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If this article is only going to cover tornadoes in North America, shouldn't that fact be reflected in the title of the article? As recent events have shown, NAm does not have a monopoly on the things! Loganberry ( Talk) 12:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Autumn outbreaks are not as rare as most people think, and certainly not nearly as the media portrays. November in particular has a history of many major outbreaks; it's just not an annual thing for big outbreaks unlike spring usually is consistent in producing. Both transition seasons are times of increased occurrence (temperature differences increase over the northern hemisphere, increasing jet stream strength and thus number of strong dynamic systems with lots of strong wind shear hitting what are still a decent number of warm, moist, sufficiently unstable air masses), and tornado frequency plotted throughout the year is indeed bimodal. The early spring and late fall systems tend to be very dynamic and further east in the MS-OH-TN Valleys/Southeast region rather than the popularly conceived "tornado alley" of the Great Plains (the Iowa outbreak is more rare in that respect). These areas see most of their tornado counts in these large and less annually consistent outbreaks. The number of outbreaks this year is somewhat unusual, but there have been other years with multiple November outbreaks as well. As I know there are a lot of tropical cyclone enthusiasts, one thing that has contributed to this November's volatility is the same thing that contributed to hurricane strength in the Gulf of Mexico, water temperatures are still above normal.
Anyway, I, myself, prefer doing the majority of the content of the articles after time allows a better idea of what actually transpired (for a more encyclopedic write-up; and I'm also generally busy before/during/after events). Kudos to those that maintain stuff in a more news-like fashion; though there are some potential issues, such as unconfirmed reports will have to be cleaned up in time, that's not very encyclopedic --but fine in the preliminary/early stages when it's a current event. We will also not want to load the list with every event that comes along, only those that are sufficiently significant and rare (the list will always be somewhat arbitrary but we can minimize that). I'd like to improve the event pages significantly and am willing to collaborate with others. I can provide a lot of resources of information. The info box introduced with the Evansville outbreak and now several other articles that was borrowed from the tropical cyclone project is a very good step; and it's good to go through each significant tornado of an event, though I think it needs some cleanup or organization in how its presented. Some kind of standardization like for tropical cyclones would be a good thing as well. I've improved some articles already myself, but have limited time, so haven't finished any of them, or even started on many. Evolauxia 07:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The above ideas are all excellent; as time permits I plan on revising my own contributions, as an attempt at standardizing things.
I think overloading the list would be an easy mistake, and would make the list incomprehensible as a practical reference tool quickly.
I do have specific rationale behind my own contributions: my own research into varied outbreaks and events focuses almost exclusively on the East (U.S.) Coast and Southeast, specifically due to the size and severity of some outbreaks in the region, which are generally not well-documented, even in the recent past. This lack of documentation does present some research challenges; the data that I've used to assemble articles is from raw NCDC statistical data, which is public domain material, but also requires some translation. Due to the relative lack of other info, the climatology of outbreaks on the East Coast and Southeast is less understood (certain outbreaks in the region, like the 1988 Raleigh NC outbreak or the 1996 Petersburg VA outbreak, deviate somewhat from the climatological outbreak norms observed in Tornado Alley); a detailed survey of major outbreaks in the region serves both as a tool to increase awareness in the region, and as a place to conveniently assemble summarized case histories/articles that may be consulted or enhanced, as research needs demand.
A similar rationale would underlie significant outbreaks elsewhere in the world - as forecasting and reporting abilities improve elsewhere, certain other 'Tornado Alleys' (Bangladesh, but also parts of China, Australia and Argentina) may be better understood, and the differences and similarities in their climatology may be noted.
I've posted a work-in-progress using tables and additional info. I have to finish some events like the complex outbreak sequence of May 1917 and various post 1950 entries. Right now I have the location field set up as regions rather than states, partly because for older events especially, not all tornadoes are counted, and listing just states might be misleading. But noting that caveat, the regions could certainly be changed to the more specific states affected, though that would be a long list in some cases. Also, I've kept the article subdivided into sections by time period with multiple tables so one can click on the period of interest in the TOC. We could combine them all into a single table, in which case we would want to color code by period. If we kept separate tables, we could color code events or cells for location, intensity (highest f-rating?), death toll, etc. Only significant tornadoes are available before 1950, those could be listed, noting that only significant and not all tornadoes are listed.
Any suggestions for change or additions are much welcomed. Please don't add tornado, death, or injury counts to the listing article unless your direct source is the Tornado Project or Storm Data, for consistency I'm using those databases and will finish out the listing myself. Does anyone think we should retain the listing of just events with articles somewhere? Lastly, a suggestion was made to write articles with an annual tornado summary, I think either an annual or perhaps decadal global summary is a good idea. The tropical cyclones project's seasonal summaries are a good starting place for ideas. Evolauxia 16:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to create a chart, intended to show details of individual tornadoes as part of a larger outbreak. (Main tornadoes in an outbreak with a large section should be linked below)
F# | Location | County | Time (UTC) | Path length | Damage | |
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{state/country} | ||||||
F1 | Anytown | Unknown | 0000 | 5 miles (8 km) |
Several barns were destroyed and one home was damaged. No injuries reported. | |
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Not only should it be used on tornado outbreak pages, but it can also be used on hurricane pages for tornado outbreaks within hurricanes (starting in 2006 + past storms if information is found).
CrazyC83 03:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I've proposed the tornado project as a subproject of Meteorology and Weather Events - the proposal page is User:CrazyC83/Meteorology and the official information page is Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Meteorology_and_Weather_Events. CrazyC83 21:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Current lists are getting very crowded, due to more and more outbreaks (esp. non-US ones) getting added. Whilst this is very good, it also makes page difficult to read. I propose separate listings for North American and Rest-of-the-world tornadic events. It makes the page more readable.-- Mikoyan21 11:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Is Mid-Mississippi Valley Tornado Outbreak of March 1890 the official name of this tornado? Since it took place around Louisville, Kentucky, wouldn't this be more precisely called Ohio Valley Tornado Outbreak of March 1890? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There are no official names (such as hurricanes have), though some events have widely recognized names (e.g. Super Outbreak). That is a minority of events, however, so naming is very arbitrary. For this event, Louisville was by far where the most significant effects were, though tornadoes occurred across a wide area. Labeling an outbreak for the area with the most significant damage and casualties, when damage is concentrated in that area and otherwise comparatively sparse, is a good idea as long as "outbreak" is in the name. It could be called "Louisville Tornado Outbreak of 1890". Some events do have multiple common names like the “Red River Valley Tornado Outbreak” which is also known as the “Wichita Falls Tornado Outbreak” or “Terrible Tuesday” (the latter is less known now). In that case there were other major tornadoes. Evolauxia 16:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
To make the main page less empty, I was thinking we could add tables (as templates for use in other articles) for the 10 deadliest tornadoes in each category, and put these on this main page, with the link to each main page. These tables could be like the many made for the Tropical cyclone project, such as Template:Most intense Atlantic hurricanes. In fact, I'm going to start on that right now. Once I'm finished we can decide if we want to put them on the main page there. - Runningonbrains 01:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Sirlinksalot Tornado Links has a large collection of links to various tornadoes sites, and if you go to "News Articles about Tornadoes" has links to many, many news articles about tornado events around the globe. Evolauxia 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
A few years ago, I did a research paper on this event, which was turned into a magazine article that was never published. I decided to create a new article here on the Wiki about this event. Moreover, I plan on adding additional information and graphics to this page in the future. This article came out of an extensive research project that I did on the 1965 Palm Sunday outbreak, which affected the area I was born in.
Currently, I am doing some rather intensive research on another tornado outbreak that occurred here in Michigan back in 1917. Apparently, the Michigan Dept. of Agriculture, in a report that detailed this event, concluded that a tornado in our state traveled along the ground at 130 km/h (80 mph) between two communities. If so, this would beat the old record set by the Tri-State tornado of 1925. I will post that article here in the future. USRoute66 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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If this article is only going to cover tornadoes in North America, shouldn't that fact be reflected in the title of the article? As recent events have shown, NAm does not have a monopoly on the things! Loganberry ( Talk) 12:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Autumn outbreaks are not as rare as most people think, and certainly not nearly as the media portrays. November in particular has a history of many major outbreaks; it's just not an annual thing for big outbreaks unlike spring usually is consistent in producing. Both transition seasons are times of increased occurrence (temperature differences increase over the northern hemisphere, increasing jet stream strength and thus number of strong dynamic systems with lots of strong wind shear hitting what are still a decent number of warm, moist, sufficiently unstable air masses), and tornado frequency plotted throughout the year is indeed bimodal. The early spring and late fall systems tend to be very dynamic and further east in the MS-OH-TN Valleys/Southeast region rather than the popularly conceived "tornado alley" of the Great Plains (the Iowa outbreak is more rare in that respect). These areas see most of their tornado counts in these large and less annually consistent outbreaks. The number of outbreaks this year is somewhat unusual, but there have been other years with multiple November outbreaks as well. As I know there are a lot of tropical cyclone enthusiasts, one thing that has contributed to this November's volatility is the same thing that contributed to hurricane strength in the Gulf of Mexico, water temperatures are still above normal.
Anyway, I, myself, prefer doing the majority of the content of the articles after time allows a better idea of what actually transpired (for a more encyclopedic write-up; and I'm also generally busy before/during/after events). Kudos to those that maintain stuff in a more news-like fashion; though there are some potential issues, such as unconfirmed reports will have to be cleaned up in time, that's not very encyclopedic --but fine in the preliminary/early stages when it's a current event. We will also not want to load the list with every event that comes along, only those that are sufficiently significant and rare (the list will always be somewhat arbitrary but we can minimize that). I'd like to improve the event pages significantly and am willing to collaborate with others. I can provide a lot of resources of information. The info box introduced with the Evansville outbreak and now several other articles that was borrowed from the tropical cyclone project is a very good step; and it's good to go through each significant tornado of an event, though I think it needs some cleanup or organization in how its presented. Some kind of standardization like for tropical cyclones would be a good thing as well. I've improved some articles already myself, but have limited time, so haven't finished any of them, or even started on many. Evolauxia 07:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The above ideas are all excellent; as time permits I plan on revising my own contributions, as an attempt at standardizing things.
I think overloading the list would be an easy mistake, and would make the list incomprehensible as a practical reference tool quickly.
I do have specific rationale behind my own contributions: my own research into varied outbreaks and events focuses almost exclusively on the East (U.S.) Coast and Southeast, specifically due to the size and severity of some outbreaks in the region, which are generally not well-documented, even in the recent past. This lack of documentation does present some research challenges; the data that I've used to assemble articles is from raw NCDC statistical data, which is public domain material, but also requires some translation. Due to the relative lack of other info, the climatology of outbreaks on the East Coast and Southeast is less understood (certain outbreaks in the region, like the 1988 Raleigh NC outbreak or the 1996 Petersburg VA outbreak, deviate somewhat from the climatological outbreak norms observed in Tornado Alley); a detailed survey of major outbreaks in the region serves both as a tool to increase awareness in the region, and as a place to conveniently assemble summarized case histories/articles that may be consulted or enhanced, as research needs demand.
A similar rationale would underlie significant outbreaks elsewhere in the world - as forecasting and reporting abilities improve elsewhere, certain other 'Tornado Alleys' (Bangladesh, but also parts of China, Australia and Argentina) may be better understood, and the differences and similarities in their climatology may be noted.
I've posted a work-in-progress using tables and additional info. I have to finish some events like the complex outbreak sequence of May 1917 and various post 1950 entries. Right now I have the location field set up as regions rather than states, partly because for older events especially, not all tornadoes are counted, and listing just states might be misleading. But noting that caveat, the regions could certainly be changed to the more specific states affected, though that would be a long list in some cases. Also, I've kept the article subdivided into sections by time period with multiple tables so one can click on the period of interest in the TOC. We could combine them all into a single table, in which case we would want to color code by period. If we kept separate tables, we could color code events or cells for location, intensity (highest f-rating?), death toll, etc. Only significant tornadoes are available before 1950, those could be listed, noting that only significant and not all tornadoes are listed.
Any suggestions for change or additions are much welcomed. Please don't add tornado, death, or injury counts to the listing article unless your direct source is the Tornado Project or Storm Data, for consistency I'm using those databases and will finish out the listing myself. Does anyone think we should retain the listing of just events with articles somewhere? Lastly, a suggestion was made to write articles with an annual tornado summary, I think either an annual or perhaps decadal global summary is a good idea. The tropical cyclones project's seasonal summaries are a good starting place for ideas. Evolauxia 16:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to create a chart, intended to show details of individual tornadoes as part of a larger outbreak. (Main tornadoes in an outbreak with a large section should be linked below)
F# | Location | County | Time (UTC) | Path length | Damage | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
{state/country} | ||||||
F1 | Anytown | Unknown | 0000 | 5 miles (8 km) |
Several barns were destroyed and one home was damaged. No injuries reported. | |
As verified by ![]() |
Not only should it be used on tornado outbreak pages, but it can also be used on hurricane pages for tornado outbreaks within hurricanes (starting in 2006 + past storms if information is found).
CrazyC83 03:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I've proposed the tornado project as a subproject of Meteorology and Weather Events - the proposal page is User:CrazyC83/Meteorology and the official information page is Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Meteorology_and_Weather_Events. CrazyC83 21:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Current lists are getting very crowded, due to more and more outbreaks (esp. non-US ones) getting added. Whilst this is very good, it also makes page difficult to read. I propose separate listings for North American and Rest-of-the-world tornadic events. It makes the page more readable.-- Mikoyan21 11:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Is Mid-Mississippi Valley Tornado Outbreak of March 1890 the official name of this tornado? Since it took place around Louisville, Kentucky, wouldn't this be more precisely called Ohio Valley Tornado Outbreak of March 1890? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There are no official names (such as hurricanes have), though some events have widely recognized names (e.g. Super Outbreak). That is a minority of events, however, so naming is very arbitrary. For this event, Louisville was by far where the most significant effects were, though tornadoes occurred across a wide area. Labeling an outbreak for the area with the most significant damage and casualties, when damage is concentrated in that area and otherwise comparatively sparse, is a good idea as long as "outbreak" is in the name. It could be called "Louisville Tornado Outbreak of 1890". Some events do have multiple common names like the “Red River Valley Tornado Outbreak” which is also known as the “Wichita Falls Tornado Outbreak” or “Terrible Tuesday” (the latter is less known now). In that case there were other major tornadoes. Evolauxia 16:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
To make the main page less empty, I was thinking we could add tables (as templates for use in other articles) for the 10 deadliest tornadoes in each category, and put these on this main page, with the link to each main page. These tables could be like the many made for the Tropical cyclone project, such as Template:Most intense Atlantic hurricanes. In fact, I'm going to start on that right now. Once I'm finished we can decide if we want to put them on the main page there. - Runningonbrains 01:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Sirlinksalot Tornado Links has a large collection of links to various tornadoes sites, and if you go to "News Articles about Tornadoes" has links to many, many news articles about tornado events around the globe. Evolauxia 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
A few years ago, I did a research paper on this event, which was turned into a magazine article that was never published. I decided to create a new article here on the Wiki about this event. Moreover, I plan on adding additional information and graphics to this page in the future. This article came out of an extensive research project that I did on the 1965 Palm Sunday outbreak, which affected the area I was born in.
Currently, I am doing some rather intensive research on another tornado outbreak that occurred here in Michigan back in 1917. Apparently, the Michigan Dept. of Agriculture, in a report that detailed this event, concluded that a tornado in our state traveled along the ground at 130 km/h (80 mph) between two communities. If so, this would beat the old record set by the Tri-State tornado of 1925. I will post that article here in the future. USRoute66 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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