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The list in its current state seems to be an uneasy mix of both Welsh names and English names. Major rivers such as the River Wye/Afon Gwy and the Afon Tywi/River Towy are commonly referred to by either name depending on the language preference of the speaker and indeed both versions appear on the face of the modern Ordnance Survey map. Minor river names will tend to appear in Welsh only. Has any convention been agreed for Wikipedia purposes on this matter?
Geopersona (
talk) 05:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The link to Afon Wen which is a tributary of Afon Mawddach goes to a hamlet of the same name (which is also similar to the name of another village). There is also a Wen River in China and I think also a River Wen in England (based on Google search). Any suggestions on naming of pages to remove confusion?-- Traveler100 ( talk) 11:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I would find it helpful myself (and hence assume others might) to divide the list further so that major catchments such as the Tywi, Usk, Wye and the Severn (for example) had their own editable sections. This ought not to break the flow (pun half-intended). Smaller catchments with smaller numbers of named watercourses could be sensibly accommodated in groups in such an approach. It would for consistency though, want to be followed in the other 'rivers of' pages, at least for the UK (and Ireland?). Any thoughts? Geopersona ( talk) 06:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know where this watercourse is on Anglesey - or if it exists at all? I've retained it for the while under 'other' but can't find it on the 1:25K map to locate it in the listing. Geopersona ( talk) 05:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
How do we tease apart the headwaters of the Afon Rheidol which flow into Nant-y-moch Reservoir? What flows into what? Modern and historic mapping at 25K and 50K scale don't help much. The wider issue of how to deal with multiple inflows into lakes in this list is one that concerns me. It's more of an issue for the List of rivers of Scotland of course. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 07:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I have been going through the list from the Clywedog anticlockwise, asigning (L) or (R) to each tributary to signify whether it is a left-bank or right bank tributary, and clearing up a host of other issues as I go - ambiguous links, wrongly ordered tributaries, spelling mistkae etc. I got as far as the Ystwyth and encountered entries for every small stream which is named on the OS map. Now these presumably fall under the definition of Environment Agency Wales's main river list so (by the criteria set out on the English list and discussed on its talk page) are worthy of inclusion. That's fine except that potentially this page could become so long as to be utterly unmanageable (and worse in England or Scotland, there being more watercourses).
Can I propose that such small streams are confined to the pages for individual catchments and that text be added in the intro to this article to that effect.
In editing the List of rivers of Scotland recently and adding significant numbers of watercourses (many of them of very considerable size) my rule of thumb was to add only those that appeared as double-lined features on the OS 50K map, for at least a part of their length. This gives some measure of significance in the landscape though it's not completely objective. I did add one or two others where, though single-lined, there was some sensible reason for doing so eg length or cultural association and in the case of many of the Scottish islands where the streams went by the name of 'River Example' or 'Example River', together with an introductory note to explain this. Oddly, many watercourses appear more boldly on the 50K than the 25K and this can give rise to uncertainty when using either/both these maps bases as sources. I'd welcome discussion on this - an approach agreed here could/should carry over to the other national lists for Great Britain's rivers. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 08:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Only just noticed but the eastern and Western Cleddau in Pembrokeshire have been swapped around. If someone can fix this they might also try to declutter the map - there are lakes named on it which I'd suggest are not relevant and a canal in Cheshire in England amongst other curios. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Why does the Liverpool Bay section run from Hoylake, which is in England? I suppose there might be some rivers flowing from the Wirral into the Dee through the small area north-west of Chester, where the Welsh-English border runs about a mile north of the Dee. If there are, I think this should be noted, as it seems strange to have a region of Wales described in terms of an English town. Indeed, why Hoylake, which is ten miles from the border, rather than somewhere like Neston or Burton?
And why do the section titles apart from Anglesey include "In Wales"? Tributaries starting in England aside, it's obvious that we're talking about rivers in Wales, because that's in the title. I'd delete them but the omission of "In Wales" from the Anglesey section makes me wonder if there's some reason for it. Should it be "Mainland", instead? Dricherby ( talk) 11:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Is the table List of rivers in Wales#Longest rivers in Wales correct? According to the River Teifi article, at 76 miles long it is the longest river wholly within Wales, and therefore not the River Towy at 68 miles (the article says 75 miles). I know there are different ways in which the measurement is made or indeed estimated, but shouldn't the articles agree? Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I am going to have to resurrect this issue I am afraid, mainly because this item crops up all the time in pub-quizzes and Wikipedia finds itself as being quoted as the source for the "correct" answer. So I feel it is necessary for the information here to be as "right" on this matter as it is possible to be. The quoted sources seem light on real data (we are talking measurements after all despite the issues to be acknowledged with Definition of length) and the NRW source for the Tywi seems to now have disappeared. I shall attempt a rigorous search for definitive data on river lengths and then come back with the results. Tedmarynicz ( talk) 11:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
(L) and (R) are explained but (M) suddenly appears out of nowhere when discussing Nant Gwrtheyrn and Afonydd Geirch, Amwlch and Pen-y-graig. It would be good to have that explained for those like me who are not quite sure what it signifies. Thanks. Gwyddno 21:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the clarification Gwyddno 14:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwyddno ( talk • contribs)
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The list in its current state seems to be an uneasy mix of both Welsh names and English names. Major rivers such as the River Wye/Afon Gwy and the Afon Tywi/River Towy are commonly referred to by either name depending on the language preference of the speaker and indeed both versions appear on the face of the modern Ordnance Survey map. Minor river names will tend to appear in Welsh only. Has any convention been agreed for Wikipedia purposes on this matter?
Geopersona (
talk) 05:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
The link to Afon Wen which is a tributary of Afon Mawddach goes to a hamlet of the same name (which is also similar to the name of another village). There is also a Wen River in China and I think also a River Wen in England (based on Google search). Any suggestions on naming of pages to remove confusion?-- Traveler100 ( talk) 11:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I would find it helpful myself (and hence assume others might) to divide the list further so that major catchments such as the Tywi, Usk, Wye and the Severn (for example) had their own editable sections. This ought not to break the flow (pun half-intended). Smaller catchments with smaller numbers of named watercourses could be sensibly accommodated in groups in such an approach. It would for consistency though, want to be followed in the other 'rivers of' pages, at least for the UK (and Ireland?). Any thoughts? Geopersona ( talk) 06:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know where this watercourse is on Anglesey - or if it exists at all? I've retained it for the while under 'other' but can't find it on the 1:25K map to locate it in the listing. Geopersona ( talk) 05:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
How do we tease apart the headwaters of the Afon Rheidol which flow into Nant-y-moch Reservoir? What flows into what? Modern and historic mapping at 25K and 50K scale don't help much. The wider issue of how to deal with multiple inflows into lakes in this list is one that concerns me. It's more of an issue for the List of rivers of Scotland of course. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 07:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I have been going through the list from the Clywedog anticlockwise, asigning (L) or (R) to each tributary to signify whether it is a left-bank or right bank tributary, and clearing up a host of other issues as I go - ambiguous links, wrongly ordered tributaries, spelling mistkae etc. I got as far as the Ystwyth and encountered entries for every small stream which is named on the OS map. Now these presumably fall under the definition of Environment Agency Wales's main river list so (by the criteria set out on the English list and discussed on its talk page) are worthy of inclusion. That's fine except that potentially this page could become so long as to be utterly unmanageable (and worse in England or Scotland, there being more watercourses).
Can I propose that such small streams are confined to the pages for individual catchments and that text be added in the intro to this article to that effect.
In editing the List of rivers of Scotland recently and adding significant numbers of watercourses (many of them of very considerable size) my rule of thumb was to add only those that appeared as double-lined features on the OS 50K map, for at least a part of their length. This gives some measure of significance in the landscape though it's not completely objective. I did add one or two others where, though single-lined, there was some sensible reason for doing so eg length or cultural association and in the case of many of the Scottish islands where the streams went by the name of 'River Example' or 'Example River', together with an introductory note to explain this. Oddly, many watercourses appear more boldly on the 50K than the 25K and this can give rise to uncertainty when using either/both these maps bases as sources. I'd welcome discussion on this - an approach agreed here could/should carry over to the other national lists for Great Britain's rivers. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 08:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Only just noticed but the eastern and Western Cleddau in Pembrokeshire have been swapped around. If someone can fix this they might also try to declutter the map - there are lakes named on it which I'd suggest are not relevant and a canal in Cheshire in England amongst other curios. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 20:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Why does the Liverpool Bay section run from Hoylake, which is in England? I suppose there might be some rivers flowing from the Wirral into the Dee through the small area north-west of Chester, where the Welsh-English border runs about a mile north of the Dee. If there are, I think this should be noted, as it seems strange to have a region of Wales described in terms of an English town. Indeed, why Hoylake, which is ten miles from the border, rather than somewhere like Neston or Burton?
And why do the section titles apart from Anglesey include "In Wales"? Tributaries starting in England aside, it's obvious that we're talking about rivers in Wales, because that's in the title. I'd delete them but the omission of "In Wales" from the Anglesey section makes me wonder if there's some reason for it. Should it be "Mainland", instead? Dricherby ( talk) 11:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Is the table List of rivers in Wales#Longest rivers in Wales correct? According to the River Teifi article, at 76 miles long it is the longest river wholly within Wales, and therefore not the River Towy at 68 miles (the article says 75 miles). I know there are different ways in which the measurement is made or indeed estimated, but shouldn't the articles agree? Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:14, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I am going to have to resurrect this issue I am afraid, mainly because this item crops up all the time in pub-quizzes and Wikipedia finds itself as being quoted as the source for the "correct" answer. So I feel it is necessary for the information here to be as "right" on this matter as it is possible to be. The quoted sources seem light on real data (we are talking measurements after all despite the issues to be acknowledged with Definition of length) and the NRW source for the Tywi seems to now have disappeared. I shall attempt a rigorous search for definitive data on river lengths and then come back with the results. Tedmarynicz ( talk) 11:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
(L) and (R) are explained but (M) suddenly appears out of nowhere when discussing Nant Gwrtheyrn and Afonydd Geirch, Amwlch and Pen-y-graig. It would be good to have that explained for those like me who are not quite sure what it signifies. Thanks. Gwyddno 21:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the clarification Gwyddno 14:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwyddno ( talk • contribs)