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Why on the Tony Harrison bit does it state "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!" so much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.222.182 ( talk) 11:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
1.Reference both Howard's and Fossil's entries 2.Prune back some of the more in-universe jokes and scour every single interview, commentary and special feature to find some back-ground info (see The Hitcher about being based on people etc) This really shouldn't be difficult for Howard, Vince, Naboo, etc but we really could use some. Especially if we want to spilt them into separate articles... 3.Resize the images to fit better in each character's entry and get individual ones for characters with more than one person in the photo.
Anything else you other two can think of? (NOTE:Just saying this because it seems like Thom, Lemons and myself are the only ones working on it. Agent452 ( talk) 22:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Hiya, thanks for all your work on this. One character that's missing is Leroy; he's mentioned several times but never actually seen - E.G. "I spoke to Leroy, he said he saw you dancing for Fossil..." I'd put him in myself but can't remeber exactly when the appearances where and won't have a lot of time to check them until next week sometime. JamieH ( talk) 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I was curious about the reasoning behind this page so I decided to do wee look around:
Fawlty Towers has its characters listed with separate headings within the main page. Fair enough as there is unlikely to be much further material there.
Boston legal has completely separate pages for most of its characters.
Blackadder also has compleetely separate pages for its pagescharacters.
Man About the House (Six series/years running and two spin-offs each with multiple series) simply has a cast list and no separate listings for each character either within the page or stand-alone.
The Young Ones has its characters listed with separate headings within the main page. See Fawlty Towers above.
Are there any other comedy shows that have "List of recurring characters from.." pages that groups main characters with minor characters? Isn't a standard format desirable?
--Josh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.192.23 ( talk) 01:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone object if I go through and standardise the first/second lines of each entry? As it stands there are still some entries that do not follow the: "X is a fictional character portrayed by Y" standard. i.e. The Hitcher, Bob Fossil & Howard Moon. I'm inclined towards the "X(Y(&Z))" as used for Moon & Fossil myself but I think the "as portrayed" standard is quite common in Wikipedia. Any ideas/preferences?
130.123.192.23 ( talk) 22:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Josh
It would also be nice to standardise some other things. The following is not an exhaustive list (feel free to add to it):
Josh 1bj05hua ( talk) 23:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Mrs. Gideon has appeared in only a few episodes in the first episode. Can she be considered a recurring character? Was she even in the radio series? -- 86.12.232.113 ( talk) 21:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:MightBooshTonyHarrison&Saboo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 16:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Can I make separate pages for Howard moon, Vince Noir, Naboo and bollo? Also wich user template would I use? JordanAshley ( talk) 09:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I have devided the aritcle for naboo up on my sandbox for the actuly article and I think I've got the sourcing right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JordanAshley ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
There have been a number of contradictory claims made concerning the actor's relationship to other cast members. Any further edits on the matter need a proper citation. OrangeDog ( talk) 14:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Please be specific. Which of the ten were violated? Which images were not given rationales? What changes need to be made to allow the images to stay?
Sorry, but we're all busy. Cbsite ( talk) 13:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
They are characters and they recur therefore they should be on this list 82.1.68.117 ( talk) 16:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Not to cast aspersions on this person's contribution, but I'm not familiar with the character, Tony Halliwell is not listed in the credits at the end of the show - like Kirk - and searching the web brings up nothing about either the character or the actor. Radiopathy ( talk) 11:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Do we want to start putting images in again, or do you think there will be fair use issues? Radiopathy ( talk) 14:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Just watched Nanageddon. The bingo caller is not Bob Fossil - the voice is slightly different and he's not wearing the usual blue suit. It appears to just be another character played by Rich Fulcher. OrangeDog ( talk) 17:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Should he be referred to here as "Sir," since he wasn't apparently knighted during his time on the TV show? His knighthood was only just revealed in The Mighty Book of Boosh. Radiopathy ( talk) 01:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we link directly to other sections on this page [[#Naboo the Enigma]], or go via the current redirects [[Naboo (character)]]? The latter makes more semantic sense and would help if separate articles were ever made, the former avoids possible link cycles and dab problems. OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 11:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed
It is also revealed in the episode Journey to the Centre of the Punk that Bollo suffers from asthma.
because a) I don't know if it's true and b) the person who put it in also used the wrong citation and damaged The Call of the Yeti citation. Radiopathy ( talk) 02:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it absolutely necessary to have "So-and-so is a fictional character" for every single entry? Seems quite pointless for a fictional TV show. PacificBoy 05:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
All of the non-free images in this article have been tagged for speedy deletion. If anyone objects, please weigh in on each file's talk page. Radiopathy •talk• 04:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Each image has a rationale, and the proper copyright credits. And from the history it looks like your argument has been tried unsuccessful in the past. Radiopathy •talk• 18:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
"One character, one image" is not acceptable fair use. Find a cast picture. Read Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles. We've debated this for a LONG time across a lot of articles. Result; images get removed. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 21:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I feel that the arguments offered, and the policy itself, are too weak and vague to justify deleting the images. The nominator used the loophole of "orphaning" the images first before tagging them for deletion - I think that's a rather questionable tactic. Radiopathy •talk• 01:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid certain users, including some admins, simply don't (or won't) see significance in images that many others can plainly see the relevance of. If you guys sincerely believe you have followed the guidance at WP:NFC#Non-free image use in list articles and selected only the most important/representative/meaningful images, dotted every i and crossed every t, and that these images genuinely do "significantly add to the understanding a reader gets from the article"; if you are absolutely confident that all those conditions are met, then probably your best bet is to demand the images be taken to WP:FFD, and have their significance put before the community to decide. Because otherwise you're just beating your heads against a stone wall with some of these users.
As set out quite well by Wikipedia Signpost, WP:NFC represents a balance getting as much as possible of the "sum of all knowledge" into Wikipedia, and still making sure that knowledge can be disseminated as widely as possible. The balancing line WP:NFC was constructed on was to ask: what could a verbatim U.S. commercial republisher of Wikipedia be sure would still be accepted as fair use by a U.S. court, if they could not rely on WP's status as an educational non-profit-making charity, but had to make their case as a commercial concern. That line was felt to maximise the "sum of all knowledge" and yet preserve the maximum degree of easy automated reusability.
Unfortunately, there is an ideological faction that does not accept that compromise, but sees all fair-use content on Wikipedia as their enemy, to be battered, bullied or otherwise suppressed to as little as they can possible manage -- regardless of the collateral damage. (And to be fair, there are others who simply don't see how knowing or being reminded what a character looks like adds understanding). Unfortunately also, the people for whom deletion is their mission tend to congregate around the project's deletion processes. (Why rob banks? Because that's where the money is.) So if you do go to FFD, be sure to let relevant Wikiprojects know (because they tend to have more of a sense of what is and is not significant, and to be more reflective of the community as a whole), because there are people out there who will say "Fails NFCC#8" to any image used simply to identify a character, whatever the "Use in Lists" guideline says. You will need to be establish that the images shown really are the most important/representative/meaningful. And even then you may well need to push it through DRV as well, because there are some admins who will reject even an ovewhelming community view that particular images are significant.
But otherwise the intransigence you've been seeing on this page will just go on indefinitely until the page gets locked down and the images get speedied for not being in use. The people who want to delete these images simply don't care about readers' understanding of the Mighty Boosh. It doesn't even make it on to their agenda. Jheald ( talk) 18:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it "Board of Shamen" or "Board of Shaman"? Both are here. PurpleChez ( talk) 12:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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Why on the Tony Harrison bit does it state "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!" so much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.222.182 ( talk) 11:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
1.Reference both Howard's and Fossil's entries 2.Prune back some of the more in-universe jokes and scour every single interview, commentary and special feature to find some back-ground info (see The Hitcher about being based on people etc) This really shouldn't be difficult for Howard, Vince, Naboo, etc but we really could use some. Especially if we want to spilt them into separate articles... 3.Resize the images to fit better in each character's entry and get individual ones for characters with more than one person in the photo.
Anything else you other two can think of? (NOTE:Just saying this because it seems like Thom, Lemons and myself are the only ones working on it. Agent452 ( talk) 22:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Hiya, thanks for all your work on this. One character that's missing is Leroy; he's mentioned several times but never actually seen - E.G. "I spoke to Leroy, he said he saw you dancing for Fossil..." I'd put him in myself but can't remeber exactly when the appearances where and won't have a lot of time to check them until next week sometime. JamieH ( talk) 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I was curious about the reasoning behind this page so I decided to do wee look around:
Fawlty Towers has its characters listed with separate headings within the main page. Fair enough as there is unlikely to be much further material there.
Boston legal has completely separate pages for most of its characters.
Blackadder also has compleetely separate pages for its pagescharacters.
Man About the House (Six series/years running and two spin-offs each with multiple series) simply has a cast list and no separate listings for each character either within the page or stand-alone.
The Young Ones has its characters listed with separate headings within the main page. See Fawlty Towers above.
Are there any other comedy shows that have "List of recurring characters from.." pages that groups main characters with minor characters? Isn't a standard format desirable?
--Josh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.192.23 ( talk) 01:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone object if I go through and standardise the first/second lines of each entry? As it stands there are still some entries that do not follow the: "X is a fictional character portrayed by Y" standard. i.e. The Hitcher, Bob Fossil & Howard Moon. I'm inclined towards the "X(Y(&Z))" as used for Moon & Fossil myself but I think the "as portrayed" standard is quite common in Wikipedia. Any ideas/preferences?
130.123.192.23 ( talk) 22:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Josh
It would also be nice to standardise some other things. The following is not an exhaustive list (feel free to add to it):
Josh 1bj05hua ( talk) 23:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Mrs. Gideon has appeared in only a few episodes in the first episode. Can she be considered a recurring character? Was she even in the radio series? -- 86.12.232.113 ( talk) 21:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Image:MightBooshTonyHarrison&Saboo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 16:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Can I make separate pages for Howard moon, Vince Noir, Naboo and bollo? Also wich user template would I use? JordanAshley ( talk) 09:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I have devided the aritcle for naboo up on my sandbox for the actuly article and I think I've got the sourcing right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JordanAshley ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
There have been a number of contradictory claims made concerning the actor's relationship to other cast members. Any further edits on the matter need a proper citation. OrangeDog ( talk) 14:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Please be specific. Which of the ten were violated? Which images were not given rationales? What changes need to be made to allow the images to stay?
Sorry, but we're all busy. Cbsite ( talk) 13:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
They are characters and they recur therefore they should be on this list 82.1.68.117 ( talk) 16:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Not to cast aspersions on this person's contribution, but I'm not familiar with the character, Tony Halliwell is not listed in the credits at the end of the show - like Kirk - and searching the web brings up nothing about either the character or the actor. Radiopathy ( talk) 11:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Do we want to start putting images in again, or do you think there will be fair use issues? Radiopathy ( talk) 14:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Just watched Nanageddon. The bingo caller is not Bob Fossil - the voice is slightly different and he's not wearing the usual blue suit. It appears to just be another character played by Rich Fulcher. OrangeDog ( talk) 17:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Should he be referred to here as "Sir," since he wasn't apparently knighted during his time on the TV show? His knighthood was only just revealed in The Mighty Book of Boosh. Radiopathy ( talk) 01:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we link directly to other sections on this page [[#Naboo the Enigma]], or go via the current redirects [[Naboo (character)]]? The latter makes more semantic sense and would help if separate articles were ever made, the former avoids possible link cycles and dab problems. OrangeDog ( talk • edits) 11:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed
It is also revealed in the episode Journey to the Centre of the Punk that Bollo suffers from asthma.
because a) I don't know if it's true and b) the person who put it in also used the wrong citation and damaged The Call of the Yeti citation. Radiopathy ( talk) 02:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it absolutely necessary to have "So-and-so is a fictional character" for every single entry? Seems quite pointless for a fictional TV show. PacificBoy 05:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
All of the non-free images in this article have been tagged for speedy deletion. If anyone objects, please weigh in on each file's talk page. Radiopathy •talk• 04:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Each image has a rationale, and the proper copyright credits. And from the history it looks like your argument has been tried unsuccessful in the past. Radiopathy •talk• 18:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
"One character, one image" is not acceptable fair use. Find a cast picture. Read Wikipedia:NFC#Non-free_image_use_in_list_articles. We've debated this for a LONG time across a lot of articles. Result; images get removed. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 21:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) I feel that the arguments offered, and the policy itself, are too weak and vague to justify deleting the images. The nominator used the loophole of "orphaning" the images first before tagging them for deletion - I think that's a rather questionable tactic. Radiopathy •talk• 01:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid certain users, including some admins, simply don't (or won't) see significance in images that many others can plainly see the relevance of. If you guys sincerely believe you have followed the guidance at WP:NFC#Non-free image use in list articles and selected only the most important/representative/meaningful images, dotted every i and crossed every t, and that these images genuinely do "significantly add to the understanding a reader gets from the article"; if you are absolutely confident that all those conditions are met, then probably your best bet is to demand the images be taken to WP:FFD, and have their significance put before the community to decide. Because otherwise you're just beating your heads against a stone wall with some of these users.
As set out quite well by Wikipedia Signpost, WP:NFC represents a balance getting as much as possible of the "sum of all knowledge" into Wikipedia, and still making sure that knowledge can be disseminated as widely as possible. The balancing line WP:NFC was constructed on was to ask: what could a verbatim U.S. commercial republisher of Wikipedia be sure would still be accepted as fair use by a U.S. court, if they could not rely on WP's status as an educational non-profit-making charity, but had to make their case as a commercial concern. That line was felt to maximise the "sum of all knowledge" and yet preserve the maximum degree of easy automated reusability.
Unfortunately, there is an ideological faction that does not accept that compromise, but sees all fair-use content on Wikipedia as their enemy, to be battered, bullied or otherwise suppressed to as little as they can possible manage -- regardless of the collateral damage. (And to be fair, there are others who simply don't see how knowing or being reminded what a character looks like adds understanding). Unfortunately also, the people for whom deletion is their mission tend to congregate around the project's deletion processes. (Why rob banks? Because that's where the money is.) So if you do go to FFD, be sure to let relevant Wikiprojects know (because they tend to have more of a sense of what is and is not significant, and to be more reflective of the community as a whole), because there are people out there who will say "Fails NFCC#8" to any image used simply to identify a character, whatever the "Use in Lists" guideline says. You will need to be establish that the images shown really are the most important/representative/meaningful. And even then you may well need to push it through DRV as well, because there are some admins who will reject even an ovewhelming community view that particular images are significant.
But otherwise the intransigence you've been seeing on this page will just go on indefinitely until the page gets locked down and the images get speedied for not being in use. The people who want to delete these images simply don't care about readers' understanding of the Mighty Boosh. It doesn't even make it on to their agenda. Jheald ( talk) 18:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it "Board of Shamen" or "Board of Shaman"? Both are here. PurpleChez ( talk) 12:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)