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The Naples rail transport system is rather complicated, and seems to have evolved in recent years in ways that are not yet reflected in Wikipedia articles (new operator for some commuter lines, new line numbers). While trying to make sense of it, I've taken interest in the Naples–Aversa railway, a fully subterranean line in the Northern suburbs, opened in stages between 2005 and 2009. It is categorized as a metro line (Line 11, "linea Arcobaleno", that is "Rainbow line") in the official system map published by the Naples Mobility Agency [1]. Clearly, line 2, that they also present as a metro line, is just a higher-frequency commuter line, but line 11 is fully separated from the regular railway network and seems to have rather high service frequency (10 to 15 minutes according to its article, I haven't checked sources directly). I haven't found previous discussion regarding this line in the archives. Would it make sense to include it in the totals for the Naples network on this page? GDarley ( talk) 11:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
When I realised these metros weren't in the list, I went to add them, but then found in the code a request to not add these transport systems since they have "deficiencies". Why shouldn't, for example, MetroValencia, fit in this list? Seems like a full metro system like any other to me. Maybe some clarification on this? These metro systems are included in the Spanish wikipedia, for example.
As per MOS:FLAG, the flags in the table need to go as they are unnecessarily distracting and provide no encyclopaedic use. Canterbury Tail talk 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Hangzhou–Haining intercity railway basic like Hangzhou Metro. And it can be directly exchanged with Hangzhou Metro-- Qa003qa003 ( talk) 14:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Should metro systems that are about to start construction be added? Or do they have to be actively under counstruction? 192.231.40.122 ( talk) 18:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
What's the rationale behind Perugia MiniMetro not being on the list? Okay, very small cars but specific tracks, no pedestrian crossings, within a city, high frequency...-- Bouzinac ( talk) 21:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
So the Tyne and Wear Metro was removed, after a great deal of controversy, because it contains grade crossings. However, the Chicago L, Oslo Metro, and Rotterdam Metro also contain grade crossings. Should these systems be removed as well?
It should be noted that each of these entries contain a note explaining that there are grade crossings. -- Rckania ( talk) 18:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I know that this had been a recurring topic on this talk, but I've noticed a lot of them don't come to a real conclusion, nor consider many facts which I consider to be reasons why Seoul Metro figures should include at least the Korail-operated lines, and perhaps even Incheon Metro. I noticed many arguments saying that regional rail should not be included as they are not included for other cities. However, these systems that many like to call "regional rail" have more to do in common with metro lines than rail lines.
Before I say anything further, I would like to say that I find it quite ironic that the list would exclude sections not operated by Seoul in length figures, yet cite the Hanam line for the last expansion of 2021. I feel this ironic because the Hanam line, despite being operated by Seoul Metro, is NOT owned by Seoul. Instead, it is owned by the Gyeonggi province.
With that out of the way, I would like to establish that some parts that are operated by other operators are integral to Seoul-operated sections. The best example is line 1. Line 1 is less than 10 km long, and there is not a single operating pattern, not even at nighttime, that operates Seoul-operated sections only. In other parts, of the network, the opposite is true. Take the Ilsan line, for instance, the line only stretches from Jichuk to Daehwa and doesn't even have its own depot, relying entirely on Seoul-operated sections. For this reason, I would say that tearing apart lines based on operators is nonsensical.
If splitting sections based on the operator is to be rejected, then what would you cite as the dividing line between "regional trains" and metro lines? Rolling stocks are a no-go because the rolling stocks for lines 1 through 4 have more to do in common for rolling stocks these so-called "regional" lines than lines 5 through 9. Platform height is another no-go because the "regional" services have higher platform height specifically for compatibility with metro lines. Judging based on whether or not other rail services exist may sound good, until you realize that vast sections of line 1 are shared by other rail services, including the KTX (this includes the underground Seoul-operated sections, as they are used by Korail locomotives to deliver new rolling stock to line 2, and they are treated as freight trains), not to even mention that that would include some "regional" lines such as the Gyeonggang, Bundang, Sinbundang, etc. You may turn to ownership, if a section of track is owned by Seoul, it counts. But this would cut off parts of lines 5 and 7 as well, such as the aforementioned Hanam line. Fare systems don't work either because these all share the same fare system and can be traveled by a single transit card.
Furthermore, I would like to ask a question. "What says that line 8 is Seoul Metro, but Korail-operated sections of line 1 are not?" Both line 8 and Korail-operated sections of line 1 extend outside of Seoul, they are both operated by Seoul-metro-owned rolling stock, and they are both called "Seoul Metro line #," including Korail-operated sections of line 1. It's not like Japan, where sections operated by other companies are called different names. They are treated as a single line, and the signages, network maps, and names all point toward these being single lines. In fact, line 8 goes further out of Seoul than Korail-operated Yongsan -> Guro service, which stays entirely within Seoul.
Finally, if these were to really be separate systems, then what are the Yongin LRT, Uijeongbu LRT, and Gimpo LRT? You could argue that they are separate systems, all operated by their city. However, Gimpo LRT offers direct connections to Seoul Metro lines 5 and 9, as well as the Airport Railroad. Now, then, is Gimpo LRT a part of Seoul Metro or not? If Gimpo LRT is a part of Seoul Metro, shouldn't Incheon Metro also be a part of Seoul Metro? After all, the two lines both offer direct connections to line 7 and the Airport Railroad, and they share the same fare system; what is to say that they aren't a part of Seoul Metro?'
Before I conclude, I have noticed the "Korail-operated metro lines" figure on the list only includes parts of lines 3 and 4 and the Suin Bundang Line. To be frank, this is quite idiotic and ignorant. These lines use basically identical rolling stock, signals, etc. with Gyeongui-Jungang, and line 1 has exclusive metro-only sections running from Guro to Incheon and Cheongryangri to Soyosan. If you were to say these aren't "Korail-operated metro" because they have other services, what happened to the Gyeonggang line? what happened to the sections of line 1 used for metro exclusively? What happened to the Gyeongui line (Although the Jungang line is shared with other trains, the Gyeongui line is used for metro trains)?
Thus, it is increasingly more ridiculous to split these highly interconnected networks apart. For this reason, I would like to suggest one of the following: A) Include all three: Korail-operated sections, Seoul-operated sections, Incheon Metro, Uijeongbu LRT, Yongin LRT, and Gimpo LRT in the length figure and delete the Incheon Metro entry. B) Include at least Korail-operated sections and Gimpo LRT into Seoul-operated sections. It may be possible to add a disclaimer stating that this figure includes "regional" trains. Then, add separate entries for Yongin and Uijeongbu. C) If the editor base of Wikipedia were to insist on these being separate systems, add separate entries for Yongin LRT, Uijeongbu LRT, and Gimpo LRT.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Laggingcomputer ( talk • contribs) 08:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Regarding the flag of China that is used for Hongkong Metro, I wanted the link for consensus discussion that took place on the talk page archive. Footy2000 ( talk) 10:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Surely the Gautrain metro system in Johannesburg + Pretoria, South Africa should be included here on this list? 82.24.88.69 ( talk) 21:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Somewhat a Russian Wikipedia friend pointed me by a way, that the "Chelyabinsk Metro" project has changed to be a "rapid tram" (no idea whether I translated скоростной трамвай correctly) per some rg.ru reports: [1], [2]. Liuxinyu970226 ( talk) 13:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The Tyne and Wear Metro is included on the map of the locations of all the world's metro systems, but not in the list itself (it's the dot in north-east England). It's possible that the UITP considers the Tyne and Wear metro to be a light rail or rapid transit system instead of a metro, but if that's the case then it should be removed from the map. If it can be classified as a metro then it should be added to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.218.15 ( talk) 15:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
In both panoramas of the currently operating system, and the recent-to-mid term plan, there are having no lines to be constructed as a standard metro system, only having monorail lines and probably somewhat tram-train like light rail lines, so I wonder if Wuhu should still keep here or not.
By the way, I'd love to see whether the statistics of Chongqing Rail Transit should try to exclude their Line 3 and Line 4 due to same problem. Also the removal of both Guilin and Liuzhou Rail Transits from "under construction" section should be considered. Liuxinyu970226 ( talk) 01:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello User:Ymblanter, What is the problem with Tünel? As it is a completely underground city railline, it is counted as the second oldest metro line in history. Is there a specification for metro systems like it can not be funicular? Or about length etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alasiyan ( talk • contribs) 08:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Jklamo I checked, and someone answered as "Already included in the List of funicular railways." So if there is a multi-attribute company that produces both automobiles and airplanes, when we try to add it to "airplane producers" list, the answer is "it is already in the automobile producers list". Got it. Alasiyan ( talk) 10:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Should it be added on the list? I guess it should. -- Fly2Blue ( talk) 10:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
The city of Porto in portugal has had a metro system since 2002 2.83.221.51 ( talk) 05:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Now I'm well aware that this list is for Metro systems and not "Light Rail", as defined in the header of the article, however despite being called "Light Rail", the system is basically a metro system in all but name. It is fully grade separated, has GoA2, the entire system is free of any pedestrian crossings either at stations or between stations, the only difference between it and a normal metro system is that the trains themselves are low floor trams rather than traditional High Floor heavy rail metros. For the record, I'm only talking about the current Line 1 and future Line 3, not the diesel Line 2 and future Line 4. 2607:FEA8:3A9D:8A00:0:0:0:3E40 ( talk) 15:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
The metro system of the city of Valencia, Spain seems to be missing from the list. Only the Madrid, Bilbao and Barcelona metros are present and the list says Spain only has 3 metro systems, despite the fact even the Rapid transit in Spain article, which is linked in the list itself, mentioning Spain has four metro systems. 83.49.218.238 ( talk) 02:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Spain is a country that through the modern era has built many metro systems, which most of them aren’t on the list, some of them being metrovalencia, the metro of Seville, Granada… and I would like to know the reason that justifies adding metros that nobody knows about in Central Asia rather than the mentioned examples. ALZH08 ( talk) 01:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
What is the concensus on medium capacity rapid transition systems? Some systems like REM in Montreal are intentionally not listed, but systems that are functionally the same, like the Honolulu Rail Transit and the Vancouver Skytrain are still listed. In fact, tge REM uses the sane vehicles as those used on the Amsterdam Metro. Rckania ( talk) 15:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Italian wikipedia says that the Italian metro is 231.7 km long while here in the list by country it says 222 km. Aldromi98euro ( talk) 15:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
The metro, Metrovalencia, in Spain is missing. 137.22.161.190 ( talk) 21:19, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
The renaming would make it more consistent with Rapid transit and History of rapid transit as well as “Rapid transit in …” country articles.
Any thoughts? Bluealbion ( talk) 16:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Vilnius is in the list as under construction but I don't see any sources the page for the metro itself talks about it as a proposal. what's going on here? 80.179.255.58 ( talk) 14:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Should seville metro be on here? Its fully grade separated, and though it's considered light metro so are a lot of systems in this list like Rennes and Vancouver 2A00:A040:19F:243:90D4:E0E2:E713:9C4A ( talk) 10:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that the dates on this article are not consistent from place to place. Is it possible to make the dates more consistent, so that most to all metro lengths in this article, would be measured in 2021 or 2018 per se, rather than the year measured constantly changing depending on the metro? Because I'm not sure how and I do think that it makes the article more inconsistent overall. PoliticallyPassionateGamer ( talk) 04:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Why was my edit reverted? Why does this list include many hybrid systems but not Valencia? It meets all the criterias set by UITP, is listed by UITP and Metrobits as a metro system, we have called it a metro system in many pages of this wiki. Not all the line is a metro obviously, but good portions of L1, 3, 5 are. If we exclude it for sharing some km of rail with regional trains or the fact that it uses trams on some lines then there are other Metros on this list that should be excluded as well. Sacesss ( talk) 12:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is it true anymore that new york has the highest number of stations? The article on Seoul says the line has over 700, though I don't speak Korean so i can't really verify the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.132.159.213 ( talk) 18:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Tyne and Wear Metro not on list? 2.102.0.1 ( talk) 06:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The number of stations on the Moscow Metro is listed in the table as 289.
However, in the tooltip note, this message is shown: "The number of stations is 202 if interchange stations (i.e. different sets of platforms) are counted as one station, or 258 if all stations on all lines are counted multiple times for each line."
On the article List of Moscow Metro stations, this text is shown: "There are 257 active stations of the Moscow Metro. Of these, 216 on Moscow Metro proper, and some additional ones that are marketed by Moscow Metro: 6 stations of Moscow Monorail and 31 stations of the Moscow Central Circle. Two stations have been closed."
Then later, the same article states: "Of the Moscow Metro's 236 stations,".
Finally the table in that article has 295 entries, however that is counting "multi-line stations" multiple times.
Would someone with more knowledge on the topic be able to clear up which number should appear on this table? Bradpatwalden ( talk) 10:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
I think we should add a link to Metro (a disambiguation page) in the see also section, as it lists ‘metros’ other than rapid transit systems, like Adelaide Metro, which is a brand name for a public transport network/operator. It also defines the word metro in other contexts as well. Fork99 ( talk) 19:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Is the new MTL REM considerable as a metro ? Bouzinac ( talk) 16:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
New York City in 1890 had an extensive system of elevated trains in Manhattan. If the Chicago el gets to be counted as opening in 1893, the New York Subway should count as opening first, especially since stretches from that era still exist now. 2600:1008:B039:ACDB:4CC5:C3F2:1967:1902 ( talk) 22:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
The Melbourne Metro Tunnel is set to open in 2025. This will combine Melbourne's Sunbury Line with the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines to through-run via the city. All level crossings will be removed by the opening date, and high capacity signalling is being installed. Trains will run in automatic mode through the tunnel section with platform screen doors at all stations. Would this count as a metro system? Does only the tunnel section count? I'd love to hear your thoughts Qazzy52 ( talk) 22:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
The Metro Tunnel does not form a new separate metro system. The Metro Tunnel will just be a new central connection between some of the lines of the Metro Trains Melbourne suburban railway network. Some parts of the line will have metro standards. But as far as I understand, the lines serving the new tunnel will still share tracks with the V-Line services on the outer parts. And the daytime interval between trains on the outer parts are 20-40 minutes today. This is just like the Paris RER, London Elisabeth Line, or the German S-Bahn systems: a high quality suburban railway network. But it is not a metro system. And it should be removed from the list. Kildor ( talk) 20:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Normally, I'm the person who would typically agree that a tunnel is not a metro system, but as Gracchus250 has stated time altogether, the entire corridor, not just the tunnel, is what is being converted into rapid transit. It'll be semi-automated, be entirely grade-separated, have improved signalling, or literally anything that a metro features. That's what makes the Sunbury–Dandenong Line rapid transit – not the Metro Tunnel by itself. -- SHB2000 ( talk) 01:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
In that case, it sounds similar to Chicago's "L", except that this shares tracks instead of having level crossings. -- SHB2000 ( talk) 12:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Just an update, the O-Train is now no longer just a light rail, which opened in 2001. With the construction of the Confederation Line in 2019 and the upcoming 2023 expansions, it is now fully grade separated and thus considered a metro. Hwfr ( talk) 22:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
List of countries having metro system should be done in alphabetical order or the the number of cities having it? (previously it has been there for many years but was converted to it by a user in the next edit) My preference is to the second because people here come to see which country has how many systems, not the alphabets. Would love to hear others opinions. Ku423winz1 ( talk) 13:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
What's the difference between Jinyidong line and Jinhua Rail Transit ? Bouzinac ( talk) 07:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
How come the Bengbu Metro is placed there but not shown in under construction? Also how come the Jeddah metro isn't under construction? Metrosfan ( talk) 09:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Move Navi Mumbai Metro to operational as it's now operational Metrosfan ( talk) 10:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
While I don't agree with it, I understand the reasoning for including the Melbourne Metro Tunnel in the under construction section for now. However I believe that the Suburban Rail Loop should also be included, as it is a completely seperate system with it's own unique branding and rolling stock, and is definitely a metro. This would be consistent with the main list where Tokyo has three seperate Metro Systems included. Jasgray04 ( talk) 03:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Athens metro has been tagged as the second oldest metro system now in the main table, stating that the system first opened in 1869. This seems to be against the consensus on the issue for many years but I am happy to be corrected. It also appears that in the countries table they are still tagged as first operating in 1904, so not both of these can be correct.
It does appear that there was some railway line opened in 1869 but I am unsure as to whether it meets the criteria for a metro system. If anyone can say definitively the nature of the system first operated in 1869 this should provide some clarity, otherwise it might be worth changing the date back to 1904. Trainsandotherinterests ( talk) 10:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
i personally think the Macau Light Rail Transit should be on the list because it operate like a metro system, so it counts, it's bigger than the Rennes or Brescia Metros or the Taichung MRT, so it technically counts Metrosfan ( talk) 12:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm just curious if we have valid sources to include Lagos MRT as a metro system. From the few informations available online, it seems the trains are hauled by diesel locomotives and the frequency is quite low. If we don't have any sources to testify the fact that it's actually mass transit, I vote to remove it from the list. 89.64.66.81 ( talk) 10:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
The name of the city is George Town, not Penang Island City Metrosfan ( talk) 02:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
The Oslo Metro should not be on here as, despite being a metro, it does not have the characteristics of a metro system and instead falls into the category of S-Bahn or Commuter Rail systems. The network is heavily branched, with low frenquencies as well as having level crossings. If the Copenhagen S-train, which has no level crossings and higher frequencies, is not allowed on here, then the Oslo Metro should be removed. Qazzy52 ( talk) 07:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a metro under construction in the Giza area in Egypt. I hope you add it to the metro stations under construction around the world in your article. Thank you. Amr aero ( talk) 19:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
According to the list of light metro systems page. It showed Jakarta LRT and Jabodebek LRT there, it looked like it is a light metro systems since it's slightly heavier than the metro systems in Lille or Lausanne, if the smaller ones are listed here, then these two should be included along with the Palembang LRT Metrosfan ( talk) 13:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
its a monorail/suspension railway and isn't used to replace a metro Metrosfan ( talk) 00:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
at the end of the various contruction projects being categorized as Under Construction metros in Australia and New Zealand, will the systems be considered "metros"? what is the difference between these tunnels and tunnels for the RER or Crossrail or Madrid Cercanias, all of which are categorized as suburban/commuter rail? 67.189.54.143 ( talk) 21:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Should we put Myanmar, New Zealand, Iraq, Mongolia, and Kuwait highlighted in yellow on the legend map? Those countries are due to have their own systems in the future 84.49.127.81 ( talk) 17:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I cannot find any sources claiming how the Circular Line in Taipei and New Taipei is operated by Taipei MRT instead of New Taipei MRT, the Wikipedia pages of the New Taipei MRT includes Circular Line, the Circular Line wikipedia dosent show it is operated by Taipei MRT, so if there are no sources that it is Operated by Taipei MRT, I will move the New Taipei MRT to operational list Metrosfan ( talk) 09:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Since the Elizabeth line and Tyne and Wear Metro are added to the list, should Metrovalencia (Only lines 1-3, 5, 7 and 9; as the rest are light rail) and Palma Metro be added to the list? Valencia is like the Elizabeth line in that some lines (1, 2, 3, and 9 specifically) extend far into the suburbs and into other towns. For compariason, line 1 by itself is over 72 km long, but is shorter than other metro lines such as Chongqing line 6, which is 85km long. Palma is like the Tyne and Wear Metro in that it shares lines with national rail lines, uses shorter trains, and has a level crossing (on Line 2, between Pont d'Inca Nou and Polígon Marratxí). Nonusme ( talk) 03:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
to shorten the article, I'd propose that the planned systems section be separated into a list or category of its own 67.189.54.143 ( talk) 23:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
wgst is the reason for the Elizabeth line being listed undisputed all of the sudden? It uses heavy rolling stock, runs on mainline tracks for the majority of it's route, managed by network rail, and has a much longer distance than a metro line? Rckania ( talk) 17:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
The two new lines that opened in 2023 are actually monorail trains not metro trains, and we're somehow included in the datas,and monorails are not allowed here, since KL Monorail is not counted for Kuala Lumpur, I suggest Bangkok MRT data to contain only the Blue and Purple Lines Metrosfan ( talk) 12:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Besides the metro system of portugal's capital city Lisbon which is represented in the list, the mtro system from Porto city (2nd biggest Portugal city) is missing 85.139.24.110 ( talk) 11:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
It has been stated that the London Underground is run under different regulations from British Mainline services. There are some differences such as Mainline trains having 3 or 4 aspect signals and the Underground having 2 aspect signals. Mainline trains normally have an audible warning system when a signal is on. Underground trains have trip cock that applies brakes if a signal is passed at danger. In recent decades both systems have used continuous signalling where the correct speed is transmitted to the train. But these are superficial. Both systems still use an absolute block. Both systems can allow the block to be broken for emergency working.
Similarly, in Britain, light rail is effectively the same as heavy rail. The only difference is in the robustness of the trains. Light rail may have speed restrictions since the vehicles are not strong enough to withstand a collision at speed. Similarly there are restrictions and safeguards relating to running Light trains on Heavy tracks and vice versa. But there are still the same regulations requiring the track to be securely fenced off and the railway is responsible for ensuring that there are no trespassers. (Note: systems that are called light rail in other countries are called tramways in Britain.)
Aside from differences in style, what are the real differences between British metro systems and British mainline systems? OrewaTel ( talk) 04:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Does the Seibu Yamaguchi Line, Yamaman Yūkarigaoka Line, and Saitama New Shuttle qualify as a metro systems, the rolling stocks seems to have true metro origin and they seem to meet all criterias Metrosfan ( talk) 23:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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The Naples rail transport system is rather complicated, and seems to have evolved in recent years in ways that are not yet reflected in Wikipedia articles (new operator for some commuter lines, new line numbers). While trying to make sense of it, I've taken interest in the Naples–Aversa railway, a fully subterranean line in the Northern suburbs, opened in stages between 2005 and 2009. It is categorized as a metro line (Line 11, "linea Arcobaleno", that is "Rainbow line") in the official system map published by the Naples Mobility Agency [1]. Clearly, line 2, that they also present as a metro line, is just a higher-frequency commuter line, but line 11 is fully separated from the regular railway network and seems to have rather high service frequency (10 to 15 minutes according to its article, I haven't checked sources directly). I haven't found previous discussion regarding this line in the archives. Would it make sense to include it in the totals for the Naples network on this page? GDarley ( talk) 11:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
When I realised these metros weren't in the list, I went to add them, but then found in the code a request to not add these transport systems since they have "deficiencies". Why shouldn't, for example, MetroValencia, fit in this list? Seems like a full metro system like any other to me. Maybe some clarification on this? These metro systems are included in the Spanish wikipedia, for example.
As per MOS:FLAG, the flags in the table need to go as they are unnecessarily distracting and provide no encyclopaedic use. Canterbury Tail talk 17:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Hangzhou–Haining intercity railway basic like Hangzhou Metro. And it can be directly exchanged with Hangzhou Metro-- Qa003qa003 ( talk) 14:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Should metro systems that are about to start construction be added? Or do they have to be actively under counstruction? 192.231.40.122 ( talk) 18:39, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
What's the rationale behind Perugia MiniMetro not being on the list? Okay, very small cars but specific tracks, no pedestrian crossings, within a city, high frequency...-- Bouzinac ( talk) 21:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
So the Tyne and Wear Metro was removed, after a great deal of controversy, because it contains grade crossings. However, the Chicago L, Oslo Metro, and Rotterdam Metro also contain grade crossings. Should these systems be removed as well?
It should be noted that each of these entries contain a note explaining that there are grade crossings. -- Rckania ( talk) 18:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I know that this had been a recurring topic on this talk, but I've noticed a lot of them don't come to a real conclusion, nor consider many facts which I consider to be reasons why Seoul Metro figures should include at least the Korail-operated lines, and perhaps even Incheon Metro. I noticed many arguments saying that regional rail should not be included as they are not included for other cities. However, these systems that many like to call "regional rail" have more to do in common with metro lines than rail lines.
Before I say anything further, I would like to say that I find it quite ironic that the list would exclude sections not operated by Seoul in length figures, yet cite the Hanam line for the last expansion of 2021. I feel this ironic because the Hanam line, despite being operated by Seoul Metro, is NOT owned by Seoul. Instead, it is owned by the Gyeonggi province.
With that out of the way, I would like to establish that some parts that are operated by other operators are integral to Seoul-operated sections. The best example is line 1. Line 1 is less than 10 km long, and there is not a single operating pattern, not even at nighttime, that operates Seoul-operated sections only. In other parts, of the network, the opposite is true. Take the Ilsan line, for instance, the line only stretches from Jichuk to Daehwa and doesn't even have its own depot, relying entirely on Seoul-operated sections. For this reason, I would say that tearing apart lines based on operators is nonsensical.
If splitting sections based on the operator is to be rejected, then what would you cite as the dividing line between "regional trains" and metro lines? Rolling stocks are a no-go because the rolling stocks for lines 1 through 4 have more to do in common for rolling stocks these so-called "regional" lines than lines 5 through 9. Platform height is another no-go because the "regional" services have higher platform height specifically for compatibility with metro lines. Judging based on whether or not other rail services exist may sound good, until you realize that vast sections of line 1 are shared by other rail services, including the KTX (this includes the underground Seoul-operated sections, as they are used by Korail locomotives to deliver new rolling stock to line 2, and they are treated as freight trains), not to even mention that that would include some "regional" lines such as the Gyeonggang, Bundang, Sinbundang, etc. You may turn to ownership, if a section of track is owned by Seoul, it counts. But this would cut off parts of lines 5 and 7 as well, such as the aforementioned Hanam line. Fare systems don't work either because these all share the same fare system and can be traveled by a single transit card.
Furthermore, I would like to ask a question. "What says that line 8 is Seoul Metro, but Korail-operated sections of line 1 are not?" Both line 8 and Korail-operated sections of line 1 extend outside of Seoul, they are both operated by Seoul-metro-owned rolling stock, and they are both called "Seoul Metro line #," including Korail-operated sections of line 1. It's not like Japan, where sections operated by other companies are called different names. They are treated as a single line, and the signages, network maps, and names all point toward these being single lines. In fact, line 8 goes further out of Seoul than Korail-operated Yongsan -> Guro service, which stays entirely within Seoul.
Finally, if these were to really be separate systems, then what are the Yongin LRT, Uijeongbu LRT, and Gimpo LRT? You could argue that they are separate systems, all operated by their city. However, Gimpo LRT offers direct connections to Seoul Metro lines 5 and 9, as well as the Airport Railroad. Now, then, is Gimpo LRT a part of Seoul Metro or not? If Gimpo LRT is a part of Seoul Metro, shouldn't Incheon Metro also be a part of Seoul Metro? After all, the two lines both offer direct connections to line 7 and the Airport Railroad, and they share the same fare system; what is to say that they aren't a part of Seoul Metro?'
Before I conclude, I have noticed the "Korail-operated metro lines" figure on the list only includes parts of lines 3 and 4 and the Suin Bundang Line. To be frank, this is quite idiotic and ignorant. These lines use basically identical rolling stock, signals, etc. with Gyeongui-Jungang, and line 1 has exclusive metro-only sections running from Guro to Incheon and Cheongryangri to Soyosan. If you were to say these aren't "Korail-operated metro" because they have other services, what happened to the Gyeonggang line? what happened to the sections of line 1 used for metro exclusively? What happened to the Gyeongui line (Although the Jungang line is shared with other trains, the Gyeongui line is used for metro trains)?
Thus, it is increasingly more ridiculous to split these highly interconnected networks apart. For this reason, I would like to suggest one of the following: A) Include all three: Korail-operated sections, Seoul-operated sections, Incheon Metro, Uijeongbu LRT, Yongin LRT, and Gimpo LRT in the length figure and delete the Incheon Metro entry. B) Include at least Korail-operated sections and Gimpo LRT into Seoul-operated sections. It may be possible to add a disclaimer stating that this figure includes "regional" trains. Then, add separate entries for Yongin and Uijeongbu. C) If the editor base of Wikipedia were to insist on these being separate systems, add separate entries for Yongin LRT, Uijeongbu LRT, and Gimpo LRT.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Laggingcomputer ( talk • contribs) 08:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Regarding the flag of China that is used for Hongkong Metro, I wanted the link for consensus discussion that took place on the talk page archive. Footy2000 ( talk) 10:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Surely the Gautrain metro system in Johannesburg + Pretoria, South Africa should be included here on this list? 82.24.88.69 ( talk) 21:31, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Somewhat a Russian Wikipedia friend pointed me by a way, that the "Chelyabinsk Metro" project has changed to be a "rapid tram" (no idea whether I translated скоростной трамвай correctly) per some rg.ru reports: [1], [2]. Liuxinyu970226 ( talk) 13:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The Tyne and Wear Metro is included on the map of the locations of all the world's metro systems, but not in the list itself (it's the dot in north-east England). It's possible that the UITP considers the Tyne and Wear metro to be a light rail or rapid transit system instead of a metro, but if that's the case then it should be removed from the map. If it can be classified as a metro then it should be added to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.218.15 ( talk) 15:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
In both panoramas of the currently operating system, and the recent-to-mid term plan, there are having no lines to be constructed as a standard metro system, only having monorail lines and probably somewhat tram-train like light rail lines, so I wonder if Wuhu should still keep here or not.
By the way, I'd love to see whether the statistics of Chongqing Rail Transit should try to exclude their Line 3 and Line 4 due to same problem. Also the removal of both Guilin and Liuzhou Rail Transits from "under construction" section should be considered. Liuxinyu970226 ( talk) 01:10, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello User:Ymblanter, What is the problem with Tünel? As it is a completely underground city railline, it is counted as the second oldest metro line in history. Is there a specification for metro systems like it can not be funicular? Or about length etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alasiyan ( talk • contribs) 08:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Jklamo I checked, and someone answered as "Already included in the List of funicular railways." So if there is a multi-attribute company that produces both automobiles and airplanes, when we try to add it to "airplane producers" list, the answer is "it is already in the automobile producers list". Got it. Alasiyan ( talk) 10:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Should it be added on the list? I guess it should. -- Fly2Blue ( talk) 10:42, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
The city of Porto in portugal has had a metro system since 2002 2.83.221.51 ( talk) 05:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Now I'm well aware that this list is for Metro systems and not "Light Rail", as defined in the header of the article, however despite being called "Light Rail", the system is basically a metro system in all but name. It is fully grade separated, has GoA2, the entire system is free of any pedestrian crossings either at stations or between stations, the only difference between it and a normal metro system is that the trains themselves are low floor trams rather than traditional High Floor heavy rail metros. For the record, I'm only talking about the current Line 1 and future Line 3, not the diesel Line 2 and future Line 4. 2607:FEA8:3A9D:8A00:0:0:0:3E40 ( talk) 15:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
The metro system of the city of Valencia, Spain seems to be missing from the list. Only the Madrid, Bilbao and Barcelona metros are present and the list says Spain only has 3 metro systems, despite the fact even the Rapid transit in Spain article, which is linked in the list itself, mentioning Spain has four metro systems. 83.49.218.238 ( talk) 02:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Spain is a country that through the modern era has built many metro systems, which most of them aren’t on the list, some of them being metrovalencia, the metro of Seville, Granada… and I would like to know the reason that justifies adding metros that nobody knows about in Central Asia rather than the mentioned examples. ALZH08 ( talk) 01:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
What is the concensus on medium capacity rapid transition systems? Some systems like REM in Montreal are intentionally not listed, but systems that are functionally the same, like the Honolulu Rail Transit and the Vancouver Skytrain are still listed. In fact, tge REM uses the sane vehicles as those used on the Amsterdam Metro. Rckania ( talk) 15:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Italian wikipedia says that the Italian metro is 231.7 km long while here in the list by country it says 222 km. Aldromi98euro ( talk) 15:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
The metro, Metrovalencia, in Spain is missing. 137.22.161.190 ( talk) 21:19, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
The renaming would make it more consistent with Rapid transit and History of rapid transit as well as “Rapid transit in …” country articles.
Any thoughts? Bluealbion ( talk) 16:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Vilnius is in the list as under construction but I don't see any sources the page for the metro itself talks about it as a proposal. what's going on here? 80.179.255.58 ( talk) 14:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Should seville metro be on here? Its fully grade separated, and though it's considered light metro so are a lot of systems in this list like Rennes and Vancouver 2A00:A040:19F:243:90D4:E0E2:E713:9C4A ( talk) 10:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that the dates on this article are not consistent from place to place. Is it possible to make the dates more consistent, so that most to all metro lengths in this article, would be measured in 2021 or 2018 per se, rather than the year measured constantly changing depending on the metro? Because I'm not sure how and I do think that it makes the article more inconsistent overall. PoliticallyPassionateGamer ( talk) 04:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Why was my edit reverted? Why does this list include many hybrid systems but not Valencia? It meets all the criterias set by UITP, is listed by UITP and Metrobits as a metro system, we have called it a metro system in many pages of this wiki. Not all the line is a metro obviously, but good portions of L1, 3, 5 are. If we exclude it for sharing some km of rail with regional trains or the fact that it uses trams on some lines then there are other Metros on this list that should be excluded as well. Sacesss ( talk) 12:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is it true anymore that new york has the highest number of stations? The article on Seoul says the line has over 700, though I don't speak Korean so i can't really verify the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.132.159.213 ( talk) 18:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Tyne and Wear Metro not on list? 2.102.0.1 ( talk) 06:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
The number of stations on the Moscow Metro is listed in the table as 289.
However, in the tooltip note, this message is shown: "The number of stations is 202 if interchange stations (i.e. different sets of platforms) are counted as one station, or 258 if all stations on all lines are counted multiple times for each line."
On the article List of Moscow Metro stations, this text is shown: "There are 257 active stations of the Moscow Metro. Of these, 216 on Moscow Metro proper, and some additional ones that are marketed by Moscow Metro: 6 stations of Moscow Monorail and 31 stations of the Moscow Central Circle. Two stations have been closed."
Then later, the same article states: "Of the Moscow Metro's 236 stations,".
Finally the table in that article has 295 entries, however that is counting "multi-line stations" multiple times.
Would someone with more knowledge on the topic be able to clear up which number should appear on this table? Bradpatwalden ( talk) 10:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
I think we should add a link to Metro (a disambiguation page) in the see also section, as it lists ‘metros’ other than rapid transit systems, like Adelaide Metro, which is a brand name for a public transport network/operator. It also defines the word metro in other contexts as well. Fork99 ( talk) 19:23, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Is the new MTL REM considerable as a metro ? Bouzinac ( talk) 16:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
New York City in 1890 had an extensive system of elevated trains in Manhattan. If the Chicago el gets to be counted as opening in 1893, the New York Subway should count as opening first, especially since stretches from that era still exist now. 2600:1008:B039:ACDB:4CC5:C3F2:1967:1902 ( talk) 22:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
The Melbourne Metro Tunnel is set to open in 2025. This will combine Melbourne's Sunbury Line with the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines to through-run via the city. All level crossings will be removed by the opening date, and high capacity signalling is being installed. Trains will run in automatic mode through the tunnel section with platform screen doors at all stations. Would this count as a metro system? Does only the tunnel section count? I'd love to hear your thoughts Qazzy52 ( talk) 22:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
The Metro Tunnel does not form a new separate metro system. The Metro Tunnel will just be a new central connection between some of the lines of the Metro Trains Melbourne suburban railway network. Some parts of the line will have metro standards. But as far as I understand, the lines serving the new tunnel will still share tracks with the V-Line services on the outer parts. And the daytime interval between trains on the outer parts are 20-40 minutes today. This is just like the Paris RER, London Elisabeth Line, or the German S-Bahn systems: a high quality suburban railway network. But it is not a metro system. And it should be removed from the list. Kildor ( talk) 20:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Normally, I'm the person who would typically agree that a tunnel is not a metro system, but as Gracchus250 has stated time altogether, the entire corridor, not just the tunnel, is what is being converted into rapid transit. It'll be semi-automated, be entirely grade-separated, have improved signalling, or literally anything that a metro features. That's what makes the Sunbury–Dandenong Line rapid transit – not the Metro Tunnel by itself. -- SHB2000 ( talk) 01:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
In that case, it sounds similar to Chicago's "L", except that this shares tracks instead of having level crossings. -- SHB2000 ( talk) 12:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Just an update, the O-Train is now no longer just a light rail, which opened in 2001. With the construction of the Confederation Line in 2019 and the upcoming 2023 expansions, it is now fully grade separated and thus considered a metro. Hwfr ( talk) 22:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
List of countries having metro system should be done in alphabetical order or the the number of cities having it? (previously it has been there for many years but was converted to it by a user in the next edit) My preference is to the second because people here come to see which country has how many systems, not the alphabets. Would love to hear others opinions. Ku423winz1 ( talk) 13:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
What's the difference between Jinyidong line and Jinhua Rail Transit ? Bouzinac ( talk) 07:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
How come the Bengbu Metro is placed there but not shown in under construction? Also how come the Jeddah metro isn't under construction? Metrosfan ( talk) 09:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Move Navi Mumbai Metro to operational as it's now operational Metrosfan ( talk) 10:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
While I don't agree with it, I understand the reasoning for including the Melbourne Metro Tunnel in the under construction section for now. However I believe that the Suburban Rail Loop should also be included, as it is a completely seperate system with it's own unique branding and rolling stock, and is definitely a metro. This would be consistent with the main list where Tokyo has three seperate Metro Systems included. Jasgray04 ( talk) 03:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
I have noticed that the Athens metro has been tagged as the second oldest metro system now in the main table, stating that the system first opened in 1869. This seems to be against the consensus on the issue for many years but I am happy to be corrected. It also appears that in the countries table they are still tagged as first operating in 1904, so not both of these can be correct.
It does appear that there was some railway line opened in 1869 but I am unsure as to whether it meets the criteria for a metro system. If anyone can say definitively the nature of the system first operated in 1869 this should provide some clarity, otherwise it might be worth changing the date back to 1904. Trainsandotherinterests ( talk) 10:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
i personally think the Macau Light Rail Transit should be on the list because it operate like a metro system, so it counts, it's bigger than the Rennes or Brescia Metros or the Taichung MRT, so it technically counts Metrosfan ( talk) 12:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm just curious if we have valid sources to include Lagos MRT as a metro system. From the few informations available online, it seems the trains are hauled by diesel locomotives and the frequency is quite low. If we don't have any sources to testify the fact that it's actually mass transit, I vote to remove it from the list. 89.64.66.81 ( talk) 10:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
The name of the city is George Town, not Penang Island City Metrosfan ( talk) 02:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
The Oslo Metro should not be on here as, despite being a metro, it does not have the characteristics of a metro system and instead falls into the category of S-Bahn or Commuter Rail systems. The network is heavily branched, with low frenquencies as well as having level crossings. If the Copenhagen S-train, which has no level crossings and higher frequencies, is not allowed on here, then the Oslo Metro should be removed. Qazzy52 ( talk) 07:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
There is a metro under construction in the Giza area in Egypt. I hope you add it to the metro stations under construction around the world in your article. Thank you. Amr aero ( talk) 19:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
According to the list of light metro systems page. It showed Jakarta LRT and Jabodebek LRT there, it looked like it is a light metro systems since it's slightly heavier than the metro systems in Lille or Lausanne, if the smaller ones are listed here, then these two should be included along with the Palembang LRT Metrosfan ( talk) 13:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
its a monorail/suspension railway and isn't used to replace a metro Metrosfan ( talk) 00:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
at the end of the various contruction projects being categorized as Under Construction metros in Australia and New Zealand, will the systems be considered "metros"? what is the difference between these tunnels and tunnels for the RER or Crossrail or Madrid Cercanias, all of which are categorized as suburban/commuter rail? 67.189.54.143 ( talk) 21:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Should we put Myanmar, New Zealand, Iraq, Mongolia, and Kuwait highlighted in yellow on the legend map? Those countries are due to have their own systems in the future 84.49.127.81 ( talk) 17:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
I cannot find any sources claiming how the Circular Line in Taipei and New Taipei is operated by Taipei MRT instead of New Taipei MRT, the Wikipedia pages of the New Taipei MRT includes Circular Line, the Circular Line wikipedia dosent show it is operated by Taipei MRT, so if there are no sources that it is Operated by Taipei MRT, I will move the New Taipei MRT to operational list Metrosfan ( talk) 09:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Since the Elizabeth line and Tyne and Wear Metro are added to the list, should Metrovalencia (Only lines 1-3, 5, 7 and 9; as the rest are light rail) and Palma Metro be added to the list? Valencia is like the Elizabeth line in that some lines (1, 2, 3, and 9 specifically) extend far into the suburbs and into other towns. For compariason, line 1 by itself is over 72 km long, but is shorter than other metro lines such as Chongqing line 6, which is 85km long. Palma is like the Tyne and Wear Metro in that it shares lines with national rail lines, uses shorter trains, and has a level crossing (on Line 2, between Pont d'Inca Nou and Polígon Marratxí). Nonusme ( talk) 03:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
to shorten the article, I'd propose that the planned systems section be separated into a list or category of its own 67.189.54.143 ( talk) 23:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
wgst is the reason for the Elizabeth line being listed undisputed all of the sudden? It uses heavy rolling stock, runs on mainline tracks for the majority of it's route, managed by network rail, and has a much longer distance than a metro line? Rckania ( talk) 17:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
The two new lines that opened in 2023 are actually monorail trains not metro trains, and we're somehow included in the datas,and monorails are not allowed here, since KL Monorail is not counted for Kuala Lumpur, I suggest Bangkok MRT data to contain only the Blue and Purple Lines Metrosfan ( talk) 12:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Besides the metro system of portugal's capital city Lisbon which is represented in the list, the mtro system from Porto city (2nd biggest Portugal city) is missing 85.139.24.110 ( talk) 11:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
It has been stated that the London Underground is run under different regulations from British Mainline services. There are some differences such as Mainline trains having 3 or 4 aspect signals and the Underground having 2 aspect signals. Mainline trains normally have an audible warning system when a signal is on. Underground trains have trip cock that applies brakes if a signal is passed at danger. In recent decades both systems have used continuous signalling where the correct speed is transmitted to the train. But these are superficial. Both systems still use an absolute block. Both systems can allow the block to be broken for emergency working.
Similarly, in Britain, light rail is effectively the same as heavy rail. The only difference is in the robustness of the trains. Light rail may have speed restrictions since the vehicles are not strong enough to withstand a collision at speed. Similarly there are restrictions and safeguards relating to running Light trains on Heavy tracks and vice versa. But there are still the same regulations requiring the track to be securely fenced off and the railway is responsible for ensuring that there are no trespassers. (Note: systems that are called light rail in other countries are called tramways in Britain.)
Aside from differences in style, what are the real differences between British metro systems and British mainline systems? OrewaTel ( talk) 04:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Does the Seibu Yamaguchi Line, Yamaman Yūkarigaoka Line, and Saitama New Shuttle qualify as a metro systems, the rolling stocks seems to have true metro origin and they seem to meet all criterias Metrosfan ( talk) 23:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)