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A potentially significant data source on this topic is a PhD written on this topic by Judith Monticone [1]. She interviewed Aboriginal elders from around the country and documented the stories. I came across a map of significant incidents on Twitter, and sought the source data. I found the book in the State Library of Victoria (March 2017). A list of locations of the book is found in the National Library Catalogue - Trove. Trove notes this book in 28 libraries around the country.
See Monticone's (p.9) image of what she calls "inter-racial massacres since invasion", where she sets a lower limit of 100 deaths. In Victoria, alone according to the map, she documents around 100 incidents and many more around the country. A brief scan of the book suggested each dot in the map is documented in a page with details of the incident. I passed this data source on to the researchers at Newcastle (Dec 2017). This activity is documented in a Twitter thread. Areff2000 ( talk) 23:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
More details including sample State maps, now included at Twitter thread above, and sample of cases. Total Cases, with one chapter per State/Terr noted: NSW - 217, Tas - 160, Qld - 413, Vic - 166, SA - 94, WA - 151, NT - 106, ACT - 7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Areff2000 ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there can be an improvement in layout and content. I'm not very knowledgeable about a lot of Australian history myself (although have educated myself by reading quite a lot over the years), but I'm just looking at this from a practical and readability point of view and seeking input from others. These are some of my ideas:
(This is very much in the background for me, but there's been a bit of overlap with some other articles I've been editing.) Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 02:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Having added a bit to the lead from the first of the Guardian articles in their special report (The Killing Times) the other day, am just noting a few others for possible future use. There are few memorials to Australia's bloody history but that's changing and Living on a massacre site: home truths and trauma at Warrigal Creek and 'Conspiracy of silence': how sabotaged inquiries fed massacre denials. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 04:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I've left some long quotes in the footnotes for now, because I didn't have time to complete all of the cleaning up needed, but The Journals of George Augustus Robinson would in this context, I think, count as WP:Primary and in any case don't need quoting at such length. @ Austhistory99:, perhaps you would like to do a bit more cleaning up here, as you added this material? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 07:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Concerning '50 or more killed in the Whiteside poisoning', Kiernan (Blood and Soil, p. 303) and his sources (e.g. Reece, Aborigines and Colonists, p. 49) are referring to the Kilcoy poisoning of 1842. There seems to be a conflation here with the Whiteside poisoning of 1847 related in the Australian (a Sydney newspaper published between 1824-1848), Tuesday 13 April 1847, p.3. No numbers are given for fatalities in that poisoning in the Australian. The source given at Colonial Frontier Massacres in Central and Eastern Australia 1788-1930 [1] (The Moreton Bay Courier, Saturday 24 April 1847, pp. 2-3) is a reply to (and refutation of) the Australian article and also does not give fatality numbers.
This should be removed immediately. It's a colonial rumour with nothing substantiating it other than the second hand musings of an unreliable witness - barely mentioned on one or two pages in a couple of books, and a family's papers from some ultra obscure library, surely more than this is needed to accuse the Kurnai peoples ancestors of a horrific crime. This colonial rumour lacks any quality sourcing, the only quality source used merely quotes the aforementioned unreliable witness. This claim is out of step with mainstream academia on the subject, it is based on a sensational colonial account, the language used in this primary source demonstrates a strong bias and profound racism, far better secondary sources are needed. The office of the Protector of Aborigines is certainly not a reliable source in this context. some of the claims are clearly fabrications: the Boro Boro Willum tribe, for example, never existed - I can find no other mention of this tribe in any book on the subject nor can I find one with a similar name, it's almost certainly a colonial fiction. Bacondrum ( talk) 10:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I was disappointed that this does not tell me which are the largest massacres - the only way would be to manually go through the entire article looking for the largest. I think the article would be improved by adding a section of say, the events with the ten highest mortalities. -- Gronk Oz ( talk) 02:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
These "inter-tribal Aboriginal massacres" seem to have been slipped into the article by Austhistory. There was never any discussion about their inclusion or how to handle these events if we were to include them, it just turned up https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians&type=revision&diff=888159996&oldid=887638664 I'm particularly concerned about Austhistory's focus being solely on inter-tribal Aboriginal massacres after they admitted to being responsible a site focused solely on attacking an Aboriginal academic /info/en/?search=Talk:Bruce_Pascoe/Archive_1#Some_New_Input_from_Dark_Emu_Exposed https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/ Was this added as part of an attempt to play down the significance of colonial massacres, is this a case of a culture war WP:SEALION? Bacondrum ( talk) 22:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm removing all surreptitiously added advocacy by User:Austhistory99 who is now indef blocked for blatant advocacy and conflict of interest violations. This editor was only here to attack Aboriginal Australians. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Serious_conflict_of_interest_issues,_blatant_advocacy_and_defamation Bacon drum 00:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
User Mconnoll64 introduced " Heathcoate 1965." as a reference in the article. It's their only contribution, so I cannot ask them. I cannot find any book written by a Heathcoate in 1965 with a similar topic. Can anyone help me to find the book? -- Ecelan ( talk) 15:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Should massacres by other Indigenous Australians be included such as the Massacre of Running Waters, which saw 50 to 60 Matuntara warriors ambush and kill of 80 to 100 Arrernte (formerly known as Aranda) men, women and children of the Southern Aranda language group in 1875. 106.71.58.30 ( talk) 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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A potentially significant data source on this topic is a PhD written on this topic by Judith Monticone [1]. She interviewed Aboriginal elders from around the country and documented the stories. I came across a map of significant incidents on Twitter, and sought the source data. I found the book in the State Library of Victoria (March 2017). A list of locations of the book is found in the National Library Catalogue - Trove. Trove notes this book in 28 libraries around the country.
See Monticone's (p.9) image of what she calls "inter-racial massacres since invasion", where she sets a lower limit of 100 deaths. In Victoria, alone according to the map, she documents around 100 incidents and many more around the country. A brief scan of the book suggested each dot in the map is documented in a page with details of the incident. I passed this data source on to the researchers at Newcastle (Dec 2017). This activity is documented in a Twitter thread. Areff2000 ( talk) 23:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
More details including sample State maps, now included at Twitter thread above, and sample of cases. Total Cases, with one chapter per State/Terr noted: NSW - 217, Tas - 160, Qld - 413, Vic - 166, SA - 94, WA - 151, NT - 106, ACT - 7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Areff2000 ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there can be an improvement in layout and content. I'm not very knowledgeable about a lot of Australian history myself (although have educated myself by reading quite a lot over the years), but I'm just looking at this from a practical and readability point of view and seeking input from others. These are some of my ideas:
(This is very much in the background for me, but there's been a bit of overlap with some other articles I've been editing.) Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 02:42, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Having added a bit to the lead from the first of the Guardian articles in their special report (The Killing Times) the other day, am just noting a few others for possible future use. There are few memorials to Australia's bloody history but that's changing and Living on a massacre site: home truths and trauma at Warrigal Creek and 'Conspiracy of silence': how sabotaged inquiries fed massacre denials. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 04:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I've left some long quotes in the footnotes for now, because I didn't have time to complete all of the cleaning up needed, but The Journals of George Augustus Robinson would in this context, I think, count as WP:Primary and in any case don't need quoting at such length. @ Austhistory99:, perhaps you would like to do a bit more cleaning up here, as you added this material? Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 07:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Concerning '50 or more killed in the Whiteside poisoning', Kiernan (Blood and Soil, p. 303) and his sources (e.g. Reece, Aborigines and Colonists, p. 49) are referring to the Kilcoy poisoning of 1842. There seems to be a conflation here with the Whiteside poisoning of 1847 related in the Australian (a Sydney newspaper published between 1824-1848), Tuesday 13 April 1847, p.3. No numbers are given for fatalities in that poisoning in the Australian. The source given at Colonial Frontier Massacres in Central and Eastern Australia 1788-1930 [1] (The Moreton Bay Courier, Saturday 24 April 1847, pp. 2-3) is a reply to (and refutation of) the Australian article and also does not give fatality numbers.
This should be removed immediately. It's a colonial rumour with nothing substantiating it other than the second hand musings of an unreliable witness - barely mentioned on one or two pages in a couple of books, and a family's papers from some ultra obscure library, surely more than this is needed to accuse the Kurnai peoples ancestors of a horrific crime. This colonial rumour lacks any quality sourcing, the only quality source used merely quotes the aforementioned unreliable witness. This claim is out of step with mainstream academia on the subject, it is based on a sensational colonial account, the language used in this primary source demonstrates a strong bias and profound racism, far better secondary sources are needed. The office of the Protector of Aborigines is certainly not a reliable source in this context. some of the claims are clearly fabrications: the Boro Boro Willum tribe, for example, never existed - I can find no other mention of this tribe in any book on the subject nor can I find one with a similar name, it's almost certainly a colonial fiction. Bacondrum ( talk) 10:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I was disappointed that this does not tell me which are the largest massacres - the only way would be to manually go through the entire article looking for the largest. I think the article would be improved by adding a section of say, the events with the ten highest mortalities. -- Gronk Oz ( talk) 02:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
These "inter-tribal Aboriginal massacres" seem to have been slipped into the article by Austhistory. There was never any discussion about their inclusion or how to handle these events if we were to include them, it just turned up https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians&type=revision&diff=888159996&oldid=887638664 I'm particularly concerned about Austhistory's focus being solely on inter-tribal Aboriginal massacres after they admitted to being responsible a site focused solely on attacking an Aboriginal academic /info/en/?search=Talk:Bruce_Pascoe/Archive_1#Some_New_Input_from_Dark_Emu_Exposed https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/ Was this added as part of an attempt to play down the significance of colonial massacres, is this a case of a culture war WP:SEALION? Bacondrum ( talk) 22:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm removing all surreptitiously added advocacy by User:Austhistory99 who is now indef blocked for blatant advocacy and conflict of interest violations. This editor was only here to attack Aboriginal Australians. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Serious_conflict_of_interest_issues,_blatant_advocacy_and_defamation Bacon drum 00:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
User Mconnoll64 introduced " Heathcoate 1965." as a reference in the article. It's their only contribution, so I cannot ask them. I cannot find any book written by a Heathcoate in 1965 with a similar topic. Can anyone help me to find the book? -- Ecelan ( talk) 15:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Should massacres by other Indigenous Australians be included such as the Massacre of Running Waters, which saw 50 to 60 Matuntara warriors ambush and kill of 80 to 100 Arrernte (formerly known as Aranda) men, women and children of the Southern Aranda language group in 1875. 106.71.58.30 ( talk) 10:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)