (
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08:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Ham II: I would like you to cross reference with a talk discussion I started
Talk:Llywelyn the Great#Llywelyn 'Fawr'?. In several online sources Llywelyn the Great is never listed as Fawr, I believe there has been some confusion as to who Llywelyn 'Fawr' was. Dictionary of national biography (encyclopedia) and dictionary of Welsh biography both list Llywelyn Fawr and Llywelyn the Great as different people, and over the course of time the two names have been mistakenly mixed up. Llywelyn the great was never Llywelyn Fawr, it is just a very basic translation of 'Great' into Welsh. Really this article should be named Llywelyn Fawr, and Llywelyn the Great should lose the naming rights to Fawr in the wikipedia search engine.
Cltjames (
talk)
12:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The only redirect that's actually important here, to me, is that Llwelyn Fawr and the Great are shown as being the same individual; the only reason for my involvement is
Cltjames' dicking around with nonsensical page moves in the first place. HTH 🙂
SN5412912:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I was trying to make an improvement, and it seems to have been a first draft. We acted as a team working bit by bit, the most important thing is the correct naming for the article is complete. Thanks for your help @
Serial Number 54129: but no need for the rude word.
Cltjames (
talk)
14:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
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At the moment, Llywelyn Fawr name is listed for the article
Llywelyn the Great. However there is confusion here as to who is who, Llywelyn Fawr is the name of Llywelyn the Elder (now this article's named
Elder Llywelyn), however this name is already in use for Llywelyn the Great, who would also be considered Llywelyn I. Is there any consensus as to shortening the name of Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan ab Owain Gwynedd, or is Elder Llywelyn acceptable, or maybe ask administration to alter the name once more ?
Cltjames (
talk)
17:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Cltjames: There seem be a few Google hits for "Llywelyn Fawr ap Maredudd" and "Llywelyn Fawr ap Maredudd ap Cynan"; I would suggest the former. Anything beginning "Llywelyn ap Maredudd" is presumably no good as he was one of two brothers called Llywelyn. (Though I do note that our article on his son is at
Maredudd ap Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan, and his grandson's at
Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Llywelyn ap Maredudd ap Cynan.) So this Llywelyn Fawr is Llywelyn 'the great(er of the two)', and his brother Llywelyn Fychan is Llywelyn the 'small' (i.e. lesser). Is "Llywelyn the elder" (the current title of this article) used at all by reliable sources?
Ham II (
talk)
08:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Ham II: I would like you to cross reference with a talk discussion I started
Talk:Llywelyn the Great#Llywelyn 'Fawr'?. In several online sources Llywelyn the Great is never listed as Fawr, I believe there has been some confusion as to who Llywelyn 'Fawr' was. Dictionary of national biography (encyclopedia) and dictionary of Welsh biography both list Llywelyn Fawr and Llywelyn the Great as different people, and over the course of time the two names have been mistakenly mixed up. Llywelyn the great was never Llywelyn Fawr, it is just a very basic translation of 'Great' into Welsh. Really this article should be named Llywelyn Fawr, and Llywelyn the Great should lose the naming rights to Fawr in the wikipedia search engine.
Cltjames (
talk)
12:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The only redirect that's actually important here, to me, is that Llwelyn Fawr and the Great are shown as being the same individual; the only reason for my involvement is
Cltjames' dicking around with nonsensical page moves in the first place. HTH 🙂
SN5412912:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I was trying to make an improvement, and it seems to have been a first draft. We acted as a team working bit by bit, the most important thing is the correct naming for the article is complete. Thanks for your help @
Serial Number 54129: but no need for the rude word.
Cltjames (
talk)
14:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply