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What were the secret police of the Soviet Union called? NeoChrono Ryu 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Should the SS (Nazi military group) be on this list? I don't know enough about them to know whether they are secret police material ot just an elite military group. NeoChrono Ryu 01:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Some of the agnecies listed clearly belong on the "Historical" page, EG. Taiwan's entry describes an agency that no longer exists. 68.39.174.238 01:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Neither the FBI or the NSA are secret police organizations as defined under the secret police wikipedia entry.
I'm deleting the USA entries because the US agencies don't meet the definition and their conduct, despite accusations of such, is far from the usual purposes of secret polic which, rougly, is policing dissidents. Atcavage 04:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Please explain how the USSS operates in secret different from any other dignitary protection service, or treasury police agency. Just because it has 'secret' in it's name doesn't mean that it's a secret police agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atcavage ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Ridiculous. You are basing your view of American police organizations entirely on your domestic bias. You don't want to admit that there are organizations in the USA which meet the definitions of a secret police agency. Under the Patriot Act, this is ever more the case with the CIA and the NSA. Also, the USSS is indeed a police organization and would meet the definition. Stop denying that the USA has these agencies as well.-- 174.102.201.14 ( talk) 09:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
What, is kidnapping and torturing American citizens not the sort of thing a secret police organization does? Have we forgotten people like Jose Padilla? Ironically, the page on secret police that links to this list has a picture of Stasi mail-opening machine. NSA wiretapping programs have read far more private correspondence than the Stasi ever did. 75.45.226.98 ( talk) 01:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Here is evidence of secret police behavior in the US: "Congress did not allow for aggrieved Americans to sue the government, even if their constitutional rights were violated by the United States breaching its own wiretapping laws." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/appeals-court-oks-wiretapping/ Honestly, there is enough evidence about this to build an entire page, anyone denying it simply hasn't bothered to investigate the issue. USA should be on the list.
South Korea have secrect police organization under Korean National Police Agency. --Korsentry 06:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry ( talk • contribs)
"When in doubt, cut it out." Secret Service isn't secret, British Military Intelligence does not function as police, but I'm not sure about Ireland's G2 -- were they somehow linked to the IRA??? Dfoofnik ( talk) 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Britain definitely has secret police nowadays; I remeber reading a piece on how police have infiltrated protest networks to disrupt the protests' organisation. Also in London there are loads of secret police cars that are just posing as normal cars and then prosecute people for fairly trivial, everyday crimes. The same is also true of Britain's use of security cameras(which is has the most in the world per capita), these are always used to prosecute people for driving in the bus lanes and not paying the congestion charge. Equally, the security tapes always go conveniently missing if when there is the question of police brutality etc. In fact, just look at the Mass Surveillance article. How you can call the Chinese Ministry of State Security a secret police force and not the British one is beyond me, or have they gotten to you too!? 91.104.82.251 ( talk) 15:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is the Bundesnachrichtendienst listed? They certainly aren't a "secret police" organization today. If it is because of their previous incarnation under East Germany, then that should be noted as the reason.-- Davidwiz ( talk) 21:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This article should be renamed "list of domestic police or intelligence organizations in countries we don't like", since that seems to be the only real criterion for listing. Zero talk 06:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Routine and Dissent are keywords here, such as pervasive detention of journalists in the case of Turkey. Other ideas? -- Marianian( talk) 16:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Russian FSB carry out the same duties as the American FBI, I am open to correction. People may believe they are an external, foreign intelligence organisation however I believe that is the remit of both GRU and SVR and not FSB, again I am open to correction. If no replies to the contrary I will consider there being no objections and will delete the FSB entry. If there are objections to potential deletion please express your factually based opinions. Mandz orp ( talk) 19:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
![]() | The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information. |
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
What were the secret police of the Soviet Union called? NeoChrono Ryu 01:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Should the SS (Nazi military group) be on this list? I don't know enough about them to know whether they are secret police material ot just an elite military group. NeoChrono Ryu 01:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Some of the agnecies listed clearly belong on the "Historical" page, EG. Taiwan's entry describes an agency that no longer exists. 68.39.174.238 01:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Neither the FBI or the NSA are secret police organizations as defined under the secret police wikipedia entry.
I'm deleting the USA entries because the US agencies don't meet the definition and their conduct, despite accusations of such, is far from the usual purposes of secret polic which, rougly, is policing dissidents. Atcavage 04:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Please explain how the USSS operates in secret different from any other dignitary protection service, or treasury police agency. Just because it has 'secret' in it's name doesn't mean that it's a secret police agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atcavage ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Ridiculous. You are basing your view of American police organizations entirely on your domestic bias. You don't want to admit that there are organizations in the USA which meet the definitions of a secret police agency. Under the Patriot Act, this is ever more the case with the CIA and the NSA. Also, the USSS is indeed a police organization and would meet the definition. Stop denying that the USA has these agencies as well.-- 174.102.201.14 ( talk) 09:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
What, is kidnapping and torturing American citizens not the sort of thing a secret police organization does? Have we forgotten people like Jose Padilla? Ironically, the page on secret police that links to this list has a picture of Stasi mail-opening machine. NSA wiretapping programs have read far more private correspondence than the Stasi ever did. 75.45.226.98 ( talk) 01:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Here is evidence of secret police behavior in the US: "Congress did not allow for aggrieved Americans to sue the government, even if their constitutional rights were violated by the United States breaching its own wiretapping laws." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/appeals-court-oks-wiretapping/ Honestly, there is enough evidence about this to build an entire page, anyone denying it simply hasn't bothered to investigate the issue. USA should be on the list.
South Korea have secrect police organization under Korean National Police Agency. --Korsentry 06:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry ( talk • contribs)
"When in doubt, cut it out." Secret Service isn't secret, British Military Intelligence does not function as police, but I'm not sure about Ireland's G2 -- were they somehow linked to the IRA??? Dfoofnik ( talk) 02:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Britain definitely has secret police nowadays; I remeber reading a piece on how police have infiltrated protest networks to disrupt the protests' organisation. Also in London there are loads of secret police cars that are just posing as normal cars and then prosecute people for fairly trivial, everyday crimes. The same is also true of Britain's use of security cameras(which is has the most in the world per capita), these are always used to prosecute people for driving in the bus lanes and not paying the congestion charge. Equally, the security tapes always go conveniently missing if when there is the question of police brutality etc. In fact, just look at the Mass Surveillance article. How you can call the Chinese Ministry of State Security a secret police force and not the British one is beyond me, or have they gotten to you too!? 91.104.82.251 ( talk) 15:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is the Bundesnachrichtendienst listed? They certainly aren't a "secret police" organization today. If it is because of their previous incarnation under East Germany, then that should be noted as the reason.-- Davidwiz ( talk) 21:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This article should be renamed "list of domestic police or intelligence organizations in countries we don't like", since that seems to be the only real criterion for listing. Zero talk 06:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Routine and Dissent are keywords here, such as pervasive detention of journalists in the case of Turkey. Other ideas? -- Marianian( talk) 16:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
My understanding is that the Russian FSB carry out the same duties as the American FBI, I am open to correction. People may believe they are an external, foreign intelligence organisation however I believe that is the remit of both GRU and SVR and not FSB, again I am open to correction. If no replies to the contrary I will consider there being no objections and will delete the FSB entry. If there are objections to potential deletion please express your factually based opinions. Mandz orp ( talk) 19:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)