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After someone writes a solid biography, then move it to the famous page.
And, make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell why, if you think someone else is wrong, remove it (with your own explanation but adhering to these guidelines).
To see the FAMOUS CANADIANS page (and all other countries too) be something that makes new, curious, visitors from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Korea, etc. etc. stop, look and listen AND come back. In simple words, an advertisement. Limiting the categories to the top three of four hockey players, baseball, etc. is a marketing concept that is designed to create interest. Endless names and lists turn people off. List 20 hockey players and which one does the visitor from Nigeria choose? List the top 3 and it does not matter.
The famous France page is pretty good and attracts a huge following. But, fill the page with fringe authors and a lot of newcomers will turn away and never come back out of pure disgust at the waste of time. Canucks don?t have France?s long history but they still have interesting knowledge to impart. American liberals like Ralph Nader and Michael Moore think Canada is the greatest place on earth but then far righties like Supreme Court nominee (failed) Robert Bork thinks Canada is the cat?s meow politically and judicially. Hopefully, after some new visitor reads about a Canadian scientist or a baseball player, or even Big Ben, who is a horse not a clock, will leave the Wikipedia site with several things:
1) New or expanded knowledge about Canada, Canadians, their values, and their beliefs; 2) A tiny seed planted towards the developing of a positive attitude towards others; 3) Simple enjoyment and a slight smile about the behaviour of Queen Juliana?s ?Canadianized? kids after they returned from Ottawa to the Netherlands; 4) A desire to return to Wikipedia; 5) A beginning of a desire to maybe do an article or even so bold as to create a List of Famous Syrians (I used Syria because the President has said he is addicted to the web.); 6) A germination that all Americans (I am dual citizenship folks) are not Yahoos, not self-centered, not anti anybody, and some are willing to admit it is time to look outward and understand others. Go Bill Maher! (The education system worldwide teaches kids almost nothing about the rest of the world. Canadians biggest complaint is not that Americans know zip about Canada, it is that Americans don?t want to know zip about Canada. But Canadians don?t want to know zip about Mexico except for the name of a resort beach in January. Note the Famous Canadians talk page snide comment of some basketball statistic on Steve Nash by an American who obviously follows the NBA. I attempted to explain Nash's reason for being a famous Canadian by using the Matt Stairs example.) 7) A growing curiosity and involvement that will, through well written ?famous? people articles, make a visitor want to look at the lengthy sub list and learn more about Canada and with trust in the NPOV of articles will want to read other pages about other nations and the links that can take then to thousands of works of knowledge.
I'd like to take issue with whoever moved the Criminals down. Who do you think you are? Don't you realize the headings are in alphabetical order?
I hope the "clique" is satisfied. You have created the mess I warned about. Now, the WWF wrestlers (who in fact is incorporated as an entertainment company not sports) are now ion the FAMOUS sports list of Canadians and several hockery players have been added. Within a short time every Canuchk who ever played Junion A, AHL, or the NHL will show up. The "FAMOUS CANADIANS" list is now so long and so worthless (as I warned and your little group crapped on) that no one will bother anymore. Thanks. It is really great to see the collective genius gathered here. Truly sad, to see people who claim to be any particular citizenship that suits their need at any moment and espouse things for which they in fact have no proven qualifications of any kind other than an ability to type on a computer screen to profess to be anyone or anything. Now that you have in fact insulted Canadians with your IMPOSED definition of how YOUR Wikipedia should be run, are you proud of your fine work? Suggest you have created a monster, because the disease your limited intellect has created will soon spread to the U.S., Dutch, French, and other pages. Suggest your abilities that appear to be limited to copy and paste from Google, be used elsewhere. Wikipedia is now being visited and scrutinized by someone from a major Canadian newspaper. It will indeed be interesting to see their article. Thanks for destroying a page for a Conuntry you know nothing about. I look forward to your screwing up the Dutch page, another country you know nothing about. .....DW
Eclecticetcetc: Don't discrimate against these other authors because that contradicts the policy IMPOSED against my pleas.
The word famous has several synonyms: renowned, celebrated, noted, notorious, distinguished, eminent, illustrious (see Wikipedia:Definition of famous). Perhaps what DW and Jeronimon have been discussing needs some clarified criteria:
Let's discuss what we each mean by "famous". -- Ed Poor
FIRST: The Wiki operators know for fact that Elliot and I are not one and the same. Do not insult me further with UNFOUNDED charges and, I can guaratee you, I am not going to be blocked out. Second, I never complained (if you (Larry Sanger and others) took the time to read) about the quality other than an accusation of laziness. My BEEF was, is, etc. that without a STANDARD for who is famous (or going the idiot route of "changing the name of the page") then the pages TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY loses its value. And, given that I for one believe this site, beyond the benefits derived from being sponsored by a psychological assessment group, can be worthwhile: a one-stop shopping point for an amazing amount of info (provided the info input comes from Kalula Balula (et al) in Tangiers etc.etc. who actually knows what is relevant knowledge worth telling the world about. THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR YOU TO EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS AS CLICKED ON GOOGLE OF HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD IS. IT IS A PLACE FOR THEM TO TELL US. (I?m sure you still won?t get it.) YOU, not me, decided to open the famous Canadian page to every one who ever lived. Like me or not folks, I created one hell of a lot of well thought out and valuable articles for which I do not need to list on a Wiki resume and espouse my greatness (note, I even revealed the Dutch Prince's bribe taking that someone originally ?forgot? that they prefer to not air in public (aka the Dutch Watergate) because I don't believe in hiding reality or creating propaganda....makes a better world and fosters understanding etcetcetc. MY DAMN GOOD Famous Canadians page had learning (that I think is the encyclopedia goal, isn't it?) value. I am very interested in the Famous French and from its popularity, I?m sure as hell not the only one. Will be very interested in the Mozambique page and its TRULY and LEGITIMATELY famous citizens so that I can LEARN. (From THEM, not the wiz of Wisconsin.)
What is missing (boy, here comes G.W's friends on the right) is a little business savvy and marketing instincts. (A wiki problem that may soon result in its shutdown.) May God bless all those who claim to be dear professors of philosophy/math/toilet paper and the like, but all the damn Wiki articles in the world aren't worth dick, if only your tiny group shows up. Sorry, but GWO? In line with your last remark, there is no doubt that this stuff is way over your head. There are (May, 2002) 3.4 billion people with access to the Internet. Make an effort to present a Wikipedia that has value (AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A MUSIC BAND STARTED UP LAST WEEK, or AN AUTHOR SELF PUBLISHED BY IUNIVERSE ETC. Let me repeat: Famous pages are good, they will in fact attract users and readers. But must be limited to Famous. I gave a solution before but was RUDELY shouted down by your clique members. This was in fact, as Ortolan88 said, a MODEL PAGE that I set up. I suggested a very limited number of famous in the various category lists with a sub list like what was in the authors. AND, I said I would use my experience and considerable (repeat considerable) knowledge of Canada to place these names but if anyone didn?t agree with me, I said to move the name (like the incredible world wide superstar, Time/Newsweek/People/Paris Match cover band the absolutely amazing, fantastic, brilliant, something something TANYAS) from the sub list to the FAMOUS PAGE list but put a note as to why you think they belong. THAT ladies/gentlemen solves the problem. But, I was put down, attacked and told no, no, famous is a blah blah (where is Jeronimo with his morons when really needed) So, you have a nightmare mess that no one will bother with. AND, there were 3-4 hockey players on the list. I can guarantee you, that before long every one in Canada will be listed on a page three miles long. All Canada has is good beer and great hockey. Sadly, I hate beer and ?. |DW
I just gave you the solution: READ!
"MY DAMN GOOD Famous Canadians page". When did it become yours? The history shows that you first posted here on Sept. 7, a full six months after the earliest date. Even though I have the earliest credit in the history, even then I was amending what someone else had started.
I admit having made an ironic statement about having a green light to include almost anybody, but even that would imply some criterion for including such names. What I removed had nothing to do with any specific person or prize. It is a long list which already appears at List of Canadian writers. It is clear that it was put there out of vindictiveness rather than with any intent to improve the article. You have already stated your intent to sabotage this and several other articles, so I feel confident that I was reverting vandalism. Eclecticology
-- Ed Poor
Thank you Ed Poor. Her's the deal. We go back (and I will take it there) to where we were on the day Ortolan88 made the mistake of this a model page. I and I alone (boy some egos are really gonna hurt now) will set it up with "Famous Canadians". (If another knowledgeable Canuck wants the task instead of me, please speak up.) That is, par example, en anglais, at most 5-6 hockey players who are national icons.
Same for baseball etc., authors etc. Then, if antyone wishes to add to the sub list, God bless and welcome. If you wish to add to the famous list or move from the sublist, please do but with a note containg a brief explanation as to why you think they belong there. Simple, isn't it? ...DW
Yep, here come the egos and idiuots removing more names again imposing THEIR will in contradiction of previous statements THEY accepted. Because you do not accept the dictionary definition, my intellect certainly is not sufficient to write a criteria to meet your needs. Therefore, forget it. We can revert to continual adding and deleting. And, trust me, I will stick it out.
Oh, for the person labeling themselves as AxelBoldt and seeking much personal attention on his user page? My aunt (my spouses relative) would love to hear from an ?Expert? on Holland, particularly one with such wisdom as you profess. She is married to a Drost', also spelled Droste, and is working on the family history. They go home to the Netherlands every few years and have deep and lasting love for Queen Juliana, like ALL their family there, being the kind of people who understand the pain of the Nazis and the religious intolerance of 1963. And yes, she reminded me to say thanks to the people of Apeldoorn, in particular the school children for taking care of the war graves for the Canadians who died to liberate the Dutch. And uncle Pieter said he remembers the ENTIRE country's shock at learning Princess Irene had converted to Catholicm ONLY months after it happened when a photo appeared of her on knees at mass in the ROYAL CHURCH of JERONIMO in MADRID. And, oh yes, at the same day, American blacks were still riding on the back of the bus. AxelBoldt, please e-mail her at: drost-fh@onlink.net ....DW
Just for the record: Conversion to Catholicism by a member of the Dutch Royal Family required the approval of the Dutch "government". Princess Irene was stripped of her title and she and her children stripped of any claim to the throne. That ban, because she converted to Catholicsm, remains in effect to this day. No one, agreeing with such policies (aslthough you do approve of labelling entire nations as morons, I do not) but it is a fact. ...DW
And, I forgot to add, Princess Irene's conversion was kept hidden from the Dutch people and was in fact a hated Church because of its symbolism. For someone of your age, you would not even be aware of the "Pope in the White House" cries from Protestant all over the U.S.A. in the 1960 election....Dw
The point is that this is a screwed up page and another fascist named Eclecticidiot has started agreeing with me but is imposing his will on what you and others told me not to do. In Eclecticwhatever's pea brain, The "Tanyas" are famous but a Giller Prize winner is not. Guess I better post the HillBilly Six on the U.S. page and delete a Pulitzer winner. The National Post is gonna have a field day with this insult to Canadians. I really do have a hard time toolerating fools. Or, possibly it could be what USA today referred to when it said Al Quida would use the Internet to create conflict...DW
What aliases?? I certainly do not want to drive Jeronimo away. I believe in freedom, more than most who attacked me and all MORON AMERICANS on these pages. (Perhaps I should post some of the intimidation and derogative, snide, elitist remarks against others (not against me) made by Zoe's qualified person. I just want Jeronimo to not issue racist statement or to make false accusations against me. And, when he says I'm not Dutch one day, then the next says he is, I get confused as to what is reality. Confused too, when certain types of people are famous one day but not the next. Any viewer will be confused by such inconsistencies. Unfortunately, ignorance is bliss so all one can do is fix articles posted that are wrong or outright false....DW
There are now two people, neither of which claims to be Canadians, who have decided that the Governor-General's very respected and famous author husband, John Ralston Saul, who at this moment is on national television standing next to HM Queen Elizabeth II of England, is not a famous Canadian and repeatly removes him and a Giller Prize winner from the famous page, but knowingly and deliberately leaves a band that few people in Canada, never mind anywhere else except maybe free BBC interviews, has heard of. Question? Why is this contradiction tolerated by those others who were so quick to criticize me? Double standard because I'm not part of your clique? Or, because you simply are unable to amit you are wrong. I can keep changing it and will get help to make sure Wikipedia is not butchered and controlled by people with a narrow point of view and intolerance....DW
P.S.: Happy Thanksgiving Day.
I'm not going to repeat stuff 100 times. Read and digest it for yourself. However, I just realized you are in trouble with some from the clique when they return because you deleted some of their stuff. Now, show some courage and move the average musicians to the list of musicians so those that are famous Canadian musicians aren't insulted...DW
Deleting the very FAMOUS hockey players like Dave Keon, Jean Belliveau etc. that were listed by me, is facist intolerance and discrimination. I shall reinstate them along with adding numerous other Canadian hockey players who a famous and the famous author list. If anyone discriminates against me then I will already propose they and all of their aliases be banned....DW
Zoe, E, just because DW's an asshole, that doesn't make him necessarily wrong. Both of you have deleted real, useful information that he has contributed here, and called it "vandalism". You both should know better. For example, one of DW's lists of authors begins:
This was changed to remove Acorn entirely and remove the extra info on Atwood. It is our custom here on Wikipedia that lists of people may contain a short blurb about them. The years are probably extraneous, but something like "published 18 volumes", or the titles of one or two most famous works, is entirely appropriate and useful. Such short blurbs serve to further identify the person in question to the reader and give brief info to people who may not want to follow up with the full article. If you choose to leave a certain name here, don't delete the blurbs (but you can edit them of course).
That said, DW, we also have a strong policy here against "data dumping"; i.e., don't dump long lists of names here just because they might qualify. Put some thought into what might make this a more interesting and useful article, and only include those wbout whom there is something interesting to say. Especially where there are detailed sublists, including a long list here is pointless and distracting. "Consistency" is NOT a goal of Wikipedia. Well-written articles about interesting topics is. That means exercising some editorial judgment, and letting others here exercise some as well. Robots can copy names; that doesn't make a good article.
For example, there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist. This is a matter of editorial judgment, and there can be disagreements about that. You will behave like an adult and discuss those judgments with others here or you will be blocked. It's a simple as that--grow up or leave. -- LDC
First, the proof is in the pudding that a properly done Wikipedia is worthwhile. Jean Beliveau is one of the most revered of all Canadians. Bar none. He was Captain of the most successful Montreal Canadians teams pof the 50s and 60s, won TEN, count em' folks, ten Stanley Cups, was given the Order of Canada Award, offered the position of Governor-General of Canada] by Prime Minister Mulroney but declined because his daughter was dying of cancer. He is adored in Canada as a gentlememan of the highest order. Letting the world, including Americans) learn about Beliveau, in my humble opinion is a damn good thing...DW
Second: This is exactly what I have been defending: Dumping Data, and making claims that certain "friends" or a particular band or hockey player that someone likes should be listed as a famous Canadian. What has been inserted here (after I set the page up and Ortolan88 called it a model page) was opportunistic and had no place on this page. I did not say any article should be banded in acvcordance with what you said: exercising some editorial judgment. However, read what transpired. I was informerd I had no right to exercise some editorial judgment. even after I gave detailed explanations and pointed out the quality and quantity of my articles. (Which no one has been able to criticize.) But, in the name of democracy, I went a step further and said: if you disagree, then add the personm to the "Famous" list but put a footnote for your reasoning. For that too, I was attacked, but when I added some hockey players or some of the most famous authors in Canada, I was deleted. That is a contradiction of these peoples own statements. And no, you will not block me because you need to asses facts first and weigh all the consequences for the validity of your project and its actions first. The facts will show I am correct, have had racist retorts directed at me because in fact and in law, I have followed what you have so clearly stated as Wikipedia policy. I am a valued contributor. In fact, if you have a panel to assess right from wrong, I welcome it...DW
P.S. Making fun of someone's dsylexia and labeling all Americans as morons, is not my definition of a discussion....DW
P.S.S. You said: For example, there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist. If ypou read this rather lengthy and stressfgul discussion, I have been saying EXACTLY what you said but was attacked and told I was wrong. Either you are right or they are. Please have your "arbitrators" advise if you or they should be followed because every time I followed your' advise, my entry was deleted, reversed, etc. ...DW
Yes, I understand that you have campaigned for limiting the list here, and that's good (though your recent changes have been data dumps, so I'm a bit confused). I've tried to follow the threads here, and it's not easy, but a few things are quite clear: (1) You are personally rather abrasive and rude. That in itself is not so bad--we all can be from time to time; you just seem better at it than most. (2) Some people have overreacted to your rudeness and thrown out similar rhetoric. That too is understandable, if regrettable. (3) You have, in reaction to them, only grown even more rude, and evasive, and arrogant--and worst of all, dismissive. You need to work on that; at some point, people have to take the high road and be reasonable even in the face of others' rudeness, and go out of your way to understand the concerns of others and show them some respect even if you do happen to think they're idiots. That's how you gain credibility here. Another way to gain credibility here would be to have a consistent pseudonym and log in with it. Always editing under an anonymous IP is going to lose you some arguments; that's just the way it is, and always will be. Having credibility here is valuable; for one thing, it gains you presumptive deference in disputes. If I don't have time to read through every little post of some argument on a talk page, I just look to see what side of an argument Mav is on; or Axel, or Larry, or any of the other people I have come to know and respect here. I tend to assume they're right until proven otherwise (and that doesn't happen too often). -- LDC
DW, you have some good points. However, they tend to get lost in the mess of threads and insults. Why be abusive to people who simply disagree with you? It makes it difficult for people to focus on encyclopedia work when they have to sift through several screens of flames. Also, don't worry about this page being insulting to Canadians. I am one, and I'm not insulted. -- Stephen Gilbert 01:17 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
I am going to be very nice (for as long as humanly possible). Tomorrow I plan to change the sub-list sports page title to something a little below "Famous". I added Bronco Horvath, who really is not famous (Gretzky is) but who in fact tied Bobby Hull for the NHL scoring championship and was an all-star player. However, as compared to my pet peeve, the "Tanyas", Bronco Horvath is a million times more famous than them, at least in Boston or amongst baby boomer NHL fans. If I am wrong with my approach, I will go away from Wikipedia because establishing and contributing to a page(s) that in fact provides no real value under the heading ?Famous?, would for me the same thing as participating in fraud.
It seems to me a sub-page can be where those who love Dave Keon or Dave Shultz from the big bad Flyers, or Mark Messier etc. can put him here and hopefully do an article. If I had control of Wikipedia, a name posted would automatically disappear after a fixed length of time if no reasonably written article had been done. Unfortunately, that requires money for a monitor, OR, wait a minute -- volunteers! This would eliminate the gosh, Davy Keon was the greatest keyboarders to the page who then obviously don't think he was so great that they won?t take the time to write a valuable article. Playing the psychological game, I did bios on Bobby Orr etc. but deliberately did not do Gordie Howe who is ranked in the SI top three EVER of hockey. I was curious to see how long it would take before someone from prior generations so deserved of an article was done.
So, I will edit all of the headings (there are far too many ?Famous Actors etc? with no article done who should be on a sub-list.) and I shall edit almost exactly as per the words of LDC who said:
I will add Beliveau to this sub list, but after I (or maybe someone else) writes a solid biography, then I/they will move it to the famous page. And, because I believe that Wikipedia has great potential, I will make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell you why. If you think I?m (or someone else is wrong), remove it with your own explanation but adhering to LDC?s guidelines.
I will repeat my objectives: It is my desire to see the ?FAMOUS CANADIANS? page (and all other countries too) be something that makes new, curious, visitors from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Korea, etc. etc. stop, look and listen AND come back. In simple words, an advertisement. Limiting the categories to the top three of four hockey players, baseball, etc. is a marketing concept that is designed to create interest. Endless names and lists turn people off. List 20 hockey players and which one does the visitor from Nigeria choose? List the top 3 and it does not matter.
The famous France page is pretty good and attracts a huge following. But, fill the page with ?fringe? authors and a lot of newcomers will turn away and never come back out of pure disgust at the waste of time. Canucks don?t have France?s long history but they still have interesting knowledge to impart. American liberals like Ralph Nader and Michael Moore think Canada is the greatest place on earth but then far righties like Supreme Court nominee (failed) Robert Bork thinks Canada is the cat?s meow politically and judicially. Hopefully, after some new visitor reads about a Canadian scientist or a baseball player, or even Big Ben, who I would explain is a horse not a clock, will leave the Wikipedia site with several things:
That?s all for now. Thank you, LDC. Common sense rises to the surface once in a while. I hope it lasts?. Amen. DW
(I will only log in for the famous Canuck page. My stuff on an array of other light fluff or heavy s?t, I prefer to do anonymously and don?t care if I?m edited to death so long as someone improves it. And yes Zoë, you do a good job running around Wikifying my articles because my brain and dyslexic mind (that?s an excuse) can?t handle them properly. Your effort is a very valued one, that is why I didn?t go after you too hard. ?.DW
Immediately you are testing me again and it is pure ignorance where your mouth goes before the brain. READ WHAT I AND LDC SAID. PLEASE!!!! I repeat, as you demand, "my proposal" for the umpteenth (and last) time on this page: Follow LDC's guidelines and also, if you think someone should be moved from the sublist to the "Famous" page, then do it but have the good manners and intellect to give a reason. I can assure you that Canadians do not want the "Be Good Tanyas" to be represented to the world on the Internet as their symbol of famous Canadian achievers. Also, I repeat again (gritting her/his teeth), please READ before speaking. LDC gave clear and specific examples of EXACTLY the type of people, naming names, establishing a reasonable basis and precedent for making a judgement. I repeat, I will make changes according to LDC's guidelines. If you think he is wrong, take it up with him, because I am tired of trying to bring a little professionalism and legitimacy to this page's presentation. Also, if you are from Eindhoven, and Philips has been in my portfolio before you were born, then, unless you are Canadian you are not qualified to put forth to the rest of the world who should represent Canada as their famous sons and daughters. Exception, might be a scholar with a Masters in Canadian Studies. That does not mean non-Canadians should not add articles to the sublist are make "cooperative" suggestions.
Just as I am not qualified to say who should represent the Netherlands sas their famous achievers. Example, I added painter, Jan Steen and the Dutch Premier who collaborated with the nazis to the Famous Dutch page. But, I will not do an article until I have done thorough research and if a Dutch person or painting scholar etc. puts Steen on a sublist, I will gladly accept their logic because there are only about four people on the entire planet who are qualified to assess the impact of various painters worldwide. Likewise, any name with no article I put up can be deleted. Example: I did the article on Diane de Poitiers. But I sure as hell didn't run to list her as a Famous French person. Voltaire, Rousseau, Napoleon are famous. Does anyone think that a version of the "Be Good Tanyas" in France should be on the same "Famous French" page as Napoleon?
Give me a break, and stop insulting my limited intellect. Too, my spouse's uncle thinks the new Amsterdam band called the "Smoking Tulip Kings" are really, really, famous. They were interviewed on RNI and have made a record and appeared in at least two clubs! Should I not proceed to clutter up your Famous Dutch page with this famous band? And there are many more "famous" I and plenty of others could add to the Famous Dutch page. If you go that route you (I'm repeating again) you have a worthless list of mainly minor personalities that is presented to the world as "Famous Dutch." Shit, I know a Dutch person who is really famous because of his/her contributions to an incredibly great internet encyclopedia project which is of as much importance to him/her, me, and others, as the "Be Good Tanyas" is to the world of music. (I sure hope you are starting to get this. Maybe its a language barrier, because all the reasoning, logic, strategy, values, etc. has been fully explained on this page several times. No endless lists means exactly what LDC said. The Famous people pages for Canada or Cuba should be the representatives of their country to the world. One more and final time: I will abide by LDC's guidelines. ....DW
Here we go again. The idiocy has started already. The proud fascist, Jeronimo, thinks I owe him an explanation for having a brain larger than a flea. Eclecticology has decided there are no Famous Canadian authors. That is vandalism....DW
Dear Ed Poor: It is only idiots who vandalize pages and only facists who choose an alias that insults Dutch senior citizens and it is absolutely fascist to label all Americans as "MORONS" which I note you have not condemned. Plus, if LDC's proposals were not valid to Jeronimo or Electiolllyaie, say so in the discussion rather than vandalize the page and attack someone....DW
I created a Wikipedia:Plan to edit famous Canadians article page, (which is now this page, so i removed the links. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 02:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)) and I invite people to move discussion on improving the article there. There's room to sign up, and I spent nearly a quarter of an hour setting up an intial plan, based heavily on DW's long comment above. Jeronimo, DW, and interested others: let's see if we can do for Canada what we did for the whole world. -- Ed Poor
That's it for now, I'll be back later. Jeronimo
Jeronimo, you have insisted several times in the discussion above on an "objective criterion" for famousness. The one I proposed you didn't like, and you haven't proposed an alternative one. Apparently, you think the word cannot or should not be used in the absense of an universally agreed-upon objective definition.
But that is not the case. Virtually no word in the English language outside of mathematics has universally agreed-upon objective definitions. Can you define the word "red"? Some things clearly are red, some things clearly are not, and then there are lots of things where people (and proposed definitions) disagree. Where precisely does infrared start? Yet, the concept "red" is eminently useful. Shooting down an article like Red things and their emotional symbolism simply because red is not well-defined would be disingenious. I claim that "famous" is the same as "red". There are some imperfect criteria for famousness, and there are proposed hard definitions which are all not quite satisfactory. But the concept itself is useful. There is definite interest in famous people.
Suppose I sit in Senegal and want to learn about Canada. A page with scores of names, none of which I recognize, doesn't help at all. On the other hand, I would value it if someone else had made an editorial decision to produce a small list of famous Canadians, with one-line descriptions and links to articles. I wouldn't care in the least what criterion or definition they had used for "famousness", since all reasonable criteria will pretty much pick out the same people, except at the fringes, and I'm not interested in the fringes. Just like I'm not interested in the netherworld between infrared and red. AxelBoldt 17:17 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
Jeronimo: To make it worse, you have lied and I for one am tired of it. You said: "But DW decided that the page he made was "finished". Jeronimo, just let it go.... DW (final remark on this overdone issue: Create good pages and in the future newcomers will too. Do things by example. I did and someone called it a "Model Page." Then again, I understand Ortolan88 is one of those American morons. With a little vision, one can learn as well as teach.)
I will admit that I have been less than even-handed when it comes to DW and his alter ego, Elliot, but then, they combined with Helga to drive JKemp off of the 'pedia, and DW/Elliot is now trying to do the same thing to Jeronimo. -- Zoe
Please don't insult me too. I am me, and while I have so far agreed with DW on the issues raised to date it does not mean I am anyone's puppet. And the hosts verified I am not DW on the day I signed in. And people choose to leave this project; it is impossible to drive someone away....Elliot
I can accept LDC's view that a list of the really famous must necessarily be short, and perhaps the development of various sub-lists may help that to happen.
I do not accept that a self-appointed American should be the arbiter of who is a famous Canadian. I accept it even less when that epitome of the "Ugly American" brings shame on his own country, by applying techniques of insult, mockery, bullying distortion and defamation. But that's enough time wasted on DW; perhaps he should leave the decision of who best represents Canadian values to Canadians.
Perhaps we could adopt a strict limit to the number of people listed on each segment of this page, say the top 10 or 20. Beyond that limit adding a new person means removing somebody else. Each entry should also include a line or two about why that person is so important. In the case of a writer, for example, that means more than just giving the titlle of his book(s).
I don't think that Google hits is a very sound basis for determining famous Canadians. It puts too much emphasis on contemporary people who have not yet proved that their fame will be lasting.
I'm restoring three of the names that Gareth deleted from the musicians' list for reasons shown on the list. I would also consider changing the chaice of some others, but will wait until I can back my choices. I would likely remove Bryan Adams and add back Holly Cole. Eclecticology
OK, I put a start for a list as I mentioned above at List of famous Canadians/Temp. It's not complete, as some fields are missing completely, or do not have 10 persons listed. Furthermore, not all are annotated sufficiently, and the linked lists should also be created. Let me know what you think of the idea, and go ahead and try to figure out which persons should and shouldn't be in the top ten.
I'm not sure whether to use the numerical lists or the current bullet lists - this would suggest some kind of order, I think it's better to have the lists alphabetical. Jeronimo
Unlike his MGM partner Louis B. Mayer, who grew up in St. John, NB, Samuel Goldwyn had no significant connection with Canada. If any, he was only passing through on his way between Europe and the United States. I'm removing him from the list. Eclecticology
I've restored Painless Parker. I agree that he may not rank among the most famous of Canadians, but he does belong somewhere. Perhaps even in the category of famous Canadian eccentrics. Eclecticology
I changed the secondary description of Donald Marshall: the other famous court case (besides his wrongful conviction) he was involved with concerned First Nations rights to natural resources (eel fishing specifically). It had nothing to do with racism against aboriginal people.
Secondly, I altered the line for the actor Graham Greene to reflect his correct year of birth and the fact that he's not dead. His name still links to the page for the dead english novelist of the same name, but I'm not sure how to change this. Can someone else fix this?
I noticed that Mark Lepines' dates are listed as (1964-) in this page, whereas in actuality he is dead. It should read (1964-1989). ty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.77.249 ( talk) 04:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
move to talk:list of Canadians
Hi there! I have problems about famous Canadians or notable British Columbians. Who counts as a Canadian? I have added Leslie Cheung in the list of Canadians, but I am not quite comfortable with it. Leslie Cheung had lived in BC for just three years and then returned to Hong Kong after getting a passport, and he is not a rare example. Did I do the right thing? Or should this kind of "non-Canadian" Canadian be removed from the lists? Wshun
I have started a separate List of Canadian Heroes and Heroines since this can cut across the other categories. Edmilne 05:14, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)
I would like to include the Donnelly family, also known as the Black Donnellys. They were the victim of an infamous home invasion and massacre, purportedly the end event of a vicious feud that griped the Ontario community of Lucan. The problem is that this family is more famous collectively than individually and I don't know what to do.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
I don't see a problem with listing The Black Donnellys with a brief explanatory note. They certainly were famous. Sunray 03:09, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
The Black Donnellys are a footnote in Canadian history, and not recognizably famous outside the country. Landroo 02:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a list of fictional characters who are Canadian? Such as Wolverine from X-Men? nkife 07:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I edited the page and when it reloaded, I noticed there was some raw html showing at the top. I don't know if that was there before I edited it, but I certainly didn't do it on purpose. I just scrolled down the edit box and changed an entry...
I don't know how to do reverts, nor do I know what the html should be to fix it. 70.66.9.162 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the broken html which includes the table with the Canada flag and Coat of Arms, which doesn't seem very necessary anyway. If anyone wants it back, then do it with correct html. 70.66.9.162 03:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Political leader? Entertainer? Author? I imagine for most people, especially outside of Canada, it's "entertainer" because of Little Big Man, but he's got a political and cultural stature that doesn't really have any comparisons; but he should definitely be here, somewhere. Skookum1 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there perhaps a more lingually substantial term we can use instead?
There is no reason for all these images here, they should be removed. 74.204.40.46 04:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Is it necessary to read through the huge and acrimonious amount of talk on this page prior to making a contribution to the List of Canadians? If it is, I'm not sure I have that much time left.
Wanderer57 22:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Isn't this a list of prominent Canadians, rather than a list of Canadians? Shouldn't the title reflect this?
Wanderer57 22:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Thus far in history, none of the Kings and Queens of Canada have been Canadian.
Wanderer57 04:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Military figures section, it says that Alan Arnett McLeod was the youngest Canadian to ever win the Victoria Cross (age 18). I don't see how that can be when a little further down it says that Thomas Ricketts won the Victoria Cross at age 17. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.104.83 ( talk) 06:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this artist should be included in the List of Canadians, under Visual Artists. Her paintings are in hundreds of corporate and private collections including two past Prime Ministers of Canada. Important Canadian government and corporate collections of Ananny's work include; Canada Mortgage and Housing (Ottawa, Main Offices on Aviation Parkway) "Village en Hiver" 48 x 96 in. 1997, Ottawa Senators NHL Hockey Club, Scotiabank Place, Ottawa, "Skating on the Rideau Canal" 24 x 60 in. 2003, Ottawa Hospital (Riverside Campus),Ottawa, "Quebec Town in Summer" 24 x 60 in. 1998, CTV Television Corporation, Calgary, "Neighbourhood Coverage" 24 x 30 in. 2001, CTV Television Corporation, Calgary, "Full Coverage" 24 x 60 in. 2001, Global Television, Calgary, "Live Coverage" 24 x 60 in. 2001. These are but a few examples of the many corporations that have collected the art of Terry Ananny over the past decade. Terry Ananny's work has been exhibited extensively over the past decades in Canada and the US including the 2003 ArtExpo in New York City. Her work is represented nationally in Canada from coast to coast by major art galleries. Ananny's paintings have been reproduced on UNICEF cards (9 cards), Canada Save the Children cards (1 card) and Children's Wish Foundation cards (6 cards). I think it is notable for a Canadian artist to have their work selected nine times by UNICEF for card reproduction. It is notable in the sense that this would not be possible for every working artist to achieve as the selection process for inclusion in the UNICEF Christmas Card Collection is done by a juried selection committee. UNICEF cards are also distributed worldwide which again enhances an artists recognition and notability. Reference Canadian Life in a Northern Town —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.120.2 ( talk) 01:48, 27 March 20(UTC
i added a header, even though it may be obvious. i would recommend that the list not include links to categories, as that mixes up the purpose of articles and categories, in my language breaking the fourth wall. i feel strongly about this, but i wont act without support (if i get it). i mostly want to see if my understanding of how to keep list articles and other articles clear of references to their being articles, or how to avoid confusion between articles, discussions, categories, and external links, makes sense to others besides me. ps the list is effin awesome. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 02:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, with no comments added, i was bold and took out the links to categories. i did a minor edit to the links to other lists. i have given my reason for removing the cat links, i hope anyone who wants to add them back will give reason first. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 19:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some plagarism around here involving this site: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_Canadians . I don't know who copied who, or perhaps one author published on two sites, but this bothers me.
There is an editor using two accounts and an IP address attempting to list Black under criminals. His notability is mainly in business which is where he is currently listed. I've warned the main account against edit warring and told him to discuss it on the talk page. freshacconci talktalk 21:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Do we really want a list of fictional characters from canada ? I notice that they don't have the game/movie title associated with them. -- RichardMills65 ( talk) 04:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
This is a great article, haven't found anything equivalent on Wikipedia listing wide ranges of notable Canadians and organized by area of notability. I notice it started out as list of famous Canadians, now just list of Canadians. I think it would work well as a List of Notable Canadians, a new title that would give it a bit more descriptive title of what it represents.
I also suggest to take out the people who are notorious for things that don't quite contribute to the common good, and keep it positive-focused ... for cult leaders and criminals, I would start a new List of Infamous Canadians. Or maybe List of Canadian Criminals and a separate List of Canadian Cult Leaders (not too well-populated though, thankfully!) ... Your thoughts?
Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 04:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, PKT and Hogie75. The length of the article can be trimmed by moving out some content and linking it to the new page for that content; as I was suggesting List of Infamous Canadians perhaps.
I'm not sure if I follow the other comment re where to draw the line, about some people being extra-notable or simply notable. No person listed would need to have more than the usual notability.
Sounds like no one is objecting to the article migrating to a new page called List of Notable Canadians. Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 21:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, PKT, I hear you. I think by definition to be a person with a Wikipedia article, you have to be notable, thus anyone with an article would be a Notable Canadian. Is there a stream of other Canadians with articles that aren't included in this list? Then perhaps the list needs to be broadened to include them.
Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 21:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Grace Annie Lockhart (22 Feb 1855 – 18 May 1916) was the first woman to graduate with a university Degree not only in Canada, but also in the entire British Empire at the time and, thus, a significant contribution to the heritage of Canada. She received a Bachelor of Science and English Literature Degree on 25 May 1875 from Mount Allison University, in New Brunswick.
She marks the first time in Canadian history that a woman claims full rights in the field of higher education.
Such a proud addition to our roster of important Atlantic Canadian female figures in academia aligns closely to Canada's philosophy on gender parity and Canada's spirit in being a nation of equality.
- Dimitrios (sorry - I do not remember my login credentials, which is why Ι did not add Grace to the roster of the main article, but I thought I should mention it here in the hopes that someone else might do this please) 24.114.92.210 ( talk) 23:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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Add bullet points here:
After someone writes a solid biography, then move it to the famous page.
And, make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell why, if you think someone else is wrong, remove it (with your own explanation but adhering to these guidelines).
To see the FAMOUS CANADIANS page (and all other countries too) be something that makes new, curious, visitors from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Korea, etc. etc. stop, look and listen AND come back. In simple words, an advertisement. Limiting the categories to the top three of four hockey players, baseball, etc. is a marketing concept that is designed to create interest. Endless names and lists turn people off. List 20 hockey players and which one does the visitor from Nigeria choose? List the top 3 and it does not matter.
The famous France page is pretty good and attracts a huge following. But, fill the page with fringe authors and a lot of newcomers will turn away and never come back out of pure disgust at the waste of time. Canucks don?t have France?s long history but they still have interesting knowledge to impart. American liberals like Ralph Nader and Michael Moore think Canada is the greatest place on earth but then far righties like Supreme Court nominee (failed) Robert Bork thinks Canada is the cat?s meow politically and judicially. Hopefully, after some new visitor reads about a Canadian scientist or a baseball player, or even Big Ben, who is a horse not a clock, will leave the Wikipedia site with several things:
1) New or expanded knowledge about Canada, Canadians, their values, and their beliefs; 2) A tiny seed planted towards the developing of a positive attitude towards others; 3) Simple enjoyment and a slight smile about the behaviour of Queen Juliana?s ?Canadianized? kids after they returned from Ottawa to the Netherlands; 4) A desire to return to Wikipedia; 5) A beginning of a desire to maybe do an article or even so bold as to create a List of Famous Syrians (I used Syria because the President has said he is addicted to the web.); 6) A germination that all Americans (I am dual citizenship folks) are not Yahoos, not self-centered, not anti anybody, and some are willing to admit it is time to look outward and understand others. Go Bill Maher! (The education system worldwide teaches kids almost nothing about the rest of the world. Canadians biggest complaint is not that Americans know zip about Canada, it is that Americans don?t want to know zip about Canada. But Canadians don?t want to know zip about Mexico except for the name of a resort beach in January. Note the Famous Canadians talk page snide comment of some basketball statistic on Steve Nash by an American who obviously follows the NBA. I attempted to explain Nash's reason for being a famous Canadian by using the Matt Stairs example.) 7) A growing curiosity and involvement that will, through well written ?famous? people articles, make a visitor want to look at the lengthy sub list and learn more about Canada and with trust in the NPOV of articles will want to read other pages about other nations and the links that can take then to thousands of works of knowledge.
I'd like to take issue with whoever moved the Criminals down. Who do you think you are? Don't you realize the headings are in alphabetical order?
I hope the "clique" is satisfied. You have created the mess I warned about. Now, the WWF wrestlers (who in fact is incorporated as an entertainment company not sports) are now ion the FAMOUS sports list of Canadians and several hockery players have been added. Within a short time every Canuchk who ever played Junion A, AHL, or the NHL will show up. The "FAMOUS CANADIANS" list is now so long and so worthless (as I warned and your little group crapped on) that no one will bother anymore. Thanks. It is really great to see the collective genius gathered here. Truly sad, to see people who claim to be any particular citizenship that suits their need at any moment and espouse things for which they in fact have no proven qualifications of any kind other than an ability to type on a computer screen to profess to be anyone or anything. Now that you have in fact insulted Canadians with your IMPOSED definition of how YOUR Wikipedia should be run, are you proud of your fine work? Suggest you have created a monster, because the disease your limited intellect has created will soon spread to the U.S., Dutch, French, and other pages. Suggest your abilities that appear to be limited to copy and paste from Google, be used elsewhere. Wikipedia is now being visited and scrutinized by someone from a major Canadian newspaper. It will indeed be interesting to see their article. Thanks for destroying a page for a Conuntry you know nothing about. I look forward to your screwing up the Dutch page, another country you know nothing about. .....DW
Eclecticetcetc: Don't discrimate against these other authors because that contradicts the policy IMPOSED against my pleas.
The word famous has several synonyms: renowned, celebrated, noted, notorious, distinguished, eminent, illustrious (see Wikipedia:Definition of famous). Perhaps what DW and Jeronimon have been discussing needs some clarified criteria:
Let's discuss what we each mean by "famous". -- Ed Poor
FIRST: The Wiki operators know for fact that Elliot and I are not one and the same. Do not insult me further with UNFOUNDED charges and, I can guaratee you, I am not going to be blocked out. Second, I never complained (if you (Larry Sanger and others) took the time to read) about the quality other than an accusation of laziness. My BEEF was, is, etc. that without a STANDARD for who is famous (or going the idiot route of "changing the name of the page") then the pages TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY loses its value. And, given that I for one believe this site, beyond the benefits derived from being sponsored by a psychological assessment group, can be worthwhile: a one-stop shopping point for an amazing amount of info (provided the info input comes from Kalula Balula (et al) in Tangiers etc.etc. who actually knows what is relevant knowledge worth telling the world about. THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR YOU TO EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS AS CLICKED ON GOOGLE OF HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD IS. IT IS A PLACE FOR THEM TO TELL US. (I?m sure you still won?t get it.) YOU, not me, decided to open the famous Canadian page to every one who ever lived. Like me or not folks, I created one hell of a lot of well thought out and valuable articles for which I do not need to list on a Wiki resume and espouse my greatness (note, I even revealed the Dutch Prince's bribe taking that someone originally ?forgot? that they prefer to not air in public (aka the Dutch Watergate) because I don't believe in hiding reality or creating propaganda....makes a better world and fosters understanding etcetcetc. MY DAMN GOOD Famous Canadians page had learning (that I think is the encyclopedia goal, isn't it?) value. I am very interested in the Famous French and from its popularity, I?m sure as hell not the only one. Will be very interested in the Mozambique page and its TRULY and LEGITIMATELY famous citizens so that I can LEARN. (From THEM, not the wiz of Wisconsin.)
What is missing (boy, here comes G.W's friends on the right) is a little business savvy and marketing instincts. (A wiki problem that may soon result in its shutdown.) May God bless all those who claim to be dear professors of philosophy/math/toilet paper and the like, but all the damn Wiki articles in the world aren't worth dick, if only your tiny group shows up. Sorry, but GWO? In line with your last remark, there is no doubt that this stuff is way over your head. There are (May, 2002) 3.4 billion people with access to the Internet. Make an effort to present a Wikipedia that has value (AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A MUSIC BAND STARTED UP LAST WEEK, or AN AUTHOR SELF PUBLISHED BY IUNIVERSE ETC. Let me repeat: Famous pages are good, they will in fact attract users and readers. But must be limited to Famous. I gave a solution before but was RUDELY shouted down by your clique members. This was in fact, as Ortolan88 said, a MODEL PAGE that I set up. I suggested a very limited number of famous in the various category lists with a sub list like what was in the authors. AND, I said I would use my experience and considerable (repeat considerable) knowledge of Canada to place these names but if anyone didn?t agree with me, I said to move the name (like the incredible world wide superstar, Time/Newsweek/People/Paris Match cover band the absolutely amazing, fantastic, brilliant, something something TANYAS) from the sub list to the FAMOUS PAGE list but put a note as to why you think they belong. THAT ladies/gentlemen solves the problem. But, I was put down, attacked and told no, no, famous is a blah blah (where is Jeronimo with his morons when really needed) So, you have a nightmare mess that no one will bother with. AND, there were 3-4 hockey players on the list. I can guarantee you, that before long every one in Canada will be listed on a page three miles long. All Canada has is good beer and great hockey. Sadly, I hate beer and ?. |DW
I just gave you the solution: READ!
"MY DAMN GOOD Famous Canadians page". When did it become yours? The history shows that you first posted here on Sept. 7, a full six months after the earliest date. Even though I have the earliest credit in the history, even then I was amending what someone else had started.
I admit having made an ironic statement about having a green light to include almost anybody, but even that would imply some criterion for including such names. What I removed had nothing to do with any specific person or prize. It is a long list which already appears at List of Canadian writers. It is clear that it was put there out of vindictiveness rather than with any intent to improve the article. You have already stated your intent to sabotage this and several other articles, so I feel confident that I was reverting vandalism. Eclecticology
-- Ed Poor
Thank you Ed Poor. Her's the deal. We go back (and I will take it there) to where we were on the day Ortolan88 made the mistake of this a model page. I and I alone (boy some egos are really gonna hurt now) will set it up with "Famous Canadians". (If another knowledgeable Canuck wants the task instead of me, please speak up.) That is, par example, en anglais, at most 5-6 hockey players who are national icons.
Same for baseball etc., authors etc. Then, if antyone wishes to add to the sub list, God bless and welcome. If you wish to add to the famous list or move from the sublist, please do but with a note containg a brief explanation as to why you think they belong there. Simple, isn't it? ...DW
Yep, here come the egos and idiuots removing more names again imposing THEIR will in contradiction of previous statements THEY accepted. Because you do not accept the dictionary definition, my intellect certainly is not sufficient to write a criteria to meet your needs. Therefore, forget it. We can revert to continual adding and deleting. And, trust me, I will stick it out.
Oh, for the person labeling themselves as AxelBoldt and seeking much personal attention on his user page? My aunt (my spouses relative) would love to hear from an ?Expert? on Holland, particularly one with such wisdom as you profess. She is married to a Drost', also spelled Droste, and is working on the family history. They go home to the Netherlands every few years and have deep and lasting love for Queen Juliana, like ALL their family there, being the kind of people who understand the pain of the Nazis and the religious intolerance of 1963. And yes, she reminded me to say thanks to the people of Apeldoorn, in particular the school children for taking care of the war graves for the Canadians who died to liberate the Dutch. And uncle Pieter said he remembers the ENTIRE country's shock at learning Princess Irene had converted to Catholicm ONLY months after it happened when a photo appeared of her on knees at mass in the ROYAL CHURCH of JERONIMO in MADRID. And, oh yes, at the same day, American blacks were still riding on the back of the bus. AxelBoldt, please e-mail her at: drost-fh@onlink.net ....DW
Just for the record: Conversion to Catholicism by a member of the Dutch Royal Family required the approval of the Dutch "government". Princess Irene was stripped of her title and she and her children stripped of any claim to the throne. That ban, because she converted to Catholicsm, remains in effect to this day. No one, agreeing with such policies (aslthough you do approve of labelling entire nations as morons, I do not) but it is a fact. ...DW
And, I forgot to add, Princess Irene's conversion was kept hidden from the Dutch people and was in fact a hated Church because of its symbolism. For someone of your age, you would not even be aware of the "Pope in the White House" cries from Protestant all over the U.S.A. in the 1960 election....Dw
The point is that this is a screwed up page and another fascist named Eclecticidiot has started agreeing with me but is imposing his will on what you and others told me not to do. In Eclecticwhatever's pea brain, The "Tanyas" are famous but a Giller Prize winner is not. Guess I better post the HillBilly Six on the U.S. page and delete a Pulitzer winner. The National Post is gonna have a field day with this insult to Canadians. I really do have a hard time toolerating fools. Or, possibly it could be what USA today referred to when it said Al Quida would use the Internet to create conflict...DW
What aliases?? I certainly do not want to drive Jeronimo away. I believe in freedom, more than most who attacked me and all MORON AMERICANS on these pages. (Perhaps I should post some of the intimidation and derogative, snide, elitist remarks against others (not against me) made by Zoe's qualified person. I just want Jeronimo to not issue racist statement or to make false accusations against me. And, when he says I'm not Dutch one day, then the next says he is, I get confused as to what is reality. Confused too, when certain types of people are famous one day but not the next. Any viewer will be confused by such inconsistencies. Unfortunately, ignorance is bliss so all one can do is fix articles posted that are wrong or outright false....DW
There are now two people, neither of which claims to be Canadians, who have decided that the Governor-General's very respected and famous author husband, John Ralston Saul, who at this moment is on national television standing next to HM Queen Elizabeth II of England, is not a famous Canadian and repeatly removes him and a Giller Prize winner from the famous page, but knowingly and deliberately leaves a band that few people in Canada, never mind anywhere else except maybe free BBC interviews, has heard of. Question? Why is this contradiction tolerated by those others who were so quick to criticize me? Double standard because I'm not part of your clique? Or, because you simply are unable to amit you are wrong. I can keep changing it and will get help to make sure Wikipedia is not butchered and controlled by people with a narrow point of view and intolerance....DW
P.S.: Happy Thanksgiving Day.
I'm not going to repeat stuff 100 times. Read and digest it for yourself. However, I just realized you are in trouble with some from the clique when they return because you deleted some of their stuff. Now, show some courage and move the average musicians to the list of musicians so those that are famous Canadian musicians aren't insulted...DW
Deleting the very FAMOUS hockey players like Dave Keon, Jean Belliveau etc. that were listed by me, is facist intolerance and discrimination. I shall reinstate them along with adding numerous other Canadian hockey players who a famous and the famous author list. If anyone discriminates against me then I will already propose they and all of their aliases be banned....DW
Zoe, E, just because DW's an asshole, that doesn't make him necessarily wrong. Both of you have deleted real, useful information that he has contributed here, and called it "vandalism". You both should know better. For example, one of DW's lists of authors begins:
This was changed to remove Acorn entirely and remove the extra info on Atwood. It is our custom here on Wikipedia that lists of people may contain a short blurb about them. The years are probably extraneous, but something like "published 18 volumes", or the titles of one or two most famous works, is entirely appropriate and useful. Such short blurbs serve to further identify the person in question to the reader and give brief info to people who may not want to follow up with the full article. If you choose to leave a certain name here, don't delete the blurbs (but you can edit them of course).
That said, DW, we also have a strong policy here against "data dumping"; i.e., don't dump long lists of names here just because they might qualify. Put some thought into what might make this a more interesting and useful article, and only include those wbout whom there is something interesting to say. Especially where there are detailed sublists, including a long list here is pointless and distracting. "Consistency" is NOT a goal of Wikipedia. Well-written articles about interesting topics is. That means exercising some editorial judgment, and letting others here exercise some as well. Robots can copy names; that doesn't make a good article.
For example, there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist. This is a matter of editorial judgment, and there can be disagreements about that. You will behave like an adult and discuss those judgments with others here or you will be blocked. It's a simple as that--grow up or leave. -- LDC
First, the proof is in the pudding that a properly done Wikipedia is worthwhile. Jean Beliveau is one of the most revered of all Canadians. Bar none. He was Captain of the most successful Montreal Canadians teams pof the 50s and 60s, won TEN, count em' folks, ten Stanley Cups, was given the Order of Canada Award, offered the position of Governor-General of Canada] by Prime Minister Mulroney but declined because his daughter was dying of cancer. He is adored in Canada as a gentlememan of the highest order. Letting the world, including Americans) learn about Beliveau, in my humble opinion is a damn good thing...DW
Second: This is exactly what I have been defending: Dumping Data, and making claims that certain "friends" or a particular band or hockey player that someone likes should be listed as a famous Canadian. What has been inserted here (after I set the page up and Ortolan88 called it a model page) was opportunistic and had no place on this page. I did not say any article should be banded in acvcordance with what you said: exercising some editorial judgment. However, read what transpired. I was informerd I had no right to exercise some editorial judgment. even after I gave detailed explanations and pointed out the quality and quantity of my articles. (Which no one has been able to criticize.) But, in the name of democracy, I went a step further and said: if you disagree, then add the personm to the "Famous" list but put a footnote for your reasoning. For that too, I was attacked, but when I added some hockey players or some of the most famous authors in Canada, I was deleted. That is a contradiction of these peoples own statements. And no, you will not block me because you need to asses facts first and weigh all the consequences for the validity of your project and its actions first. The facts will show I am correct, have had racist retorts directed at me because in fact and in law, I have followed what you have so clearly stated as Wikipedia policy. I am a valued contributor. In fact, if you have a panel to assess right from wrong, I welcome it...DW
P.S. Making fun of someone's dsylexia and labeling all Americans as morons, is not my definition of a discussion....DW
P.S.S. You said: For example, there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist. If ypou read this rather lengthy and stressfgul discussion, I have been saying EXACTLY what you said but was attacked and told I was wrong. Either you are right or they are. Please have your "arbitrators" advise if you or they should be followed because every time I followed your' advise, my entry was deleted, reversed, etc. ...DW
Yes, I understand that you have campaigned for limiting the list here, and that's good (though your recent changes have been data dumps, so I'm a bit confused). I've tried to follow the threads here, and it's not easy, but a few things are quite clear: (1) You are personally rather abrasive and rude. That in itself is not so bad--we all can be from time to time; you just seem better at it than most. (2) Some people have overreacted to your rudeness and thrown out similar rhetoric. That too is understandable, if regrettable. (3) You have, in reaction to them, only grown even more rude, and evasive, and arrogant--and worst of all, dismissive. You need to work on that; at some point, people have to take the high road and be reasonable even in the face of others' rudeness, and go out of your way to understand the concerns of others and show them some respect even if you do happen to think they're idiots. That's how you gain credibility here. Another way to gain credibility here would be to have a consistent pseudonym and log in with it. Always editing under an anonymous IP is going to lose you some arguments; that's just the way it is, and always will be. Having credibility here is valuable; for one thing, it gains you presumptive deference in disputes. If I don't have time to read through every little post of some argument on a talk page, I just look to see what side of an argument Mav is on; or Axel, or Larry, or any of the other people I have come to know and respect here. I tend to assume they're right until proven otherwise (and that doesn't happen too often). -- LDC
DW, you have some good points. However, they tend to get lost in the mess of threads and insults. Why be abusive to people who simply disagree with you? It makes it difficult for people to focus on encyclopedia work when they have to sift through several screens of flames. Also, don't worry about this page being insulting to Canadians. I am one, and I'm not insulted. -- Stephen Gilbert 01:17 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
I am going to be very nice (for as long as humanly possible). Tomorrow I plan to change the sub-list sports page title to something a little below "Famous". I added Bronco Horvath, who really is not famous (Gretzky is) but who in fact tied Bobby Hull for the NHL scoring championship and was an all-star player. However, as compared to my pet peeve, the "Tanyas", Bronco Horvath is a million times more famous than them, at least in Boston or amongst baby boomer NHL fans. If I am wrong with my approach, I will go away from Wikipedia because establishing and contributing to a page(s) that in fact provides no real value under the heading ?Famous?, would for me the same thing as participating in fraud.
It seems to me a sub-page can be where those who love Dave Keon or Dave Shultz from the big bad Flyers, or Mark Messier etc. can put him here and hopefully do an article. If I had control of Wikipedia, a name posted would automatically disappear after a fixed length of time if no reasonably written article had been done. Unfortunately, that requires money for a monitor, OR, wait a minute -- volunteers! This would eliminate the gosh, Davy Keon was the greatest keyboarders to the page who then obviously don't think he was so great that they won?t take the time to write a valuable article. Playing the psychological game, I did bios on Bobby Orr etc. but deliberately did not do Gordie Howe who is ranked in the SI top three EVER of hockey. I was curious to see how long it would take before someone from prior generations so deserved of an article was done.
So, I will edit all of the headings (there are far too many ?Famous Actors etc? with no article done who should be on a sub-list.) and I shall edit almost exactly as per the words of LDC who said:
I will add Beliveau to this sub list, but after I (or maybe someone else) writes a solid biography, then I/they will move it to the famous page. And, because I believe that Wikipedia has great potential, I will make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell you why. If you think I?m (or someone else is wrong), remove it with your own explanation but adhering to LDC?s guidelines.
I will repeat my objectives: It is my desire to see the ?FAMOUS CANADIANS? page (and all other countries too) be something that makes new, curious, visitors from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Korea, etc. etc. stop, look and listen AND come back. In simple words, an advertisement. Limiting the categories to the top three of four hockey players, baseball, etc. is a marketing concept that is designed to create interest. Endless names and lists turn people off. List 20 hockey players and which one does the visitor from Nigeria choose? List the top 3 and it does not matter.
The famous France page is pretty good and attracts a huge following. But, fill the page with ?fringe? authors and a lot of newcomers will turn away and never come back out of pure disgust at the waste of time. Canucks don?t have France?s long history but they still have interesting knowledge to impart. American liberals like Ralph Nader and Michael Moore think Canada is the greatest place on earth but then far righties like Supreme Court nominee (failed) Robert Bork thinks Canada is the cat?s meow politically and judicially. Hopefully, after some new visitor reads about a Canadian scientist or a baseball player, or even Big Ben, who I would explain is a horse not a clock, will leave the Wikipedia site with several things:
That?s all for now. Thank you, LDC. Common sense rises to the surface once in a while. I hope it lasts?. Amen. DW
(I will only log in for the famous Canuck page. My stuff on an array of other light fluff or heavy s?t, I prefer to do anonymously and don?t care if I?m edited to death so long as someone improves it. And yes Zoë, you do a good job running around Wikifying my articles because my brain and dyslexic mind (that?s an excuse) can?t handle them properly. Your effort is a very valued one, that is why I didn?t go after you too hard. ?.DW
Immediately you are testing me again and it is pure ignorance where your mouth goes before the brain. READ WHAT I AND LDC SAID. PLEASE!!!! I repeat, as you demand, "my proposal" for the umpteenth (and last) time on this page: Follow LDC's guidelines and also, if you think someone should be moved from the sublist to the "Famous" page, then do it but have the good manners and intellect to give a reason. I can assure you that Canadians do not want the "Be Good Tanyas" to be represented to the world on the Internet as their symbol of famous Canadian achievers. Also, I repeat again (gritting her/his teeth), please READ before speaking. LDC gave clear and specific examples of EXACTLY the type of people, naming names, establishing a reasonable basis and precedent for making a judgement. I repeat, I will make changes according to LDC's guidelines. If you think he is wrong, take it up with him, because I am tired of trying to bring a little professionalism and legitimacy to this page's presentation. Also, if you are from Eindhoven, and Philips has been in my portfolio before you were born, then, unless you are Canadian you are not qualified to put forth to the rest of the world who should represent Canada as their famous sons and daughters. Exception, might be a scholar with a Masters in Canadian Studies. That does not mean non-Canadians should not add articles to the sublist are make "cooperative" suggestions.
Just as I am not qualified to say who should represent the Netherlands sas their famous achievers. Example, I added painter, Jan Steen and the Dutch Premier who collaborated with the nazis to the Famous Dutch page. But, I will not do an article until I have done thorough research and if a Dutch person or painting scholar etc. puts Steen on a sublist, I will gladly accept their logic because there are only about four people on the entire planet who are qualified to assess the impact of various painters worldwide. Likewise, any name with no article I put up can be deleted. Example: I did the article on Diane de Poitiers. But I sure as hell didn't run to list her as a Famous French person. Voltaire, Rousseau, Napoleon are famous. Does anyone think that a version of the "Be Good Tanyas" in France should be on the same "Famous French" page as Napoleon?
Give me a break, and stop insulting my limited intellect. Too, my spouse's uncle thinks the new Amsterdam band called the "Smoking Tulip Kings" are really, really, famous. They were interviewed on RNI and have made a record and appeared in at least two clubs! Should I not proceed to clutter up your Famous Dutch page with this famous band? And there are many more "famous" I and plenty of others could add to the Famous Dutch page. If you go that route you (I'm repeating again) you have a worthless list of mainly minor personalities that is presented to the world as "Famous Dutch." Shit, I know a Dutch person who is really famous because of his/her contributions to an incredibly great internet encyclopedia project which is of as much importance to him/her, me, and others, as the "Be Good Tanyas" is to the world of music. (I sure hope you are starting to get this. Maybe its a language barrier, because all the reasoning, logic, strategy, values, etc. has been fully explained on this page several times. No endless lists means exactly what LDC said. The Famous people pages for Canada or Cuba should be the representatives of their country to the world. One more and final time: I will abide by LDC's guidelines. ....DW
Here we go again. The idiocy has started already. The proud fascist, Jeronimo, thinks I owe him an explanation for having a brain larger than a flea. Eclecticology has decided there are no Famous Canadian authors. That is vandalism....DW
Dear Ed Poor: It is only idiots who vandalize pages and only facists who choose an alias that insults Dutch senior citizens and it is absolutely fascist to label all Americans as "MORONS" which I note you have not condemned. Plus, if LDC's proposals were not valid to Jeronimo or Electiolllyaie, say so in the discussion rather than vandalize the page and attack someone....DW
I created a Wikipedia:Plan to edit famous Canadians article page, (which is now this page, so i removed the links. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 02:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)) and I invite people to move discussion on improving the article there. There's room to sign up, and I spent nearly a quarter of an hour setting up an intial plan, based heavily on DW's long comment above. Jeronimo, DW, and interested others: let's see if we can do for Canada what we did for the whole world. -- Ed Poor
That's it for now, I'll be back later. Jeronimo
Jeronimo, you have insisted several times in the discussion above on an "objective criterion" for famousness. The one I proposed you didn't like, and you haven't proposed an alternative one. Apparently, you think the word cannot or should not be used in the absense of an universally agreed-upon objective definition.
But that is not the case. Virtually no word in the English language outside of mathematics has universally agreed-upon objective definitions. Can you define the word "red"? Some things clearly are red, some things clearly are not, and then there are lots of things where people (and proposed definitions) disagree. Where precisely does infrared start? Yet, the concept "red" is eminently useful. Shooting down an article like Red things and their emotional symbolism simply because red is not well-defined would be disingenious. I claim that "famous" is the same as "red". There are some imperfect criteria for famousness, and there are proposed hard definitions which are all not quite satisfactory. But the concept itself is useful. There is definite interest in famous people.
Suppose I sit in Senegal and want to learn about Canada. A page with scores of names, none of which I recognize, doesn't help at all. On the other hand, I would value it if someone else had made an editorial decision to produce a small list of famous Canadians, with one-line descriptions and links to articles. I wouldn't care in the least what criterion or definition they had used for "famousness", since all reasonable criteria will pretty much pick out the same people, except at the fringes, and I'm not interested in the fringes. Just like I'm not interested in the netherworld between infrared and red. AxelBoldt 17:17 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
Jeronimo: To make it worse, you have lied and I for one am tired of it. You said: "But DW decided that the page he made was "finished". Jeronimo, just let it go.... DW (final remark on this overdone issue: Create good pages and in the future newcomers will too. Do things by example. I did and someone called it a "Model Page." Then again, I understand Ortolan88 is one of those American morons. With a little vision, one can learn as well as teach.)
I will admit that I have been less than even-handed when it comes to DW and his alter ego, Elliot, but then, they combined with Helga to drive JKemp off of the 'pedia, and DW/Elliot is now trying to do the same thing to Jeronimo. -- Zoe
Please don't insult me too. I am me, and while I have so far agreed with DW on the issues raised to date it does not mean I am anyone's puppet. And the hosts verified I am not DW on the day I signed in. And people choose to leave this project; it is impossible to drive someone away....Elliot
I can accept LDC's view that a list of the really famous must necessarily be short, and perhaps the development of various sub-lists may help that to happen.
I do not accept that a self-appointed American should be the arbiter of who is a famous Canadian. I accept it even less when that epitome of the "Ugly American" brings shame on his own country, by applying techniques of insult, mockery, bullying distortion and defamation. But that's enough time wasted on DW; perhaps he should leave the decision of who best represents Canadian values to Canadians.
Perhaps we could adopt a strict limit to the number of people listed on each segment of this page, say the top 10 or 20. Beyond that limit adding a new person means removing somebody else. Each entry should also include a line or two about why that person is so important. In the case of a writer, for example, that means more than just giving the titlle of his book(s).
I don't think that Google hits is a very sound basis for determining famous Canadians. It puts too much emphasis on contemporary people who have not yet proved that their fame will be lasting.
I'm restoring three of the names that Gareth deleted from the musicians' list for reasons shown on the list. I would also consider changing the chaice of some others, but will wait until I can back my choices. I would likely remove Bryan Adams and add back Holly Cole. Eclecticology
OK, I put a start for a list as I mentioned above at List of famous Canadians/Temp. It's not complete, as some fields are missing completely, or do not have 10 persons listed. Furthermore, not all are annotated sufficiently, and the linked lists should also be created. Let me know what you think of the idea, and go ahead and try to figure out which persons should and shouldn't be in the top ten.
I'm not sure whether to use the numerical lists or the current bullet lists - this would suggest some kind of order, I think it's better to have the lists alphabetical. Jeronimo
Unlike his MGM partner Louis B. Mayer, who grew up in St. John, NB, Samuel Goldwyn had no significant connection with Canada. If any, he was only passing through on his way between Europe and the United States. I'm removing him from the list. Eclecticology
I've restored Painless Parker. I agree that he may not rank among the most famous of Canadians, but he does belong somewhere. Perhaps even in the category of famous Canadian eccentrics. Eclecticology
I changed the secondary description of Donald Marshall: the other famous court case (besides his wrongful conviction) he was involved with concerned First Nations rights to natural resources (eel fishing specifically). It had nothing to do with racism against aboriginal people.
Secondly, I altered the line for the actor Graham Greene to reflect his correct year of birth and the fact that he's not dead. His name still links to the page for the dead english novelist of the same name, but I'm not sure how to change this. Can someone else fix this?
I noticed that Mark Lepines' dates are listed as (1964-) in this page, whereas in actuality he is dead. It should read (1964-1989). ty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.77.249 ( talk) 04:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
move to talk:list of Canadians
Hi there! I have problems about famous Canadians or notable British Columbians. Who counts as a Canadian? I have added Leslie Cheung in the list of Canadians, but I am not quite comfortable with it. Leslie Cheung had lived in BC for just three years and then returned to Hong Kong after getting a passport, and he is not a rare example. Did I do the right thing? Or should this kind of "non-Canadian" Canadian be removed from the lists? Wshun
I have started a separate List of Canadian Heroes and Heroines since this can cut across the other categories. Edmilne 05:14, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)
I would like to include the Donnelly family, also known as the Black Donnellys. They were the victim of an infamous home invasion and massacre, purportedly the end event of a vicious feud that griped the Ontario community of Lucan. The problem is that this family is more famous collectively than individually and I don't know what to do.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
I don't see a problem with listing The Black Donnellys with a brief explanatory note. They certainly were famous. Sunray 03:09, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
The Black Donnellys are a footnote in Canadian history, and not recognizably famous outside the country. Landroo 02:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a list of fictional characters who are Canadian? Such as Wolverine from X-Men? nkife 07:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I edited the page and when it reloaded, I noticed there was some raw html showing at the top. I don't know if that was there before I edited it, but I certainly didn't do it on purpose. I just scrolled down the edit box and changed an entry...
I don't know how to do reverts, nor do I know what the html should be to fix it. 70.66.9.162 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the broken html which includes the table with the Canada flag and Coat of Arms, which doesn't seem very necessary anyway. If anyone wants it back, then do it with correct html. 70.66.9.162 03:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Political leader? Entertainer? Author? I imagine for most people, especially outside of Canada, it's "entertainer" because of Little Big Man, but he's got a political and cultural stature that doesn't really have any comparisons; but he should definitely be here, somewhere. Skookum1 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there perhaps a more lingually substantial term we can use instead?
There is no reason for all these images here, they should be removed. 74.204.40.46 04:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Is it necessary to read through the huge and acrimonious amount of talk on this page prior to making a contribution to the List of Canadians? If it is, I'm not sure I have that much time left.
Wanderer57 22:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Isn't this a list of prominent Canadians, rather than a list of Canadians? Shouldn't the title reflect this?
Wanderer57 22:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Thus far in history, none of the Kings and Queens of Canada have been Canadian.
Wanderer57 04:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Military figures section, it says that Alan Arnett McLeod was the youngest Canadian to ever win the Victoria Cross (age 18). I don't see how that can be when a little further down it says that Thomas Ricketts won the Victoria Cross at age 17. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.104.83 ( talk) 06:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this artist should be included in the List of Canadians, under Visual Artists. Her paintings are in hundreds of corporate and private collections including two past Prime Ministers of Canada. Important Canadian government and corporate collections of Ananny's work include; Canada Mortgage and Housing (Ottawa, Main Offices on Aviation Parkway) "Village en Hiver" 48 x 96 in. 1997, Ottawa Senators NHL Hockey Club, Scotiabank Place, Ottawa, "Skating on the Rideau Canal" 24 x 60 in. 2003, Ottawa Hospital (Riverside Campus),Ottawa, "Quebec Town in Summer" 24 x 60 in. 1998, CTV Television Corporation, Calgary, "Neighbourhood Coverage" 24 x 30 in. 2001, CTV Television Corporation, Calgary, "Full Coverage" 24 x 60 in. 2001, Global Television, Calgary, "Live Coverage" 24 x 60 in. 2001. These are but a few examples of the many corporations that have collected the art of Terry Ananny over the past decade. Terry Ananny's work has been exhibited extensively over the past decades in Canada and the US including the 2003 ArtExpo in New York City. Her work is represented nationally in Canada from coast to coast by major art galleries. Ananny's paintings have been reproduced on UNICEF cards (9 cards), Canada Save the Children cards (1 card) and Children's Wish Foundation cards (6 cards). I think it is notable for a Canadian artist to have their work selected nine times by UNICEF for card reproduction. It is notable in the sense that this would not be possible for every working artist to achieve as the selection process for inclusion in the UNICEF Christmas Card Collection is done by a juried selection committee. UNICEF cards are also distributed worldwide which again enhances an artists recognition and notability. Reference Canadian Life in a Northern Town —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.120.2 ( talk) 01:48, 27 March 20(UTC
i added a header, even though it may be obvious. i would recommend that the list not include links to categories, as that mixes up the purpose of articles and categories, in my language breaking the fourth wall. i feel strongly about this, but i wont act without support (if i get it). i mostly want to see if my understanding of how to keep list articles and other articles clear of references to their being articles, or how to avoid confusion between articles, discussions, categories, and external links, makes sense to others besides me. ps the list is effin awesome. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 02:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, with no comments added, i was bold and took out the links to categories. i did a minor edit to the links to other lists. i have given my reason for removing the cat links, i hope anyone who wants to add them back will give reason first. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 19:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some plagarism around here involving this site: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_Canadians . I don't know who copied who, or perhaps one author published on two sites, but this bothers me.
There is an editor using two accounts and an IP address attempting to list Black under criminals. His notability is mainly in business which is where he is currently listed. I've warned the main account against edit warring and told him to discuss it on the talk page. freshacconci talktalk 21:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Do we really want a list of fictional characters from canada ? I notice that they don't have the game/movie title associated with them. -- RichardMills65 ( talk) 04:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
This is a great article, haven't found anything equivalent on Wikipedia listing wide ranges of notable Canadians and organized by area of notability. I notice it started out as list of famous Canadians, now just list of Canadians. I think it would work well as a List of Notable Canadians, a new title that would give it a bit more descriptive title of what it represents.
I also suggest to take out the people who are notorious for things that don't quite contribute to the common good, and keep it positive-focused ... for cult leaders and criminals, I would start a new List of Infamous Canadians. Or maybe List of Canadian Criminals and a separate List of Canadian Cult Leaders (not too well-populated though, thankfully!) ... Your thoughts?
Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 04:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, PKT and Hogie75. The length of the article can be trimmed by moving out some content and linking it to the new page for that content; as I was suggesting List of Infamous Canadians perhaps.
I'm not sure if I follow the other comment re where to draw the line, about some people being extra-notable or simply notable. No person listed would need to have more than the usual notability.
Sounds like no one is objecting to the article migrating to a new page called List of Notable Canadians. Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 21:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, PKT, I hear you. I think by definition to be a person with a Wikipedia article, you have to be notable, thus anyone with an article would be a Notable Canadian. Is there a stream of other Canadians with articles that aren't included in this list? Then perhaps the list needs to be broadened to include them.
Canadianknowledgelover ( talk) 21:47, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Grace Annie Lockhart (22 Feb 1855 – 18 May 1916) was the first woman to graduate with a university Degree not only in Canada, but also in the entire British Empire at the time and, thus, a significant contribution to the heritage of Canada. She received a Bachelor of Science and English Literature Degree on 25 May 1875 from Mount Allison University, in New Brunswick.
She marks the first time in Canadian history that a woman claims full rights in the field of higher education.
Such a proud addition to our roster of important Atlantic Canadian female figures in academia aligns closely to Canada's philosophy on gender parity and Canada's spirit in being a nation of equality.
- Dimitrios (sorry - I do not remember my login credentials, which is why Ι did not add Grace to the roster of the main article, but I thought I should mention it here in the hopes that someone else might do this please) 24.114.92.210 ( talk) 23:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
The redirect Notable Persons from other Canadian cities has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 31 § Notable Persons from other Canadian cities until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 ( talk) 21:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)