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Sounds Greek to me. So...you're not sure if the firm existed or not?--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 21:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
All I know is what was mentioned in the Ebay auction. I've never heard of them before. Maybe they were just distributors of a Japanese product (box is in English). Kind of strange appearing in Europe considering Japanese cars were known as 'Jap crap' at the time. Note: I owned several Datsun 1000s and 1200s and loved them. Stepho talk 22:29, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
The book tinplate toy cars by Ralston shows several cars (Mercedes Benzes, Porsches, Citroens, etc.) made by Ichiko and Bandai that were made for export to Europe, but they were usually labeled / marketed as Ichikos and Bandais. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 13:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I guess it was made in Japan, then exported to Europe and sold under the Solpa name. I'm not overly worried about it - it was just something piqued my curiosity. Stepho talk 03:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)reply
...AND there were some tinplate cars made in Europe and South America, but they were usually pretty early compared to Japan. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 22:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I've heard of Kado, but don't know much more than what is in the entry. It seems they were diecast makers and may have switched more to white metal, but I'm uncertain. If memory serves there were several Ferraris like from the 1990s. They seem to be an upscale Tomica product, I've found some VWs and Rolls Royces as well. Check out Vectis.com for auctions. I'm not sure about the white metal production, but some newer models labeled Kado sell for high prices.
Bickford says this: Corresponding with Chuan Chai, I realized that, as he predicted, my Kado says "Tomica Dandy" on the base (you see now the problems of starting a site like this several years after you've put a model in the case). Chuan sited a book written in Chinese in the following: "The book I refereed to didn't really have much on the history or nature of the Kado company. But here is what I got: Kado was a company based in Japan. It commissioned Tomy Co. of Japan to produce models for them, and then these models were sold under the Kado brand name via their own distribution network. Tomy used existing dies and tools to produce these models -- mostly 1:43 Tomica Dandy. However a promotional set for a magazine was made in the 3-inch size. This set consisted of 5 cars, all were based on Tomica no. 27 Isuzu Hipac Van." "
And Bickford says this about Kawabatakikaku: "For an American, this name is quite a mouthful -- and a really difficult model to find. Whenever I had the time, I would put this model name along with some other rare ones into into Ebay to see if anything came up... well it took me about 3 years, but something finally popped up for Kawabatakikaku. There were two for sale -- a Subaru 360 and the Toyopet Crosn that I bought. I would have loved to have gotten both, but it was much more than I usually spend for my models -- I just REALLY wanted this one! I have some pictures below alongside my Modelpet Toyopet Crown. The J-43 is pretty hefty, like a Brooklin, and not a bad model, although it does rest pretty low on its wheels. One thing to note: You'll know that box belongs to the model, because there is a color dot showing the color of the model on the label. I really don't have any information on this company... but there is one interesting note -- I found online a Honda S800 with a box that says "1994 Diapet Collection Club by Yonezawa... Produced by Kawabatakikaku." Does anyone know what the Diapet Collection Club is, and why Kawabatakikaku made this model for Yonezawa?"
So Kawabatakikaku needs to be put into the listing. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:52, 23 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Removing non-notable manufacturers
The first comment by JzG was placed on my
talk page but I thought the conversation would be better here. JzG deleted a number of entries in the article which he thought were non-notable, which I restored. Let's discuss... Stepho talk 00:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Actually we do not usually include items in list articles unless they are notable, the guide for which is generally that they have an article. Sometimes there may be a few unlinked entries, but here the majority of manufacturers in that list have no article and no sources. Which is not how Wikipedia works: we're not supposed to be an unreferenced list of things people remember.
I am not sure if you are a modeller. There are a lot of model firms that make one or two vac-formed or resin cast items, they run out of garden sheds. They can disappear overnight with nobody any the wiser if the proprietor suffers a change of circumstances. My field is railway modelling, this happens all the time. There are also firms that make diecast smokestacks and other details, a craft more than an industry. I doubt they make a living at it, most seem to be semi-retired or spare time. So it's not that easy to tell, without sources and an article, whether a firm is actually a firm or is just a one man band that turned out a couple of resin kits for a few years. Without this kind of context including them in a list is not really helpful to anyone. Guy (
Help!) 06:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree that manufacturers that are not notable should not be on the list. However, you have put the horse before the cart and imply deleted manufacturers that don't have an article.
WP:REDLINK tells us that red links are useful in encouraging editors to create new articles - as long as they are notable of course. To say that they are only notable if they have an already existing article is a circular argument and effectively discourages new articles being created.
So, what it really comes down to is which of those you want to delete are notable or not - not whether they have articles.
Cstevencampbell (
talk·contribs) created most of the list and
Donnie Park (
talk·contribs) has made substantial edits too. For where our knowledge overlaps, I have found their edits to be good and trustworthy. I have not found them to be adding two-bit backyard manufacturers that only made extremely limited runs that didn't affect the market/hobby beyond. On the contrary, they have added many manufacturers that are not well known outside of their country but had a great affect on the market and led to bigger manufacturers who are well-known. As time goes on, they create new articles and expand our knowledge of lesser known (but still notable) manufactures - which is the way Wikipedia is meant to work.
WP:BRD suggests that is is perfectly fine for you to make your initial bold edit (ie deleting the manufacturers you think should not be there). But if somebody objects to your changes and reverts them then you should not reapply your changes but should have a discussion on a talk page instead (preferably the article's talk page).
I have dabbled a little in 1:24 car modelling, N scale train modelling and a few other odds and ends. My modelling skills are only modest but I do enjoy it. The image at the right is one of mine. Sadly, plastic kits have become way too expensive to buy new but I have a decent backlog of kits to make. I want to get into scratch building cars but haven't found the time. I also have a decent collection of older Toyota tin and diecast models from the 1960s and 1970s. Stepho talk 00:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Most of these do not even have redlinks. They have no links at all, and no sources. As I said, a lot of these firms will be basically untraceable. Feel free to source any you think are significant, from reliable sources (i.e. not catalogues, but actual books and such which talk about the brands). Guy (
Help!) 22:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I think I'm done editing this article. Too much disagreed on. Too much policed. Did it really matter that the list was longer? I was hoping at least some people searching for these brands on Google would see them mentioned somewhere. Now many may be mentioned nowhere. Collecting information on many of those brands is kind of a lost cause now as this list was a good place to start and most of the brands were not garage operations with just one or two models produced. Now, we shouldn't have 'personal' agendas for these articles, nevertheless, many of the brands eliminated were from well-known producers - I have many of them in my collection, so I know they were valid entries that just need expanding. I just can't keep up with which ones then have been deleted and which ones are 'worthy' in the eyes of administration. I understand the reasons for cutting, but it's still a shame.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC)--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:28, 8 October 2016 (UTC)--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)reply
TBH, I've never heard of most of these brands as I stopped collecting model cars a number of years ago and my current specialities (in Wikipedia) are competitive R/C racing, the big championships in particular. I said nothing until now as I feel this list is going to be a sitting duck for AfD but if this is to survive, we should either bluelink redlinked articles or only keep historic brands (if only they are sourced) and winners of major competitive events (such as IFMAR Worlds, EFRA Euros and ROAR Nationals) as they are in one way or another are bound to be notable, that's my suggestion. If this list get put into AfD, then I'm not at all surprised.
Donnie Park (
talk) 09:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Just so. That is how Wikipedia lists work.. They are navigational. A few redlinks are fine if they represent a to-do list, but in this case most entries had no links at all and over half those which are likned, are red. I checked a small sample and could not find anyhting that would ever allow that red link to be filled. Guy (
Help!) 00:07, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Not so. That's what categories are for.
WP:REDLINKS encourage editors to fill in the gaps. I have no problem if we determine that a manufacturer is not truly notable in the real world. But not having an existing article in WP isn't how we determine if a company is notable - otherwise we will never have any new articles. Stepho talk 01:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
The principal difference between lists and categories is that categories are for defining characteristics, whereas lists can be free form and allow for references which categories do not. For example, adding something to
Category:Pseudoscience effectively categorises it as unambiguous bollocks, whereas the
List of topics characterized as pseudoscience allows for areas where people differ, and for discussion of subjects that are only partly pseudoscietific. No article on Wikipedia, list or otherwise, is supposed to be an
indiscriminate collection of information. Including items that can never be anythign other than redlinks, because attempts to find
reliable independent sources turn up nothing beyond their mere existence, is a violation of long-standing policy. There is nothing wrong with a few redlinks for subjects that are probably notable but whihc we haven't got round to documenting yet, especially since some discussions will be in old dead-tree magazines and most libraries won't have the back catalogue of these, but a list where only a small minority of entries have articles at all, is begging for deletion. Guy (
Help!) 07:07, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Really frustrating when you see valid entries like Modern Products which made vehicles for Morestone / Budgie and later producers like H. Seener and Seerol (which derived Budgie Toys for the London Tourist market) nixed because a few people have little knowledge of the diecast industry (and they ARE discussed in the Budgie article). These companies made thousands, no, hundreds of thousands of toys. I request they be put back. There are probably dozens of others as well.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 21:30, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
This is Wikipedia. You want content? Provide sources. End of. And yes, I am not well versed in the die-cast industry, I have been an aircraft and military modeller but now I mostly do railway modelling, though I have a small collection of diecast models. That doesn't matter. If the notability of something is only evident with specialist knowledge, then source it so that you spread the knowledge. I don't know why this is difficult to understand, it is canonical policy. Guy (
Help!) 21:58, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, yes, that is the goal to get everything properly sourced. But we all have day jobs. It does take time. I continue to work on that. I just wish those who have edited this list had a bit more knowledge on the subject. If we go by your strict interpretation, we need to get rid of many more names here that are much less relevant than Modern Products, H. Seener, and Seerol (which were just examples). So, have at it, I suppose. I know a little bit about physics, but I'm not about to edit a list of theories in physics directing readers to different articles according to Wikipedia policy because I wouldn't be qualified and would potentially do damage to the valid ideas therein, whether those ideas were fully documented or not.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 22:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Sure, and I have a day job too. I choose to spend my time on Wikipedia addressing inadequate sourcing. You've noted a couple of examples you say could be sourced: good, feel free to do that. I rmeoved hundreds whihc were not sourced and probably can't be. Guy (
Help!) 22:43, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
And thus editors take on inadequate sourcing no matter the subject. I would expect editors would normally take on areas in which they feel most comfortable and knowledgeable (see my last comment). But that's the nature of Wikipedia - anyone can edit anything, which often ends up in limiting knowledge instead of encouraging it. The result becomes a mundane, even overly simplified agglomeration of information. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Lesney – Original company that produced Matchbox. Combination of the first names of founders Leslie Smith and Rodney Smith.
Can JzG or Guy explain why the above entry was removed? Stepho talk 06:43, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I used a regular expression that removed any entry which did not start with a link, there were a very large number so I did not check them one by one. Feel free to put Lesney back in obviously. Guy (
Help!) 07:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Okay, I've restored Lesney to the article. Stepho talk 15:12, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
More manufacturers
The following entries were deleted from the article due to not having sources. It would be appreciated if editors could create a full WP article (using
reliable sources) for any
notable manufacturer in red on this list and then add the entry to this article.
711 Collection – 1:18 scale cars from German company, though made in China.
1320 Inc. – Detailed Funny cars. Mostly 1:24 scale. Company circa 2004.
ARS (models) – 1:43 scale diecast from Italy. Mainly Alfas.
Arsenal (models) – 1:43 scale diecast trucks and kits made in Ukraine.
Art Model – 1:43 scale resin classic LeMans cars. NOT AUTOArt. Ferraris from the 1950s and 1960s.
Asakusa (models) – Japanese tin toys about 15 inches long like the Olds Vista Cruiser.
ASC (models) – Japanese tinplate cars of the 1960s, also Aoshin. Name later used for diecast series of buses and other vehicles, possibly related to Tomica / Diapet.
Asgaard Models – 1:43 scale, often F1. Also HO and other semi-trucks.
Ashton Models – large white metal fire trucks and older cars like the Ford Model A.
AS Model – 1:43 scale cars and trucks (resin?) from Voronezh, Russia.
ATC (models) – trading company marketing many Japanese toys, including Japanese tinplate cars; notably a striking Edsel.
ATEK (models) – 1:43 scale tractors and shovels made in Kiev, Ukraine.
Atelier car models – 1:43 scale handbuilts, mostly Ferraris from the 1960s and 1970s.
Athearn (models) – Mostly HO cars and trucks for train setups. From Long Beach, CA.
Atlas (models) – 1:32 scale race slot cars made in the mid-1960s, based on Marusan kits. Later, HO sized vehicles.
Aurore (models) – 1:43 scale kits from Switzerland, Bugattis among selections.
Austin Craft – Early 1940s balsa wood kits of U.S. Army trucks and others, made in Burbank, California.
Authentic Models – 1:43 scale resin models line made in Belgium by Formule Kit.
CB Modelli – 1:43 scale handbuilt resin models, made in Italy, often Alfas.
CB Car – Matchbox sized diecast made by Esci in Italy. Also pre-painted 1:24 scale kits (similar to Bburago).
CCC – Usually called
Classiques CCC. France. Handbuilt 1:43 cars, mostly made of resin. Some microcars like the Rovin. Citroens, Peugeots, Voisins from the 1930s.
Changshan Car Co. – Makes real vans and delivery, but also 1:18 scale Bugatti Veyron.
Charbens – Small diecast made in England in the 1950s and 1960s. Many veteran cars though main fare was toy soldiers and figures in the Britains style.
Custom Handbuilt – This IS the name of the 1:43 scale white metal maker from England. Often makes odd English brands. Included are Deep Sanderson, Lister, Cheetah, HRG, and even a Spanish Pegaso.
Elegant Models – Small diecast vehicles (and animals) made by Louis Marx. Also using the Linemar name.
Elite – Hot Wheels line of 1:18 scale diecast frequently Ferraris or movie vehicles.
Elysee – 1:43 scale resin French vehicles Simca, Peugeot, Renault,
EMC Pivtorak – rare 1:43 resin cars made by Wolodymyr Pivtorak in the Ukraine.
Emphasize – 1:43 scale resin model cars in limited edition and handbuilts by Joergen Dankelev. Many Le Mans racing cars. Made in Denmark. Some of the first model was built in cooperation with Ampersand model.
Empire Made – Not a company but ID often stamped on tinplate cars made in Hong Kong, a reflection of the British Commonwealth connection.
ET – Japanese tinplate toy cars of the late 1950s and 1960s.
Etruria Models – 1:43 scale resin kit cars from Italy. Probably from Etruria!
Euro-Modell – Ziss Modell changed to this name around the late 1970s, from West Germany. Even kept the same numbering system while blotting Ziss name from metal chassis.
EuroModell – Contemporary HO scale like Wiking. Uncertain if related to Ziss reproducers above.
Europe – 1:32 plastic kits from France from the 1960s. Features 1895–1905 Panhards.
ExactDetail – 1:18 scale GM cars from the 1960s by Lane's Automotive.
Faller – From Germany. Mostly kits but also assembled. Including 1:43 scale 'Memory Cars' series. Usually plastic. In the 1960s slot cars in a smaller scale (about 1:72). Hot Wheels like cars called 'Hit Cars'.
Finoko – 1:43 scale buses in particular. White metal, from Omsk, Russia, east of the Urals.
First Gear – Diecast GMC, Mack, International and other truck models in about 1:35 scale.
Fischer & Co. – Early tinplate toys from Nuremberg, Germany.
Fishel – Plastic military and emergency vehicle toys.
Fisher Body Craftsman's Guild – Model entrants to the famed company contest which first did Napoleonic Coaches and later all kinds of vehicles, 1930–1968.
Highway 61 – Ultra detailed and authentic brand of cars made by F.F. Ertl III. Normally 1:18 scale diecast. Some trucks too, like 1947 Chevy Snow Plow.
John Hill & Co. – Creative fantastical race cars from the 1930s.
Hudson Miniatures – 1950s copies of Gowland Revell Highway Pioneers series. But similar vehicle kits of balsa wood and cardboard from late 1940s! Company from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Intex – 1:18 scale from the early 1990s. Similar to Maisto, but offerings not as broad. Could be Maisto second hand castings.
Irwin or Irwin Toy – Variety of plastic toys, including vehicles. Canadian distributor of Kidco's "Tough Wheels" line.
Ishmash Factory – Same factory making motorcycles apparently making 1:18 scale motorcycles too.
IST – a 1:43 scale diecast line of Ixo. Models are often of East European vehicles of the communist era and are made in near Shenzhen, China. Marketing offices are in Macao.
Keystone – Boston company of pressed steel trucks, trains, and buses in '20s and '30s. Trucks often carried the Packard name. Plastic cars with 'oil changing' feature in the late 1940s. Also known as 'Keystone Thomas Toys'.
KFT – 1:43 scale French diecast of concepts among others.
Khan Modelcars – Asad Khan is a professional modelmaker of 1:43 scale resin and white metal Bugattis from other kits. He resides in Veenendaal, the Netherlands.
Kherson Models – White metal 1:43 scale from the Ukraine.
Kidco – Smaller Matchbox sized cars. Made Tough Wheels line.
Kimmeria – 1:43 scale utility trucks, buses, military and some cars. Made in Ukraine.
Kingsbury – Pressed steel cars 7–18 inches made by Wilkins Toy Co. made in the 1920s–193os. For a while bodies were made by Fisher Body Co. who made real car bodies.
Kinsmart – Chinese manufacturer of highly detailed and precise model cars such as Mercedes, Audi, Mini, Lexus and Land Rover. Usually pullbacks – some cars are cartoonish, others very precise.
Kintoy – Chinese pullbacks, but some very nicely detailed.
Kirk – Reproductions of Danish Tekno dies. Kind of like what Verem is to Solido?
Kit O'Boy – Assembler of resin and white metal kits.
K K Sakura – Japan. Mostly 1:24 scale white metal. Unknown if related to Sakura.
KKK – Japanese tinplate cars and buses from the 1950s.
Kleeware – Simple but often handsome plastic trucks and cars, especially military and futuristic space-cars.
Magic Image – Canadian supplier of often specially commissioned 1:43 scale handbuilts and diecasts. Similar in concept to Danhausen who had many supplier. Mimodels is one line.
Major Models – 1:43 scale Ural trucks, mostly. Russia.
Make Up Co., Ltd. – 1:43 factory hand built resin model cars from Tokyo, Japan. Series include Eidolon, Eidolon Collection, Eidolon Formula and VISION. Officially licensed model cars of Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Zagato, etc.
MAL Studio – 1:43 scale Mercedes military, and Humvees, but also ZILs and GAZs. Kirov, Russia.
Mamod – Actual working steam engine models and vehicles.
Manoil – Diecast cars made in the US pre- and post-WWII.
Matsudaya – Japanese tinplate toy cars also known as MT or maybe Modern Toys.
Max Models – Diecast line of Mercedes-Benz from Louis B. Surber S.A. from France. Mainly during the 1990s. Made models for Danhausen then was absorbed by them into the Minichamps line.
Moebius – Related to the old Aurora. Mostly movie monster kits, but a few car models like the step down Hudson.
MOG Models – 1:43 scale resin kits made in France.
Moko / Moko Lesney – Distribution company that marketed Lesney Matchbox cars in the 1950s. Named for Moses Kohnstam. Moko was eventually bought by Lesney.
MP-43 – 1:43 scale made in Russia. Often reworked ZIL models.
MR Collection Models – 1:18 scale resin models handbuilt in Italy. Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Bugattis and Alfa Romeos in special paintcode combos. Limited runs of less than 90, but also one-offs. Special leather / alcantara bases.
MRC-Tamiya – For a time, the name of Tamiya. Made remote control cars even in 1:12 scale.
MRF / M.R.F. – 1:43 scale resin. Ferraris etc. Also called Record M.R.F.
MS – Chinese tinplate motorcycles and other from ca. 1960.
MT – Japanese tinplate, acronym for Modern Toys or Matsudaya.
MTech – Line of 1:43 scale diecast cars made in Japan by Epoch.
Muscle Machines – Cartoonish diecasts of '50s and '60s hot rod classic cars by Funline.
MVI – Resin kits of trucks and fire engines in 1:43 scale.
Mystère 43 – Alternate line of resin kits made by Jade Miniatures.
Open-43 – 1:43 scale resin model cars with opening parts. The most well-known item is the McLaren F1 street car with all opening doors and steering front wheels.
Orfey – 1:43 scale models made in Turkey. Iso Grifo and Lamborghini Miuri likely a secondary Corgi tooling. This company may have originally been Meboto.
Oto – More commonly known as Holland Oto which took over Efsi.
A. Ovchinnikov – 1:43 scale models of ZIL, Moskvitch, and VAZ cars, but often in different forms, like taxi, pickup, or camper. Made in Moscow.
Oxford Diecast – Swansea, Wales based UK company making 1:43, 1:76, 1:87, 1:148 vehicles, plus 1:72 planes. Mainly British vehicles in the spirit of Matchbox or Lledo. Slogan is 'Surprisingly affordable quality'. Celebrated 20 years of manufacturing in 2013, with roots back to Swansea Mettoy factory and Corgi staff. Final UK volume diecast manufacturer before main production moved to China. Website:
http://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk
Rastar – Various scales of diecast cars. Made by Xinghui Auto Model Co. Ltd. of Shantou, Guangdong, China.
Rawcliffe Pewter – accurate HO scale pewter models of 1950s American cars.
RBA Model – 1:43 scale models of mainly European racing cars.
RC2 – Large conglomerate taking over MPC, AMT, Ertl, some Aurora dies, and other names also.
Realtoys – Smaller to medium-sized diecast from China. Many models very well done. Many come in 1:54 scale, and are often found in toy retailers and supermarkets.
Record M.R.F. – Handbuilt White Metal Models from France. Often Ferraris.
HPL Replicars – HO scale plastic vintage auto kits like 1899 Renault and 1927 Bentley.
Replicars – 1:43 scale. Made in England for Dutch firm. White metal, sometimes copying Spot-On in 1:42 scale, but often are Italian Alfas. Defunct since about 1990s.
Retrotoys – Collectible resin cast cars sometimes in 1:12 scale like their Jaguar D-Type.
R.W. Model – Plastic and diecast classic cars in the Rio, Dugu, or Safir style. Later became
Ziss Modell.
Sablon – Belgian 1:43 scale diecast similar to Dinky and others, always with chemically reacted, melted wheels.
Saico – Manufacturer of sports cars such as Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus and Mitsubishi Evo. Good quality, and can be found in department stores like Boyes.
St. Louis – Small diecast producer making 1:43 oddities like the 1942 DeSoto Custom.
H. Seener – British firm making London promo recasts, mainly of Budgie / Morestone. Seerol came later.
Seerol – British firm selling promo and tourist vehicles of Rolls and London Taxis. Models most often recastings of Budgie / Morestone. H. Seener came first.
Selcol – British plastic toys. "Self-balancing" motorcycle.
Septoy – Belgian maker of diecast also known as Gasquy-Septoy.
SONSCO – Japanese tinplate cars and motorcycles among myriad other toys.
South Eastern Finecast – 1:43 scale model kits of classic English sports cars, mainly. Company was formerly Wills Finecast.
Southern Cross Miniatures – 1:43 scale handbuilt LeMans cars from 1950s/1960s from Victoria, Australia.
Spa Croft – British Manufacturer. Label like Danhausen, using models from many manufacturers? Nothing like Danhausen. Made by two pattern makers, cast by mainly one casting company, painted by mainly one company, assembled solely by GTA Models initially, then by Spa Croft Models, but always an original product, never a product by others. Like Somerville, producer of 1/43rd scale white metal models of British cars from the 1930s to the 1960s.
Spark – Mostly 1:43 scale European, originally in resin, but now diecast. Strengths are 'back of the pack' Formula 1 and GP models. Guangdong province. Variety is reminiscent of Minichamps.
SpecCast – Mostly 1:24 scale diecast line of Liberty Classics, Inc. headquartered in Dyersville, Iowa.
Speed Models – Line of resin cars in 1:43 by ABC Models.
S.R.C. Models – White metal F1 kits made in England.
SS – Shimazaki. Japanese tinplate toys in the 1950s and 1960s.
SSS International – Abbreviation for Shioji. Japanese tinplate toys, relation to SS is uncertain. Made Tiny Giant series in about 1:38 scale.
Arthur Paddy Stanley – White metal pre-war German racers built in the early 1970s.
Starline – 1:43 scale diecast. Mostly Italian cars, including Fiat, Lancia and Siata.
Sterling – Plastics company making Auburn Rubber style nicely proportioned plastic (not rubber) cars. Often they had pencil sharpeners underneath.
Stomper – Line of pull back motored and smaller unmotored trucks and SUVs by Schaper. Made in Hong Kong & Macau.
Straco – Plastic radio Controlled cars from about 1980s. Made in Hong Kong. Some interesting offerings like the Mercedes C-111 type 1.
Streamlux – Australian manufacturer that eventually provided the tooling for 9 models that became the core of the Fun Ho! Midget Scale Models line in New Zealand.
Strombecker – Slot car maker from the U.S. since the late '50s, later merged with Tootsietoy.
Sturditoy – Pressed steel trucks 1926–1933. Made by the Pressed Metal Company of Pawtucket, Rhode Island.
Aside it's only FEMCA Asian Champonships win (though not as prestigious nor as competitive in comparison to ROAR Nationals (in the US) and EFRA Euros), not a R/C majors frontrunner like XRAY, TLR, Associated, Kyosho etc; only thing of note was signing up double IFMAR champ
Atsushi Hara (from Hot Bodies) only for short time therefore may scrape for notability, although do appear in major competitive events)
SY – Japanese tinplate toy vehicles. Also known as Yoneya.
Takatoku Toys – Name of TT toys, Japanese tinplate toy car maker.
Tanaguchi – Japanese tinplate vehicles, also known as TKK.
Tantal – Soviet/Russian 1:43 scale model maker or exporting organization established in
Saratov. Tantal means tantalum in English, which is a very hard silver metal. Tantal is also a Russian weapons manufacturer that could have made models.
Taylor & Barratt – Britain. Diecast race cars, buses, etc. from around from the 1930s and 1940s.
Teama or Team A – Hong Kong producer of accurate plastic models including buses, trucks, ambulances and tractors. From 1:48 (tractor trailers) to 1:16 (forklifts).
Technofix – French copies of original German tinplate race sets featuring motorcycles, cars, buses, etc.
Tecnomodel – Handmade Resin Models in 1:18 and 1:43 scale made in Italy. Exclusive lines of Aston Martins, Lancias, Alfas, Maseratis, and McLarens.
Tek-Hoby Miniature – Diecast and resin made in Switzerland. Mostly Swiss Sauer trucks and buses. Mostly 1:50 scale. Also, 1:43 scale Citroen Traccion Avant & Peugeots that look like copies of Dubrays.
TO Models – All decades of 1:43 scale military Soviet trucks. Made in Ukraine.
Togi – Italy. Special Alfa Romeo promotionals from the Alfa factory.
Tomiyama – More accurate Japanese tinplate toys. Predecessor name to Tomy.
Tonkin – Diecast trucks about 1:64 scale. Made in the 1980s.
Top Gear – Remote control vehicle manufacturer including weird things like a Triumph Herald with a sail, and water crossing vehicles, amidst regular Ferrari fare.
Top Gear Pty – Australian diecast manufacturer. Makes models under its own banner and owns the Trax Models line of "Australian Motoring History".
Top Gold Model – Classic odd race cars like old Bugattis. Does not appear to be Top Model.
Toriumi factory – Early 1950s factory making Marusan tin toys.
Totem Industries – Balsa wood 'Jet' cars and others from about 1950.
Touchwood Models – 1:3 scale pedal cars and then different scales of land speed record cars and boats, from Norfolk, England. Relation to Omicron Models uncertain.
The red entries will turn to blue when you create the new articles. If you use a different article name then update this list appropriately or just delete it from this list after adding it to the article. Stepho talk 06:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Don't forget to check
WP:GNG and
WP:CORP, Creating a hundred articles whose only source is a listing in a sale catalogue will create massive drama (we have been there before). Otherwise: fill your boots, but please start by disambiguating any of the blue links above which are not actually relevant (whic is every single one I have checked so far). Guy (
Help!) 21:44, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Even if it were reliable, the source is not about the subject: it has some pictures of a car which claim to be made by a company with this name but there's nothing about the company, and to state that it makes models of this kind of car is
synthesis. So it des not support the statement or the entry in the list.
I know these things are niche, but there are magazines devoted to car models, both collectable and RC. That is the kind of source that's needed. Guy (
Help!) 21:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
You might not be "find anything useful on Google", not for a brand whose notability is limited to it's home country. You'll find most of the source
in here, particularly the early part, though I don't know much Japanese.
Donnie Park (
talk) 00:07, 13 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Why is the redrc reference not considered reliable? Red RC is a professional news company, not just some simple blog or forum.
Searching for "ABCホビ" (Japanese for "ABC Hobby") gives plenty of results - mostly Japanese of course. There is also a US arm of the company at
http://abchobbyusa.com/about-us.aspx . Using Donnie's link I searched for "hirosaka" (
Masami Hirosaka is an RC world champ) and found
http://www.rcmx.net/modules/wordpress1/ where he lists major accomplishments - including Japanese grand prix's sponsored by ABC Hobby.
Surely a Japanese company that is still running after 48 years, sponsors competitions big enough to attract world champs, hires world champs and also has a US arm is more than a back room guy making a handful of models. Granted that this is not quite enough to actually build an article but it does show it is worthy of having an article and that an interested editor could build an article with a bit more digging. I am concerned that you were willing to dismiss it as "probably always will be a red link" after such a meagre search. This is why
WP:REDLINKS is useful for encouraging new articles. Stepho talk 00:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Please try to focus on the actual issue here. I am not saying that this is categorically not notable, what I am saying is that notability is not substantiated here, and Google shows it may be impossible to do so. Read the
general notability guidline: the litmus test is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If you want RedRC to qualify as a source you have to show that it has an editorial board, fact checking, and a reputation for reliability established by, for example, being quoted by other reliable sources such as newspapers and magazines. This is absolutely standard for Wikipedia, noth in any way special to this subject area. Remember,
Wikipedia is not a directory. Your passion for the subject is obvious and your belief that X, Y and Z| manufacturers are plainly of surpassing importance is clear, but you have to demonstrate that they meet inclusion guidelines, by reference to the same kind of sources every other subject has to use. Virtually every source you discuss turns out to be a catalogue listing or a review of a specific model, and only in extremely rare cases have you provided anything at all that is about the company. Teasing an article out of product reviews is simply not allowed by Wikipedia policy. Guy (
Help!) 07:53, 16 October 2016 (UTC)reply
to qualify as a source you have to show that it has an editorial board - I don't know if you are aware though I don't care about the static modelling industry anymore as I stopped collecting model cars years ago but since I started working on articles of R/C racing in 2014, I noticed that modelling magazines, especially those of R/C cars (especially with "an editorial board"), are becoming a dying breed. AFAIK, all French ones are now extinct; the longest running R/C car magazines, RCCI of the UK, folded in late 2015 after being in existence since 1981, thus the title goes to America's Radio Control Car Action (founded in 1985). These professional websites such as Red RC, NeoBuggy and Live RC, consisting of freelancers, are killing them. Thus in the future, what if all print magazines and newspapers becomes extinct and one-man news media like these websites I mentioned takes over? Are you all going to say these are not relaible third party sources.
Donnie Park (
talk) 14:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Specialist magazines are thriving in some areas, not in others. In some case they are now online, but still with editorial boards run by provable experts. In other case, they are just fansites and not usable for Wikipedia. We don't rewrite our policies in order to allow us to keep articles on subjects that can't meet them, though. Guy (
Help!) 21:18, 2 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Sounds Greek to me. So...you're not sure if the firm existed or not?--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 21:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
All I know is what was mentioned in the Ebay auction. I've never heard of them before. Maybe they were just distributors of a Japanese product (box is in English). Kind of strange appearing in Europe considering Japanese cars were known as 'Jap crap' at the time. Note: I owned several Datsun 1000s and 1200s and loved them. Stepho talk 22:29, 7 May 2012 (UTC)reply
The book tinplate toy cars by Ralston shows several cars (Mercedes Benzes, Porsches, Citroens, etc.) made by Ichiko and Bandai that were made for export to Europe, but they were usually labeled / marketed as Ichikos and Bandais. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 13:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I guess it was made in Japan, then exported to Europe and sold under the Solpa name. I'm not overly worried about it - it was just something piqued my curiosity. Stepho talk 03:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)reply
...AND there were some tinplate cars made in Europe and South America, but they were usually pretty early compared to Japan. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 22:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I've heard of Kado, but don't know much more than what is in the entry. It seems they were diecast makers and may have switched more to white metal, but I'm uncertain. If memory serves there were several Ferraris like from the 1990s. They seem to be an upscale Tomica product, I've found some VWs and Rolls Royces as well. Check out Vectis.com for auctions. I'm not sure about the white metal production, but some newer models labeled Kado sell for high prices.
Bickford says this: Corresponding with Chuan Chai, I realized that, as he predicted, my Kado says "Tomica Dandy" on the base (you see now the problems of starting a site like this several years after you've put a model in the case). Chuan sited a book written in Chinese in the following: "The book I refereed to didn't really have much on the history or nature of the Kado company. But here is what I got: Kado was a company based in Japan. It commissioned Tomy Co. of Japan to produce models for them, and then these models were sold under the Kado brand name via their own distribution network. Tomy used existing dies and tools to produce these models -- mostly 1:43 Tomica Dandy. However a promotional set for a magazine was made in the 3-inch size. This set consisted of 5 cars, all were based on Tomica no. 27 Isuzu Hipac Van." "
And Bickford says this about Kawabatakikaku: "For an American, this name is quite a mouthful -- and a really difficult model to find. Whenever I had the time, I would put this model name along with some other rare ones into into Ebay to see if anything came up... well it took me about 3 years, but something finally popped up for Kawabatakikaku. There were two for sale -- a Subaru 360 and the Toyopet Crosn that I bought. I would have loved to have gotten both, but it was much more than I usually spend for my models -- I just REALLY wanted this one! I have some pictures below alongside my Modelpet Toyopet Crown. The J-43 is pretty hefty, like a Brooklin, and not a bad model, although it does rest pretty low on its wheels. One thing to note: You'll know that box belongs to the model, because there is a color dot showing the color of the model on the label. I really don't have any information on this company... but there is one interesting note -- I found online a Honda S800 with a box that says "1994 Diapet Collection Club by Yonezawa... Produced by Kawabatakikaku." Does anyone know what the Diapet Collection Club is, and why Kawabatakikaku made this model for Yonezawa?"
So Kawabatakikaku needs to be put into the listing. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:52, 23 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Removing non-notable manufacturers
The first comment by JzG was placed on my
talk page but I thought the conversation would be better here. JzG deleted a number of entries in the article which he thought were non-notable, which I restored. Let's discuss... Stepho talk 00:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Actually we do not usually include items in list articles unless they are notable, the guide for which is generally that they have an article. Sometimes there may be a few unlinked entries, but here the majority of manufacturers in that list have no article and no sources. Which is not how Wikipedia works: we're not supposed to be an unreferenced list of things people remember.
I am not sure if you are a modeller. There are a lot of model firms that make one or two vac-formed or resin cast items, they run out of garden sheds. They can disappear overnight with nobody any the wiser if the proprietor suffers a change of circumstances. My field is railway modelling, this happens all the time. There are also firms that make diecast smokestacks and other details, a craft more than an industry. I doubt they make a living at it, most seem to be semi-retired or spare time. So it's not that easy to tell, without sources and an article, whether a firm is actually a firm or is just a one man band that turned out a couple of resin kits for a few years. Without this kind of context including them in a list is not really helpful to anyone. Guy (
Help!) 06:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I agree that manufacturers that are not notable should not be on the list. However, you have put the horse before the cart and imply deleted manufacturers that don't have an article.
WP:REDLINK tells us that red links are useful in encouraging editors to create new articles - as long as they are notable of course. To say that they are only notable if they have an already existing article is a circular argument and effectively discourages new articles being created.
So, what it really comes down to is which of those you want to delete are notable or not - not whether they have articles.
Cstevencampbell (
talk·contribs) created most of the list and
Donnie Park (
talk·contribs) has made substantial edits too. For where our knowledge overlaps, I have found their edits to be good and trustworthy. I have not found them to be adding two-bit backyard manufacturers that only made extremely limited runs that didn't affect the market/hobby beyond. On the contrary, they have added many manufacturers that are not well known outside of their country but had a great affect on the market and led to bigger manufacturers who are well-known. As time goes on, they create new articles and expand our knowledge of lesser known (but still notable) manufactures - which is the way Wikipedia is meant to work.
WP:BRD suggests that is is perfectly fine for you to make your initial bold edit (ie deleting the manufacturers you think should not be there). But if somebody objects to your changes and reverts them then you should not reapply your changes but should have a discussion on a talk page instead (preferably the article's talk page).
I have dabbled a little in 1:24 car modelling, N scale train modelling and a few other odds and ends. My modelling skills are only modest but I do enjoy it. The image at the right is one of mine. Sadly, plastic kits have become way too expensive to buy new but I have a decent backlog of kits to make. I want to get into scratch building cars but haven't found the time. I also have a decent collection of older Toyota tin and diecast models from the 1960s and 1970s. Stepho talk 00:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Most of these do not even have redlinks. They have no links at all, and no sources. As I said, a lot of these firms will be basically untraceable. Feel free to source any you think are significant, from reliable sources (i.e. not catalogues, but actual books and such which talk about the brands). Guy (
Help!) 22:13, 8 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I think I'm done editing this article. Too much disagreed on. Too much policed. Did it really matter that the list was longer? I was hoping at least some people searching for these brands on Google would see them mentioned somewhere. Now many may be mentioned nowhere. Collecting information on many of those brands is kind of a lost cause now as this list was a good place to start and most of the brands were not garage operations with just one or two models produced. Now, we shouldn't have 'personal' agendas for these articles, nevertheless, many of the brands eliminated were from well-known producers - I have many of them in my collection, so I know they were valid entries that just need expanding. I just can't keep up with which ones then have been deleted and which ones are 'worthy' in the eyes of administration. I understand the reasons for cutting, but it's still a shame.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC)--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:28, 8 October 2016 (UTC)--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:34, 8 October 2016 (UTC)reply
TBH, I've never heard of most of these brands as I stopped collecting model cars a number of years ago and my current specialities (in Wikipedia) are competitive R/C racing, the big championships in particular. I said nothing until now as I feel this list is going to be a sitting duck for AfD but if this is to survive, we should either bluelink redlinked articles or only keep historic brands (if only they are sourced) and winners of major competitive events (such as IFMAR Worlds, EFRA Euros and ROAR Nationals) as they are in one way or another are bound to be notable, that's my suggestion. If this list get put into AfD, then I'm not at all surprised.
Donnie Park (
talk) 09:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Just so. That is how Wikipedia lists work.. They are navigational. A few redlinks are fine if they represent a to-do list, but in this case most entries had no links at all and over half those which are likned, are red. I checked a small sample and could not find anyhting that would ever allow that red link to be filled. Guy (
Help!) 00:07, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Not so. That's what categories are for.
WP:REDLINKS encourage editors to fill in the gaps. I have no problem if we determine that a manufacturer is not truly notable in the real world. But not having an existing article in WP isn't how we determine if a company is notable - otherwise we will never have any new articles. Stepho talk 01:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
The principal difference between lists and categories is that categories are for defining characteristics, whereas lists can be free form and allow for references which categories do not. For example, adding something to
Category:Pseudoscience effectively categorises it as unambiguous bollocks, whereas the
List of topics characterized as pseudoscience allows for areas where people differ, and for discussion of subjects that are only partly pseudoscietific. No article on Wikipedia, list or otherwise, is supposed to be an
indiscriminate collection of information. Including items that can never be anythign other than redlinks, because attempts to find
reliable independent sources turn up nothing beyond their mere existence, is a violation of long-standing policy. There is nothing wrong with a few redlinks for subjects that are probably notable but whihc we haven't got round to documenting yet, especially since some discussions will be in old dead-tree magazines and most libraries won't have the back catalogue of these, but a list where only a small minority of entries have articles at all, is begging for deletion. Guy (
Help!) 07:07, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Really frustrating when you see valid entries like Modern Products which made vehicles for Morestone / Budgie and later producers like H. Seener and Seerol (which derived Budgie Toys for the London Tourist market) nixed because a few people have little knowledge of the diecast industry (and they ARE discussed in the Budgie article). These companies made thousands, no, hundreds of thousands of toys. I request they be put back. There are probably dozens of others as well.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 21:30, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
This is Wikipedia. You want content? Provide sources. End of. And yes, I am not well versed in the die-cast industry, I have been an aircraft and military modeller but now I mostly do railway modelling, though I have a small collection of diecast models. That doesn't matter. If the notability of something is only evident with specialist knowledge, then source it so that you spread the knowledge. I don't know why this is difficult to understand, it is canonical policy. Guy (
Help!) 21:58, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Well, yes, that is the goal to get everything properly sourced. But we all have day jobs. It does take time. I continue to work on that. I just wish those who have edited this list had a bit more knowledge on the subject. If we go by your strict interpretation, we need to get rid of many more names here that are much less relevant than Modern Products, H. Seener, and Seerol (which were just examples). So, have at it, I suppose. I know a little bit about physics, but I'm not about to edit a list of theories in physics directing readers to different articles according to Wikipedia policy because I wouldn't be qualified and would potentially do damage to the valid ideas therein, whether those ideas were fully documented or not.--
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 22:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Sure, and I have a day job too. I choose to spend my time on Wikipedia addressing inadequate sourcing. You've noted a couple of examples you say could be sourced: good, feel free to do that. I rmeoved hundreds whihc were not sourced and probably can't be. Guy (
Help!) 22:43, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
And thus editors take on inadequate sourcing no matter the subject. I would expect editors would normally take on areas in which they feel most comfortable and knowledgeable (see my last comment). But that's the nature of Wikipedia - anyone can edit anything, which often ends up in limiting knowledge instead of encouraging it. The result becomes a mundane, even overly simplified agglomeration of information. --
Cstevencampbell (
talk) 23:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Lesney – Original company that produced Matchbox. Combination of the first names of founders Leslie Smith and Rodney Smith.
Can JzG or Guy explain why the above entry was removed? Stepho talk 06:43, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I used a regular expression that removed any entry which did not start with a link, there were a very large number so I did not check them one by one. Feel free to put Lesney back in obviously. Guy (
Help!) 07:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Okay, I've restored Lesney to the article. Stepho talk 15:12, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
More manufacturers
The following entries were deleted from the article due to not having sources. It would be appreciated if editors could create a full WP article (using
reliable sources) for any
notable manufacturer in red on this list and then add the entry to this article.
711 Collection – 1:18 scale cars from German company, though made in China.
1320 Inc. – Detailed Funny cars. Mostly 1:24 scale. Company circa 2004.
ARS (models) – 1:43 scale diecast from Italy. Mainly Alfas.
Arsenal (models) – 1:43 scale diecast trucks and kits made in Ukraine.
Art Model – 1:43 scale resin classic LeMans cars. NOT AUTOArt. Ferraris from the 1950s and 1960s.
Asakusa (models) – Japanese tin toys about 15 inches long like the Olds Vista Cruiser.
ASC (models) – Japanese tinplate cars of the 1960s, also Aoshin. Name later used for diecast series of buses and other vehicles, possibly related to Tomica / Diapet.
Asgaard Models – 1:43 scale, often F1. Also HO and other semi-trucks.
Ashton Models – large white metal fire trucks and older cars like the Ford Model A.
AS Model – 1:43 scale cars and trucks (resin?) from Voronezh, Russia.
ATC (models) – trading company marketing many Japanese toys, including Japanese tinplate cars; notably a striking Edsel.
ATEK (models) – 1:43 scale tractors and shovels made in Kiev, Ukraine.
Atelier car models – 1:43 scale handbuilts, mostly Ferraris from the 1960s and 1970s.
Athearn (models) – Mostly HO cars and trucks for train setups. From Long Beach, CA.
Atlas (models) – 1:32 scale race slot cars made in the mid-1960s, based on Marusan kits. Later, HO sized vehicles.
Aurore (models) – 1:43 scale kits from Switzerland, Bugattis among selections.
Austin Craft – Early 1940s balsa wood kits of U.S. Army trucks and others, made in Burbank, California.
Authentic Models – 1:43 scale resin models line made in Belgium by Formule Kit.
CB Modelli – 1:43 scale handbuilt resin models, made in Italy, often Alfas.
CB Car – Matchbox sized diecast made by Esci in Italy. Also pre-painted 1:24 scale kits (similar to Bburago).
CCC – Usually called
Classiques CCC. France. Handbuilt 1:43 cars, mostly made of resin. Some microcars like the Rovin. Citroens, Peugeots, Voisins from the 1930s.
Changshan Car Co. – Makes real vans and delivery, but also 1:18 scale Bugatti Veyron.
Charbens – Small diecast made in England in the 1950s and 1960s. Many veteran cars though main fare was toy soldiers and figures in the Britains style.
Custom Handbuilt – This IS the name of the 1:43 scale white metal maker from England. Often makes odd English brands. Included are Deep Sanderson, Lister, Cheetah, HRG, and even a Spanish Pegaso.
Elegant Models – Small diecast vehicles (and animals) made by Louis Marx. Also using the Linemar name.
Elite – Hot Wheels line of 1:18 scale diecast frequently Ferraris or movie vehicles.
Elysee – 1:43 scale resin French vehicles Simca, Peugeot, Renault,
EMC Pivtorak – rare 1:43 resin cars made by Wolodymyr Pivtorak in the Ukraine.
Emphasize – 1:43 scale resin model cars in limited edition and handbuilts by Joergen Dankelev. Many Le Mans racing cars. Made in Denmark. Some of the first model was built in cooperation with Ampersand model.
Empire Made – Not a company but ID often stamped on tinplate cars made in Hong Kong, a reflection of the British Commonwealth connection.
ET – Japanese tinplate toy cars of the late 1950s and 1960s.
Etruria Models – 1:43 scale resin kit cars from Italy. Probably from Etruria!
Euro-Modell – Ziss Modell changed to this name around the late 1970s, from West Germany. Even kept the same numbering system while blotting Ziss name from metal chassis.
EuroModell – Contemporary HO scale like Wiking. Uncertain if related to Ziss reproducers above.
Europe – 1:32 plastic kits from France from the 1960s. Features 1895–1905 Panhards.
ExactDetail – 1:18 scale GM cars from the 1960s by Lane's Automotive.
Faller – From Germany. Mostly kits but also assembled. Including 1:43 scale 'Memory Cars' series. Usually plastic. In the 1960s slot cars in a smaller scale (about 1:72). Hot Wheels like cars called 'Hit Cars'.
Finoko – 1:43 scale buses in particular. White metal, from Omsk, Russia, east of the Urals.
First Gear – Diecast GMC, Mack, International and other truck models in about 1:35 scale.
Fischer & Co. – Early tinplate toys from Nuremberg, Germany.
Fishel – Plastic military and emergency vehicle toys.
Fisher Body Craftsman's Guild – Model entrants to the famed company contest which first did Napoleonic Coaches and later all kinds of vehicles, 1930–1968.
Highway 61 – Ultra detailed and authentic brand of cars made by F.F. Ertl III. Normally 1:18 scale diecast. Some trucks too, like 1947 Chevy Snow Plow.
John Hill & Co. – Creative fantastical race cars from the 1930s.
Hudson Miniatures – 1950s copies of Gowland Revell Highway Pioneers series. But similar vehicle kits of balsa wood and cardboard from late 1940s! Company from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Intex – 1:18 scale from the early 1990s. Similar to Maisto, but offerings not as broad. Could be Maisto second hand castings.
Irwin or Irwin Toy – Variety of plastic toys, including vehicles. Canadian distributor of Kidco's "Tough Wheels" line.
Ishmash Factory – Same factory making motorcycles apparently making 1:18 scale motorcycles too.
IST – a 1:43 scale diecast line of Ixo. Models are often of East European vehicles of the communist era and are made in near Shenzhen, China. Marketing offices are in Macao.
Keystone – Boston company of pressed steel trucks, trains, and buses in '20s and '30s. Trucks often carried the Packard name. Plastic cars with 'oil changing' feature in the late 1940s. Also known as 'Keystone Thomas Toys'.
KFT – 1:43 scale French diecast of concepts among others.
Khan Modelcars – Asad Khan is a professional modelmaker of 1:43 scale resin and white metal Bugattis from other kits. He resides in Veenendaal, the Netherlands.
Kherson Models – White metal 1:43 scale from the Ukraine.
Kidco – Smaller Matchbox sized cars. Made Tough Wheels line.
Kimmeria – 1:43 scale utility trucks, buses, military and some cars. Made in Ukraine.
Kingsbury – Pressed steel cars 7–18 inches made by Wilkins Toy Co. made in the 1920s–193os. For a while bodies were made by Fisher Body Co. who made real car bodies.
Kinsmart – Chinese manufacturer of highly detailed and precise model cars such as Mercedes, Audi, Mini, Lexus and Land Rover. Usually pullbacks – some cars are cartoonish, others very precise.
Kintoy – Chinese pullbacks, but some very nicely detailed.
Kirk – Reproductions of Danish Tekno dies. Kind of like what Verem is to Solido?
Kit O'Boy – Assembler of resin and white metal kits.
K K Sakura – Japan. Mostly 1:24 scale white metal. Unknown if related to Sakura.
KKK – Japanese tinplate cars and buses from the 1950s.
Kleeware – Simple but often handsome plastic trucks and cars, especially military and futuristic space-cars.
Magic Image – Canadian supplier of often specially commissioned 1:43 scale handbuilts and diecasts. Similar in concept to Danhausen who had many supplier. Mimodels is one line.
Major Models – 1:43 scale Ural trucks, mostly. Russia.
Make Up Co., Ltd. – 1:43 factory hand built resin model cars from Tokyo, Japan. Series include Eidolon, Eidolon Collection, Eidolon Formula and VISION. Officially licensed model cars of Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Zagato, etc.
MAL Studio – 1:43 scale Mercedes military, and Humvees, but also ZILs and GAZs. Kirov, Russia.
Mamod – Actual working steam engine models and vehicles.
Manoil – Diecast cars made in the US pre- and post-WWII.
Matsudaya – Japanese tinplate toy cars also known as MT or maybe Modern Toys.
Max Models – Diecast line of Mercedes-Benz from Louis B. Surber S.A. from France. Mainly during the 1990s. Made models for Danhausen then was absorbed by them into the Minichamps line.
Moebius – Related to the old Aurora. Mostly movie monster kits, but a few car models like the step down Hudson.
MOG Models – 1:43 scale resin kits made in France.
Moko / Moko Lesney – Distribution company that marketed Lesney Matchbox cars in the 1950s. Named for Moses Kohnstam. Moko was eventually bought by Lesney.
MP-43 – 1:43 scale made in Russia. Often reworked ZIL models.
MR Collection Models – 1:18 scale resin models handbuilt in Italy. Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Bugattis and Alfa Romeos in special paintcode combos. Limited runs of less than 90, but also one-offs. Special leather / alcantara bases.
MRC-Tamiya – For a time, the name of Tamiya. Made remote control cars even in 1:12 scale.
MRF / M.R.F. – 1:43 scale resin. Ferraris etc. Also called Record M.R.F.
MS – Chinese tinplate motorcycles and other from ca. 1960.
MT – Japanese tinplate, acronym for Modern Toys or Matsudaya.
MTech – Line of 1:43 scale diecast cars made in Japan by Epoch.
Muscle Machines – Cartoonish diecasts of '50s and '60s hot rod classic cars by Funline.
MVI – Resin kits of trucks and fire engines in 1:43 scale.
Mystère 43 – Alternate line of resin kits made by Jade Miniatures.
Open-43 – 1:43 scale resin model cars with opening parts. The most well-known item is the McLaren F1 street car with all opening doors and steering front wheels.
Orfey – 1:43 scale models made in Turkey. Iso Grifo and Lamborghini Miuri likely a secondary Corgi tooling. This company may have originally been Meboto.
Oto – More commonly known as Holland Oto which took over Efsi.
A. Ovchinnikov – 1:43 scale models of ZIL, Moskvitch, and VAZ cars, but often in different forms, like taxi, pickup, or camper. Made in Moscow.
Oxford Diecast – Swansea, Wales based UK company making 1:43, 1:76, 1:87, 1:148 vehicles, plus 1:72 planes. Mainly British vehicles in the spirit of Matchbox or Lledo. Slogan is 'Surprisingly affordable quality'. Celebrated 20 years of manufacturing in 2013, with roots back to Swansea Mettoy factory and Corgi staff. Final UK volume diecast manufacturer before main production moved to China. Website:
http://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk
Rastar – Various scales of diecast cars. Made by Xinghui Auto Model Co. Ltd. of Shantou, Guangdong, China.
Rawcliffe Pewter – accurate HO scale pewter models of 1950s American cars.
RBA Model – 1:43 scale models of mainly European racing cars.
RC2 – Large conglomerate taking over MPC, AMT, Ertl, some Aurora dies, and other names also.
Realtoys – Smaller to medium-sized diecast from China. Many models very well done. Many come in 1:54 scale, and are often found in toy retailers and supermarkets.
Record M.R.F. – Handbuilt White Metal Models from France. Often Ferraris.
HPL Replicars – HO scale plastic vintage auto kits like 1899 Renault and 1927 Bentley.
Replicars – 1:43 scale. Made in England for Dutch firm. White metal, sometimes copying Spot-On in 1:42 scale, but often are Italian Alfas. Defunct since about 1990s.
Retrotoys – Collectible resin cast cars sometimes in 1:12 scale like their Jaguar D-Type.
R.W. Model – Plastic and diecast classic cars in the Rio, Dugu, or Safir style. Later became
Ziss Modell.
Sablon – Belgian 1:43 scale diecast similar to Dinky and others, always with chemically reacted, melted wheels.
Saico – Manufacturer of sports cars such as Subaru Impreza, Ford Focus and Mitsubishi Evo. Good quality, and can be found in department stores like Boyes.
St. Louis – Small diecast producer making 1:43 oddities like the 1942 DeSoto Custom.
H. Seener – British firm making London promo recasts, mainly of Budgie / Morestone. Seerol came later.
Seerol – British firm selling promo and tourist vehicles of Rolls and London Taxis. Models most often recastings of Budgie / Morestone. H. Seener came first.
Selcol – British plastic toys. "Self-balancing" motorcycle.
Septoy – Belgian maker of diecast also known as Gasquy-Septoy.
SONSCO – Japanese tinplate cars and motorcycles among myriad other toys.
South Eastern Finecast – 1:43 scale model kits of classic English sports cars, mainly. Company was formerly Wills Finecast.
Southern Cross Miniatures – 1:43 scale handbuilt LeMans cars from 1950s/1960s from Victoria, Australia.
Spa Croft – British Manufacturer. Label like Danhausen, using models from many manufacturers? Nothing like Danhausen. Made by two pattern makers, cast by mainly one casting company, painted by mainly one company, assembled solely by GTA Models initially, then by Spa Croft Models, but always an original product, never a product by others. Like Somerville, producer of 1/43rd scale white metal models of British cars from the 1930s to the 1960s.
Spark – Mostly 1:43 scale European, originally in resin, but now diecast. Strengths are 'back of the pack' Formula 1 and GP models. Guangdong province. Variety is reminiscent of Minichamps.
SpecCast – Mostly 1:24 scale diecast line of Liberty Classics, Inc. headquartered in Dyersville, Iowa.
Speed Models – Line of resin cars in 1:43 by ABC Models.
S.R.C. Models – White metal F1 kits made in England.
SS – Shimazaki. Japanese tinplate toys in the 1950s and 1960s.
SSS International – Abbreviation for Shioji. Japanese tinplate toys, relation to SS is uncertain. Made Tiny Giant series in about 1:38 scale.
Arthur Paddy Stanley – White metal pre-war German racers built in the early 1970s.
Starline – 1:43 scale diecast. Mostly Italian cars, including Fiat, Lancia and Siata.
Sterling – Plastics company making Auburn Rubber style nicely proportioned plastic (not rubber) cars. Often they had pencil sharpeners underneath.
Stomper – Line of pull back motored and smaller unmotored trucks and SUVs by Schaper. Made in Hong Kong & Macau.
Straco – Plastic radio Controlled cars from about 1980s. Made in Hong Kong. Some interesting offerings like the Mercedes C-111 type 1.
Streamlux – Australian manufacturer that eventually provided the tooling for 9 models that became the core of the Fun Ho! Midget Scale Models line in New Zealand.
Strombecker – Slot car maker from the U.S. since the late '50s, later merged with Tootsietoy.
Sturditoy – Pressed steel trucks 1926–1933. Made by the Pressed Metal Company of Pawtucket, Rhode Island.
Aside it's only FEMCA Asian Champonships win (though not as prestigious nor as competitive in comparison to ROAR Nationals (in the US) and EFRA Euros), not a R/C majors frontrunner like XRAY, TLR, Associated, Kyosho etc; only thing of note was signing up double IFMAR champ
Atsushi Hara (from Hot Bodies) only for short time therefore may scrape for notability, although do appear in major competitive events)
SY – Japanese tinplate toy vehicles. Also known as Yoneya.
Takatoku Toys – Name of TT toys, Japanese tinplate toy car maker.
Tanaguchi – Japanese tinplate vehicles, also known as TKK.
Tantal – Soviet/Russian 1:43 scale model maker or exporting organization established in
Saratov. Tantal means tantalum in English, which is a very hard silver metal. Tantal is also a Russian weapons manufacturer that could have made models.
Taylor & Barratt – Britain. Diecast race cars, buses, etc. from around from the 1930s and 1940s.
Teama or Team A – Hong Kong producer of accurate plastic models including buses, trucks, ambulances and tractors. From 1:48 (tractor trailers) to 1:16 (forklifts).
Technofix – French copies of original German tinplate race sets featuring motorcycles, cars, buses, etc.
Tecnomodel – Handmade Resin Models in 1:18 and 1:43 scale made in Italy. Exclusive lines of Aston Martins, Lancias, Alfas, Maseratis, and McLarens.
Tek-Hoby Miniature – Diecast and resin made in Switzerland. Mostly Swiss Sauer trucks and buses. Mostly 1:50 scale. Also, 1:43 scale Citroen Traccion Avant & Peugeots that look like copies of Dubrays.
TO Models – All decades of 1:43 scale military Soviet trucks. Made in Ukraine.
Togi – Italy. Special Alfa Romeo promotionals from the Alfa factory.
Tomiyama – More accurate Japanese tinplate toys. Predecessor name to Tomy.
Tonkin – Diecast trucks about 1:64 scale. Made in the 1980s.
Top Gear – Remote control vehicle manufacturer including weird things like a Triumph Herald with a sail, and water crossing vehicles, amidst regular Ferrari fare.
Top Gear Pty – Australian diecast manufacturer. Makes models under its own banner and owns the Trax Models line of "Australian Motoring History".
Top Gold Model – Classic odd race cars like old Bugattis. Does not appear to be Top Model.
Toriumi factory – Early 1950s factory making Marusan tin toys.
Totem Industries – Balsa wood 'Jet' cars and others from about 1950.
Touchwood Models – 1:3 scale pedal cars and then different scales of land speed record cars and boats, from Norfolk, England. Relation to Omicron Models uncertain.
The red entries will turn to blue when you create the new articles. If you use a different article name then update this list appropriately or just delete it from this list after adding it to the article. Stepho talk 06:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Don't forget to check
WP:GNG and
WP:CORP, Creating a hundred articles whose only source is a listing in a sale catalogue will create massive drama (we have been there before). Otherwise: fill your boots, but please start by disambiguating any of the blue links above which are not actually relevant (whic is every single one I have checked so far). Guy (
Help!) 21:44, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Even if it were reliable, the source is not about the subject: it has some pictures of a car which claim to be made by a company with this name but there's nothing about the company, and to state that it makes models of this kind of car is
synthesis. So it des not support the statement or the entry in the list.
I know these things are niche, but there are magazines devoted to car models, both collectable and RC. That is the kind of source that's needed. Guy (
Help!) 21:40, 12 October 2016 (UTC)reply
You might not be "find anything useful on Google", not for a brand whose notability is limited to it's home country. You'll find most of the source
in here, particularly the early part, though I don't know much Japanese.
Donnie Park (
talk) 00:07, 13 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Why is the redrc reference not considered reliable? Red RC is a professional news company, not just some simple blog or forum.
Searching for "ABCホビ" (Japanese for "ABC Hobby") gives plenty of results - mostly Japanese of course. There is also a US arm of the company at
http://abchobbyusa.com/about-us.aspx . Using Donnie's link I searched for "hirosaka" (
Masami Hirosaka is an RC world champ) and found
http://www.rcmx.net/modules/wordpress1/ where he lists major accomplishments - including Japanese grand prix's sponsored by ABC Hobby.
Surely a Japanese company that is still running after 48 years, sponsors competitions big enough to attract world champs, hires world champs and also has a US arm is more than a back room guy making a handful of models. Granted that this is not quite enough to actually build an article but it does show it is worthy of having an article and that an interested editor could build an article with a bit more digging. I am concerned that you were willing to dismiss it as "probably always will be a red link" after such a meagre search. This is why
WP:REDLINKS is useful for encouraging new articles. Stepho talk 00:12, 15 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Please try to focus on the actual issue here. I am not saying that this is categorically not notable, what I am saying is that notability is not substantiated here, and Google shows it may be impossible to do so. Read the
general notability guidline: the litmus test is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If you want RedRC to qualify as a source you have to show that it has an editorial board, fact checking, and a reputation for reliability established by, for example, being quoted by other reliable sources such as newspapers and magazines. This is absolutely standard for Wikipedia, noth in any way special to this subject area. Remember,
Wikipedia is not a directory. Your passion for the subject is obvious and your belief that X, Y and Z| manufacturers are plainly of surpassing importance is clear, but you have to demonstrate that they meet inclusion guidelines, by reference to the same kind of sources every other subject has to use. Virtually every source you discuss turns out to be a catalogue listing or a review of a specific model, and only in extremely rare cases have you provided anything at all that is about the company. Teasing an article out of product reviews is simply not allowed by Wikipedia policy. Guy (
Help!) 07:53, 16 October 2016 (UTC)reply
to qualify as a source you have to show that it has an editorial board - I don't know if you are aware though I don't care about the static modelling industry anymore as I stopped collecting model cars years ago but since I started working on articles of R/C racing in 2014, I noticed that modelling magazines, especially those of R/C cars (especially with "an editorial board"), are becoming a dying breed. AFAIK, all French ones are now extinct; the longest running R/C car magazines, RCCI of the UK, folded in late 2015 after being in existence since 1981, thus the title goes to America's Radio Control Car Action (founded in 1985). These professional websites such as Red RC, NeoBuggy and Live RC, consisting of freelancers, are killing them. Thus in the future, what if all print magazines and newspapers becomes extinct and one-man news media like these websites I mentioned takes over? Are you all going to say these are not relaible third party sources.
Donnie Park (
talk) 14:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Specialist magazines are thriving in some areas, not in others. In some case they are now online, but still with editorial boards run by provable experts. In other case, they are just fansites and not usable for Wikipedia. We don't rewrite our policies in order to allow us to keep articles on subjects that can't meet them, though. Guy (
Help!) 21:18, 2 November 2016 (UTC)reply