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Here's what I was told via my talk page:
"I built a population database to automatically update this and numerous other population tables, but other editors elected to manually modify these tables instead, so I finally gave up. --Buaidh (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)"
Ok, so initially all of this data from the U.S Census Estimates were being pulled directly from a table that a user here was overseeing. This, as I have been told by the user who did this, is no longer the case. Therefore, most of the Metro Populations in this table are NOT reflecting the new 2008 estimates. Those estimates can be found here: http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/tables/2008/CBSA-EST2008-01.csv . I've also updated that reference in the article. Therefore, you'll need to manually change a city's numbers. Unless someone goes back to using the automatically updated table - but I dont know how that was being done. -- UtahStizzle ( talk) 04:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
It seams that the San Juan Metro Area is not in the list but is shown in the pictures used. Right now i dont have the exact numbers with me but acording to the wiki page it had 2,715,744 in 2007. It should be added. Also theres other metro areas in Puerto Rico that make the list aswell. Automotivado ( talk) 05:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Need to add the Pensacola metropolitan area, which comprises Escambia and Santa Rosa counties, and has a population of 439,877. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola,_Florida —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.173.64 ( talk) 12:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
When sorting by Population Increase/Decrease, Baton Rouge is listed out of order. I don't know how to fix this. TerrificBowler ( talk) 16:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Please do not change population data in the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Population data is downloaded directly from the United States Census Bureau. If you disagree with the estimates from the Census Bureau, please contact the Bureau. -- Buaidh 23:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
When the chart is alphabetical by state, it uses abbreviations instead of spelling. For example, Alaska (AK), comes before Alabama (AL). Can this be changed? -- RockRNC 22:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
When will the estimates for 2007 become available? --merrick79 20:05, 26 August 2007
That the "San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont MSA" is only the north/central portion of the Bay Area. The Bay Area also covers Silicon Valley, and the so-called "Santa Rosa, Napa, and Fairfield-Vallejo MSAs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 ( talk) 03:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The page for the San Francisco Bay MSA says that the population was over 6,000,000 at the 2000 census but this only says 4,000,000 24.4.7.252 ( talk) 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
California Problems
This article is supposed to be about United States Census Bureau Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Metropolitan nicknames are for subjective, and often ill defined, regions. I see little use for the metro nicknames in this article. -- Buaidh ( talk) 06:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree. These nicknames seem to be completely arbitrary, and I doubt that many people outside a given area have heard of those nicknames.-- 209.183.34.44 ( talk) 15:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, Greater Los Angeles Also includes as far south Costa Mesa, as Orange and even Ventura counties is unquestionably as much a part of Los Angeles County as New Jersey and Pennsylvania is to Greater New York.
Nicknames can be useful information when developing local marketing material. This may not be the best location for them but it is good information. Khawley ( talk) 17:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Your information is way outdated. The 2008 estimates are out from the US Census Bureau and ought to be reflected. I think you probably have pre-2000 data for Milwaukee even, as its current estimated metro population is 1,773,519 (much higher than the 1.5 million you have listed here) Maximilian77 ( talk) 20:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, most states, counties, and cities will prepare their own population estimates because they receive funds from the federal government based on their population. The more people, the more funds received. It's always best to use the U.S. Census count (federal government) because they will have no motivation for upping or downplaying population loss for any city or metropolitan area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 23:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I wish to post a note that on the page "Raleigh, NC" it shows a number over 1,000,000 pop for the Raleigh-Cary-Durham metro area, whereas on this page it shows just under 1,000,000 pop. Plese look into this. 68.221.15.11 ( talk) 16:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/
I got through about 142 of them. Please check my work or complete the list if you have the time and don't have carpal-tunnel syndrome. Thanks. Ufwuct ( talk) 20:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I lived in Chicagoland for 30 years and never heard the term Chicago Metro ever used. Anybody hazard a guess where this comes from?
Davidyorke ( talk) 09:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Southern California and SoCal should not be included as nicknames. These names are in reference to a larger area than the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area. The terms are used with the San Diego region as well as some desert communities in addition to LA. I'm taking them out... Kevintheomanharris ( talk) 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Here they are if anyone is interested:
http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/metro.html
Thanks. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The article claims 2008 estimations are being used, but this is not the case for most I have examined. Most seem to be at 2007. Should we correct ones we'd like to? It was mentioned earlier on this page that the numbers are downloaded from the Census site. -- UtahStizzle ( talk) 05:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
it seems a few large areas have been neglected. Indio/Palm Springs for example is not on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.189.140 ( talk) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no listing of "Inland Empire", you may want to to some research before posting an area you thought was on the article page. Which raises a good question, where is the Palm Springs/Indio metro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Postiewithmostie ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Maybe there is some kind of method I don't know about, but the rank numbers seem to be very odd. They skip number regularly and such. Also, the Decatur, AL metro's population is listed as 150,125 per the census. I attempted to fix this, but I decided to leave it alone since the rankings were so weird. Please, someone tell me I'm not the only one that is noticing these problems. AlaGuy ( talk) 05:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please read the explanation of rank. Rank is among all Core Based Statistical Areas. Buaidh ( talk) 13:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
While nicknames are of necessity unofficial, how correct are some of these? For example, Nashville-Davidson County, Tennessee often refers to itself semi-officially as "Metro" (i.e., "Metro Police Department"), but this nickname is not an appropriate designation for the entire MSA as it means just Davidson County. However, "The Midstate" is more likely to refer to all of Middle Tennessee than it is just the Nashville MSA.
4.152.165.57 ( talk) 21:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the NY tri state area NJ, NY and CT? When did PA become the third state after NJ? GG The Fly ( talk) 03:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I updated the table with United States Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2008. Please do not alter the table. I reduced the length of this article to 65 KiB. I will update the table with the Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2009, about March 31, 2010. Yours aye, Buaidh ( talk) 16:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear; did some MSAs get geographically enlarged between 2000 and 2008? Abductive ( reasoning) 04:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Should "List of United States Metropolitan Areas" redirect somewhere other than this table (or have a separate page)? The US census defines "metropolitan area" and "metropolitan statistical area" differently: some MAs are designated as CMSAs rather than MSAs, and then are divided into multiple "primary metropolitan statistical areas." A table of MSAs will list the separate subentities rather than the entire census-designated metropolitan area. That means that if someone's looking up a list of "metropolitan areas" and gets this page, the list they'll get is not accurate. A list of metropolitan areas (using census definitions) would not have separate listings for Washington DC and Baltimore; for San Francisco and San Jose; or for Los Angeles and Riverside/San Bernardino.
See census definitions at: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/doc/pl94-171.pdf
The information on which separate MSAs are not actually separate MAs could just be added to this page, but while that's important information for someone wanting a list of MAs, it's not particularly relevant to this page's primary designation (table of MSAs). So, it might make more sense just to remove the redirect and put up something different for "list of US metropolitan areas."
68.122.43.45 ( talk) 22:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear if this is the best place to post this, but: There's a wide variety of quality and coverage of information in the MSA pages linked from this page. Should a template be created for MSA pages, including, for example: Demographic info, territorial coverage, culture and education, commerce, climate, media coverage, sports and famous residents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamGoodfellow ( talk • contribs) 06:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
this data is considered metro population by many articles that link there. but most of the cities cover areas 5-10 larger than other world metro areas (metro Toronto covers about 4 times less area than Denver or Houston even though it would have much more people if it was allowed the same statistical area). Grmike ( talk) 17:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)grmike
Does anyone else find it bizarre that LA-Long Beach and Riverside-San Bernardino are not combined? I suppose the definition as two separate metropolitan areas is not our choice, but shouldn't there be some note to the effect that there IS NO SEPARATION between the two? Even Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Camarillo-Ventura-Oxnard are barely separated by a mile or so of uninhabited hills from Los Angeles. When you hit the outskirts of Ventura coming from Santa Barbara, you can literally drive to Santa Clarita (northeast), or to Redlands/Yucaipa (east) or to Corona (southeast) or to San Clemente (southeast) and not run out of urban area. The combined LA/LB Riverside/San Berdo areas alone come to 17,017,910. Adding the Oxnard-Ventura-Thousand Oaks metropolitan area brings the real total to 17,820,893. Of course, the San Diego metropolitan area is separated from the aforementioned areas by only 18 miles of Camp Pendleton. InFairness ( talk) 03:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
But it's funny the original poster mentioned Ventura. I note that Santa Barbara, CA is grouped with Santa Maria, CA. Santa Barbara is a good 70 miles by road from Santa Maria. The two cities are separated by miles of rugged, completely undeveloped country, a gigantic cultural divide, and a major geographic boundary (Pt Conception) that separates the west-facing coast of central California from the south-facing coast of southern California. On the other hand, Santa Barbara is only 30 miles from Ventura to the south - although these two cities no more form a "metropolitan region" than Santa Barbara and Santa Maria do. These "metropolitan regions" clearly exist for no reason other than the convenience of Census Bureau's computer programmers. Wikipedia shouldn't buy into their convenient but entirely bogus view of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.67.137 ( talk) 02:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The 2010 census has been fully released for a few days now, please keep Wikipedia reliable and update this article. I would be happy to help but I don't have the time to do it all myself at this time. Sub! 22:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
The Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC MSA is omitted in this article and has been replaced by the Greenville-Mauldin-Easley MSA. Here is one source for this information: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/facts/local_data_sc_greenville
Metro Area Factsheet: Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, South Carolina MSA
Summary Metro Area Data (and Source)
Population (2008 CB est.): 1,072,991 Population (2000 Census): 962,448 Foreign-born Population (2008 FAIR est.): 62,920 Foreign-born Population (2000 Census): 34,207 Share Foreign-Born (2008): 5.9% Share Foreign-Born (2000): 3.6% Population Projection 2025 (FAIR): 1,172,100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasYoshi ( talk • contribs) 04:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible that we could indicate in some way metropolitan areas that added counties over the time period given? I'd guess most MSAs stayed the same size, but I'd also bet that there are enough that added counties pulling in commuters from even further away for this to be worth noting. There are probably even a few that lost a county or two. Anyone want to look this up? Maybe, start doing the ones over 1 million? I'd suggest maybe just sticking an astericks somewhere in the chart. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 08:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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FYI: There is an ongoing discussion at WP:CFD regarding the names of categories for certain US metropolitan areas. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 March 4#Metropolitan areas in the United States. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
On February 28, 2013, the United States Office of Management and Budget defined, renamed, and redefined a large number of United States Statistical Areaa. Please help relink the red-linked Statistical Areas to the appropriate metropolitan area article. If the Statistical Area comprises only one county, please link to that county. Thank you, Buaidh 14:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
As a long-time resident of Bloomington-Normal, Illinois, I am beyond confused both as to how the claimed population of the Bloomington metropolitan area is higher than the entire population of the county in which it sits (188,000 claimed versus ~170,000 per official statistics), and as to why Bloomington has been paired with Pontiac, a city in a neighboring county, rather than with Normal, its twin city. In fact, I am going to change it, but I am sure someone else can change it more appropriately. 63.226.212.83 ( talk) 22:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
What are the thoughts on GDP being added to the table? http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2013/pdf/gdp_metro0213.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crew88 ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
The Kokomo Indiana metropolitan area has nearly 100,000 people in it, not 82,000! 82,000 is just Howard County, which is just one county in the area! Kokomo's metropolitan area is made up of Howard County, and Tipton County in Indiana. Howard County had 82,752 in 2010, and 82,849 in 2012. ( http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18067.html) Tipton County had 15,936 in 2010, and 15,695 in 2012. ( http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18159.html) Meaning the metro area had 98,688 in 2010, and 98,544 (the loss would be due to Tipton County.) 2601:D:A180:2DB:C476:9AE1:FF97:1138 ( talk) 15:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Something's wrong with those. I don't know where to find the census data, or I would fix it. I believe there should be two separate MSAs listed, one for Gulfport-Biloxi, and one for Pascagoula. There should also be a CSA listed for the whole area on the CSA list, but I didn't see one there.
CBSA,MDIV,STCOU,NAME,LSAD,CENSUS2010POP,ESTIMATESBASE2010,POPESTIMATE2010,POPESTIMATE2011,POPESTIMATE2012,POPESTIMATE2013,NPOPCHG2010,NPOPCHG2011,NPOPCHG2012,NPOPCHG2013,NATURALINC2010,NATURALINC2011,NATURALINC2012,NATURALINC2013,BIRTHS2010,BIRTHS2011,BIRTHS2012,BIRTHS2013,DEATHS2010,DEATHS2011,DEATHS2012,DEATHS2013,NETMIG2010,NETMIG2011,NETMIG2012,NETMIG2013,INTERNATIONALMIG2010,INTERNATIONALMIG2011,INTERNATIONALMIG2012,INTERNATIONALMIG2013,DOMESTICMIG2010,DOMESTICMIG2011,DOMESTICMIG2012,DOMESTICMIG2013,RESIDUAL2010,RESIDUAL2011,RESIDUAL2012,RESIDUAL2013 25060,,,"Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS",Metropolitan Statistical Area,370702,370702,371475,375719,379007,382516,773,4244,3288,3509,340,1531,1496,1585,1264,4873,4933,4931,924,3342,3437,3346,434,2559,1803,1874,228,508,1209,805,206,2051,594,1069,-1,154,-11,50
My point was to show the usage of the name (getting 2013-figures is awkward on this page) TEDickey ( talk) 23:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
The reference that gave us a clean list of metro populations and their rankings is gone. I found another one we could use here, but it's a flat csv file -- rankings would have to be determined by loading into a spreadsheet and sorting. Can anyone find a better reference? I don't want to change this one too quickly. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
I have updated the names used in the table to reflect changes made by the Office of Management and Budget on November 20, 2007. The former names were used in the latest Census Bureau population estimates (as of July 1, 2007) and will change to the present names at the next update. [1] -- Acntx ( talk) 22:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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this article says it gets info from us census but the census info is totally different http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/phc-t3/tables/tab03.pdf |
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Could the Dayton, Ohio MSA population be changed to reflect official Census Bureau information for 2010 as referenced here: [1] Thank you in advance to anyone who can help! Texas141 ( talk) 18:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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The US Census Bureau has updated the numbers for 2014 for all metro areas. (link) Table needs to be updated. 24.248.216.135 ( talk) 17:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Can a Total row be added for the population columns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.226.87 ( talk) 03:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Number 51 Albany-Schnectady-Troy should be 61 not 51 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.76.145 ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
They can be found here - http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2015/index.html - Not sure how we automatically / batch update this table, but would love to know how. UtahStizzle ( talk) 16:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not too great with adding in sections of tables, but it would be really helpful I think if after population change and before CSA Columns someone added the size of the metro area in square miles and then the density next to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobylefko ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Why isn't San Diego on the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.240.17 ( talk) 16:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
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On 15 August 2017, the Office of Management and Budget released a new list of metropolitan statistical areas, micropolitan statistical areas and combined statistical areas: OMB Bulletin 17-01. There are now 390 MSAs (383 in the US, 7 in Puerto Rico). Many things need to be changed by whoever does that. 209.179.74.58 ( talk) 02:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
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List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas → List of metropolitan statistical areas – Metropolitan statistical area is not capitalized. feminist ( talk) 02:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. samee talk 13:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
1. There is one MSA missing from this list, namely the Twin Falls, ID MSA. It was added in the OMB Bulletin 17-01, which supersedes previous bulletins.
2. There is no such thing as Danbury, CT MSA (it's a NECTA, not an MSA), so it should be deleted from this list. Danbury, CT is a principal city in the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA.
3. The Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA is now called Raleigh, NC MSA. Cary hasn't been a principal city in the MSA since the updates made after Census 2010.
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Apparently, the Census Bureau must have completed compiling their 2012-2016 data, because the executive Office of Management and Budget released new delineations on September 14, 2018:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf
Updates are annual, but only twice a decade do we get major delineations since the major ones use a 5-year average of the American Community Survey data for commuting. Up until this year they were using 2009-2013 data. Anyway, for those involved in updates to the chart, that's the new delineations. Some major changes, some not changed at all. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 07:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Puerto Rico is in the United States. There’s no good reason to give it its own section but not separate sections for other cities or states. -- 63.243.196.34 ( talk) 06:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Here's what I was told via my talk page:
"I built a population database to automatically update this and numerous other population tables, but other editors elected to manually modify these tables instead, so I finally gave up. --Buaidh (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)"
Ok, so initially all of this data from the U.S Census Estimates were being pulled directly from a table that a user here was overseeing. This, as I have been told by the user who did this, is no longer the case. Therefore, most of the Metro Populations in this table are NOT reflecting the new 2008 estimates. Those estimates can be found here: http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/tables/2008/CBSA-EST2008-01.csv . I've also updated that reference in the article. Therefore, you'll need to manually change a city's numbers. Unless someone goes back to using the automatically updated table - but I dont know how that was being done. -- UtahStizzle ( talk) 04:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
It seams that the San Juan Metro Area is not in the list but is shown in the pictures used. Right now i dont have the exact numbers with me but acording to the wiki page it had 2,715,744 in 2007. It should be added. Also theres other metro areas in Puerto Rico that make the list aswell. Automotivado ( talk) 05:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Need to add the Pensacola metropolitan area, which comprises Escambia and Santa Rosa counties, and has a population of 439,877. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola,_Florida —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.173.64 ( talk) 12:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
When sorting by Population Increase/Decrease, Baton Rouge is listed out of order. I don't know how to fix this. TerrificBowler ( talk) 16:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Please do not change population data in the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Population data is downloaded directly from the United States Census Bureau. If you disagree with the estimates from the Census Bureau, please contact the Bureau. -- Buaidh 23:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
When the chart is alphabetical by state, it uses abbreviations instead of spelling. For example, Alaska (AK), comes before Alabama (AL). Can this be changed? -- RockRNC 22:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
When will the estimates for 2007 become available? --merrick79 20:05, 26 August 2007
That the "San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont MSA" is only the north/central portion of the Bay Area. The Bay Area also covers Silicon Valley, and the so-called "Santa Rosa, Napa, and Fairfield-Vallejo MSAs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 ( talk) 03:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The page for the San Francisco Bay MSA says that the population was over 6,000,000 at the 2000 census but this only says 4,000,000 24.4.7.252 ( talk) 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
California Problems
This article is supposed to be about United States Census Bureau Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Metropolitan nicknames are for subjective, and often ill defined, regions. I see little use for the metro nicknames in this article. -- Buaidh ( talk) 06:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree. These nicknames seem to be completely arbitrary, and I doubt that many people outside a given area have heard of those nicknames.-- 209.183.34.44 ( talk) 15:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, Greater Los Angeles Also includes as far south Costa Mesa, as Orange and even Ventura counties is unquestionably as much a part of Los Angeles County as New Jersey and Pennsylvania is to Greater New York.
Nicknames can be useful information when developing local marketing material. This may not be the best location for them but it is good information. Khawley ( talk) 17:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Your information is way outdated. The 2008 estimates are out from the US Census Bureau and ought to be reflected. I think you probably have pre-2000 data for Milwaukee even, as its current estimated metro population is 1,773,519 (much higher than the 1.5 million you have listed here) Maximilian77 ( talk) 20:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, most states, counties, and cities will prepare their own population estimates because they receive funds from the federal government based on their population. The more people, the more funds received. It's always best to use the U.S. Census count (federal government) because they will have no motivation for upping or downplaying population loss for any city or metropolitan area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 23:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I wish to post a note that on the page "Raleigh, NC" it shows a number over 1,000,000 pop for the Raleigh-Cary-Durham metro area, whereas on this page it shows just under 1,000,000 pop. Plese look into this. 68.221.15.11 ( talk) 16:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/
I got through about 142 of them. Please check my work or complete the list if you have the time and don't have carpal-tunnel syndrome. Thanks. Ufwuct ( talk) 20:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I lived in Chicagoland for 30 years and never heard the term Chicago Metro ever used. Anybody hazard a guess where this comes from?
Davidyorke ( talk) 09:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Southern California and SoCal should not be included as nicknames. These names are in reference to a larger area than the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area. The terms are used with the San Diego region as well as some desert communities in addition to LA. I'm taking them out... Kevintheomanharris ( talk) 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Here they are if anyone is interested:
http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/metro.html
Thanks. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 09:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The article claims 2008 estimations are being used, but this is not the case for most I have examined. Most seem to be at 2007. Should we correct ones we'd like to? It was mentioned earlier on this page that the numbers are downloaded from the Census site. -- UtahStizzle ( talk) 05:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
it seems a few large areas have been neglected. Indio/Palm Springs for example is not on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.189.140 ( talk) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no listing of "Inland Empire", you may want to to some research before posting an area you thought was on the article page. Which raises a good question, where is the Palm Springs/Indio metro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Postiewithmostie ( talk • contribs) 22:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Maybe there is some kind of method I don't know about, but the rank numbers seem to be very odd. They skip number regularly and such. Also, the Decatur, AL metro's population is listed as 150,125 per the census. I attempted to fix this, but I decided to leave it alone since the rankings were so weird. Please, someone tell me I'm not the only one that is noticing these problems. AlaGuy ( talk) 05:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please read the explanation of rank. Rank is among all Core Based Statistical Areas. Buaidh ( talk) 13:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
While nicknames are of necessity unofficial, how correct are some of these? For example, Nashville-Davidson County, Tennessee often refers to itself semi-officially as "Metro" (i.e., "Metro Police Department"), but this nickname is not an appropriate designation for the entire MSA as it means just Davidson County. However, "The Midstate" is more likely to refer to all of Middle Tennessee than it is just the Nashville MSA.
4.152.165.57 ( talk) 21:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the NY tri state area NJ, NY and CT? When did PA become the third state after NJ? GG The Fly ( talk) 03:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I updated the table with United States Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2008. Please do not alter the table. I reduced the length of this article to 65 KiB. I will update the table with the Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2009, about March 31, 2010. Yours aye, Buaidh ( talk) 16:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear; did some MSAs get geographically enlarged between 2000 and 2008? Abductive ( reasoning) 04:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Should "List of United States Metropolitan Areas" redirect somewhere other than this table (or have a separate page)? The US census defines "metropolitan area" and "metropolitan statistical area" differently: some MAs are designated as CMSAs rather than MSAs, and then are divided into multiple "primary metropolitan statistical areas." A table of MSAs will list the separate subentities rather than the entire census-designated metropolitan area. That means that if someone's looking up a list of "metropolitan areas" and gets this page, the list they'll get is not accurate. A list of metropolitan areas (using census definitions) would not have separate listings for Washington DC and Baltimore; for San Francisco and San Jose; or for Los Angeles and Riverside/San Bernardino.
See census definitions at: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/doc/pl94-171.pdf
The information on which separate MSAs are not actually separate MAs could just be added to this page, but while that's important information for someone wanting a list of MAs, it's not particularly relevant to this page's primary designation (table of MSAs). So, it might make more sense just to remove the redirect and put up something different for "list of US metropolitan areas."
68.122.43.45 ( talk) 22:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm unclear if this is the best place to post this, but: There's a wide variety of quality and coverage of information in the MSA pages linked from this page. Should a template be created for MSA pages, including, for example: Demographic info, territorial coverage, culture and education, commerce, climate, media coverage, sports and famous residents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamGoodfellow ( talk • contribs) 06:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
this data is considered metro population by many articles that link there. but most of the cities cover areas 5-10 larger than other world metro areas (metro Toronto covers about 4 times less area than Denver or Houston even though it would have much more people if it was allowed the same statistical area). Grmike ( talk) 17:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)grmike
Does anyone else find it bizarre that LA-Long Beach and Riverside-San Bernardino are not combined? I suppose the definition as two separate metropolitan areas is not our choice, but shouldn't there be some note to the effect that there IS NO SEPARATION between the two? Even Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Camarillo-Ventura-Oxnard are barely separated by a mile or so of uninhabited hills from Los Angeles. When you hit the outskirts of Ventura coming from Santa Barbara, you can literally drive to Santa Clarita (northeast), or to Redlands/Yucaipa (east) or to Corona (southeast) or to San Clemente (southeast) and not run out of urban area. The combined LA/LB Riverside/San Berdo areas alone come to 17,017,910. Adding the Oxnard-Ventura-Thousand Oaks metropolitan area brings the real total to 17,820,893. Of course, the San Diego metropolitan area is separated from the aforementioned areas by only 18 miles of Camp Pendleton. InFairness ( talk) 03:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
But it's funny the original poster mentioned Ventura. I note that Santa Barbara, CA is grouped with Santa Maria, CA. Santa Barbara is a good 70 miles by road from Santa Maria. The two cities are separated by miles of rugged, completely undeveloped country, a gigantic cultural divide, and a major geographic boundary (Pt Conception) that separates the west-facing coast of central California from the south-facing coast of southern California. On the other hand, Santa Barbara is only 30 miles from Ventura to the south - although these two cities no more form a "metropolitan region" than Santa Barbara and Santa Maria do. These "metropolitan regions" clearly exist for no reason other than the convenience of Census Bureau's computer programmers. Wikipedia shouldn't buy into their convenient but entirely bogus view of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.67.137 ( talk) 02:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The 2010 census has been fully released for a few days now, please keep Wikipedia reliable and update this article. I would be happy to help but I don't have the time to do it all myself at this time. Sub! 22:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
The Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC MSA is omitted in this article and has been replaced by the Greenville-Mauldin-Easley MSA. Here is one source for this information: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/facts/local_data_sc_greenville
Metro Area Factsheet: Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, South Carolina MSA
Summary Metro Area Data (and Source)
Population (2008 CB est.): 1,072,991 Population (2000 Census): 962,448 Foreign-born Population (2008 FAIR est.): 62,920 Foreign-born Population (2000 Census): 34,207 Share Foreign-Born (2008): 5.9% Share Foreign-Born (2000): 3.6% Population Projection 2025 (FAIR): 1,172,100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasYoshi ( talk • contribs) 04:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible that we could indicate in some way metropolitan areas that added counties over the time period given? I'd guess most MSAs stayed the same size, but I'd also bet that there are enough that added counties pulling in commuters from even further away for this to be worth noting. There are probably even a few that lost a county or two. Anyone want to look this up? Maybe, start doing the ones over 1 million? I'd suggest maybe just sticking an astericks somewhere in the chart. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 08:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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FYI: There is an ongoing discussion at WP:CFD regarding the names of categories for certain US metropolitan areas. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 March 4#Metropolitan areas in the United States. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
On February 28, 2013, the United States Office of Management and Budget defined, renamed, and redefined a large number of United States Statistical Areaa. Please help relink the red-linked Statistical Areas to the appropriate metropolitan area article. If the Statistical Area comprises only one county, please link to that county. Thank you, Buaidh 14:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
As a long-time resident of Bloomington-Normal, Illinois, I am beyond confused both as to how the claimed population of the Bloomington metropolitan area is higher than the entire population of the county in which it sits (188,000 claimed versus ~170,000 per official statistics), and as to why Bloomington has been paired with Pontiac, a city in a neighboring county, rather than with Normal, its twin city. In fact, I am going to change it, but I am sure someone else can change it more appropriately. 63.226.212.83 ( talk) 22:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
What are the thoughts on GDP being added to the table? http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2013/pdf/gdp_metro0213.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crew88 ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
The Kokomo Indiana metropolitan area has nearly 100,000 people in it, not 82,000! 82,000 is just Howard County, which is just one county in the area! Kokomo's metropolitan area is made up of Howard County, and Tipton County in Indiana. Howard County had 82,752 in 2010, and 82,849 in 2012. ( http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18067.html) Tipton County had 15,936 in 2010, and 15,695 in 2012. ( http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18159.html) Meaning the metro area had 98,688 in 2010, and 98,544 (the loss would be due to Tipton County.) 2601:D:A180:2DB:C476:9AE1:FF97:1138 ( talk) 15:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Something's wrong with those. I don't know where to find the census data, or I would fix it. I believe there should be two separate MSAs listed, one for Gulfport-Biloxi, and one for Pascagoula. There should also be a CSA listed for the whole area on the CSA list, but I didn't see one there.
CBSA,MDIV,STCOU,NAME,LSAD,CENSUS2010POP,ESTIMATESBASE2010,POPESTIMATE2010,POPESTIMATE2011,POPESTIMATE2012,POPESTIMATE2013,NPOPCHG2010,NPOPCHG2011,NPOPCHG2012,NPOPCHG2013,NATURALINC2010,NATURALINC2011,NATURALINC2012,NATURALINC2013,BIRTHS2010,BIRTHS2011,BIRTHS2012,BIRTHS2013,DEATHS2010,DEATHS2011,DEATHS2012,DEATHS2013,NETMIG2010,NETMIG2011,NETMIG2012,NETMIG2013,INTERNATIONALMIG2010,INTERNATIONALMIG2011,INTERNATIONALMIG2012,INTERNATIONALMIG2013,DOMESTICMIG2010,DOMESTICMIG2011,DOMESTICMIG2012,DOMESTICMIG2013,RESIDUAL2010,RESIDUAL2011,RESIDUAL2012,RESIDUAL2013 25060,,,"Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS",Metropolitan Statistical Area,370702,370702,371475,375719,379007,382516,773,4244,3288,3509,340,1531,1496,1585,1264,4873,4933,4931,924,3342,3437,3346,434,2559,1803,1874,228,508,1209,805,206,2051,594,1069,-1,154,-11,50
My point was to show the usage of the name (getting 2013-figures is awkward on this page) TEDickey ( talk) 23:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
The reference that gave us a clean list of metro populations and their rankings is gone. I found another one we could use here, but it's a flat csv file -- rankings would have to be determined by loading into a spreadsheet and sorting. Can anyone find a better reference? I don't want to change this one too quickly. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
I have updated the names used in the table to reflect changes made by the Office of Management and Budget on November 20, 2007. The former names were used in the latest Census Bureau population estimates (as of July 1, 2007) and will change to the present names at the next update. [1] -- Acntx ( talk) 22:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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this article says it gets info from us census but the census info is totally different http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/phc-t3/tables/tab03.pdf |
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Could the Dayton, Ohio MSA population be changed to reflect official Census Bureau information for 2010 as referenced here: [1] Thank you in advance to anyone who can help! Texas141 ( talk) 18:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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The US Census Bureau has updated the numbers for 2014 for all metro areas. (link) Table needs to be updated. 24.248.216.135 ( talk) 17:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Can a Total row be added for the population columns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.226.87 ( talk) 03:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Number 51 Albany-Schnectady-Troy should be 61 not 51 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.76.145 ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
They can be found here - http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2015/index.html - Not sure how we automatically / batch update this table, but would love to know how. UtahStizzle ( talk) 16:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not too great with adding in sections of tables, but it would be really helpful I think if after population change and before CSA Columns someone added the size of the metro area in square miles and then the density next to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobylefko ( talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Why isn't San Diego on the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.240.17 ( talk) 16:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
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On 15 August 2017, the Office of Management and Budget released a new list of metropolitan statistical areas, micropolitan statistical areas and combined statistical areas: OMB Bulletin 17-01. There are now 390 MSAs (383 in the US, 7 in Puerto Rico). Many things need to be changed by whoever does that. 209.179.74.58 ( talk) 02:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Seeing as how there's no evidence for this claim except one person claiming it's wrong in the edit history, and seeing as how the only Google result that supports this is this article, and seeing as how the table that's here is a perfect match for the Census Bureau's table on their site, I think we can go ahead and remove this. V35322 ( talk) 09:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
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List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas → List of metropolitan statistical areas – Metropolitan statistical area is not capitalized. feminist ( talk) 02:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. samee talk 13:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
1. There is one MSA missing from this list, namely the Twin Falls, ID MSA. It was added in the OMB Bulletin 17-01, which supersedes previous bulletins.
2. There is no such thing as Danbury, CT MSA (it's a NECTA, not an MSA), so it should be deleted from this list. Danbury, CT is a principal city in the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA.
3. The Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA is now called Raleigh, NC MSA. Cary hasn't been a principal city in the MSA since the updates made after Census 2010.
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Apparently, the Census Bureau must have completed compiling their 2012-2016 data, because the executive Office of Management and Budget released new delineations on September 14, 2018:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf
Updates are annual, but only twice a decade do we get major delineations since the major ones use a 5-year average of the American Community Survey data for commuting. Up until this year they were using 2009-2013 data. Anyway, for those involved in updates to the chart, that's the new delineations. Some major changes, some not changed at all. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 07:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Puerto Rico is in the United States. There’s no good reason to give it its own section but not separate sections for other cities or states. -- 63.243.196.34 ( talk) 06:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)