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This page should also list the cause of death. I myself cannot be bothered going through and adding this information but somebody else should, if they are so inclined. - LolPop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.31.66 ( talk) 07:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The title is very misleading, as it invites entries on people including those "who were assassinated, murdered, committed suicide, killed in battle, executed, drowned or who died as a result of a transportation accident" - until one reads the fine print. I've just added Harold Holt, and then discovered he's excluded by the criteria. Is there a separate "List of heads of state and government who drowned in office" - it would be a VERY short list, I presume. Where else would one logically look for a name such as Harold Holt than on this list? It wasn't his fault that he drowned rather than had a heart attack or cancer. We need to get some re-thinking happening here. -- JackofOz ( talk) 10 July 2008
These "elsewhere"s ought to be listed in a See also section at the bottom of this list. Robert K S ( talk) 07:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC) ((Resolved: but now the page needs to be updated, and may I recommend adding some function by which visitors to the page can sort the list by cause if they so wish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.31.66 ( talk) 07:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
These people are neither heads of government nor heads of state. The head of state of the Commonwealth Realms is Queen Elizabeth II. -- JackofOz ( talk) 20:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Heads of state may die in two ways, unexpected ones (such as assassinations) or expected ones (such as illness or age). In the second case, few ones would die still as head of state: shortly before that the power is transferred to whoever follows in the succesion line, and then he dies (after all, someone must still govern in that time, and such head of state would be in no condition to do so). Would those ones still count as "died in office" for the purposes of this list, even if not accurately correct? MBelgrano ( talk) 02:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
This list seems to have quite arbitrary inclusion criteria. I can see why monarchs are excluded, but why exclude those heads of state who were assassinated or who died in accidents? It states they are listed elsewhere, but they are not linked at all and the only other relevant article I can find is Death in office which just links to this page and then lists four Russian governors.
The intro also contradicts the entries, given that it states "It only includes the heads of the state or government in the republican countries", the first four entries are three British prime ministers (Britain is not a republic) and a viceroy (not a head of state or government, by definition not a republican country). Thryduulf ( talk) 11:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Given that we've been talking for years about the fact that the criteria listed in the introduction don't match the page title, is arbitrary and incorrect in saying that all of the other categories are listed elsewhere, I'm going to rewrite the criteria to match the page title (excluding royalty and others who have lifetime positions.) M Pinck ( talk) 02:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted a change by an anonymous user who wanted to include in this list all heads of state or government who had lifetime appointment. This would make this list effectively a list of every king, queen, pope, sultan, etc. who ever ruled. M Pinck ( talk) 21:21, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
IMHO, the Presidents of the Governate of Vatican City and the Vatican Secretaries of State, should be excluded. AFAIK, the Pope is Vatican City's head of state and government. GoodDay ( talk) 22:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Collins is called 'assassinated' as cause of death but in the Republic of Ireland he is officially cited as 'killed in action', his death taking place when Collins, commander-in-chief of the Irish National Army, was in a military convoy that was ambushed by armed and uniformed opponents of the Treaty that created the Irish Free State. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Does this list include heads of government of non-independent, but self-governing/autonomous territories and republics? I have added a few such examples (such as heads of state/government of former Soviet and Yugoslav union/federal republics, and heads of government of autonomous/self-governing territories and colonies).
From my viewpoint, it would seem logical to include them, given that the criteria on top of the page doesn't say anything about whether the people listed here should be heads of independent states. However, there doesn't seem to be consensus about this, as, browsing through the editing history of the page, I noticed that such office-holders have at times been removed by other editors, with the reason given being precisely that they weren't heads of state/government of independent states.
What do you think? Fogelstrom ( talk) 11:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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This page should also list the cause of death. I myself cannot be bothered going through and adding this information but somebody else should, if they are so inclined. - LolPop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.31.66 ( talk) 07:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The title is very misleading, as it invites entries on people including those "who were assassinated, murdered, committed suicide, killed in battle, executed, drowned or who died as a result of a transportation accident" - until one reads the fine print. I've just added Harold Holt, and then discovered he's excluded by the criteria. Is there a separate "List of heads of state and government who drowned in office" - it would be a VERY short list, I presume. Where else would one logically look for a name such as Harold Holt than on this list? It wasn't his fault that he drowned rather than had a heart attack or cancer. We need to get some re-thinking happening here. -- JackofOz ( talk) 10 July 2008
These "elsewhere"s ought to be listed in a See also section at the bottom of this list. Robert K S ( talk) 07:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC) ((Resolved: but now the page needs to be updated, and may I recommend adding some function by which visitors to the page can sort the list by cause if they so wish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.31.66 ( talk) 07:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
These people are neither heads of government nor heads of state. The head of state of the Commonwealth Realms is Queen Elizabeth II. -- JackofOz ( talk) 20:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Heads of state may die in two ways, unexpected ones (such as assassinations) or expected ones (such as illness or age). In the second case, few ones would die still as head of state: shortly before that the power is transferred to whoever follows in the succesion line, and then he dies (after all, someone must still govern in that time, and such head of state would be in no condition to do so). Would those ones still count as "died in office" for the purposes of this list, even if not accurately correct? MBelgrano ( talk) 02:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
This list seems to have quite arbitrary inclusion criteria. I can see why monarchs are excluded, but why exclude those heads of state who were assassinated or who died in accidents? It states they are listed elsewhere, but they are not linked at all and the only other relevant article I can find is Death in office which just links to this page and then lists four Russian governors.
The intro also contradicts the entries, given that it states "It only includes the heads of the state or government in the republican countries", the first four entries are three British prime ministers (Britain is not a republic) and a viceroy (not a head of state or government, by definition not a republican country). Thryduulf ( talk) 11:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Given that we've been talking for years about the fact that the criteria listed in the introduction don't match the page title, is arbitrary and incorrect in saying that all of the other categories are listed elsewhere, I'm going to rewrite the criteria to match the page title (excluding royalty and others who have lifetime positions.) M Pinck ( talk) 02:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted a change by an anonymous user who wanted to include in this list all heads of state or government who had lifetime appointment. This would make this list effectively a list of every king, queen, pope, sultan, etc. who ever ruled. M Pinck ( talk) 21:21, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
IMHO, the Presidents of the Governate of Vatican City and the Vatican Secretaries of State, should be excluded. AFAIK, the Pope is Vatican City's head of state and government. GoodDay ( talk) 22:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Collins is called 'assassinated' as cause of death but in the Republic of Ireland he is officially cited as 'killed in action', his death taking place when Collins, commander-in-chief of the Irish National Army, was in a military convoy that was ambushed by armed and uniformed opponents of the Treaty that created the Irish Free State. Cloptonson ( talk) 20:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Does this list include heads of government of non-independent, but self-governing/autonomous territories and republics? I have added a few such examples (such as heads of state/government of former Soviet and Yugoslav union/federal republics, and heads of government of autonomous/self-governing territories and colonies).
From my viewpoint, it would seem logical to include them, given that the criteria on top of the page doesn't say anything about whether the people listed here should be heads of independent states. However, there doesn't seem to be consensus about this, as, browsing through the editing history of the page, I noticed that such office-holders have at times been removed by other editors, with the reason given being precisely that they weren't heads of state/government of independent states.
What do you think? Fogelstrom ( talk) 11:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)