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I've looked through all of the name lists and I think that the Atlantic name lists are the most organised. I think that all the other name lists should only contain ten years of names, then be placed in a different set. For example: 2000-2009, not 2000-2015. I think it would make it much more organised; I am currently on vacation and won't be back for awhile, it would be helpful if someone helps me with this reconstruction. STO12 ( talk) 00:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I've been working on creating a link for every storm on this article, it may take awhile, but if Someone would like to help me then that would be most appreciated. STO12 —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC).
We need to cite sources here. Where did this information come from?
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
In the "North Pacific east of 140W" section, "Names effective 1960-1977" subsection, the third list refers to "Aletta" but the retired list says that Adele was replaced by "Alleta". Anybody know which name is actually correct? -- Quelloquialism 10:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
this article is confusing and vague. Kingturtle 21:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't names retired from the modern lists also be listed here since they are 'old' and will not come into use again? They aren't covered here or in the hurricane naming article.
In the Atlantic, those would be:
Most of the names were taken straight from here. I don't see why it is disputed. Hurricanehink 22:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
How can we find the old name lists of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones ? There is less information about this basin than other basins.
--
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I think this article should be renamed List of historic tropical cyclone names be cause that's what it really is. The word "previous" implies recency. These names are historic: ones from...history. I think the name should reflect that. -- § Hurricane E RIC § Damages archive 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This is just a disorganized and unstructured list of lists... Jdorje 20:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the sets used from 2001 to 2004 is the same as to 2005 afterwards? If yes, kindly change from 2004 to Present in a title for the usage of the set that was effective since 2001. -- Frj1947 17:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I read somewhere before that the First Eastern Pacific Hurricane name list from 1960 consist of 4 list with rules applying to the list the same as the Western Pacific (meaning use running sequentially). In 1966 this was change to starting with A every year just as the Atlantic List but still maintaining the old list that was before. Can anyone please clarify that information? 29 May 2006
Here's a WMO source for all Australian region retirees: [1] Tito xd( ?!?) 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
@ Jason Rees: This article is getting squishy and long like the old similar article we had before. I think that we should separate these into something like: List of historic Eastern Pacific names etc. It is more better and cleaner. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I think it's more useful having everything on one page. That way, you can look up a name with the find function (control + F) and see all of the names worldwide. Plenty of people are curious whether their name has ever been used. It's also possible people might remember a storm name being used but couldn't remember where (very possible in Atlantic vs. EPAC). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I noticed while going through the South Pacific cyclone season articles today that in and around the 80s, cyclones in the far eastern South Pacific were named by the Tahitian met service. There is minimal indication in the articles that that was the case but I found out by snooping around and a bit of inferences. I find it interesting that the way regions of naming and even the official basins have changed throughout history, but many different pages are very present-based with no indication of how cyclones were monitored in the past. It can be quite confusing sometimes.
I also came to this page to see that only some of the Tahitian names were in the South Pacific section, some are missing e.g. Diola (1980-81). Would it be a good idea to have the Tahitian names in their own separate subsection (under the South Pacific) to somehow indicate this? In addition, I think quite a lot could be written about the history of these agency changes but there's not much in the southern hemisphere regions, where it gets especially interesting, with sparse data/other sources mentioning it.
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This article should actually be named "List of historical tropical cyclone names", as the word "historic" refers to things of great historical significance, whereas "historical" simply means something that happened in the past. This is not a major difference, but still good to fix. Since there's no separate page on historic (i.e. major) historical storms, a redirect can be setup to avoid breaking links. Any objections? Tfocker4 ( talk) 15:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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@ Typhoon2013: You are not allowed to publish the WPAC International names for the rest of this year and future years onto this list per the wikipedia rules on Original Research. Jason Rees ( talk) 09:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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The South-West Indian Ocean basin, like the North Atlantic and North-East Pacific (1966-date) basins, uses yearly namelists. However, while NATL and EPAC have recycled names and namelists from time to time while retiring a few names for obvious reasons (now doing so in six-year cycles since 1979), it looks like SWIO has hardly ever reused a single name (Anita being perhaps the only one, used in 1967-68 and 2006-07 seasons), and since the SWIO seasons' articles here do not mention any available-but-unused names (except the 1983-84 season and 1992-93 onwards), it is not obvious to me whether any unused pre-1992-93 names were recycled from one year to another.
Does anybody here know where could someone find the full namelists ever used by MFR (including all unused names) for all seasons before 1992-93?
Also, according to Tropical cyclone naming#South-West Indian Ocean (Africa – 90°E), since the 2000-01 season namelists are cycled every three years (retiring only those names that got to be used), although that is not even quite obvious since even many unused names are not being recycled for subsequent years (only unused names Savana thru Zanele from 2009-10 season have survived to this day, being present in the current 2018-19 list, whereas Kanja thru Rahim from 2009-10, though never assigned before, did not make it back into 2018-19). So it seems this so-called "three year cycling" of namelists is not holding up. SilSinn9821 ( talk) 07:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
The historical cyclone names mentioned in List of historical tropical cyclone names#Australian Region are listed in a rather awkward manner, with all three historical pre-2008-09 Australian namelists (Western, Northern, and Eastern) interleaved together, thus making it hard to discern at first glance which names came from the West set of namelists, which from the North list-set, and which from the East list-set. Should the tables be split into three subsections according to the sub-regions where the cyclones were named?
Also, I believe Indonesian names (including Durga) and also Papua New Guinean ones should be listed separately in a manner similar to that done for Hawaiian names in
List of historical tropical cyclone names#Central North Pacific (Date Line to 140°W), since Indonesian- and PNG-named cyclones are about as rare as Hawaiian-named storms and hurricanes. So, in summary, I believe this section should be split into five six subsections: Western Australia (pre-2008-09), Northern Australia (pre-2008-09), Eastern Australia (pre-2008-09), Australia (post-2008-09), and Indonesia, and Papua New Guinea; and whenever Papua New Guinean names make their debut, a sixth subsection may be added. --
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The more and more I think about this proposal the more I wonder how far into detail, we want to go into details like who named what system and I would like to hear from other editors about it. @ Hurricanehink, Jasper Deng, Cyclonebiskit, Typhoon2013, and Meow: Jason Rees ( talk) 15:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
And talking about sections, why are PAGASA names listed in a section of their own (== Philippines ==), separate from List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific, when Philippines isn't a separate basin but a member of WPAC? Shouldn't such section be rather a subsection (=== Philippines ===) within "List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific"? -- SilSinn9821 ( talk) 04:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Many of the pre-2000 names used in SWIO sound more English than French (in spite of that basin being MFR territory from the beginning). It begs the question as to whether the names used during that period were devised by MFR alone or whether JTWC (given the U.S. military presence in the Diego Garcia archipelago) actually lent a hand there, given JTWC’s known history of naming storms in WPAC until 2000 (when JMA took over that duty there). -- SilSinn9821 ( talk) 18:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate if I add european windstorm names in this article but it wouldn’t be TROPICAL CYCLONES, right? So if inappropriate or appropriate, reply and I would then add/do nothing with this article. 223.239.62.139 ( talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC) 223.239.62.139 ( talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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Even though all storm names given to Southeast Pacific storms are unofficial, do they deserve to be mentioned on this article? I made a table for the storms (shown above) for Southeast Pacific storms. South Atlantic name (which are in the article) are technically unofficial as the South Atlantic is an unofficial basin, so there is a a precedent for unofficial names. Infinity ( talk - contributions) 20:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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I've looked through all of the name lists and I think that the Atlantic name lists are the most organised. I think that all the other name lists should only contain ten years of names, then be placed in a different set. For example: 2000-2009, not 2000-2015. I think it would make it much more organised; I am currently on vacation and won't be back for awhile, it would be helpful if someone helps me with this reconstruction. STO12 ( talk) 00:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I've been working on creating a link for every storm on this article, it may take awhile, but if Someone would like to help me then that would be most appreciated. STO12 —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC).
We need to cite sources here. Where did this information come from?
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:07, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
In the "North Pacific east of 140W" section, "Names effective 1960-1977" subsection, the third list refers to "Aletta" but the retired list says that Adele was replaced by "Alleta". Anybody know which name is actually correct? -- Quelloquialism 10:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
this article is confusing and vague. Kingturtle 21:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't names retired from the modern lists also be listed here since they are 'old' and will not come into use again? They aren't covered here or in the hurricane naming article.
In the Atlantic, those would be:
Most of the names were taken straight from here. I don't see why it is disputed. Hurricanehink 22:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
How can we find the old name lists of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones ? There is less information about this basin than other basins.
--
HERB
13:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this article should be renamed List of historic tropical cyclone names be cause that's what it really is. The word "previous" implies recency. These names are historic: ones from...history. I think the name should reflect that. -- § Hurricane E RIC § Damages archive 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This is just a disorganized and unstructured list of lists... Jdorje 20:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the sets used from 2001 to 2004 is the same as to 2005 afterwards? If yes, kindly change from 2004 to Present in a title for the usage of the set that was effective since 2001. -- Frj1947 17:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I read somewhere before that the First Eastern Pacific Hurricane name list from 1960 consist of 4 list with rules applying to the list the same as the Western Pacific (meaning use running sequentially). In 1966 this was change to starting with A every year just as the Atlantic List but still maintaining the old list that was before. Can anyone please clarify that information? 29 May 2006
Here's a WMO source for all Australian region retirees: [1] Tito xd( ?!?) 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
@ Jason Rees: This article is getting squishy and long like the old similar article we had before. I think that we should separate these into something like: List of historic Eastern Pacific names etc. It is more better and cleaner. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I think it's more useful having everything on one page. That way, you can look up a name with the find function (control + F) and see all of the names worldwide. Plenty of people are curious whether their name has ever been used. It's also possible people might remember a storm name being used but couldn't remember where (very possible in Atlantic vs. EPAC). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 18:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I noticed while going through the South Pacific cyclone season articles today that in and around the 80s, cyclones in the far eastern South Pacific were named by the Tahitian met service. There is minimal indication in the articles that that was the case but I found out by snooping around and a bit of inferences. I find it interesting that the way regions of naming and even the official basins have changed throughout history, but many different pages are very present-based with no indication of how cyclones were monitored in the past. It can be quite confusing sometimes.
I also came to this page to see that only some of the Tahitian names were in the South Pacific section, some are missing e.g. Diola (1980-81). Would it be a good idea to have the Tahitian names in their own separate subsection (under the South Pacific) to somehow indicate this? In addition, I think quite a lot could be written about the history of these agency changes but there's not much in the southern hemisphere regions, where it gets especially interesting, with sparse data/other sources mentioning it.
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This article should actually be named "List of historical tropical cyclone names", as the word "historic" refers to things of great historical significance, whereas "historical" simply means something that happened in the past. This is not a major difference, but still good to fix. Since there's no separate page on historic (i.e. major) historical storms, a redirect can be setup to avoid breaking links. Any objections? Tfocker4 ( talk) 15:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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@ Typhoon2013: You are not allowed to publish the WPAC International names for the rest of this year and future years onto this list per the wikipedia rules on Original Research. Jason Rees ( talk) 09:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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The South-West Indian Ocean basin, like the North Atlantic and North-East Pacific (1966-date) basins, uses yearly namelists. However, while NATL and EPAC have recycled names and namelists from time to time while retiring a few names for obvious reasons (now doing so in six-year cycles since 1979), it looks like SWIO has hardly ever reused a single name (Anita being perhaps the only one, used in 1967-68 and 2006-07 seasons), and since the SWIO seasons' articles here do not mention any available-but-unused names (except the 1983-84 season and 1992-93 onwards), it is not obvious to me whether any unused pre-1992-93 names were recycled from one year to another.
Does anybody here know where could someone find the full namelists ever used by MFR (including all unused names) for all seasons before 1992-93?
Also, according to Tropical cyclone naming#South-West Indian Ocean (Africa – 90°E), since the 2000-01 season namelists are cycled every three years (retiring only those names that got to be used), although that is not even quite obvious since even many unused names are not being recycled for subsequent years (only unused names Savana thru Zanele from 2009-10 season have survived to this day, being present in the current 2018-19 list, whereas Kanja thru Rahim from 2009-10, though never assigned before, did not make it back into 2018-19). So it seems this so-called "three year cycling" of namelists is not holding up. SilSinn9821 ( talk) 07:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
The historical cyclone names mentioned in List of historical tropical cyclone names#Australian Region are listed in a rather awkward manner, with all three historical pre-2008-09 Australian namelists (Western, Northern, and Eastern) interleaved together, thus making it hard to discern at first glance which names came from the West set of namelists, which from the North list-set, and which from the East list-set. Should the tables be split into three subsections according to the sub-regions where the cyclones were named?
Also, I believe Indonesian names (including Durga) and also Papua New Guinean ones should be listed separately in a manner similar to that done for Hawaiian names in
List of historical tropical cyclone names#Central North Pacific (Date Line to 140°W), since Indonesian- and PNG-named cyclones are about as rare as Hawaiian-named storms and hurricanes. So, in summary, I believe this section should be split into five six subsections: Western Australia (pre-2008-09), Northern Australia (pre-2008-09), Eastern Australia (pre-2008-09), Australia (post-2008-09), and Indonesia, and Papua New Guinea; and whenever Papua New Guinean names make their debut, a sixth subsection may be added. --
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Durga (2007-08) | Anggrek (2010-11) | Bakung (2014-15) | Cempaka (2017-18) | Dahlia (2017-18) | Flamboyan (2017-18) |
References: (list of references) |
---|
The more and more I think about this proposal the more I wonder how far into detail, we want to go into details like who named what system and I would like to hear from other editors about it. @ Hurricanehink, Jasper Deng, Cyclonebiskit, Typhoon2013, and Meow: Jason Rees ( talk) 15:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
And talking about sections, why are PAGASA names listed in a section of their own (== Philippines ==), separate from List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific, when Philippines isn't a separate basin but a member of WPAC? Shouldn't such section be rather a subsection (=== Philippines ===) within "List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific"? -- SilSinn9821 ( talk) 04:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Many of the pre-2000 names used in SWIO sound more English than French (in spite of that basin being MFR territory from the beginning). It begs the question as to whether the names used during that period were devised by MFR alone or whether JTWC (given the U.S. military presence in the Diego Garcia archipelago) actually lent a hand there, given JTWC’s known history of naming storms in WPAC until 2000 (when JMA took over that duty there). -- SilSinn9821 ( talk) 18:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate if I add european windstorm names in this article but it wouldn’t be TROPICAL CYCLONES, right? So if inappropriate or appropriate, reply and I would then add/do nothing with this article. 223.239.62.139 ( talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC) 223.239.62.139 ( talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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Even though all storm names given to Southeast Pacific storms are unofficial, do they deserve to be mentioned on this article? I made a table for the storms (shown above) for Southeast Pacific storms. South Atlantic name (which are in the article) are technically unofficial as the South Atlantic is an unofficial basin, so there is a a precedent for unofficial names. Infinity ( talk - contributions) 20:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)