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I found a prime minister called Ahmad al-Sayari from Yemen who was possibly born somewhere someday in 1924 according to the List of heads of government of Yemen article, but I removed it because there was no reliable source claiming this guy was 99 years old, I don’t think he’s still living , but he might be.
I’d put him in the ‘’unclear status/DoB article as he was prime minister of the Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen in 1962-1962. In exile. So, dear community, does this person count.
He may in fact be born in early Jan or Feb 1924 and be older than Khamtai Siphandone. 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 12:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
How should they be handled? This issue is complicated by retroactive nationalism, e.g. the Polish government-in-exile, widely unrecognised after 1945, is retrospectively considered the "real" government of Poland for that period by the modern Third Polish Republic. AUSPOLLIE ( talk) 09:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [1] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [2] and some other sources [3] [4] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion below |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion below |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Luis Leoro Franco | Ecuador | Member of Supreme Government Council (1976-1979) | 11 January 1934 | 1925? No citation Unclear status list |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [5]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
2. Upcoming (1933) - now on the list above
StjepanHR (
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22:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to reduce the above list by consolidating categories? For example the 'Highly unlikely' and 'Unlikely' groups could probably be merged at this point. An alternative might be to separate out the entries that have been struck through and put those that haven't in their own section? I think either would make it quite a bit clearer which ones have been 'dealt with' and which still need to be. 217.155.59.206 ( talk) 20:28, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Is there any way to check if this is "our" Dr. Feliciano Avelar? [7] Name and surname are not exactly unique, but he is approximately of the same age as the junta member in question. StjepanHR ( talk) 04:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to check if this is "our" Dr. Feliciano Avelar? [8] Name and surname are not exactly unique, but he is approximately of the same age as the junta member in question. StjepanHR ( talk) 04:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I propose his removal from the unproven possibilities list for the following reason:
Any other opinions? StjepanHR ( talk) 04:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I propose his removal for the following reasons:
StjepanHR ( talk) 04:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I know : Soviet leaders don’t count. But we can have a section called ==Heads of state who ruled independent countries before their independence== with their own addendum and everything
List:
‘*MR.’ Arnold Rüütel, Estonia (born 10 May 1928)- In list
JANIS VAGRIS- discussed (17 October 1930) VAINO VALJAS- discussed (March 1931)
That’s all, don’t think will qualify but this can get created: List of oldest living past-independence state leaders of countries that are now independent or list of List of Soviet politic veterans, which will include them. 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 13:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible that this is the former captain-regent? [9] Plus, there is this video: [10] . Sadly, I don't understand Italian well enough to conculde anything fron the interview. His name is also written as "Severino" here: [11] StjepanHR ( talk) 07:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Aditionally, there are 100 people with the surname Tura in San Marino: [12] and both Severino and Severiano are quite uncommon names (less than 13 men in the whole country): [13]
While not a valid update, he was alive in October 1999, as he appeared on a court: [19] and his phone number is listed online: [20]. I think this indicates there is a good possibility of him being alive and maybe some more digging could be useful (by someone fluent in Spanish?). EDIT: I managed to miss a court case from January 2006: [21], although it is still seven years too old. StjepanHR ( talk) 01:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Is EfeméridesSV considered to be a good enough source? They claim that the leader in question died in 1990: [22] . Plus, there is this: [23] StjepanHR ( talk) 08:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Why aren't Queen Elizabeth II or any of the other oldest reigning monarchs listed ? Queen Elizabeth was head of state and would come in at #11 in the table. Marlarkey ( talk) 22:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Officially, a "state" in this case is country that is run by its own government or in lieu by a representative. TheCorriynial ( talk) 22:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Ali Haroun (born 8 February 1927) was a member of the High Council of State which ruled Algeria from 1992-1994. Although the successive chairmen of that body appear alone in the List of heads of state of Algeria, the article on the Council describes it as a collective presidency. Thus it seems he could be included alongside members of juntas in the unlcear status list, if we can find confirmation of him being alive. I'm inclined to add him to the unproven possibilities table above. The only other member of the Council apparently alive, Major General Khaled Nezzar is not yet old enough for inclusion, but seems to have a higher profile, so when the time comes he may be easier to find a source for. 217.155.59.206 ( talk) 13:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial ( talk) 14:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
According to the page 8 of Jet magazine from 10 November 1960, Mr. Bolte was living in exile in New York. A man with the same name died in New Jersey in 1989: [24]. It seems that there are about 2500 people with the surname Bolte in the USA nowadays and that there are 100 000 men named Max in the USA (approximately 1 in 3000 people), meaning there is good possiblity that this is "our" Max Bolte. Can anybody check MyHeritage for more details? StjepanHR ( talk) 00:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
According to this, he is dead: [25]
I would like to hear more opinion on reliability of the source, as it lists Pascal Bima as living (died in 2003 according to [26]), as well as Jean-Michel Ebaka (died 2019). Is it possibly the article confused Bima and Mbia?
Additional source: [27] . Comment by Jules Oncle. And this: [28]
Do you think this is enough to cross him off the list? StjepanHR ( talk) 01:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
This source lists Bill as alive in 2022, if someone wishes to update him: https://www2.cbn.com/news/news/85-year-old-atheist-bill-hayden-explains-why-he-converted-christianity TheCorriynial ( talk) 00:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC) Edward is listed as attending an event here in 2022: https://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/120395 Im not currently able to edit, but for someone wanting to update the list, here you are.
Its been over twenty years since he was last seemed he was still around. And his article mentioned he wasn't in great shape at the time he was replaced, And with the fact NK could have been expected to have announced his death, might imply there was some kind of falling out. Its probably safe to assume he probably should be removed, as no evidence has been found. TheCorriynial ( talk) 04:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial ( talk) 00:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
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Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Paulin Obame-Nguema | Gabon | Prime Minister (1994–1996) | 28 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [31] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [32] and some other sources [33] [34] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion here |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Laurence Greig | Cook Islands | Acting Queen's Representative (2000-2001) | 24 February 1929 | No citatation Articles on status and monarchy of Cooks suggest QR position qualifies. |
Karan Singh | Jammu & Kashmir (princely state) |
Prince Regent (1949–1952) | 9 March 1931 | See discussion below. Unclear status list. |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [35]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I think we can cross him for good:
I will leave few days for other users to leave their opinion. StjepanHR ( talk) 11:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
IMHO, he should be excluded, as the junta had a clear leader. StjepanHR ( talk) 14:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
I appreciate it may be a little too soon for this, but I've put together the following list of 1935 births, who will start to be eligible for inclusion in the article within a few months. To make sure I found as many as possible, I went through the articles on heads of state and heads of government for each state in turn. Of course I may nonetheless have missed some, so additions would be welcome. Any sources that can be found that's newer or better is also welcome.
Name | State | Position | Birth | Note/sources |
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Giovanni Lajolo | Vatican | President of the Governorate (2006–2011) | 3 January 1935 | Unclear status list |
António Ramalho Eanes | Portugal | President of the Revolutionary Council (1976–1982) President (1976–1986) |
25 January 1935 | [38] |
Brian Mullooly | Ireland | Member of the Presidential Commission during vacancy (1997) | 21 February 1935 | unclear status list |
Artur Rasizade | Azerbaijan | Prime Minister (1996–2003, 2003–2018) | 26 February 1935 | [39] Better source if possible is needed. |
Mohammed Basindawa | Yemen | Prime Minister (2011–2014) | 4 April 1935 | |
Peter Hollingworth | Australia | Governor-General (2002–2003) | 10 April 1935 | [40] Slightly better source could be welcome. |
P. J. Patterson | Jamaica | Prime Minister (1992–2006) | 10 April 1935 | [41] |
Sharavyn Gungaadorj | Mongolian People's Republic | Prime Minister (1990) | 2 May 1935 | Needs a source, article does mention he runs a Agropro, maybe they have chair person list or have been in the news. |
Nemesi Marqués Oste | Andorra | Representative of the Episcopal Co-Prince (1993–2012) | 17 May 1935 | |
José Mujica | Uruguay | President (2010–2015) | 20 May 1935 | [42] He speaks a lot to press, newer sources could be used. |
Léon Kengo wa Dondo | Zaire | First State Commissioner (1982–1986, 1988–1990); Prime Minster (1994–1997) |
22 May 1935 | |
Sultan Ali Keshtmand | Afghanistan (Democratic Republic of) | Prime Minister (1981–1988, 1989–1990) | 22 May 1935 | [43] |
Jim Bolger | New Zealand | Prime Minister (1990–1997) | 31 May 1935 | [44] |
Lee Hoi-chang | South Korea | Prime Minister (1993–1994) | 2 June 1935 | Needs source that mentions him not running for president. |
Rodrigo Borja Cevallos | Ecuador | President (1988–1992) | 19 June 1935 | Source is needed. |
Tenzin Gyatso | Tibet | Ruler (1950–1959) Dalai Lama (1937–present) |
6 July 1935 | Unclear status list? [45], although he has been in the news lately. |
Hifikepunye Pohamba | Namibia | President (2005–2015) | 18 August 1935 | [46] |
Abdou Diouf | Senegal | Prime Minister (1970–1980) President (1981–2000) |
7 September 1935 | [47] Better source if possible is needed. |
Henri Benoit de Coignac | Andorra | French Viguier (1982–1984) | 3 October 1935 | |
Daniel Williams | Grenada | Governor-General (1996–2008) | 4 November 1935 | |
Young Vivian | Niue | Premier (1992–1993, 2002–2008) | 12 November 1935 | Unclear status list |
Mahmoud Abbas | Palestine | President (2005–present) Prime Minister (2003) Chairman PLO (2004–present) |
15 November 1935 | |
Stojan Andov | Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of) | Acting President (1995) | 30 November 1935 | [49] |
Adnan Badran | Jordan | Prime Minister (2005) | 15 December 1935 | [50] confirmation needed. |
Edward Schreyer | Canada | Governor General (1979–1984) | 21 December 1935 | [51] |
Salman | Saudi Arabia | King (2015–present) Prime Minister (2015–2022) |
31 December 1935 | [52], although I assume he has more recent news out there. |
Al-Jazuli Daf'allah | Sudan | Prime Minister (1985–1986) | December 1935 | Unclear DoB list |
Leonel Mário d'Alva | São Tomé and Príncipe | Acting President (1991) | 1935 | Unclear DoB list |
Mohammed Ali Salim | Libya | Acting President (2012) | 1935 | Unclear DoB/status list |
2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 ( talk) 12:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Per the rules of the article "A source within the last ten years." The current one is 2011. So as it sits, they should be off the list until something is found, then added back if found. Would need to find one soon though... TheCorriynial ( talk) 22:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Thoughts/input?
Star Garnet ( talk) 00:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | Added to main list 22/9/2023 |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | Added to main list 21/10/2023 |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Paulin Obame-Nguema | Gabon | Prime Minister (1994–1996) | 28 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
– And again.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Why is the limit for a source for beeing alive 10 years? This is a very long time. Wouldn't be better five years? 2003:E9:270E:B8DD:A4F2:B6BD:3B21:ED32 ( talk) 18:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Normaly you will find some notices around birthdays - exspecially on "round" ones (85, 90, 95). Ten years are a very long time and it's very suspicious when you don't have any notice for a long time. How often we had a notice about birthday or a death when we had more then five years after the last signe of live? For the candidates on the actuall list without a notice for more then five years I realy doubt that we will get a notice about there death... Maybe they are long dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:EA:EF2E:8701:592A:6BF6:A795:AEF5 ( talk) 12:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
With Rosalynn Carter in the news, several of the sources have also mentioned Jimmy as "Living with ailing husband", or on the statement "She continues to live happily at home with her husband". Could a news source like that be used at the same time? TheCorriynial ( talk) 02:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
President Carter passes Garner on September 18th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.38.126 ( talk) 01:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello again. Its been reported by CNN that Jimmy and Rosalynn were in a parade in Plains either yesterday or today, but its super soon after the NYT on the 21st, but if someone wishes to switch it to that, feel free to do so. TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Although I was against including him a couple of months ago, I tried reading more about the situation while he was in power and have (sort of) changed my opinion. Although the process of joining India was well underway while Singh was a ruler, it seems that it was completed in mid-1950s, which would qualify him for "unclear status" list. Any other opinion? StjepanHR ( talk) 15:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial (
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18:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Im confused now. If you look him up, his Spanish wiki doesn't collaborate with other sources. Other sites seem to say he's died either in 1990, 1989, but we have modern sources that have him up to 2020. Is he still living with certainty? TheCorriynial ( talk) 14:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Keep an eye out on the Spanish sources, as he's turned 100. I wouldn't be surprised if a government source or some source has something about him being 100.
We're now half a year out from the 10-year mark on the ref for Frank/Franck. There might be some media coverage of his 90th birthday, but I wouldn't count on it. I thought I might have a source from 2017, but it turned out to be a Belgian lawyer of the same name. We could also be in another Fred Degazon situation, where a leader lives out their life abroad rather anonymously, so it would be great if somebody finds something that I missed. For Yanes, how confident are we that his death will be covered by the media? There's this, which pretty reliably puts him alive in April 2021, but even 2+ years is quite a long time for someone who'd be 103, let alone the 5 years we have for a non-social media source. Star Garnet ( talk) 17:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
This list is updated when someone on the list dies, and he is still listed: [58]. Would You consider this to be enough for his inclusion? StjepanHR ( talk) 17:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Now that the page has been protected & reverted to its status quo. Perhaps 'now', the Mobile/IP editor will bring forward their proposal for making changes to how Saint Vincent and the Grenadines should be presented, in the column of countries. GoodDay ( talk) 01:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Im not totally aware of the Belgian Monarchs and their photos date, but this page for his wife's birthday, but is the photo recent (Near the top)? https://www.tatler.com/gallery/queen-paola-of-belgium-style TheCorriynial ( talk) 01:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
J.L. Malhautra | Sikkim | Acting Political Officer (1964) | 1915 | Unlikely position qualifies |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | Could this be him? [59] ; Obviously not, as there are sources of him being alive in 1965 |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [60] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [61] and some other sources [62] [63] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion here; [ [64]] claims that he didn't die in 2001, but simply retired |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Some sources indicate he might be dead: [65], [66] and [67] |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [68]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Postponing archive Star Garnet ( talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | Added to main list 22/9/2023 |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | Added to main list 21/10/2023 |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | Added to main list 29 (30, announced date in NZ)/12/2023 |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | Added to main list 1/1/2024 |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | Added to main list 28/2/2024 |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
– And again.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Postponing archive Star Garnet ( talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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I found a prime minister called Ahmad al-Sayari from Yemen who was possibly born somewhere someday in 1924 according to the List of heads of government of Yemen article, but I removed it because there was no reliable source claiming this guy was 99 years old, I don’t think he’s still living , but he might be.
I’d put him in the ‘’unclear status/DoB article as he was prime minister of the Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen in 1962-1962. In exile. So, dear community, does this person count.
He may in fact be born in early Jan or Feb 1924 and be older than Khamtai Siphandone. 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 12:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
How should they be handled? This issue is complicated by retroactive nationalism, e.g. the Polish government-in-exile, widely unrecognised after 1945, is retrospectively considered the "real" government of Poland for that period by the modern Third Polish Republic. AUSPOLLIE ( talk) 09:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [1] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [2] and some other sources [3] [4] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion below |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion below |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Luis Leoro Franco | Ecuador | Member of Supreme Government Council (1976-1979) | 11 January 1934 | 1925? No citation Unclear status list |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [5]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
2. Upcoming (1933) - now on the list above
StjepanHR (
talk)
22:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to reduce the above list by consolidating categories? For example the 'Highly unlikely' and 'Unlikely' groups could probably be merged at this point. An alternative might be to separate out the entries that have been struck through and put those that haven't in their own section? I think either would make it quite a bit clearer which ones have been 'dealt with' and which still need to be. 217.155.59.206 ( talk) 20:28, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Is there any way to check if this is "our" Dr. Feliciano Avelar? [7] Name and surname are not exactly unique, but he is approximately of the same age as the junta member in question. StjepanHR ( talk) 04:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to check if this is "our" Dr. Feliciano Avelar? [8] Name and surname are not exactly unique, but he is approximately of the same age as the junta member in question. StjepanHR ( talk) 04:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I propose his removal from the unproven possibilities list for the following reason:
Any other opinions? StjepanHR ( talk) 04:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I propose his removal for the following reasons:
StjepanHR ( talk) 04:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I know : Soviet leaders don’t count. But we can have a section called ==Heads of state who ruled independent countries before their independence== with their own addendum and everything
List:
‘*MR.’ Arnold Rüütel, Estonia (born 10 May 1928)- In list
JANIS VAGRIS- discussed (17 October 1930) VAINO VALJAS- discussed (March 1931)
That’s all, don’t think will qualify but this can get created: List of oldest living past-independence state leaders of countries that are now independent or list of List of Soviet politic veterans, which will include them. 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 13:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible that this is the former captain-regent? [9] Plus, there is this video: [10] . Sadly, I don't understand Italian well enough to conculde anything fron the interview. His name is also written as "Severino" here: [11] StjepanHR ( talk) 07:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Aditionally, there are 100 people with the surname Tura in San Marino: [12] and both Severino and Severiano are quite uncommon names (less than 13 men in the whole country): [13]
While not a valid update, he was alive in October 1999, as he appeared on a court: [19] and his phone number is listed online: [20]. I think this indicates there is a good possibility of him being alive and maybe some more digging could be useful (by someone fluent in Spanish?). EDIT: I managed to miss a court case from January 2006: [21], although it is still seven years too old. StjepanHR ( talk) 01:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Is EfeméridesSV considered to be a good enough source? They claim that the leader in question died in 1990: [22] . Plus, there is this: [23] StjepanHR ( talk) 08:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Why aren't Queen Elizabeth II or any of the other oldest reigning monarchs listed ? Queen Elizabeth was head of state and would come in at #11 in the table. Marlarkey ( talk) 22:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Officially, a "state" in this case is country that is run by its own government or in lieu by a representative. TheCorriynial ( talk) 22:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Ali Haroun (born 8 February 1927) was a member of the High Council of State which ruled Algeria from 1992-1994. Although the successive chairmen of that body appear alone in the List of heads of state of Algeria, the article on the Council describes it as a collective presidency. Thus it seems he could be included alongside members of juntas in the unlcear status list, if we can find confirmation of him being alive. I'm inclined to add him to the unproven possibilities table above. The only other member of the Council apparently alive, Major General Khaled Nezzar is not yet old enough for inclusion, but seems to have a higher profile, so when the time comes he may be easier to find a source for. 217.155.59.206 ( talk) 13:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial ( talk) 14:29, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
According to the page 8 of Jet magazine from 10 November 1960, Mr. Bolte was living in exile in New York. A man with the same name died in New Jersey in 1989: [24]. It seems that there are about 2500 people with the surname Bolte in the USA nowadays and that there are 100 000 men named Max in the USA (approximately 1 in 3000 people), meaning there is good possiblity that this is "our" Max Bolte. Can anybody check MyHeritage for more details? StjepanHR ( talk) 00:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
According to this, he is dead: [25]
I would like to hear more opinion on reliability of the source, as it lists Pascal Bima as living (died in 2003 according to [26]), as well as Jean-Michel Ebaka (died 2019). Is it possibly the article confused Bima and Mbia?
Additional source: [27] . Comment by Jules Oncle. And this: [28]
Do you think this is enough to cross him off the list? StjepanHR ( talk) 01:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
This source lists Bill as alive in 2022, if someone wishes to update him: https://www2.cbn.com/news/news/85-year-old-atheist-bill-hayden-explains-why-he-converted-christianity TheCorriynial ( talk) 00:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC) Edward is listed as attending an event here in 2022: https://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/120395 Im not currently able to edit, but for someone wanting to update the list, here you are.
Its been over twenty years since he was last seemed he was still around. And his article mentioned he wasn't in great shape at the time he was replaced, And with the fact NK could have been expected to have announced his death, might imply there was some kind of falling out. Its probably safe to assume he probably should be removed, as no evidence has been found. TheCorriynial ( talk) 04:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial ( talk) 00:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Paulin Obame-Nguema | Gabon | Prime Minister (1994–1996) | 28 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [31] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [32] and some other sources [33] [34] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion here |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Laurence Greig | Cook Islands | Acting Queen's Representative (2000-2001) | 24 February 1929 | No citatation Articles on status and monarchy of Cooks suggest QR position qualifies. |
Karan Singh | Jammu & Kashmir (princely state) |
Prince Regent (1949–1952) | 9 March 1931 | See discussion below. Unclear status list. |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [35]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I think we can cross him for good:
I will leave few days for other users to leave their opinion. StjepanHR ( talk) 11:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
IMHO, he should be excluded, as the junta had a clear leader. StjepanHR ( talk) 14:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
I appreciate it may be a little too soon for this, but I've put together the following list of 1935 births, who will start to be eligible for inclusion in the article within a few months. To make sure I found as many as possible, I went through the articles on heads of state and heads of government for each state in turn. Of course I may nonetheless have missed some, so additions would be welcome. Any sources that can be found that's newer or better is also welcome.
Name | State | Position | Birth | Note/sources |
---|---|---|---|---|
Giovanni Lajolo | Vatican | President of the Governorate (2006–2011) | 3 January 1935 | Unclear status list |
António Ramalho Eanes | Portugal | President of the Revolutionary Council (1976–1982) President (1976–1986) |
25 January 1935 | [38] |
Brian Mullooly | Ireland | Member of the Presidential Commission during vacancy (1997) | 21 February 1935 | unclear status list |
Artur Rasizade | Azerbaijan | Prime Minister (1996–2003, 2003–2018) | 26 February 1935 | [39] Better source if possible is needed. |
Mohammed Basindawa | Yemen | Prime Minister (2011–2014) | 4 April 1935 | |
Peter Hollingworth | Australia | Governor-General (2002–2003) | 10 April 1935 | [40] Slightly better source could be welcome. |
P. J. Patterson | Jamaica | Prime Minister (1992–2006) | 10 April 1935 | [41] |
Sharavyn Gungaadorj | Mongolian People's Republic | Prime Minister (1990) | 2 May 1935 | Needs a source, article does mention he runs a Agropro, maybe they have chair person list or have been in the news. |
Nemesi Marqués Oste | Andorra | Representative of the Episcopal Co-Prince (1993–2012) | 17 May 1935 | |
José Mujica | Uruguay | President (2010–2015) | 20 May 1935 | [42] He speaks a lot to press, newer sources could be used. |
Léon Kengo wa Dondo | Zaire | First State Commissioner (1982–1986, 1988–1990); Prime Minster (1994–1997) |
22 May 1935 | |
Sultan Ali Keshtmand | Afghanistan (Democratic Republic of) | Prime Minister (1981–1988, 1989–1990) | 22 May 1935 | [43] |
Jim Bolger | New Zealand | Prime Minister (1990–1997) | 31 May 1935 | [44] |
Lee Hoi-chang | South Korea | Prime Minister (1993–1994) | 2 June 1935 | Needs source that mentions him not running for president. |
Rodrigo Borja Cevallos | Ecuador | President (1988–1992) | 19 June 1935 | Source is needed. |
Tenzin Gyatso | Tibet | Ruler (1950–1959) Dalai Lama (1937–present) |
6 July 1935 | Unclear status list? [45], although he has been in the news lately. |
Hifikepunye Pohamba | Namibia | President (2005–2015) | 18 August 1935 | [46] |
Abdou Diouf | Senegal | Prime Minister (1970–1980) President (1981–2000) |
7 September 1935 | [47] Better source if possible is needed. |
Henri Benoit de Coignac | Andorra | French Viguier (1982–1984) | 3 October 1935 | |
Daniel Williams | Grenada | Governor-General (1996–2008) | 4 November 1935 | |
Young Vivian | Niue | Premier (1992–1993, 2002–2008) | 12 November 1935 | Unclear status list |
Mahmoud Abbas | Palestine | President (2005–present) Prime Minister (2003) Chairman PLO (2004–present) |
15 November 1935 | |
Stojan Andov | Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of) | Acting President (1995) | 30 November 1935 | [49] |
Adnan Badran | Jordan | Prime Minister (2005) | 15 December 1935 | [50] confirmation needed. |
Edward Schreyer | Canada | Governor General (1979–1984) | 21 December 1935 | [51] |
Salman | Saudi Arabia | King (2015–present) Prime Minister (2015–2022) |
31 December 1935 | [52], although I assume he has more recent news out there. |
Al-Jazuli Daf'allah | Sudan | Prime Minister (1985–1986) | December 1935 | Unclear DoB list |
Leonel Mário d'Alva | São Tomé and Príncipe | Acting President (1991) | 1935 | Unclear DoB list |
Mohammed Ali Salim | Libya | Acting President (2012) | 1935 | Unclear DoB/status list |
2A02:8012:227B:0:DDF6:42C0:DAA6:FD03 ( talk) 12:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Per the rules of the article "A source within the last ten years." The current one is 2011. So as it sits, they should be off the list until something is found, then added back if found. Would need to find one soon though... TheCorriynial ( talk) 22:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Thoughts/input?
Star Garnet ( talk) 00:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | Added to main list 22/9/2023 |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | Added to main list 21/10/2023 |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Paulin Obame-Nguema | Gabon | Prime Minister (1994–1996) | 28 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
– And again.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Why is the limit for a source for beeing alive 10 years? This is a very long time. Wouldn't be better five years? 2003:E9:270E:B8DD:A4F2:B6BD:3B21:ED32 ( talk) 18:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Normaly you will find some notices around birthdays - exspecially on "round" ones (85, 90, 95). Ten years are a very long time and it's very suspicious when you don't have any notice for a long time. How often we had a notice about birthday or a death when we had more then five years after the last signe of live? For the candidates on the actuall list without a notice for more then five years I realy doubt that we will get a notice about there death... Maybe they are long dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:EA:EF2E:8701:592A:6BF6:A795:AEF5 ( talk) 12:08, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
With Rosalynn Carter in the news, several of the sources have also mentioned Jimmy as "Living with ailing husband", or on the statement "She continues to live happily at home with her husband". Could a news source like that be used at the same time? TheCorriynial ( talk) 02:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
President Carter passes Garner on September 18th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.38.126 ( talk) 01:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello again. Its been reported by CNN that Jimmy and Rosalynn were in a parade in Plains either yesterday or today, but its super soon after the NYT on the 21st, but if someone wishes to switch it to that, feel free to do so. TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Although I was against including him a couple of months ago, I tried reading more about the situation while he was in power and have (sort of) changed my opinion. Although the process of joining India was well underway while Singh was a ruler, it seems that it was completed in mid-1950s, which would qualify him for "unclear status" list. Any other opinion? StjepanHR ( talk) 15:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
TheCorriynial (
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18:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Im confused now. If you look him up, his Spanish wiki doesn't collaborate with other sources. Other sites seem to say he's died either in 1990, 1989, but we have modern sources that have him up to 2020. Is he still living with certainty? TheCorriynial ( talk) 14:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Keep an eye out on the Spanish sources, as he's turned 100. I wouldn't be surprised if a government source or some source has something about him being 100.
We're now half a year out from the 10-year mark on the ref for Frank/Franck. There might be some media coverage of his 90th birthday, but I wouldn't count on it. I thought I might have a source from 2017, but it turned out to be a Belgian lawyer of the same name. We could also be in another Fred Degazon situation, where a leader lives out their life abroad rather anonymously, so it would be great if somebody finds something that I missed. For Yanes, how confident are we that his death will be covered by the media? There's this, which pretty reliably puts him alive in April 2021, but even 2+ years is quite a long time for someone who'd be 103, let alone the 5 years we have for a non-social media source. Star Garnet ( talk) 17:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
This list is updated when someone on the list dies, and he is still listed: [58]. Would You consider this to be enough for his inclusion? StjepanHR ( talk) 17:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Now that the page has been protected & reverted to its status quo. Perhaps 'now', the Mobile/IP editor will bring forward their proposal for making changes to how Saint Vincent and the Grenadines should be presented, in the column of countries. GoodDay ( talk) 01:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Im not totally aware of the Belgian Monarchs and their photos date, but this page for his wife's birthday, but is the photo recent (Near the top)? https://www.tatler.com/gallery/queen-paola-of-belgium-style TheCorriynial ( talk) 01:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
---|---|---|---|---|
Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Emmanuel Bruny | Haiti | Executive Government Council (1957) | 1915 | |
J.L. Malhautra | Sikkim | Acting Political Officer (1964) | 1915 | Unlikely position qualifies |
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | Could this be him? [59] ; Obviously not, as there are sources of him being alive in 1965 |
Avtar Singh | Sikkim | Political Officer (1964-1966) | 18 October 1921 | Unlikely position qualifies; possibly died in 2015 [60] common name/surname combination though |
Ricardo Falla Cáceres | El Salvador | Junta of Government (1960-1961) | 1921 | Spanish wiki [61] and some other sources [62] [63] claim 1929-1990 |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta of Commanders of the Armed Forces (1971) | 1922 | Possibly 1926-2000? |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Ahmad al-Sayari | Yemen (Kingdom) | Prime Minister (1962) | 1924 | Unclear status/DoB list No citation, see discussion here |
Ri Kun-mo | DPR Korea | Premier (1986-1988) | 1926 | Likely deceased, see discussion here; [ [64]] claims that he didn't die in 2001, but simply retired |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | Needs a better citation |
Michel Lévêque | Monaco | Minister of State (1997-2000) | 19 July 1933 | Needs a more recent citation |
Martin M'Bia | Congo (People's Republic of the) [a.k.a. Congo-Brazzaville] |
Member of the Military Committee (1977) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Some sources indicate he might be dead: [65], [66] and [67] |
Óscar Pammo Rodríguez | Bolivia | Junta member (1981) | 1934 | Unclear status/DoB list Needs a more recent citation (2006: [68]) |
1. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 and later to be done): (U=3, A=0)
– Adding to prevent further archiving – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Postponing archive Star Garnet ( talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I think this concept of a table is a good one.
As of 27 December 2021, there are 3 people left to add to the hidden 5 in the main article table. I could only find these people going through 1934#Births (again, feel free to add others or remove those who are deceased):
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
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Rudolf Schuster | Slovakia | President (1999–2004) | 4 January 1934 | Added to main list 9/7/2022 |
Jean Chrétien | Canada | Prime Minister (1993–2003) | 11 January 1934 | Added to main list 15/7/2022 |
Édith Cresson | France | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 27 January 1934 | Added to main list 30/8/2022 |
Eddie Fenech Adami | Malta | Prime Minister (1987–1996; 1998–2004) President (2004–2009) |
7 February 1934 | Added to main list 8/9/2022 |
Mohamed Ennaceur | Tunisia | Acting President (2019) | 21 March 1934 | Added to main list 4/11/2022 |
J. Y. Pillay | Singapore | Acting President (2017) | 30 March 1934 | Added to main list 5/11/2022 |
Édouard Frank | Central African Republic | Prime Minister (1991–1992) | 5 April 1934 | Added to main list 30/11/2022 |
John Malecela | Tanzania | Prime Minister (1990–1994) | 19 April 1934 | Added to main list 31/12/2022 |
Pedro Pires | Cape Verde | Prime Minister (1975–1991) President (2001–2011) |
29 April 1934 | Added to main list 3/1/2023 |
Lee Hong-koo | South Korea | Prime Minister (1994–1995) | 9 May 1934 | Added to main list 9/2/2023 |
Heng Samrin | Kampuchea (People's Republic of) | President of the Council of State (1979–1992) Party General Secretary (1981–1991) |
25 May 1934 | Added to main list 11/2/2023 |
Monica Dacon | Saint Vincent and the Grenadines | Acting Governor-General (2002) | 4 June 1934 | Added to main list 22/4/2023 |
Albert II | Belgium | King (1993–2013) | 7 June 1934 | Added to main list 6/7/2023 |
Désiré Rakotoarijaona | Madagascar (People's Republic of) | Prime Minister (1977–1988) | 19 June 1934 | Added to main list 21/7/2023 |
Dumitru Mazilu | Romania | Member of the National Salvation Front Council (1989) | 24 June 1934 | Added to unclear status list 27/7/2023 |
Fernando José de França Dias Van-Dúnem | Angola | Prime Minister (1991–1992; 1996–1999) | 24 August 1934 | Added to main list 27/7/2023 |
Ricardo de la Espriella | Panama | President (1982–1984) | 5 September 1934 | Added to main list 1/8/2023 |
Apas Jumagulov | Kyrgyzstan | Prime Minister (1993–1998) | 19 September 1934 | Added to main list 22/9/2023 |
Eugene Koffi Adoboli | Togo | Prime Minister (1999–2000) | 3 October 1934 | Added to main list 21/10/2023 |
Yakubu Gowon | Nigeria | Head of the Federal Military Government (1966–1975) | 19 October 1934 | Added to main list 29 (30, announced date in NZ)/12/2023 |
Hamilton Green | Guyana | Prime Minister (1985–1992) | 9 November 1934 | Added to main list 1/1/2024 |
Ingvar Carlsson | Sweden | Prime Minister (1986–1991; 1994–1996) | ||
Nicéphore Soglo | Benin | Acting Prime Minister (1990–1991) President (1991–1996) |
29 November 1934 | Added to main list 28/2/2024 |
Tarcisio Bertone | Vatican | Camerlengo during papal vacancy (2013) | 2 December 1934 | Unclear status list |
Pratibha Patil | India | President (2007–2012) | 19 December 1934 | |
Stjepan Mesić | Yugoslavia Croatia |
President of the Presidency (1991) President (2000–2010) |
24 December 1934 | |
Waldo Bernal Pereira | Bolivia | Junta member (1980; 1981) | 1931/1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 13/2/2022 |
Félix Mouzabakani | Congo-Brazzaville | Co-Commander of the Army (1963) | 1934 | Added to unclear status/DoB list 9/7/2022 |
Severiano Tura | San Marino | Captain Regent (1985) | c. 1934 | Added to unclear DoB list 8/2/2023 |
– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 08:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Maybe Waldo Bernal Pereira should be added to the main article (unknown birth with unclear status) StjepanHR ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Adding to prevent further archiving TheCorriynial ( talk) 20:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
– And again.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Postponing archive Star Garnet ( talk) 07:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)