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Should we add twin towns to infoboxes? This would create a common format for recording these connections. I imagine this would take massive consensus building among editors? I'm scraping all the twin town data, so could provide a script to update infoboxes. Anyway, something to think about/discuss...Reviewing the various lists for twins shows different countries and areas have used different formatting rules. Some use tables, some more free form lists. Within the town/city main articles there are also different titles and ways to describe twin towns. If this info is in the infobox it will be picked up more readily by dbpedia and wikidata allowing more interesting data analysis such as this https://www.flickr.com/photos/29266908@N02/15846030356/ -- Fozy81 ( talk) 19:53, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Being a Limean myself, that is, a Peruvian from Lima... I must denounce the impossibility of San Borja or Villa El Salvador being sister cities to any other city in the world... Simply put neither of them is a city... Both are districts, that is, subdivisions to a city; The city of Lima... So... Whoever put them there, either he/she was joking, betrayed by pride or else, rather than being corrected by other people, he/she must correct this blatant inconsistency himself/herself... Undead Herle King 02:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a good idea for a page but it needs a lot of work on the links, and checking that it doesn't duplicate elsewhere. The twin town information ought to be on each town's own entry, of course, but a list is still very useful. seglea 18:51, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It should be on each town as you say - but not only isn't it, most of these towns haven't even got entries as you can see from the swathes of red links. Somebody more technically inclined than me might like to find a way of automatically putting the twin information on each town's page (?) is this possible? btljs 19:33, 23 Dec 2003 (GMT)
That's the sort of thing a robot does nicely, but I'm afraid I don't have the skills either. Try putting a request on the Wikipedia:Village Pump. An easier task for a robot would be to go through the page making reciprocal lists, i.e. add all the France etc twins from the UK into the France etc section & vice versa. BTW a few of the red links may there really - they may just be formatted differently, e.g. have ", England" after them seglea 20:01, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I too was going to point out the lack of double-endedness in the lists: given that every twinning has 2 ends, it is impossible for one country to have more entries in this list than the rest put together, but the UK manages this so far. I'll write a
perl script to sort out the current content when I get round to it, but people adding new towns after that should be told to put both ends in. As for adding it to each town's page, that's not so easily automated, as it would need human assistance to put it in an appropriate place, see if it was already there, etc.
On an unrelated note, is there any good reason to list UK towns by ceremonial county, given that most people wouldn't even know what one of those was? It may even be more sensible to divide by region, to avoid so many underpopulated subheadings taking up space. - IMSoP 14:58, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I've started writing a perl script that will make sure both ends of each twinning are listed as they should be. It's taken me longer than I expexted to deal with all the different formatting conventions people have used already, but I got there in the end. Putting all that data into a new structure will probably be done in the next couple of days. I'd request that nobody makes any major formatting changes to the list in the meantime - IMSoP 01:01, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I read the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) page and I think it's one of those situations where people have got too close to the problem to see the wood for the trees. There are 2 functions of putting a county name in a Wikipedia article: 1. To inform; 2. To be searched on. This page uses them in the second sense: i.e. you are looking for a town so you go to the county to find it. The only problem then is when you are using a different model of counties and it is not where you expect it to be. I would, therefore suggest (in keeping with the philosophy of the web as a whole) that more than one way of sorting the information is provided. E.g. A to Z of towns AND towns by county country etc. I don't know if this is at odds with Wikipedia policy on redundancy but that's how you'd do it if you were storing the information in a database - you almost never only present information in one rigid order (one sort fits all).
As for the first use, the discussion sic. is all very interesting but as a user of the 'pedia you want ALL relevant info. So if Godmanchester used to be in one county and now is in another or if there are differences in borders then that is useful information which should be available. There is no right and wrong - only useful and not useful. btljs
Well, at long last, I got round to finishing my perl-script! The list should now include entries under both halves of any twinning. The only exception is Edinburgh, because I'm not sure where to insert it if we're sorting by ceremonial county (are they England only?).
If anyone has any opinions on the layout of the list, it should be trivial to change now that it's consistent. I may make a second script to go through and copy the date information from entry to entry as well, if it seems too hard to do by hand. Also, there may be the odd glitch introduced by the way I processed the data - hopefully, though, no data has actually been lost.
Finally, I'll copy the script I used to User:IMSoP/parse_t_t.pl, in case anyone's curious. Most of it was only necessary due to the massive inconsistency of formatting on the list, and so should never be needed again, but the checks for non-reciprocal listings may need to be re-run at some point in the future. Enjoy! - IMSoP 03:11, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There are so many! I'm going to chuck a load here so that I don't muck up the new formatting, then delete them as I enter them (anyone else is welcome to as well) Btljs 22 Mar 2004
Playing around on Google, I found a list of Hampshire town-twinnings which somebody could incorporate, at http://www.hants.gov.uk/localpages/twintown.html - IMSoP 17:41, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This list is looking pretty good now, and if anyone were to search Google for a "list of twin towns" (or indeed without the quote-marks), this is what they'd find. However, I'm worried that the list is somewhat taking over, and hiding the fact that there could be a lot more discussion of town twinning itself. Furthermore, the disambiguation between twin towns, twin cities and sister cities is currently a little vague and would benefit from better clarification. I therefore propose something like the following:
What do people think? - IMSoP 18:21, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like a good strategy - we really do need to merge the twin towns and sister cities pages, they really are the same thing. And the list could get very very long so having a separate concept page makes a lot of sense. seglea 06:13, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Here's a "fun" project for someone who's really really bored - "St. Petersburg has 53 cities-partners" [1] (how greedy!). And there they all are, all listed in apparently no kind of order, some using Russian rather than English naming conventions, but nonetheless all with years of formation. So, who fancies:
I could automate the first 2 steps with another of my famous perl scripts, but since the third step requires merging with any existing listings for each place, it's not so simple to automate... :-/ IMSoP 16:50, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
The table of contents is getting very long now with all the countries and all the counties of UK. Is there a wiki standard for contents tables and contents sub-tables? Should we be subdividing down e.g. continent, country, region/county? It did occur to me that to be strictly consistent, either EVERY country should be divided into its 'regions' or the UK counties should be abandoned and an A to Z list of towns be put in as ti is for every other country. btljs 11:24, 8 June 2004 (UTC)
The following were lying around on this page: somebody's suggestion for "see also"s? - IMSoP 17:40, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've added links for Marcq-en-Baroeul, France, and Kreis Steinfurt, Germany, both of which have links in their respective languages [ [2]] [ [3]]. I'm not sure if and how these links should be represented in the English page. Isidore 20:18, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have made a new heading for European Russia, as hitherto we had the absurdity of 10 European cities (for example, Kaliningrad) appearing under the heading "Asian cities". I have used this map as representing the received delimitation of Europe; however, it could be considered somewhat controversial at its southern end -- many would say that the boundary of Europe actually runs along the crest of the Caucasus Mountains. Using this map also means that Rostov-na-Donu is in Europe only by virtue of the fact that the city centre is on the right (north) bank of the Don. I would tend to be of the opinion that Rostov is a European city without question (similarly Russian cities like Novorossiysk on the NE coast of the Black Sea), so perhaps a "border" on the Caucasian ridge would be preferable? -- Picapica 11:19, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
That's fair enough. But I would strongly urge the "vice versa" option ("... all of Russia is classified under Europe"). The great majority of twinnings (and there quite a few more to be added yet) are with communities in European Russia, and given the distribution of population in the Russian Federation that is likely always to remain true. -- Picapica 09:36, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Maybe Russia should just be a top-level heading, rather than being listed under any continent. -- Smjg 09:47, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I've only just noticed that we've had separate entries for Turkey-in-Asia and Turkey-in-Europe under our noses (for some time?). Would welcome any views on the way I've attempted to deal with that. -- Picapica 19:21, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Now done. I'd favour not complicating things unnecessarily with anything else in the way of explanatory (foot)notes, unless there are strong objections. -- Picapica 20:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can people suggest some alternate method of formating the list, rather than 'African Cities' etc. as in many countries the term 'city' has some legal or tradiational definition which may not be appropriate within the context...
Equally I'd object to any other specific term (e.g. town, village, etc.) Maybe one could list them as African twins, European twins, etc? -- NeilTarrant 16:32, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I suggest to keep it to a more readable+managable size that we split give the German and UK twins each a page of their own, such as with the French twins. -- Joolz 01:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Since it's been a while since I did so, and since the whole thing's been mashed by a software bug at some point, I'm going to try and write another script to "normalise" this page. For now, I'll put the French section back in, until we come up with some system for splitting or not splitting the page (see above). - IMSoP 16:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I cleaned up the Canada section so that the cities preceded provinces, and everything lined nicely. I also added Barrie and Zweibrucken to the list, the former being my own hometown. This is my first Wiki edit ever, so sorry if anything is wrong.
Should we just revert or try to integrated the two sections? -- Anubis1975 10:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted back to 11 July version. I will try and reapply the changes since 11 July. -- Anubis1975 08:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Should we list all these? The concept is certainly the same, although some of the towns involved are very small. There are 254 chains, giving perhaps 800-900 entries. http://www.norden.se/vanortskedjor.asp (My point might well be that if we are to list all examples of town twinning, we cannot possibly do it in a single article. And also that it would be a lot of work, but that's no news for anyone.) -- Jao 11:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Having just paid a return visit to this page (as I haven't yet entered even half the items on my "little list" of 852 links found just by browsing on the various European-language wikipedias), after a long absence...
I see that very many country names have now been "hotlinked" (forgotten the correct Wiki-term!) as in e.g.
Is this a good idea?
1) I can see that someone reading this list and learning from it that Lisbon is twinned with Budapest and Luanda, for example, might well want to be able to go quickly and directly to the articles on Lisbon, Budapest, or Luanda... but to the country articles on Hugary, etc.?
2) I think it makes the lists a lot harder to read than the original style of
3) I am also dubious about the benefit of hotlinking the years (when mentioned), although they almost always were so linked before (it isn't compulsory always to treat years in this way, especially when such linking serves little if any real purpose!)
While I think I can understand what might have been the reasons why someone thought it a good idea at the time to send the information under the France heading to another page, this proved, as far as I am concerned, a real pain when it first occurred -- because of the complication it added to the process of ensuring that both "ends" of all French twinning links were entered. (In fact, now I come to think of it, it was probably the reason why I stopped adding to the list.)
Now I find that the same treatment has been applied to Germany and the UK! -- making it necessary to keep four articles open (with the extra risk of edict conflicts involved) if trying to maintain method and consistency... :-(
Is this arrangement now a "done deal"? I'd appreciate hearing what other contributors think before I make my mind up about whether to return to adding any more of my twinning links to this article. TIA -- Picapica 17:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, LtP. -- Picapica 21:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, for now I'll go on adding towns from my list, but omitting any with twins in the "removed" countries: France, Germany, Japan, UK, USA... -- Picapica 21:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Is Sydney a sister city of NYC? Other sources [4] don't even mention Sydney. (See also New York City).-- Just James 21:08, 26 October 2006 (GMT+10:00)
They can't be listed as Palestine as there is no such thing. I would say they can't be listed as Israel either because Israel has not formally annexed them. I think for the time being they need to be listed separately. Valley2city 18:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I think West Bank and Gaza should not be separated but rather be with the Israeli section (but clearly marked "disputed). Wouldn't this minimise ambiguity? -- DandanxD 15:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
am deleting it as there is no external reference i can find. also done by anon IP. -- ti 06:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I added Tarragona and Girona to the list, I used wikipedia as source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iru9k ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
La Crosse, WI is sister cities with:
Epinal, France; Dubna, Russia; Friedberg, Germany; Luoyang, China; Forde, Norway and Bantry, Ireland.
Source: http://www.cityoflacrosse.org/index.asp?nid=566
Walla Walla, Washington should be twinned with Wagga Wagga, New South Wales simply on the grounds of assonance, if nothing else. Jhobson1 15:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This article MUST BE SPLIT UP. I red it the first time now and I find it completely chaotic. There gotta be links for the lists of each single country's town's twin towns. Every country must have his own list of twin towns. Ohterwise is the article completely chaotic [as it now is]... it is really not providing an easy survey.-- Lycantrophe 10:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Could someone provide an aproximate number of pairs? robots? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.96.22 ( talk) 03:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I see from trying different wikilinks that Central America and the Caribbean are apparently included in the North America list. In the United States, however, these two regions frequently are not considered part of North America. For the sake of U.S. users, is there a workable name for that list that would make clear that it includes those regions? That way, it doesn't appear that those regions are not covered by the set of lists, yet they would still be broken out in a way that makes sense to the rest of the world. Lawikitejana ( talk) 22:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Rehman( +) 08:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Lists of Twin towns and sister cities → Lists of twin towns and sister cities — In September 2010 user Mauk111 ( talk · contribs) renamed the article with no explanation (added capital "T" letter in "twin" in the title). But there is a bunch of articles with the title "Lists of twin towns and sister cities" (small "t" letter), see: Lists of Twin towns and sister cities#Africa, Lists of Twin towns and sister cities#Africa, etc. So, wiki admins, I ask you to rename this article back according to the standard name for "lists about twin towns and sister cities". 85.141.134.18 ( talk) 15:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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Should we add twin towns to infoboxes? This would create a common format for recording these connections. I imagine this would take massive consensus building among editors? I'm scraping all the twin town data, so could provide a script to update infoboxes. Anyway, something to think about/discuss...Reviewing the various lists for twins shows different countries and areas have used different formatting rules. Some use tables, some more free form lists. Within the town/city main articles there are also different titles and ways to describe twin towns. If this info is in the infobox it will be picked up more readily by dbpedia and wikidata allowing more interesting data analysis such as this https://www.flickr.com/photos/29266908@N02/15846030356/ -- Fozy81 ( talk) 19:53, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Being a Limean myself, that is, a Peruvian from Lima... I must denounce the impossibility of San Borja or Villa El Salvador being sister cities to any other city in the world... Simply put neither of them is a city... Both are districts, that is, subdivisions to a city; The city of Lima... So... Whoever put them there, either he/she was joking, betrayed by pride or else, rather than being corrected by other people, he/she must correct this blatant inconsistency himself/herself... Undead Herle King 02:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a good idea for a page but it needs a lot of work on the links, and checking that it doesn't duplicate elsewhere. The twin town information ought to be on each town's own entry, of course, but a list is still very useful. seglea 18:51, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It should be on each town as you say - but not only isn't it, most of these towns haven't even got entries as you can see from the swathes of red links. Somebody more technically inclined than me might like to find a way of automatically putting the twin information on each town's page (?) is this possible? btljs 19:33, 23 Dec 2003 (GMT)
That's the sort of thing a robot does nicely, but I'm afraid I don't have the skills either. Try putting a request on the Wikipedia:Village Pump. An easier task for a robot would be to go through the page making reciprocal lists, i.e. add all the France etc twins from the UK into the France etc section & vice versa. BTW a few of the red links may there really - they may just be formatted differently, e.g. have ", England" after them seglea 20:01, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I too was going to point out the lack of double-endedness in the lists: given that every twinning has 2 ends, it is impossible for one country to have more entries in this list than the rest put together, but the UK manages this so far. I'll write a
perl script to sort out the current content when I get round to it, but people adding new towns after that should be told to put both ends in. As for adding it to each town's page, that's not so easily automated, as it would need human assistance to put it in an appropriate place, see if it was already there, etc.
On an unrelated note, is there any good reason to list UK towns by ceremonial county, given that most people wouldn't even know what one of those was? It may even be more sensible to divide by region, to avoid so many underpopulated subheadings taking up space. - IMSoP 14:58, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I've started writing a perl script that will make sure both ends of each twinning are listed as they should be. It's taken me longer than I expexted to deal with all the different formatting conventions people have used already, but I got there in the end. Putting all that data into a new structure will probably be done in the next couple of days. I'd request that nobody makes any major formatting changes to the list in the meantime - IMSoP 01:01, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I read the Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) page and I think it's one of those situations where people have got too close to the problem to see the wood for the trees. There are 2 functions of putting a county name in a Wikipedia article: 1. To inform; 2. To be searched on. This page uses them in the second sense: i.e. you are looking for a town so you go to the county to find it. The only problem then is when you are using a different model of counties and it is not where you expect it to be. I would, therefore suggest (in keeping with the philosophy of the web as a whole) that more than one way of sorting the information is provided. E.g. A to Z of towns AND towns by county country etc. I don't know if this is at odds with Wikipedia policy on redundancy but that's how you'd do it if you were storing the information in a database - you almost never only present information in one rigid order (one sort fits all).
As for the first use, the discussion sic. is all very interesting but as a user of the 'pedia you want ALL relevant info. So if Godmanchester used to be in one county and now is in another or if there are differences in borders then that is useful information which should be available. There is no right and wrong - only useful and not useful. btljs
Well, at long last, I got round to finishing my perl-script! The list should now include entries under both halves of any twinning. The only exception is Edinburgh, because I'm not sure where to insert it if we're sorting by ceremonial county (are they England only?).
If anyone has any opinions on the layout of the list, it should be trivial to change now that it's consistent. I may make a second script to go through and copy the date information from entry to entry as well, if it seems too hard to do by hand. Also, there may be the odd glitch introduced by the way I processed the data - hopefully, though, no data has actually been lost.
Finally, I'll copy the script I used to User:IMSoP/parse_t_t.pl, in case anyone's curious. Most of it was only necessary due to the massive inconsistency of formatting on the list, and so should never be needed again, but the checks for non-reciprocal listings may need to be re-run at some point in the future. Enjoy! - IMSoP 03:11, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There are so many! I'm going to chuck a load here so that I don't muck up the new formatting, then delete them as I enter them (anyone else is welcome to as well) Btljs 22 Mar 2004
Playing around on Google, I found a list of Hampshire town-twinnings which somebody could incorporate, at http://www.hants.gov.uk/localpages/twintown.html - IMSoP 17:41, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This list is looking pretty good now, and if anyone were to search Google for a "list of twin towns" (or indeed without the quote-marks), this is what they'd find. However, I'm worried that the list is somewhat taking over, and hiding the fact that there could be a lot more discussion of town twinning itself. Furthermore, the disambiguation between twin towns, twin cities and sister cities is currently a little vague and would benefit from better clarification. I therefore propose something like the following:
What do people think? - IMSoP 18:21, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like a good strategy - we really do need to merge the twin towns and sister cities pages, they really are the same thing. And the list could get very very long so having a separate concept page makes a lot of sense. seglea 06:13, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Here's a "fun" project for someone who's really really bored - "St. Petersburg has 53 cities-partners" [1] (how greedy!). And there they all are, all listed in apparently no kind of order, some using Russian rather than English naming conventions, but nonetheless all with years of formation. So, who fancies:
I could automate the first 2 steps with another of my famous perl scripts, but since the third step requires merging with any existing listings for each place, it's not so simple to automate... :-/ IMSoP 16:50, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
The table of contents is getting very long now with all the countries and all the counties of UK. Is there a wiki standard for contents tables and contents sub-tables? Should we be subdividing down e.g. continent, country, region/county? It did occur to me that to be strictly consistent, either EVERY country should be divided into its 'regions' or the UK counties should be abandoned and an A to Z list of towns be put in as ti is for every other country. btljs 11:24, 8 June 2004 (UTC)
The following were lying around on this page: somebody's suggestion for "see also"s? - IMSoP 17:40, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I've added links for Marcq-en-Baroeul, France, and Kreis Steinfurt, Germany, both of which have links in their respective languages [ [2]] [ [3]]. I'm not sure if and how these links should be represented in the English page. Isidore 20:18, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have made a new heading for European Russia, as hitherto we had the absurdity of 10 European cities (for example, Kaliningrad) appearing under the heading "Asian cities". I have used this map as representing the received delimitation of Europe; however, it could be considered somewhat controversial at its southern end -- many would say that the boundary of Europe actually runs along the crest of the Caucasus Mountains. Using this map also means that Rostov-na-Donu is in Europe only by virtue of the fact that the city centre is on the right (north) bank of the Don. I would tend to be of the opinion that Rostov is a European city without question (similarly Russian cities like Novorossiysk on the NE coast of the Black Sea), so perhaps a "border" on the Caucasian ridge would be preferable? -- Picapica 11:19, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
That's fair enough. But I would strongly urge the "vice versa" option ("... all of Russia is classified under Europe"). The great majority of twinnings (and there quite a few more to be added yet) are with communities in European Russia, and given the distribution of population in the Russian Federation that is likely always to remain true. -- Picapica 09:36, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Maybe Russia should just be a top-level heading, rather than being listed under any continent. -- Smjg 09:47, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I've only just noticed that we've had separate entries for Turkey-in-Asia and Turkey-in-Europe under our noses (for some time?). Would welcome any views on the way I've attempted to deal with that. -- Picapica 19:21, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Now done. I'd favour not complicating things unnecessarily with anything else in the way of explanatory (foot)notes, unless there are strong objections. -- Picapica 20:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can people suggest some alternate method of formating the list, rather than 'African Cities' etc. as in many countries the term 'city' has some legal or tradiational definition which may not be appropriate within the context...
Equally I'd object to any other specific term (e.g. town, village, etc.) Maybe one could list them as African twins, European twins, etc? -- NeilTarrant 16:32, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I suggest to keep it to a more readable+managable size that we split give the German and UK twins each a page of their own, such as with the French twins. -- Joolz 01:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Since it's been a while since I did so, and since the whole thing's been mashed by a software bug at some point, I'm going to try and write another script to "normalise" this page. For now, I'll put the French section back in, until we come up with some system for splitting or not splitting the page (see above). - IMSoP 16:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I cleaned up the Canada section so that the cities preceded provinces, and everything lined nicely. I also added Barrie and Zweibrucken to the list, the former being my own hometown. This is my first Wiki edit ever, so sorry if anything is wrong.
Should we just revert or try to integrated the two sections? -- Anubis1975 10:42, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted back to 11 July version. I will try and reapply the changes since 11 July. -- Anubis1975 08:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Should we list all these? The concept is certainly the same, although some of the towns involved are very small. There are 254 chains, giving perhaps 800-900 entries. http://www.norden.se/vanortskedjor.asp (My point might well be that if we are to list all examples of town twinning, we cannot possibly do it in a single article. And also that it would be a lot of work, but that's no news for anyone.) -- Jao 11:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Having just paid a return visit to this page (as I haven't yet entered even half the items on my "little list" of 852 links found just by browsing on the various European-language wikipedias), after a long absence...
I see that very many country names have now been "hotlinked" (forgotten the correct Wiki-term!) as in e.g.
Is this a good idea?
1) I can see that someone reading this list and learning from it that Lisbon is twinned with Budapest and Luanda, for example, might well want to be able to go quickly and directly to the articles on Lisbon, Budapest, or Luanda... but to the country articles on Hugary, etc.?
2) I think it makes the lists a lot harder to read than the original style of
3) I am also dubious about the benefit of hotlinking the years (when mentioned), although they almost always were so linked before (it isn't compulsory always to treat years in this way, especially when such linking serves little if any real purpose!)
While I think I can understand what might have been the reasons why someone thought it a good idea at the time to send the information under the France heading to another page, this proved, as far as I am concerned, a real pain when it first occurred -- because of the complication it added to the process of ensuring that both "ends" of all French twinning links were entered. (In fact, now I come to think of it, it was probably the reason why I stopped adding to the list.)
Now I find that the same treatment has been applied to Germany and the UK! -- making it necessary to keep four articles open (with the extra risk of edict conflicts involved) if trying to maintain method and consistency... :-(
Is this arrangement now a "done deal"? I'd appreciate hearing what other contributors think before I make my mind up about whether to return to adding any more of my twinning links to this article. TIA -- Picapica 17:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, LtP. -- Picapica 21:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, for now I'll go on adding towns from my list, but omitting any with twins in the "removed" countries: France, Germany, Japan, UK, USA... -- Picapica 21:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Is Sydney a sister city of NYC? Other sources [4] don't even mention Sydney. (See also New York City).-- Just James 21:08, 26 October 2006 (GMT+10:00)
They can't be listed as Palestine as there is no such thing. I would say they can't be listed as Israel either because Israel has not formally annexed them. I think for the time being they need to be listed separately. Valley2city 18:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I think West Bank and Gaza should not be separated but rather be with the Israeli section (but clearly marked "disputed). Wouldn't this minimise ambiguity? -- DandanxD 15:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
am deleting it as there is no external reference i can find. also done by anon IP. -- ti 06:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I added Tarragona and Girona to the list, I used wikipedia as source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iru9k ( talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
La Crosse, WI is sister cities with:
Epinal, France; Dubna, Russia; Friedberg, Germany; Luoyang, China; Forde, Norway and Bantry, Ireland.
Source: http://www.cityoflacrosse.org/index.asp?nid=566
Walla Walla, Washington should be twinned with Wagga Wagga, New South Wales simply on the grounds of assonance, if nothing else. Jhobson1 15:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
This article MUST BE SPLIT UP. I red it the first time now and I find it completely chaotic. There gotta be links for the lists of each single country's town's twin towns. Every country must have his own list of twin towns. Ohterwise is the article completely chaotic [as it now is]... it is really not providing an easy survey.-- Lycantrophe 10:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Could someone provide an aproximate number of pairs? robots? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.60.96.22 ( talk) 03:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I see from trying different wikilinks that Central America and the Caribbean are apparently included in the North America list. In the United States, however, these two regions frequently are not considered part of North America. For the sake of U.S. users, is there a workable name for that list that would make clear that it includes those regions? That way, it doesn't appear that those regions are not covered by the set of lists, yet they would still be broken out in a way that makes sense to the rest of the world. Lawikitejana ( talk) 22:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Rehman( +) 08:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Lists of Twin towns and sister cities → Lists of twin towns and sister cities — In September 2010 user Mauk111 ( talk · contribs) renamed the article with no explanation (added capital "T" letter in "twin" in the title). But there is a bunch of articles with the title "Lists of twin towns and sister cities" (small "t" letter), see: Lists of Twin towns and sister cities#Africa, Lists of Twin towns and sister cities#Africa, etc. So, wiki admins, I ask you to rename this article back according to the standard name for "lists about twin towns and sister cities". 85.141.134.18 ( talk) 15:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)