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Is there any value in the table being sortable? The only field for which I can see any value to sorting it at the moment is by party, since dates don't sort correctly without a bit of work reformatting them, and names would have to be reorganised to get them to sort by surname.- gadfium 03:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I have sent an email to the office of the Prime Minister asking about the copyright status of all the pictures on the Former Prime Ministers section of the website, and requesting that all photos still under copyright be released under a GFDL-compatible license. -- superioridad ( discusión) 05:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
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NZ Govt lawyers said the licence above was not intended to allow wholesale commercial exploitation. The Prime Minister's office still hasn't responded; I'm going to resend that email. -- superioridad ( discusión) 07:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I want to add which parliament each PM presided over to the list, but I don't have the dates of formation/dissolution of each parliament. Could anyone direct me to a source that does? -- superioridad ( discusión) 10:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Here dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_New_Zealand#Terms_of_Parliament 118.93.172.68 ( talk) 06:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The article is currently silent on James FitzGerald and Thomas Forsaith, who have led the first two ministries. I'm thinking of doing the following:
Alternatively, they could go into the same table; see for example Mayor of Wellington where both chairmen and mayors are listed in the same table. Any thoughts? Schwede 66 18:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi The Celestial City, good work tidying this up. Rather than referring to colours by their hex number, are you aware of Wikipedia:Index of New Zealand political party meta attributes? For the National Party for example, bgcolor={{New Zealand National Party/meta/color}} should achieve the same thing, but without the risk of the shading being different compared to other pages, as it uses the template. Schwede 66 22:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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Why are the colonial Premiers listed on here as Prime Ministers? The two positions are not linked in any way and should have its own separate article. The first New Zealand Prime Minister was only in 1906 so that's where the list should start from.-- 101.165.174.13 ( talk) 21:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
There have been several attempts to add Winston Peters to this list which have resulted in abrupt reverts. I think it would pertinent to start a discussion here about the inclusivity issues surrounding Peters and hopefully avoid edit wars. What are peoples thoughts for/against Peters inclusion in the list? Kiwichris ( talk) 04:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Various editors have, over time, added Winston Peters as acting prime minister. These edits have all been reverted. Here's a list of those edits: 22 June 2018, 25 June 2018, and 30 September 2018. Watt is different because Kirk died in office; that used to be explained in the prose but that background info has gone missing. Katya2017, if you want to change the practise of what we are doing on this page, I suggest you obtain consensus on the talk page first. Note that lots of deputies have acted as PMs as this happens commonly when the PM itself is overseas (Ardern was, of course, absent for a different reason). Schwede 66 02:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Can I suggest changing the image of Ardern in the table from
This to
This?
Just as it’s slightly newer and it’s used in the infobox of Jacinda’a article. What does everyone think? Politicsnerd123 ( talk) 23:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Please undo my previous edit. I made this edit on mobile, thinking there was no reference list. However, it seems that the issue is actually that this page does not display properly on mobile (or at least on the Firefox app). Because of this issue it seems can't undo my edit myself. Sorry! 151.210.162.182 ( talk) 05:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC) Just checked in Chrome and it also doesn't display properly in there either — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.210.162.182 ( talk) 05:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Should acting prime minister Winston Peters be incorporated into this list of prime ministers of New Zealand? Katya2017 ( talk) 02:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
This RfC continues from a stalled discussion dating back to 2020 listed further up this talk page. An editor holds that Winston Peters does not belong on this list as he was the acting prime minister rather than the constitutional prime minister. I believe he does belong on this list for the following reasons:
I welcome further comments on the matter. Thanks. Katya2017 ( talk) 02:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
was not "Prime Minister", and was rather "Acting Prime Minister" (as Ardern was still "Prime Minister" while on maternity leave). The only thing that stalled was you not finding support from a single editor. All the arguments against this idea are laid out in the discussion above. I suggest you just let this idea go. I should add that the article has since gone through a featured list review and none of the reviewers brought up the issue that Peters is somehow missing from the list (and I assume that FL reviewers do look at an article's talk page as part of their review). Schwede 66 04:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
An ancestry section was added on 14 November 2022 by an IP editor and Barnards.tar.gz just removed this again. Good on you. I had somehow missed that; it's totally inappropriate to have an unreferenced section in an FL. Schwede 66 01:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
This viz could be embedded: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/andrew.eberhard/viz/PMs/Dashboard1?publish=yes 130.216.96.107 ( talk) 02:09, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Is there any value in the table being sortable? The only field for which I can see any value to sorting it at the moment is by party, since dates don't sort correctly without a bit of work reformatting them, and names would have to be reorganised to get them to sort by surname.- gadfium 03:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I have sent an email to the office of the Prime Minister asking about the copyright status of all the pictures on the Former Prime Ministers section of the website, and requesting that all photos still under copyright be released under a GFDL-compatible license. -- superioridad ( discusión) 05:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Material on New Zealand government web sites is subject to Crown copyright protection or is licensed to the Crown. This material may be used, copied and re-distributed free of charge in any format or media. Where the material is used, the source and copyright status must be acknowledged (eg © Crown copyright). This permission does not extend to material on web sites linked to from newzealand.govt.nz. That material may only be used in accordance with the copyright notice on the web site concerned.
NZ Govt lawyers said the licence above was not intended to allow wholesale commercial exploitation. The Prime Minister's office still hasn't responded; I'm going to resend that email. -- superioridad ( discusión) 07:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I want to add which parliament each PM presided over to the list, but I don't have the dates of formation/dissolution of each parliament. Could anyone direct me to a source that does? -- superioridad ( discusión) 10:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Here dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_New_Zealand#Terms_of_Parliament 118.93.172.68 ( talk) 06:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
The article is currently silent on James FitzGerald and Thomas Forsaith, who have led the first two ministries. I'm thinking of doing the following:
Alternatively, they could go into the same table; see for example Mayor of Wellington where both chairmen and mayors are listed in the same table. Any thoughts? Schwede 66 18:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi The Celestial City, good work tidying this up. Rather than referring to colours by their hex number, are you aware of Wikipedia:Index of New Zealand political party meta attributes? For the National Party for example, bgcolor={{New Zealand National Party/meta/color}} should achieve the same thing, but without the risk of the shading being different compared to other pages, as it uses the template. Schwede 66 22:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The image File:DavidLange.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --08:02, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Why are the colonial Premiers listed on here as Prime Ministers? The two positions are not linked in any way and should have its own separate article. The first New Zealand Prime Minister was only in 1906 so that's where the list should start from.-- 101.165.174.13 ( talk) 21:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
There have been several attempts to add Winston Peters to this list which have resulted in abrupt reverts. I think it would pertinent to start a discussion here about the inclusivity issues surrounding Peters and hopefully avoid edit wars. What are peoples thoughts for/against Peters inclusion in the list? Kiwichris ( talk) 04:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Various editors have, over time, added Winston Peters as acting prime minister. These edits have all been reverted. Here's a list of those edits: 22 June 2018, 25 June 2018, and 30 September 2018. Watt is different because Kirk died in office; that used to be explained in the prose but that background info has gone missing. Katya2017, if you want to change the practise of what we are doing on this page, I suggest you obtain consensus on the talk page first. Note that lots of deputies have acted as PMs as this happens commonly when the PM itself is overseas (Ardern was, of course, absent for a different reason). Schwede 66 02:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Can I suggest changing the image of Ardern in the table from
This to
This?
Just as it’s slightly newer and it’s used in the infobox of Jacinda’a article. What does everyone think? Politicsnerd123 ( talk) 23:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Please undo my previous edit. I made this edit on mobile, thinking there was no reference list. However, it seems that the issue is actually that this page does not display properly on mobile (or at least on the Firefox app). Because of this issue it seems can't undo my edit myself. Sorry! 151.210.162.182 ( talk) 05:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC) Just checked in Chrome and it also doesn't display properly in there either — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.210.162.182 ( talk) 05:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Should acting prime minister Winston Peters be incorporated into this list of prime ministers of New Zealand? Katya2017 ( talk) 02:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
This RfC continues from a stalled discussion dating back to 2020 listed further up this talk page. An editor holds that Winston Peters does not belong on this list as he was the acting prime minister rather than the constitutional prime minister. I believe he does belong on this list for the following reasons:
I welcome further comments on the matter. Thanks. Katya2017 ( talk) 02:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
was not "Prime Minister", and was rather "Acting Prime Minister" (as Ardern was still "Prime Minister" while on maternity leave). The only thing that stalled was you not finding support from a single editor. All the arguments against this idea are laid out in the discussion above. I suggest you just let this idea go. I should add that the article has since gone through a featured list review and none of the reviewers brought up the issue that Peters is somehow missing from the list (and I assume that FL reviewers do look at an article's talk page as part of their review). Schwede 66 04:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
An ancestry section was added on 14 November 2022 by an IP editor and Barnards.tar.gz just removed this again. Good on you. I had somehow missed that; it's totally inappropriate to have an unreferenced section in an FL. Schwede 66 01:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
This viz could be embedded: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/andrew.eberhard/viz/PMs/Dashboard1?publish=yes 130.216.96.107 ( talk) 02:09, 18 August 2023 (UTC)