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Lord Mayor for 2022-23, Nicholas Lyons, should be listed as a Merchant Taylor rather than an Insurer. Whilst he is also a Liveryman of the Bakers, Insurers and Educators, his mother company is Merchant Taylors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:38BF:C900:9021:17E4:2461:4D2B ( talk) 08:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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I would say Whittington was Lord Mayor four times. From Museum of London: "In 1397 the Mayor, Adam Bamme, died in office and the King chose Whittington to become the new mayor. He was re-elected the following year, and again for 1406-7 and 1419-20. This made him Mayor of London four times." -- Henrygb 16:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
This is correct, but as he followed immediately in his own right then the two terms are conflated to one term.The two first terms are counted as one. 79.72.81.131 ( talk) 07:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S
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This entry for the mayor of 1300-1301 is erroneous, as are a lot of other people listed as being Lord Mayor. I have checked the official material given at the bottom from the City Of London Corporation itself and Alex Rodriguez was NOT the mayor at the time, nor have a number of people listed as being Lord Mayors ever held the office. Anyone researching the Lord Mayor and its history should be aware of this. It appears that whoever wrote the article, or someone who came along later, has filled in certain parts as the .pdf states, but then at what they must have deemed "less important and obscure" times and years gone and picked names at random. I think a warning at the head of the page should be made in order to warn people of these "errors" so that unwitting people aren't caught out.
According to the Liber Albus, the City's compendium of laws brought together by John Carpenter in 1423 Russel and Blound cover this period between them. So I have removed Rodriguez who is obviously a jester - the list now conforms with the City List which I suggest should be put here instead. 79.72.81.131 ( talk) 08:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S
According to the memoirs of Sir Abraham Reynardson (Lord Mayor in 1648):
“Upon Sir Henry Garraway’s retirement, the King’s party, desiring to continue the line of Royalists, put Sir W. Acton in nomination for the mayoralty. The election was then preceded by Holy Communion and sermon, the manner of it the same as that described by Fleetwood in Elizabeth’s reign (d, pages 106-107; j, page 21). The choice and nomination were with the Common Hall, and the selection was by the Court of Aldermen (d, page 115) of one of two sent to them from the electors. A Common Hall of young mechanics and other unqualified persons would not hear of Acton,1 for Soames and Wright had the most voices, but desired to be spared from serving. Acton was anxious only to know the King’s mind, and resolved to hold office until the King should put him out. At a subsequent meeting, duly constituted, Acton was legally elected, but displaced by Parliament in favour of Wright."
Shouldn't Acton be included in the list?
Quoted from 'London during the great rebellion, being a memoir of Sir Abraham Reynardson, Knt' pages 13-14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.230.23 ( talk) 19:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
The other day I removed some of the non-existent links as part of an effort to tidy up the article. Today this was undone - citing no explanation - so here it is. I have changed it back to how it was when I removed the links. Having links to pages which do not exist looks messy and does not help anyone. I hope to spend more time removing other non-existent links on the page at some point soon - however it is such as large job it is just a case of little and often. Anyone who has time - please help! Uvghifds ( talk) 16:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't know what the reference you link to is sourced from, but every other document relating to the era has Serlo. Your doc clearly had a typo. Please see, for instance: "London in the Later Middle Ages: Government and People 1200-1500" By Caroline M. Barron, which details not only the Mayors, but also the Sherrifs (Serlo was Sherrif before becoming Mayor). Lexysexy ( talk) 02:45, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Lexysexy ( talk) 02:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
The Gentleman's Magazine, London England, Volume 163 has an article on page 226 (reference [6]) and it seems the Mayor's name may be Owen Buckingham.
Should the article be changed to this name - or show both? Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Material linking off from the equivalent London Wiki page [7] can be used in articles here (or serve as the starting point for such articles). Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Mabelina: When editing, I used plurals for the livery companies because of the column title "Mother Livery Company" -- although Lord Mayor X was a Grocer, his Mother Livery Company was the (Worshipful Company of) Grocers. I can't think of a good replacement title for the column to make the singular consistent. Thoughts? ~~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~~ 05:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Could the two sides of the table be balanced out more.
Information on London wiki can be made use of - a mixture of OR, Wikisource and other sources. Jackiespeel ( talk) 18:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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Sir Edward Earnest Cooper was a musician, vocalist, [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] an architect, [6] [7] his family life may have also been recently written about. [8] ESparky ( talk) 18:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Sir Edward Ernest Cooper (1848 - 1922), was first educated in 1848 at a 'Dame School' in Bayswater run by Mrs Horatia Ward, the daughter of Lord Nelson and Lady Hamilton. Cooper eventually became head of the underwriting firm, James Hartley Cooper & Co. Ltd. Cooper became a member of the Musicians' Company in 1882 - aged 34, it was his Mother Livery. He was subsequently elected to the Court in 1901 and served as Master Musician for the first time in 1905/6.
Former Port of London Authority Building, Trinity Square Gardens. It was built between 1915 and 1922 and was in the Beaux Arts style to the design of Sir Edward Cooper. It was badly damaged in the war when the rotunda was destroyed.
The architect of The Lindo Wing was Sir Edward Cooper, who also designed the existing medical school buildings and Salton House as a nurses' home.
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With the '1455 Sir William Marlowe Grocer' listing the link is to a 20th century namesake. Correct link/differentiated name? Jackiespeel ( talk) 11:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
I have just filled in bibliographical details for several of the existing references, and updated some of the links. It's not quite clear, though, why a few Lords Mayors have inline citations while most do not - a legacy, perhaps, from when the article was in an earlier state of compilation, and some verifications were required? Eebahgum ( talk) 02:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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Add 1356, Henry Picard, vintner to the list.
See /info/en/?search=Henry_Picard_(Lord_Mayor) and https://books.google.hu/books?id=w28BAAAAYAAJ&dq=Sir+Henry+Picard++Lord+Mayor+1356&pg=PA466&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Henry%20Picard%20%20Lord%20Mayor%201356&f=false 2A01:36D:1500:6550:91B4:39EC:5588:F508 ( talk) 12:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Here his name is given as 'Simon de Montfort', but [ [16] and [17] give 'Simon de Mordone.' What should be the correct name here? Jackiespeel ( talk) 13:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a divergence in the livery companies for these two mayors here and on https://liverycommittee.org/about/city-of-london-corporation/the-lord-mayor/current-and-past-lord-mayors/ Jackiespeel ( talk) 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
As Sir William Russell also served two terms how should the 'Note' be changed (given that there were particular circumstances for the latter occurrence). Jackiespeel ( talk) 19:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
He is a member of the Company of Communicators Jackiespeel ( talk) 19:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
This says there have been six Fanmaker mayors - but only five are listed here. Was there a second change of guild (as with Sir John Charles Bell)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 20:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Lord Mayor for 2022-23, Nicholas Lyons, should be listed as a Merchant Taylor rather than an Insurer. Whilst he is also a Liveryman of the Bakers, Insurers and Educators, his mother company is Merchant Taylors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:38BF:C900:9021:17E4:2461:4D2B ( talk) 08:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
history relating to william pryke lord mayor in 1925
I would say Whittington was Lord Mayor four times. From Museum of London: "In 1397 the Mayor, Adam Bamme, died in office and the King chose Whittington to become the new mayor. He was re-elected the following year, and again for 1406-7 and 1419-20. This made him Mayor of London four times." -- Henrygb 16:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
This is correct, but as he followed immediately in his own right then the two terms are conflated to one term.The two first terms are counted as one. 79.72.81.131 ( talk) 07:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S
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This entry for the mayor of 1300-1301 is erroneous, as are a lot of other people listed as being Lord Mayor. I have checked the official material given at the bottom from the City Of London Corporation itself and Alex Rodriguez was NOT the mayor at the time, nor have a number of people listed as being Lord Mayors ever held the office. Anyone researching the Lord Mayor and its history should be aware of this. It appears that whoever wrote the article, or someone who came along later, has filled in certain parts as the .pdf states, but then at what they must have deemed "less important and obscure" times and years gone and picked names at random. I think a warning at the head of the page should be made in order to warn people of these "errors" so that unwitting people aren't caught out.
According to the Liber Albus, the City's compendium of laws brought together by John Carpenter in 1423 Russel and Blound cover this period between them. So I have removed Rodriguez who is obviously a jester - the list now conforms with the City List which I suggest should be put here instead. 79.72.81.131 ( talk) 08:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC) Tony S
According to the memoirs of Sir Abraham Reynardson (Lord Mayor in 1648):
“Upon Sir Henry Garraway’s retirement, the King’s party, desiring to continue the line of Royalists, put Sir W. Acton in nomination for the mayoralty. The election was then preceded by Holy Communion and sermon, the manner of it the same as that described by Fleetwood in Elizabeth’s reign (d, pages 106-107; j, page 21). The choice and nomination were with the Common Hall, and the selection was by the Court of Aldermen (d, page 115) of one of two sent to them from the electors. A Common Hall of young mechanics and other unqualified persons would not hear of Acton,1 for Soames and Wright had the most voices, but desired to be spared from serving. Acton was anxious only to know the King’s mind, and resolved to hold office until the King should put him out. At a subsequent meeting, duly constituted, Acton was legally elected, but displaced by Parliament in favour of Wright."
Shouldn't Acton be included in the list?
Quoted from 'London during the great rebellion, being a memoir of Sir Abraham Reynardson, Knt' pages 13-14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.230.23 ( talk) 19:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
The other day I removed some of the non-existent links as part of an effort to tidy up the article. Today this was undone - citing no explanation - so here it is. I have changed it back to how it was when I removed the links. Having links to pages which do not exist looks messy and does not help anyone. I hope to spend more time removing other non-existent links on the page at some point soon - however it is such as large job it is just a case of little and often. Anyone who has time - please help! Uvghifds ( talk) 16:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't know what the reference you link to is sourced from, but every other document relating to the era has Serlo. Your doc clearly had a typo. Please see, for instance: "London in the Later Middle Ages: Government and People 1200-1500" By Caroline M. Barron, which details not only the Mayors, but also the Sherrifs (Serlo was Sherrif before becoming Mayor). Lexysexy ( talk) 02:45, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Lexysexy ( talk) 02:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
The Gentleman's Magazine, London England, Volume 163 has an article on page 226 (reference [6]) and it seems the Mayor's name may be Owen Buckingham.
Should the article be changed to this name - or show both? Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Material linking off from the equivalent London Wiki page [7] can be used in articles here (or serve as the starting point for such articles). Jackiespeel ( talk) 17:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Mabelina: When editing, I used plurals for the livery companies because of the column title "Mother Livery Company" -- although Lord Mayor X was a Grocer, his Mother Livery Company was the (Worshipful Company of) Grocers. I can't think of a good replacement title for the column to make the singular consistent. Thoughts? ~~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~~ 05:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Could the two sides of the table be balanced out more.
Information on London wiki can be made use of - a mixture of OR, Wikisource and other sources. Jackiespeel ( talk) 18:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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Sir Edward Earnest Cooper was a musician, vocalist, [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] an architect, [6] [7] his family life may have also been recently written about. [8] ESparky ( talk) 18:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Sir Edward Ernest Cooper (1848 - 1922), was first educated in 1848 at a 'Dame School' in Bayswater run by Mrs Horatia Ward, the daughter of Lord Nelson and Lady Hamilton. Cooper eventually became head of the underwriting firm, James Hartley Cooper & Co. Ltd. Cooper became a member of the Musicians' Company in 1882 - aged 34, it was his Mother Livery. He was subsequently elected to the Court in 1901 and served as Master Musician for the first time in 1905/6.
Former Port of London Authority Building, Trinity Square Gardens. It was built between 1915 and 1922 and was in the Beaux Arts style to the design of Sir Edward Cooper. It was badly damaged in the war when the rotunda was destroyed.
The architect of The Lindo Wing was Sir Edward Cooper, who also designed the existing medical school buildings and Salton House as a nurses' home.
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Editors have listed examples of reliable sources using both Lord Mayors in title case and lord mayors in lowercase. There is no conclusive common name from the evidence presented, as editors disagree with the Google Search results. (This may be a result of the filter bubble caused by Google Personalized Search.) Therefore, this discussion does not present an adequate reason to override the MOS:JOBTITLES guideline in Wikipedia's Manual of Style.
( non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 01:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)List of Lord Mayors of London → List of lord mayors of London – per MOS:JOBTITLES (or List of lords mayor of London or List of mayors of the City of London or List of lord mayors of the City of London or List of lords mayor of the City of London). Following the multi-article RM at Talk:List of lord mayors of Stoke-on-Trent, we had about a 24-hour period when none of the articles in Category:Lists of mayors of places in England and Category:Lists of mayors of London boroughs conflicted with MOS:JOBTITLES by using capital letters for the plural of a title. Amakuru has correctly pointed out that this article was excluded from the moves that resulted from the multi-article RM at Talk:List of mayors of Birmingham, and has reverted a year-old move initiated by SMcCandlish. The problem in the Birmingham RM for this particular article seemed to be that the desired form was "List of mayors of X", but List of mayors of London is a redirect that leads to a different place (to Mayor of London#List of Mayors). In my view, it would at least be an improvement to move this to lowercase, as with all the other entries of Category:Lists of mayors of places in England and Category:Lists of mayors of London boroughs. Just changing uppercase to lowercase would avoid the issue with the List of mayors of London redirect. There has been a recent trend toward lowercasing consistently, with a clarification of MOS:JOBTITLES and a string of RMs including (chronologically) those at Talk:List of mayors of Birmingham (July 2017), Talk:List of provosts of Aberdeen (September 2017), Talk:List of mayors of Leeds (October 2017), Talk:List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II (October 2017), Talk:Mayor of Barnstaple (November 2017), Talk:List of chairmen of the House Republican Conference (December 2018), and (just within the few weeks) Talk:List of governors of New York, Talk:List of lieutenant governors of Michigan, Talk:List of chancellors of Germany, Talk:List of presidents of Austria and Talk:List of lord mayors of Stoke-on-Trent – each of those was a formal RM, and most of them were multi-page moves, and six of them were more recent than the most recent one I notice that moved in the other direction and stayed there ( List of heads of state of Angola → List of Presidents of Angola, which was primarily proposed for a different reason). — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 13:42, 4 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:05, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
With the '1455 Sir William Marlowe Grocer' listing the link is to a 20th century namesake. Correct link/differentiated name? Jackiespeel ( talk) 11:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
I have just filled in bibliographical details for several of the existing references, and updated some of the links. It's not quite clear, though, why a few Lords Mayors have inline citations while most do not - a legacy, perhaps, from when the article was in an earlier state of compilation, and some verifications were required? Eebahgum ( talk) 02:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Nicholas Lyons GeorgetheGreat1999 ( talk) 21:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
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Add 1356, Henry Picard, vintner to the list.
See /info/en/?search=Henry_Picard_(Lord_Mayor) and https://books.google.hu/books?id=w28BAAAAYAAJ&dq=Sir+Henry+Picard++Lord+Mayor+1356&pg=PA466&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Henry%20Picard%20%20Lord%20Mayor%201356&f=false 2A01:36D:1500:6550:91B4:39EC:5588:F508 ( talk) 12:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Here his name is given as 'Simon de Montfort', but [ [16] and [17] give 'Simon de Mordone.' What should be the correct name here? Jackiespeel ( talk) 13:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a divergence in the livery companies for these two mayors here and on https://liverycommittee.org/about/city-of-london-corporation/the-lord-mayor/current-and-past-lord-mayors/ Jackiespeel ( talk) 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
As Sir William Russell also served two terms how should the 'Note' be changed (given that there were particular circumstances for the latter occurrence). Jackiespeel ( talk) 19:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
He is a member of the Company of Communicators Jackiespeel ( talk) 19:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
This says there have been six Fanmaker mayors - but only five are listed here. Was there a second change of guild (as with Sir John Charles Bell)? Jackiespeel ( talk) 20:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)