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We should be careful with red-links for old people's names because as time goes on someone with the same name might become notable, take the link, and screw up this page. I move that names should remained unlinked until there is a corresponding page for the person. The red-links i have not removed are sensitive to the particular person (of that name) who served as mayor and will be able to link to the proper page when the article is written. Nbruschi 03:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
In NYC, the outgoing mayor leaves office at precisely 11:59:59 PM on December 31st. Incoming mayors are sworn in at the stroke of midnight of the first day of January following their election. 24.168.42.182 09:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The official list of NYC mayors does not mention Hood, [1] so I did some Googling. As near as I can tell, a 19th century list had Hood instead of Noell, that list was widely copied, and some contemporary sources "corrected" that by including them both. However, the vast majority of definitive sources, such as the city's Green Book and New York City Mayors by Ralph J. Caliendo [2] include Noell and not Hood. I've therefore removed Hood from this list, and have redirected Hood's article to Thomas Noell until some other evidence comes along. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
[Moved from my user talk page:] —— Shakescene ( talk) 09:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
There's also a half-dozen or so mayors for whom the date of death is not listed, but I have to think that if they died in office it would have been noted somewhere and therefore we would know their dates of death. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Maybe this is getting to a point where we should move the discussion off my talk page and onto the List of Mayors' where any passing experts might see it. —— Shakescene ( talk) 08:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)John Cruger (1678 – August 13, 1744) was an immigrant to colonial New York with an uncertain place of birth, but his family was originally Danish. In New York from at least 1696, he became a prosperous merchant and established a successful family as well. He served as an alderman for twenty-two years and as Mayor of New York from 1739 until his death in 1744.
I have to think that these sentences wopuld have been reversed in order if Cruger had died in office. Also, I believe at the time that mayors were appointed on July 1.In 1744, Stephen Bayard is appointed mayor of six consecutive one-year terms. John Cruger died in New York City on Auhust 13, 1744.
Moving this discussion to the article talk page is probably a good idea. Maybe I'll just cut and paste part of it there now.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 08:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC) (Actually moved by Shakescene, except for this last comment, moved by me.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 09:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC))
I think you should remove the "died in office" marker from Cruger. The evidence is not definitive and, to me, not very persuasive, and Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The fact that the statement in the Wiki bio article isn't specifically referenced means that it's got to be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, there's something funcky with the formatting, there's lots of text running down the side of the table. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 09:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
1744. On ye 13th of August 1744, father John Cruger then Mayor of this City dyed and (.he next day his corps was deposited in the Old Dutch Church.
I'm not sure this adds all that much, especially since it's only presented for the currently livign mayors. I think it tip-toes into being WP:OR, although I wouldn't remove it for that. It just seems rather unnecessary. JMHO. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Several sources, including The Encyclopedia of New York City, say that P[i]eter Delanoy was the City's only elected mayor before 1834 (or 1821). But the most-readily available sources are sparse and confusing. Wikipedia has no article on Delanoy. His predecessor's term ended in 1688, and elections weren't held until August or September of 1689, so it's not clear if Delanoy had been an unelected mayor earlier in the year (of if the job was vacant or held by a caretaker, perhaps the previous mayor). The Encyclopedia's article on the City Charter says that Delanoy was overthrown during or after Leisler's Rebellion, although its article on the Rebellion mentions his election in August 1689 (before which the city government "remained in the hands of appointees of James II") but not his overthrow. The Wikipedia article on the Rebellion doesn't mention Delanoy. Ralph Caliendo's book on New York Mayors, relied on for the deaths in office of other New York mayors, give such a confused, duplicative and sometimes contradictory account of Leisler's Rebellion in relation to P. Delanoy and Abraham de Peyster that it looks like mindless copying from other sources and significantly lessens my confidence in Mr Caliendo's work. I've put in as clear a note about Delanoy's election as I feel safe in writing, but I'd very much appreciate some verification, any necessary revision and sound references. —— Shakescene ( talk) 07:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
What's unclear to me is whether the "elections" called for took place within the convention -- in which case, Delanoy was more or less appointed by the convention -- or if they were elections in the modern sense of being open to anyone with the franchise to vote. Nonetheless, the City Charter table of changes does refer to Delanoy as the city's "first elected mayor", and that seems definitive. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)The city government, however, remained in the hands of appointees of James II until September, when the provincial convention called for elections in which Peter Delanoy become the mayor.
“ | The city government, however, remained in the hands of appointees of James II until September, when the provincial convention called for elections in which Peter Delanoy became elected mayor.
[p. 22] On September 29, 1689, by order of the committee of safety, the people had come together in their wards, and for the first time they had elected their aldermen and councilmen, and also for the very first time, they had elected their mayor, and Peter Delanoy was their choice for mayor; Johannes Johnson as sheriff, and Abraham Gouverneur as clerk. On October 14, 1689, Peter Delanoy was proclaimed mayor by Jacob Leisler, and on the same day he took the oath of office, together with the Common Council, in the city hall at Coenties Slip, now in the possession of the Popular Party. [p. 44] |
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That's a clear descrirption that the election was a true general election, and the Delanoy was, indeed, directly elected. (I'll restore that language to the article momentarily). Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)Something like a "people's Revolucion" did indeed appear to be approaching New York between the autumn of 1689 and the spring of 1691. When the Committee of Safety called for a general election of local officers in September 1689, it decided (perhaps at [Jacob] Milbourne's urging) to broaden the range of elective positions: justices of the peace and militia captains were to be chosen directly by voters for the first time, tiggering a dramatic shift in the distribution of political power in the city. Bakers, bricklayers, carpentyers, innkeepers -- workingmen heretofore thought unfit for public responsibility -- captured a majoprity of seats on the board of alderman. Johannes Johnson, carpenter, became sheriff, and William Churcher, bricklayer, became marshal. Peter Delanoy, a Huguenot and one of Leisler's inner circle, was elected mayor of the city.
How many mayors of New York were born in this city ? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8422:1360:F500:835:88F7:B918:3F04 ( talk) 00:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I have undone the addition of Willem Beekman as acting mayor in 1674 for these reasons:
I'm open to discussion about whether the sources provided are sufficient to add Beekman to the list.
BMK ( talk) 23:43, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think this is a question you might want to bring to a city historian for an official ruling, since -- as of now -- the Green Book List is the official list of Mayors and Acting Mayors, as far as New York City is concerned. BMK ( talk) 07:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why the column only gives links to the elections where the mayors were *first* elected, rather than every election they won? They should be plenty of vertical space in each row to list every election, since there are large portraits anyway. Chuborno ( talk) 04:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Am I missing something some historical information that everybody else knows? A. Oakey Hall's listing says that he was a Republican. But according to these newspaper articles that I found when I was updating the New York County District Attorney page, and which were published in the New York Times at the times of his elections, he was a Whig in 1854 when he ran for district attorney, a Republican in 1861 when he ran for district attorney, and then a Democratic Tammany Hall candidate when he ran for D.A. in 1864 and 1867 and for Mayor in 1868 and 1870. So for Mayor, shouldn't he be listed Democratic? (The same way Bloomberg is listed by the party tickets he used when he ran, not his original affiliation.)
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]References are right under my signature. I listed one article that mentioned his party in each election campaign, but there are others. Subscription to the Times may be required to see the articles — my apologies.
References
Ira Leviton ( talk) 03:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Here's what I just added to Tiemann's article:
In December 1857, Democrat Fernando Wood, the mayor of New York, was removed from office by the New York State Legislature, and an election was held to replace him. Fed up with the corruption of Wood's administration, members of the Democratic Party's inner circle, powerful merchants such as August Belmont, John A. Dix, William Havemeyer, and John van Buren left the party and joined with reformers such as Peter Cooper, Republicans and Know-Nothings to create a fusion Independent Party. They nominated Tiemann as their candidate, while Wood ran on the Democratic ticket. Tiemann won the election with 51.4 percent of the vote, against Wood's 48.6 percent. He served for one term.
Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
I am unfamiliar with Pre-consolidation. Is this the same time period as Post-Revolutionary? ~1776-> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:EFC0:105:199A:4B54:94D:5B71 ( talk) 22:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Not clear why this info should be included in the table of post-consolidation mayors. Nareek ( talk) 13:44, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
As the mayors of this era were appointed by the Council of Appointment as opposed to being elected, and there were no term limits as we understand them today, do we define James Duane, Richard Varick, and Robert Livingston as one term mayors? Or do we assign them single year terms and their successors had and roll that into the total number of years served? i.e. Is Varick an 11 term, or a 1 term, mayor? 1I0I1I0I1I0 ( talk) 08:45, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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We should be careful with red-links for old people's names because as time goes on someone with the same name might become notable, take the link, and screw up this page. I move that names should remained unlinked until there is a corresponding page for the person. The red-links i have not removed are sensitive to the particular person (of that name) who served as mayor and will be able to link to the proper page when the article is written. Nbruschi 03:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
In NYC, the outgoing mayor leaves office at precisely 11:59:59 PM on December 31st. Incoming mayors are sworn in at the stroke of midnight of the first day of January following their election. 24.168.42.182 09:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
The official list of NYC mayors does not mention Hood, [1] so I did some Googling. As near as I can tell, a 19th century list had Hood instead of Noell, that list was widely copied, and some contemporary sources "corrected" that by including them both. However, the vast majority of definitive sources, such as the city's Green Book and New York City Mayors by Ralph J. Caliendo [2] include Noell and not Hood. I've therefore removed Hood from this list, and have redirected Hood's article to Thomas Noell until some other evidence comes along. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 03:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
[Moved from my user talk page:] —— Shakescene ( talk) 09:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
There's also a half-dozen or so mayors for whom the date of death is not listed, but I have to think that if they died in office it would have been noted somewhere and therefore we would know their dates of death. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 06:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Maybe this is getting to a point where we should move the discussion off my talk page and onto the List of Mayors' where any passing experts might see it. —— Shakescene ( talk) 08:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)John Cruger (1678 – August 13, 1744) was an immigrant to colonial New York with an uncertain place of birth, but his family was originally Danish. In New York from at least 1696, he became a prosperous merchant and established a successful family as well. He served as an alderman for twenty-two years and as Mayor of New York from 1739 until his death in 1744.
I have to think that these sentences wopuld have been reversed in order if Cruger had died in office. Also, I believe at the time that mayors were appointed on July 1.In 1744, Stephen Bayard is appointed mayor of six consecutive one-year terms. John Cruger died in New York City on Auhust 13, 1744.
Moving this discussion to the article talk page is probably a good idea. Maybe I'll just cut and paste part of it there now.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 08:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC) (Actually moved by Shakescene, except for this last comment, moved by me.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 09:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC))
I think you should remove the "died in office" marker from Cruger. The evidence is not definitive and, to me, not very persuasive, and Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The fact that the statement in the Wiki bio article isn't specifically referenced means that it's got to be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, there's something funcky with the formatting, there's lots of text running down the side of the table. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 09:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
1744. On ye 13th of August 1744, father John Cruger then Mayor of this City dyed and (.he next day his corps was deposited in the Old Dutch Church.
I'm not sure this adds all that much, especially since it's only presented for the currently livign mayors. I think it tip-toes into being WP:OR, although I wouldn't remove it for that. It just seems rather unnecessary. JMHO. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 04:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Several sources, including The Encyclopedia of New York City, say that P[i]eter Delanoy was the City's only elected mayor before 1834 (or 1821). But the most-readily available sources are sparse and confusing. Wikipedia has no article on Delanoy. His predecessor's term ended in 1688, and elections weren't held until August or September of 1689, so it's not clear if Delanoy had been an unelected mayor earlier in the year (of if the job was vacant or held by a caretaker, perhaps the previous mayor). The Encyclopedia's article on the City Charter says that Delanoy was overthrown during or after Leisler's Rebellion, although its article on the Rebellion mentions his election in August 1689 (before which the city government "remained in the hands of appointees of James II") but not his overthrow. The Wikipedia article on the Rebellion doesn't mention Delanoy. Ralph Caliendo's book on New York Mayors, relied on for the deaths in office of other New York mayors, give such a confused, duplicative and sometimes contradictory account of Leisler's Rebellion in relation to P. Delanoy and Abraham de Peyster that it looks like mindless copying from other sources and significantly lessens my confidence in Mr Caliendo's work. I've put in as clear a note about Delanoy's election as I feel safe in writing, but I'd very much appreciate some verification, any necessary revision and sound references. —— Shakescene ( talk) 07:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
What's unclear to me is whether the "elections" called for took place within the convention -- in which case, Delanoy was more or less appointed by the convention -- or if they were elections in the modern sense of being open to anyone with the franchise to vote. Nonetheless, the City Charter table of changes does refer to Delanoy as the city's "first elected mayor", and that seems definitive. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)The city government, however, remained in the hands of appointees of James II until September, when the provincial convention called for elections in which Peter Delanoy become the mayor.
“ | The city government, however, remained in the hands of appointees of James II until September, when the provincial convention called for elections in which Peter Delanoy became elected mayor.
[p. 22] On September 29, 1689, by order of the committee of safety, the people had come together in their wards, and for the first time they had elected their aldermen and councilmen, and also for the very first time, they had elected their mayor, and Peter Delanoy was their choice for mayor; Johannes Johnson as sheriff, and Abraham Gouverneur as clerk. On October 14, 1689, Peter Delanoy was proclaimed mayor by Jacob Leisler, and on the same day he took the oath of office, together with the Common Council, in the city hall at Coenties Slip, now in the possession of the Popular Party. [p. 44] |
” |
That's a clear descrirption that the election was a true general election, and the Delanoy was, indeed, directly elected. (I'll restore that language to the article momentarily). Beyond My Ken ( talk) 07:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)Something like a "people's Revolucion" did indeed appear to be approaching New York between the autumn of 1689 and the spring of 1691. When the Committee of Safety called for a general election of local officers in September 1689, it decided (perhaps at [Jacob] Milbourne's urging) to broaden the range of elective positions: justices of the peace and militia captains were to be chosen directly by voters for the first time, tiggering a dramatic shift in the distribution of political power in the city. Bakers, bricklayers, carpentyers, innkeepers -- workingmen heretofore thought unfit for public responsibility -- captured a majoprity of seats on the board of alderman. Johannes Johnson, carpenter, became sheriff, and William Churcher, bricklayer, became marshal. Peter Delanoy, a Huguenot and one of Leisler's inner circle, was elected mayor of the city.
How many mayors of New York were born in this city ? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8422:1360:F500:835:88F7:B918:3F04 ( talk) 00:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I have undone the addition of Willem Beekman as acting mayor in 1674 for these reasons:
I'm open to discussion about whether the sources provided are sufficient to add Beekman to the list.
BMK ( talk) 23:43, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think this is a question you might want to bring to a city historian for an official ruling, since -- as of now -- the Green Book List is the official list of Mayors and Acting Mayors, as far as New York City is concerned. BMK ( talk) 07:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why the column only gives links to the elections where the mayors were *first* elected, rather than every election they won? They should be plenty of vertical space in each row to list every election, since there are large portraits anyway. Chuborno ( talk) 04:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Am I missing something some historical information that everybody else knows? A. Oakey Hall's listing says that he was a Republican. But according to these newspaper articles that I found when I was updating the New York County District Attorney page, and which were published in the New York Times at the times of his elections, he was a Whig in 1854 when he ran for district attorney, a Republican in 1861 when he ran for district attorney, and then a Democratic Tammany Hall candidate when he ran for D.A. in 1864 and 1867 and for Mayor in 1868 and 1870. So for Mayor, shouldn't he be listed Democratic? (The same way Bloomberg is listed by the party tickets he used when he ran, not his original affiliation.)
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]References are right under my signature. I listed one article that mentioned his party in each election campaign, but there are others. Subscription to the Times may be required to see the articles — my apologies.
References
Ira Leviton ( talk) 03:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Here's what I just added to Tiemann's article:
In December 1857, Democrat Fernando Wood, the mayor of New York, was removed from office by the New York State Legislature, and an election was held to replace him. Fed up with the corruption of Wood's administration, members of the Democratic Party's inner circle, powerful merchants such as August Belmont, John A. Dix, William Havemeyer, and John van Buren left the party and joined with reformers such as Peter Cooper, Republicans and Know-Nothings to create a fusion Independent Party. They nominated Tiemann as their candidate, while Wood ran on the Democratic ticket. Tiemann won the election with 51.4 percent of the vote, against Wood's 48.6 percent. He served for one term.
Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
I am unfamiliar with Pre-consolidation. Is this the same time period as Post-Revolutionary? ~1776-> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:EFC0:105:199A:4B54:94D:5B71 ( talk) 22:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Not clear why this info should be included in the table of post-consolidation mayors. Nareek ( talk) 13:44, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
As the mayors of this era were appointed by the Council of Appointment as opposed to being elected, and there were no term limits as we understand them today, do we define James Duane, Richard Varick, and Robert Livingston as one term mayors? Or do we assign them single year terms and their successors had and roll that into the total number of years served? i.e. Is Varick an 11 term, or a 1 term, mayor? 1I0I1I0I1I0 ( talk) 08:45, 1 October 2019 (UTC)