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I suppose, that Li is the first name and Xiaopeng (also Ning) is the last name. If it's wrong, correct the changes, that I've made, please. Cmapm 11:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Li is the last name. It might be a very common name in china.
anobo 09:51, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
There was no countries like "Russia", "Ukraine", "Uzbekistan", etc., during the existence of the USSR. There were Soviet Republics Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Uzbek SSR. Should we change entries like " USSR/ Russia", " USSR/ Ukraine" to " Russian SFSR", " Ukrainian SSR" for gymnasts, who competed in that period? Cmapm 12:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't see these questions sooner. Thanks for your help with these articles!! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 07:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Should years be provided here? E.g. in List of Chinese people they are not provided at all and in List of Russians they are provided only sometimes and mostly for those, who died. Maybe they could be temporarily provided for "red links" only? I think, that more important inf. to be included is whether a person was Olympic/World Champion. I also think, that "(byear-dyear)" is more commonly used format, than "(b. byear-d. dyear)" Any comments? Cmapm 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just removed recently added Natasha Lisagor, the only references I found to her on the web is [1] and a mention here. I believe, she's not famous, but rather unknown. I could be wrong, then, please, provide more sourced inf. about her. Cmapm 20:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through this page today. The list of gymnasts is getting very, very long. It's incredibly awesome that so many pages about these awesome athletes are appearing, but I wonder if this list might be cumbersome for some people to scroll through.
I notice that most of these gymnasts belong to some category: "Russian gymnasts," "Canadian gymnasts," etc. Perhaps instead of providing the long lists of names, we could provide links to the category pages? The disadvantage would be that WAG, MAG and rhythmic would all be together, but it would also tell a reader quickly if there was a page about their favorite gymnast. Any thoughts? Mademoiselle Sabina 20:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Surely, since it is a list of Gymnasts, then it is a list of gymnasts? Why the exclusion of Acrobatic gymnastics? Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 16:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
In the newly added section on male acrobatic gymnasts I have experimented with layout, I believe that each gymnast's FIG record should be present / referenced. I am undecided whether to do it with group-named references of to use a table format. Fortunately it isn;t hard to convert to a table if desired, so I am leaving it for a while until either I have an opinion, or others reach a consensus, should they choose. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 22:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Unless I am mistaken, the FIG record for each gymnast is likely to be sufficient reference. {{ FIG}} is very useful here. It's a simple process to find records for each gymnast and enter them: one uses this link and enters as much or as little information as one has. The only time consuming and laborious element is handling existing entries. We do need to make the effort to have a correctly inclusive and cited list. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 11:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I am unsure about the redlinks. Part of me wants them in there to encourage other articles. Part of me thinks these are unlikely to be notable. However the majority of the redlinks are in a less well followed category of the sport, so they may well be notable, just not yet with articles. I'm running across them because they have been added en masse recently, and they stick out because they are out of alphabetical order. Since I'm quietly changing the entire list to a tabled and referenced format these folk stick out like a sore thumb. But what to do? De;ete them or include them? Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 13:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I think there is some confusion. The list is a list of gymnasts. While I understand that a group is a sub discipline of their chosen sector, it is a categorisation too far. If I've accidentally removed some notable gymnasts by removing the section please feel free to re-add them, but, please, as individuals. The list is, surely, intended simply to list those folk who are notable, by major discipline and by nationality. Their own articles are the place to go into the sub disciplines they choose to compete in. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 19:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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Attempts have been made to include in the discussion the relevant Wikiproject and editors previously active in the article, so far with limited success. Thus the RfC is created to request a substantially broader set of opinions so that the article will reflect the best standards of providing a useful source of information for the casual reader of Wikipedia. If your thoughts extend the matters beyond the short list above, please feel free to extend the discussion, though restricting it in this request to the formatting and layout of the article and its contents, please. Other matters are welcome, but would probably broaden the scope of this particular discussion too widely, and render it hard to reach a conclusion.
There are some main sections below this RfC section. If it is felt they should be included within the section structure of this RfC please feel free to add or merge them to it. We need to attempt one conversation rather than fragments Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Currently the list is ordered by discipline and by sex of the gymnast. I wonder whether this might not be better ordered by nation, grouping the discipline on a nation by nation basis. In the absence of comments to the contrary I may well take this further reorganisation on. It's not particularly arduous to do, but I feel a further set of bold edits without any warning or discussion might be a step too far. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 01:47, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Proposal that this list be re-organised into national order with disciplines within nations rather than the present form which is nations within disciplines. By doing this we can prepare more easily for the day when it is appropriate to break the list into a list per nation.
If the proposal is supported a matter for discussion is to merge the disciplines into a single table, with a further (sortable) column for discipline or to leave each discipline in a table of its own. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 07:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
More How we deal with the sexes of the athletes is open to discussion as well. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Gymnast | Country | Discipline |
---|---|---|
Jade Barbosa | Brazil | Artistic (female) |
Georgia Bonora | Australia | Artistic (female) |
Adam Buckingham | United Kingdom | Acrobat (male) |
Perhaps have dates of birth to make it a better finding aid. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear folks, generic lists like this one are boring. Users won't know the reasons why some gymnasts are included and other aren't. Plus, it provides very little information on the gymnasts.
I prefer more specific lists of people. Taking a few examples from other sports, see List of Formula One drivers and List of NASCAR drivers. Those lists show relevant results of the competitors, which can be sorted. I've done similar lists in the Spanish Wikipedia.
So, how about a similiar list based on List of Olympic medalists in gymnastics? The same could be done with World Artistic Gymnastics Championships, Artistic Gymnastics World Cup, European Women's Artistic Gymnastics Championships and Pan American Games competitors. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 15:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm growing concerned over the addition of a substantial number of genuine nonentity gymnasts. Many FIG records show simply that they exist, and that they have competed in nothing special, won nothing special. The is especially true of the Rhythmic discipline.
I believe that we need to take the clear view that there is no place for a redlinked person on this list unless they are genuinely notable, and simple do not, yet, have an individual article. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 09:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware that they prettify the article, but are they within policy? We need it to be self consistent. I've asked for clarification at the Village Pump's policy section Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 09:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I'm wondering, what exactly is supposed to be in the "Date" column? From the little bit of background I have done, they seem to mostly coincide with the date of birth for the gymnast. Is it supposed to be just their birthday, their lifespan (b-d), or the dates they are recognized for as a gymnast (which year/years they won an award or something)? Some clarification here would be helpful in the development of the new template/table/multi-page thing I am working on... Thanks. Technical 13 ( talk) 12:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
New to this article and a bit confused to see it is full of external links to sportcentric, most articles dont have external links shouldnt these be references. Not sure if the gymnast has a linked article it really needs a reference either. Oh and do you really need a link to FIG on every line. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I've shortened it a bit. I'm thinking of setting a width for the whole table, but you should get the idea of the data. I'm wondering if a "medals" column would be good? Technical 13 ( talk) 14:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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There are a couple gymnasts that I think should be on here but I don't know if they would be considered "notable" or not. Could we perhaps write a definition at the top clarifying what is considered a notable gymnasts or not? I think this would make it easier for readers to understand why these gymnasts made the list. I also think by doing this, it would make adding edits to the article easier. NotSaraEdmondson ( talk) 15:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Looks like this article has been tagged as Too Long. It might be worth splitting this into these separate articles (as the number of gymnasts keeps growing for all disciplines). The most straightforward split, I think, would be:
This page can then link to each split article. Mypurplelightsaber ( talk) 14:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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I suppose, that Li is the first name and Xiaopeng (also Ning) is the last name. If it's wrong, correct the changes, that I've made, please. Cmapm 11:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Li is the last name. It might be a very common name in china.
anobo 09:51, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
There was no countries like "Russia", "Ukraine", "Uzbekistan", etc., during the existence of the USSR. There were Soviet Republics Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Uzbek SSR. Should we change entries like " USSR/ Russia", " USSR/ Ukraine" to " Russian SFSR", " Ukrainian SSR" for gymnasts, who competed in that period? Cmapm 12:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't see these questions sooner. Thanks for your help with these articles!! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 07:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Should years be provided here? E.g. in List of Chinese people they are not provided at all and in List of Russians they are provided only sometimes and mostly for those, who died. Maybe they could be temporarily provided for "red links" only? I think, that more important inf. to be included is whether a person was Olympic/World Champion. I also think, that "(byear-dyear)" is more commonly used format, than "(b. byear-d. dyear)" Any comments? Cmapm 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just removed recently added Natasha Lisagor, the only references I found to her on the web is [1] and a mention here. I believe, she's not famous, but rather unknown. I could be wrong, then, please, provide more sourced inf. about her. Cmapm 20:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through this page today. The list of gymnasts is getting very, very long. It's incredibly awesome that so many pages about these awesome athletes are appearing, but I wonder if this list might be cumbersome for some people to scroll through.
I notice that most of these gymnasts belong to some category: "Russian gymnasts," "Canadian gymnasts," etc. Perhaps instead of providing the long lists of names, we could provide links to the category pages? The disadvantage would be that WAG, MAG and rhythmic would all be together, but it would also tell a reader quickly if there was a page about their favorite gymnast. Any thoughts? Mademoiselle Sabina 20:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Surely, since it is a list of Gymnasts, then it is a list of gymnasts? Why the exclusion of Acrobatic gymnastics? Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 16:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
In the newly added section on male acrobatic gymnasts I have experimented with layout, I believe that each gymnast's FIG record should be present / referenced. I am undecided whether to do it with group-named references of to use a table format. Fortunately it isn;t hard to convert to a table if desired, so I am leaving it for a while until either I have an opinion, or others reach a consensus, should they choose. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 22:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Unless I am mistaken, the FIG record for each gymnast is likely to be sufficient reference. {{ FIG}} is very useful here. It's a simple process to find records for each gymnast and enter them: one uses this link and enters as much or as little information as one has. The only time consuming and laborious element is handling existing entries. We do need to make the effort to have a correctly inclusive and cited list. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 11:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I am unsure about the redlinks. Part of me wants them in there to encourage other articles. Part of me thinks these are unlikely to be notable. However the majority of the redlinks are in a less well followed category of the sport, so they may well be notable, just not yet with articles. I'm running across them because they have been added en masse recently, and they stick out because they are out of alphabetical order. Since I'm quietly changing the entire list to a tabled and referenced format these folk stick out like a sore thumb. But what to do? De;ete them or include them? Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 13:59, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I think there is some confusion. The list is a list of gymnasts. While I understand that a group is a sub discipline of their chosen sector, it is a categorisation too far. If I've accidentally removed some notable gymnasts by removing the section please feel free to re-add them, but, please, as individuals. The list is, surely, intended simply to list those folk who are notable, by major discipline and by nationality. Their own articles are the place to go into the sub disciplines they choose to compete in. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 19:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I know it is declared more usual to enter an RFC in its own section, but this discussion requires more light shone upon it from a wider population of experienced editors. This is not a dispute. We are seeking the best route forward for this list. Matters under discussion include, but are not limited to:
Attempts have been made to include in the discussion the relevant Wikiproject and editors previously active in the article, so far with limited success. Thus the RfC is created to request a substantially broader set of opinions so that the article will reflect the best standards of providing a useful source of information for the casual reader of Wikipedia. If your thoughts extend the matters beyond the short list above, please feel free to extend the discussion, though restricting it in this request to the formatting and layout of the article and its contents, please. Other matters are welcome, but would probably broaden the scope of this particular discussion too widely, and render it hard to reach a conclusion.
There are some main sections below this RfC section. If it is felt they should be included within the section structure of this RfC please feel free to add or merge them to it. We need to attempt one conversation rather than fragments Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Currently the list is ordered by discipline and by sex of the gymnast. I wonder whether this might not be better ordered by nation, grouping the discipline on a nation by nation basis. In the absence of comments to the contrary I may well take this further reorganisation on. It's not particularly arduous to do, but I feel a further set of bold edits without any warning or discussion might be a step too far. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 01:47, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Proposal that this list be re-organised into national order with disciplines within nations rather than the present form which is nations within disciplines. By doing this we can prepare more easily for the day when it is appropriate to break the list into a list per nation.
If the proposal is supported a matter for discussion is to merge the disciplines into a single table, with a further (sortable) column for discipline or to leave each discipline in a table of its own. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 07:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
More How we deal with the sexes of the athletes is open to discussion as well. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 08:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Gymnast | Country | Discipline |
---|---|---|
Jade Barbosa | Brazil | Artistic (female) |
Georgia Bonora | Australia | Artistic (female) |
Adam Buckingham | United Kingdom | Acrobat (male) |
Perhaps have dates of birth to make it a better finding aid. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear folks, generic lists like this one are boring. Users won't know the reasons why some gymnasts are included and other aren't. Plus, it provides very little information on the gymnasts.
I prefer more specific lists of people. Taking a few examples from other sports, see List of Formula One drivers and List of NASCAR drivers. Those lists show relevant results of the competitors, which can be sorted. I've done similar lists in the Spanish Wikipedia.
So, how about a similiar list based on List of Olympic medalists in gymnastics? The same could be done with World Artistic Gymnastics Championships, Artistic Gymnastics World Cup, European Women's Artistic Gymnastics Championships and Pan American Games competitors. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 15:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm growing concerned over the addition of a substantial number of genuine nonentity gymnasts. Many FIG records show simply that they exist, and that they have competed in nothing special, won nothing special. The is especially true of the Rhythmic discipline.
I believe that we need to take the clear view that there is no place for a redlinked person on this list unless they are genuinely notable, and simple do not, yet, have an individual article. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 09:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm aware that they prettify the article, but are they within policy? We need it to be self consistent. I've asked for clarification at the Village Pump's policy section Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 09:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I'm wondering, what exactly is supposed to be in the "Date" column? From the little bit of background I have done, they seem to mostly coincide with the date of birth for the gymnast. Is it supposed to be just their birthday, their lifespan (b-d), or the dates they are recognized for as a gymnast (which year/years they won an award or something)? Some clarification here would be helpful in the development of the new template/table/multi-page thing I am working on... Thanks. Technical 13 ( talk) 12:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
New to this article and a bit confused to see it is full of external links to sportcentric, most articles dont have external links shouldnt these be references. Not sure if the gymnast has a linked article it really needs a reference either. Oh and do you really need a link to FIG on every line. MilborneOne ( talk) 21:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I've shortened it a bit. I'm thinking of setting a width for the whole table, but you should get the idea of the data. I'm wondering if a "medals" column would be good? Technical 13 ( talk) 14:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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There are a couple gymnasts that I think should be on here but I don't know if they would be considered "notable" or not. Could we perhaps write a definition at the top clarifying what is considered a notable gymnasts or not? I think this would make it easier for readers to understand why these gymnasts made the list. I also think by doing this, it would make adding edits to the article easier. NotSaraEdmondson ( talk) 15:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Looks like this article has been tagged as Too Long. It might be worth splitting this into these separate articles (as the number of gymnasts keeps growing for all disciplines). The most straightforward split, I think, would be:
This page can then link to each split article. Mypurplelightsaber ( talk) 14:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)