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You forgot Levi. P. Morton, New York Governor [1895 to 1897] served as Vice-president of United States under Benjamin Harrison from 1889 to 1893. Jeffrey H. lynford 67.87.43.228 09:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Governor John A. Dix died in 1879. Why is he governor again between 1911 and 1912? -- Lst 27 23:52, 8 May 2004 (UTC) Because they were 2 different men...one's middle name was Adams & the other was Alden.
I've been running into date issues as I've built stub pages and/or added succession boxes for the Lt. Governors. In a few cases where these men have held offices other than Lt. Gov. dates overlap. For example, DeWitt Clinton is listed as serving as Mayor of New York City at the same time he was serving as Lt. Gov. (1811 - 1813). Although I think this one is accurate, more puzzling is Edward Livingston who is listed as serving as both Lt. Gov. and U.S. Secretary of State at the same time (1831-1833). To be certain this information is correct, all dates on this table need to be confirmed. It may be worth it to launch a project to verify the resumes of all people listed here to ensure date accuracy. If anyone is interested in this, leave a commenton my talk page. -- CPAScott 13:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I am showing that Edward J Livingston was US Secretary of State 1831-1833 and Edward P Livingston, great grandson of Robert Livingston was Lieutenant Governor 1831-1832.
Unless something unbeliveable happens in the next 48 hours, Spitzer is going to be elected governor (I mean, 70% in the latest polls?) So since somebody else started putting him in the bottom box, I decided to finish it and save you guys the trouble.
He's not yet, though, and you shouldn't predict...wikipedia isn't about predicting, it's about stating facts! Besides, people could be influenced by this false information when voting.
---along the lines of "prediction", i am watching CNN live right now as of 3/12/08 10:46EST -- and Spitzer is STILL Governor. He is not having a press conference until 11:30AM EST -- how could anyone actually update this article saying that he was governor until march 10 nd then Patterson took office March12 -- first off, that would me NY had no governor for 2 full days -- plus Spitzer has NOT RESIGNED YET!!!! —Preceding
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The Governor of New York and the other top officeholders in the state take the oath of office twice. Once at midnight, and once at noon on the first day of the year, as the old governor's term ends at the end of the previous year. So I've been changing the dates to end with even numbers.
Also, I made an interesting discovery. there was a special election for Lt. Governor in 1943. This, if true is entirely unique. As the job was technically vacant a number of times in recent years.
Please. Let's wait until March 17, 2008 before we list Spitzer as 'out of office' & Paterson as Governor. A lot could happen, between now & then. GoodDay ( talk) 18:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" under the current State Constitution (I don't know about earlier State Constitutions). If there's no Lieutenant Governor, the "temporary president of the senate" performs the duties, but does not hold the office, of Lieutenant Governor. Nobody in New York is referring to Joseph Bruno as "Acting Lieutenant Governor". Interpreting the "temporary president of the senate" to mean "Acting Lieutenant Governor" is original research. I'm not being picky. When it comes to gubernatorial succession, the "temporary president of the senate" is very different from the Lieutenant Governor. Also, it's disputed whether the "temporary president of the senate" can cast a tiebreaking vote in the State Senate, even though a Lieutenant Governor expressly has this authority. I have corrected the article to eliminate any reference to an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" past 1938. -- SMP0328. ( talk) 03:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This is an otherwise nice article, but why are there two different citation styles, each with their own citation list in different locations? I don't see a compelling reason to use a separate style from the standard {{reflist}}. -- Cmprince ( talk) 19:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Was there a governor's office in colonial New York? Who held it, if so? How were they appointed? The article for Governor Clinton says he was the first "elected" governor, not the first governor. MrZaius talk 03:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The state constitution of 1777 for New York is VERY clear that when there is a vacancy of Governor the Lt. Governor becomes ACTING governor and is NOT the governor. We should reflect that in the list. Tayler was never GOVERNOR, he was acting governor. They got it right on the wikipedia article on his life, it should be corrected here. On that article they also have a quote and explanation showing why he was not governor. Camelbinky ( talk) 00:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The fact that the intro says that the list includes acting governors who filled an entire term. Tayler and probably at least one other acting governor on the list in this article did not fill an entire term, they served a tiny bit of one term, just until a special election was held, not even a regularly scheduled election. The name of the article is "List of Governors of New York" it is not "List of Governors and Acting-Governors of New York". The state constitution is quite clear these people WERE NOT governors and "acting-governor" was not a TITLE, Tayler and others who filled this role simply did the job of the governor during a vacancy without ever recieving a title. The article on Tayler makes it clear he was never governor, he happened to do the governor's job during a vacancy. That is all. Acting governor was not a title he or others had, so it cant even be claimed that acting governor is a title that means the same thing, because he didnt have that title. There was a VACANCY, and that is what should be put in the table- Vacancy, duties performed by- . Instead of Tayler or someone else's name who happened to be performing duties. I can run my office while the boss is on vacation, sick, or dead, that doesnt mean that I was the boss of the company if my company picks a new official CEO a couple months later. Camelbinky ( talk) 22:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
can it be changed to reality? something like "New York State Governor" of "Governor of the State of New York"?-- 98.116.115.220 ( talk) 19:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Why are the governors numbered differently to the way we number presidents of the United States? For example, George Clinton is counted only as 1st governor, when he should be listed as 1st and 3rd. It looks especially strange when the article has a picture of Grover Cleveland, and the caption describes him as the 22nd and 24th president, but the list only counts governors who served multiple non-consecutive terms only once. If there is a reason for this, the article should explain it. If there is not, then we should change the numbering. Richard75 ( talk) 15:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Sheldon Silver was never Acting Lt. Gov. During the leadership crisis, he was for a short time recognized as the "next-in-line-of-succession" to the governorship while a lower court judge barred temporarily both Malcolm Smith and Pedro Espada. Being next-in-line does not make the Speaker Acting Lt. Gov. He remains the Speaker of the State Assembly! The Speaker would not preside over the State Senate or cast tie-breaking votes therein. The Speaker would become Acting Governor in case of a vacancy, but would continue to preside over the Assembly. I hope this clarifies the issue. Please do not add Silver to this list anymore. Kraxler ( talk) 19:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, these two men are the only N.Y. governors with no portrait ( see here). - AMK152( t • c) 05:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the distinction in content being made between this article and the Governor of New York article, as it applies to the lead paragraph and infobox. It does appear that much of the body of this article (the prose) is appropriate to this page, however the lead paragraph duplicates the aforementioned other article, and appears irrelevent to (or redundant on) this page, which is intended to speak about the lineage of individuals who have held the governor's post. The infobox also seems more appropriate on the Governor of New York article (and I have therefore added it there), as it is the page that illuminates the basic role and duties of the governor.
These two items combined, appearing on this page, might cause a reader to initially find it difficult to distinguish this article from the Governor of New York article. A good example of two articles that appropriately distinguish themselves from each other would be Governor of Massachusetts and List of Governors of Massachusetts. Perhaps starting the lead paragraph with "This is a list of Governors of New York" and going from there would help better articulate the distinct encyclopedic intentions of each article. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks! Sinisterminister ( talk) 08:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I quote: The "as of" technique is a method to deal with information that will date quickly. (my highlighting) The info "There are 5 former governors alive" is absolutely correct now, and it might not change for years. It had been updated in January, and then in April, I can't see anything quick here. On the other side, it does not say "As of April 2011, the incumbent is...", and this will change too some day, maybe before the death of one of the five. There is some inconsistency here, or not?
But I really don't care. I just thought that it looked better the other way. I fully comprehend that you are worried in a bureaucratic way, thinking that all your lists must have the same format, and the others might need to be changed, causing an unnecessary workload etc. Just forget it. Happy Easter! Kraxler ( talk) 02:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Martin Van Buren resigned on March 12, 1829. That's what the sources, which were published at the time of the event, say. See for example: The Annals of Albany published by Joel Munsell (Albany, 1855; pg. 183); I doubt that a local newspaper could err the date of an event like that. Or also: Edward M. Shepard's bio of Van Buren (1888), I doubt that somebody would publish a bio with a wrong date. Or Jabez D. Hammond's Political History of New York (1846), and the Biographical Directory of the United States Executive Branch. The alleged "source" which says March 5, is a modern copy-edit, which bases the date on the appointment as Secretary of State, or just copied the erroneous date from Wikipedia... Just think about it, back in 1829, Jackson appointed Van Buren as Secretary of State on March 5. How long the news would take to arrive at Albany, without telephone, telegraph or internet? By letter, on hoseback, a few days at least, and then Van Buren still took a few days to wrap up his governor's business to get ready to have it taken over by Throop. It's simple to understand, or isn't it? By the way, Van Buren was nominated on March 5, confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 6, and took office in Washington on March 28, as the Martin Van Buren Wikipedia article correctly informs. Kraxler ( talk) 10:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Skelos, Smith, and Espada were never Lieutenant Governors. What evidence or sources supported their inclusion? Jd2718 ( talk) 14:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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Moved as proposed. There is a clear policy-based consensus favoring the proposed set of moved. bd2412 T 02:44, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
– Wikipedia has a great problem with overcapitalization, going against its own Manual of Style ( WP:JOBTITLES), virtually every other style guide (e.g. Chicago Manual), and basic English orthography. The word "governors" is always a common noun and should not be capitalized. While Governor of New York is properly capitalized because it refers to a proper office or a specific holder of the office, List of governors of New York ought to be lower case because it does not refer to a proper office or a specific holder of the office. WP:JOBTITLES explains that whenever the name of a noun denoting an office, title, or position is in plural, it should be lower case, and that is based on the vast majority of other style manuals.
It is worth noting that the word "governors" is already lower case in articles such as Lists of United States governors, List of United States governors, List of current United States governors by age, List of female governors in the United States, List of U.S. state governors born outside the United States, and List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 04:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Style guides as a rule are all revisionist or hypercorrecting. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style is just a guideline, it doesn't even follow its own guidance (what's with the capital S?)ROTFLOL! Good one, SmokeyJoe! -- В²C ☎ 17:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
In the list of other offices held by Governors, Theodore Roosevelt is shown as having become Vice-President, which he did; six months or so after which he became PRESIDENT, when McKinley was assassinated. That fact should be incorporated in your list. It is a VERY good list throughout. Thanks. Katharine Wilson Conroy 47.22.137.78 ( talk) 19:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
The governor's term of office starts at midnight on 1 January and ends at the last second of 31 December (1 Jul/30 Jun before 1820). So the calculation of time in office should be inclusive of both of those dates. So (for example), Mario Cuomo and George Pataki both served 12 years 0 days in office, not 11 years 364 days. I don't think I have sufficient expertise to fix the coding in the table, but maybe somebody else could? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayZed ( talk • contribs) 09:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see how it's relevant to know the exact number of days someone spent in office, especially when so many are exactly 2 years. (and are, in fact, calculated incorrectly, since the template can only subtract days but has no knowledge of the midnight-to-midnight posting) The ones that served less are easily noted by election column and the why-the-left bit which I'm working on adding in a moment. So I won't push on this at this moment, but when I get these other columns up to snuff I would like to revisit the time-in-office bit. -- Golbez ( talk) 19:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Should that be mentioned in the lede as it mentions that David Paterson was the state's first African-American and legally blind governor?
ab: ^ Cuomo resigned due to allegations of sexual harassment.[6]
Due to should be because of, which is correct grammar and usage. Of course, I'm just an anonymous contributor and will defer to the official Wikipedia editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.85.24 ( talk) 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
the same result can be achieved by the reader by sorting the correct column of the List of governors of New York page. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC) - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the midnight thing started? The article presently says early terms ended June 30 and the next term began July 1, but that's not backed up by anything, and I think whoever did that assumed the midnight rule applied back then. I'm right now operating on the assumption that it started mattering when they went to a January 1 inauguration, but if anyone has any hard info that'd be great. -- Golbez ( talk) 03:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
All modern sources say that Reuben Fenton took office on January 1, 1865. I even found a source from as far back as 1910 saying this: [1] --- except, wait a second. That source says "Monday, January 1, 1865". January 1, 1865 was a Sunday. And I think this mistake has been repeated forever, because every contemporary news source I've found on newspapers.com says he was inaugurated at noon on Monday, January 2 (example: [2]) And from what I can tell, the constitution in effect at the time did not specify the start date of the term, so unless someone can find some source that says that, by law, the governor-elect became governor on Janaury 1 automatically, then I think we need to shift Reuben Fenton's start date to January 2. -- Golbez ( talk) 05:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Ok, more on the midnight stuff:
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I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts or other evidence on this. I tried googling around for "new york governor midnight" to see if there was a particular history or reasoning but Hochul's recent inauguration crowded out all results. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
To put into short terms: What's really messing this up is the constitution never specifies when a term begins, only when it ends. In most cases I've seen, when a successor is delayed in taking office, the predecessor stays on until they've done so, which implies that we should only include midnight changeovers when they were explicitly so. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The new table largely recreated the main table, listing names, terms, parties, and sources, while adding a single new datapoint of length of term. This is a lot of effort for a single datapoint. And my personal feeling is, it's not an important datapoint. It doesn't really add anything to an understanding of the subject beyond what the main table does. But I don't own the article, so I'm simply making my argument. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
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You forgot Levi. P. Morton, New York Governor [1895 to 1897] served as Vice-president of United States under Benjamin Harrison from 1889 to 1893. Jeffrey H. lynford 67.87.43.228 09:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Governor John A. Dix died in 1879. Why is he governor again between 1911 and 1912? -- Lst 27 23:52, 8 May 2004 (UTC) Because they were 2 different men...one's middle name was Adams & the other was Alden.
I've been running into date issues as I've built stub pages and/or added succession boxes for the Lt. Governors. In a few cases where these men have held offices other than Lt. Gov. dates overlap. For example, DeWitt Clinton is listed as serving as Mayor of New York City at the same time he was serving as Lt. Gov. (1811 - 1813). Although I think this one is accurate, more puzzling is Edward Livingston who is listed as serving as both Lt. Gov. and U.S. Secretary of State at the same time (1831-1833). To be certain this information is correct, all dates on this table need to be confirmed. It may be worth it to launch a project to verify the resumes of all people listed here to ensure date accuracy. If anyone is interested in this, leave a commenton my talk page. -- CPAScott 13:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I am showing that Edward J Livingston was US Secretary of State 1831-1833 and Edward P Livingston, great grandson of Robert Livingston was Lieutenant Governor 1831-1832.
Unless something unbeliveable happens in the next 48 hours, Spitzer is going to be elected governor (I mean, 70% in the latest polls?) So since somebody else started putting him in the bottom box, I decided to finish it and save you guys the trouble.
He's not yet, though, and you shouldn't predict...wikipedia isn't about predicting, it's about stating facts! Besides, people could be influenced by this false information when voting.
---along the lines of "prediction", i am watching CNN live right now as of 3/12/08 10:46EST -- and Spitzer is STILL Governor. He is not having a press conference until 11:30AM EST -- how could anyone actually update this article saying that he was governor until march 10 nd then Patterson took office March12 -- first off, that would me NY had no governor for 2 full days -- plus Spitzer has NOT RESIGNED YET!!!! —Preceding
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The Governor of New York and the other top officeholders in the state take the oath of office twice. Once at midnight, and once at noon on the first day of the year, as the old governor's term ends at the end of the previous year. So I've been changing the dates to end with even numbers.
Also, I made an interesting discovery. there was a special election for Lt. Governor in 1943. This, if true is entirely unique. As the job was technically vacant a number of times in recent years.
Please. Let's wait until March 17, 2008 before we list Spitzer as 'out of office' & Paterson as Governor. A lot could happen, between now & then. GoodDay ( talk) 18:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" under the current State Constitution (I don't know about earlier State Constitutions). If there's no Lieutenant Governor, the "temporary president of the senate" performs the duties, but does not hold the office, of Lieutenant Governor. Nobody in New York is referring to Joseph Bruno as "Acting Lieutenant Governor". Interpreting the "temporary president of the senate" to mean "Acting Lieutenant Governor" is original research. I'm not being picky. When it comes to gubernatorial succession, the "temporary president of the senate" is very different from the Lieutenant Governor. Also, it's disputed whether the "temporary president of the senate" can cast a tiebreaking vote in the State Senate, even though a Lieutenant Governor expressly has this authority. I have corrected the article to eliminate any reference to an "Acting Lieutenant Governor" past 1938. -- SMP0328. ( talk) 03:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This is an otherwise nice article, but why are there two different citation styles, each with their own citation list in different locations? I don't see a compelling reason to use a separate style from the standard {{reflist}}. -- Cmprince ( talk) 19:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Was there a governor's office in colonial New York? Who held it, if so? How were they appointed? The article for Governor Clinton says he was the first "elected" governor, not the first governor. MrZaius talk 03:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The state constitution of 1777 for New York is VERY clear that when there is a vacancy of Governor the Lt. Governor becomes ACTING governor and is NOT the governor. We should reflect that in the list. Tayler was never GOVERNOR, he was acting governor. They got it right on the wikipedia article on his life, it should be corrected here. On that article they also have a quote and explanation showing why he was not governor. Camelbinky ( talk) 00:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The fact that the intro says that the list includes acting governors who filled an entire term. Tayler and probably at least one other acting governor on the list in this article did not fill an entire term, they served a tiny bit of one term, just until a special election was held, not even a regularly scheduled election. The name of the article is "List of Governors of New York" it is not "List of Governors and Acting-Governors of New York". The state constitution is quite clear these people WERE NOT governors and "acting-governor" was not a TITLE, Tayler and others who filled this role simply did the job of the governor during a vacancy without ever recieving a title. The article on Tayler makes it clear he was never governor, he happened to do the governor's job during a vacancy. That is all. Acting governor was not a title he or others had, so it cant even be claimed that acting governor is a title that means the same thing, because he didnt have that title. There was a VACANCY, and that is what should be put in the table- Vacancy, duties performed by- . Instead of Tayler or someone else's name who happened to be performing duties. I can run my office while the boss is on vacation, sick, or dead, that doesnt mean that I was the boss of the company if my company picks a new official CEO a couple months later. Camelbinky ( talk) 22:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
can it be changed to reality? something like "New York State Governor" of "Governor of the State of New York"?-- 98.116.115.220 ( talk) 19:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Why are the governors numbered differently to the way we number presidents of the United States? For example, George Clinton is counted only as 1st governor, when he should be listed as 1st and 3rd. It looks especially strange when the article has a picture of Grover Cleveland, and the caption describes him as the 22nd and 24th president, but the list only counts governors who served multiple non-consecutive terms only once. If there is a reason for this, the article should explain it. If there is not, then we should change the numbering. Richard75 ( talk) 15:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Sheldon Silver was never Acting Lt. Gov. During the leadership crisis, he was for a short time recognized as the "next-in-line-of-succession" to the governorship while a lower court judge barred temporarily both Malcolm Smith and Pedro Espada. Being next-in-line does not make the Speaker Acting Lt. Gov. He remains the Speaker of the State Assembly! The Speaker would not preside over the State Senate or cast tie-breaking votes therein. The Speaker would become Acting Governor in case of a vacancy, but would continue to preside over the Assembly. I hope this clarifies the issue. Please do not add Silver to this list anymore. Kraxler ( talk) 19:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, these two men are the only N.Y. governors with no portrait ( see here). - AMK152( t • c) 05:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the distinction in content being made between this article and the Governor of New York article, as it applies to the lead paragraph and infobox. It does appear that much of the body of this article (the prose) is appropriate to this page, however the lead paragraph duplicates the aforementioned other article, and appears irrelevent to (or redundant on) this page, which is intended to speak about the lineage of individuals who have held the governor's post. The infobox also seems more appropriate on the Governor of New York article (and I have therefore added it there), as it is the page that illuminates the basic role and duties of the governor.
These two items combined, appearing on this page, might cause a reader to initially find it difficult to distinguish this article from the Governor of New York article. A good example of two articles that appropriately distinguish themselves from each other would be Governor of Massachusetts and List of Governors of Massachusetts. Perhaps starting the lead paragraph with "This is a list of Governors of New York" and going from there would help better articulate the distinct encyclopedic intentions of each article. Please let me know what you all think. Thanks! Sinisterminister ( talk) 08:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I quote: The "as of" technique is a method to deal with information that will date quickly. (my highlighting) The info "There are 5 former governors alive" is absolutely correct now, and it might not change for years. It had been updated in January, and then in April, I can't see anything quick here. On the other side, it does not say "As of April 2011, the incumbent is...", and this will change too some day, maybe before the death of one of the five. There is some inconsistency here, or not?
But I really don't care. I just thought that it looked better the other way. I fully comprehend that you are worried in a bureaucratic way, thinking that all your lists must have the same format, and the others might need to be changed, causing an unnecessary workload etc. Just forget it. Happy Easter! Kraxler ( talk) 02:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Martin Van Buren resigned on March 12, 1829. That's what the sources, which were published at the time of the event, say. See for example: The Annals of Albany published by Joel Munsell (Albany, 1855; pg. 183); I doubt that a local newspaper could err the date of an event like that. Or also: Edward M. Shepard's bio of Van Buren (1888), I doubt that somebody would publish a bio with a wrong date. Or Jabez D. Hammond's Political History of New York (1846), and the Biographical Directory of the United States Executive Branch. The alleged "source" which says March 5, is a modern copy-edit, which bases the date on the appointment as Secretary of State, or just copied the erroneous date from Wikipedia... Just think about it, back in 1829, Jackson appointed Van Buren as Secretary of State on March 5. How long the news would take to arrive at Albany, without telephone, telegraph or internet? By letter, on hoseback, a few days at least, and then Van Buren still took a few days to wrap up his governor's business to get ready to have it taken over by Throop. It's simple to understand, or isn't it? By the way, Van Buren was nominated on March 5, confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 6, and took office in Washington on March 28, as the Martin Van Buren Wikipedia article correctly informs. Kraxler ( talk) 10:25, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Skelos, Smith, and Espada were never Lieutenant Governors. What evidence or sources supported their inclusion? Jd2718 ( talk) 14:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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Moved as proposed. There is a clear policy-based consensus favoring the proposed set of moved. bd2412 T 02:44, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
– Wikipedia has a great problem with overcapitalization, going against its own Manual of Style ( WP:JOBTITLES), virtually every other style guide (e.g. Chicago Manual), and basic English orthography. The word "governors" is always a common noun and should not be capitalized. While Governor of New York is properly capitalized because it refers to a proper office or a specific holder of the office, List of governors of New York ought to be lower case because it does not refer to a proper office or a specific holder of the office. WP:JOBTITLES explains that whenever the name of a noun denoting an office, title, or position is in plural, it should be lower case, and that is based on the vast majority of other style manuals.
It is worth noting that the word "governors" is already lower case in articles such as Lists of United States governors, List of United States governors, List of current United States governors by age, List of female governors in the United States, List of U.S. state governors born outside the United States, and List of minority governors and lieutenant governors in the United States. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 04:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Style guides as a rule are all revisionist or hypercorrecting. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style is just a guideline, it doesn't even follow its own guidance (what's with the capital S?)ROTFLOL! Good one, SmokeyJoe! -- В²C ☎ 17:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
In the list of other offices held by Governors, Theodore Roosevelt is shown as having become Vice-President, which he did; six months or so after which he became PRESIDENT, when McKinley was assassinated. That fact should be incorporated in your list. It is a VERY good list throughout. Thanks. Katharine Wilson Conroy 47.22.137.78 ( talk) 19:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
The governor's term of office starts at midnight on 1 January and ends at the last second of 31 December (1 Jul/30 Jun before 1820). So the calculation of time in office should be inclusive of both of those dates. So (for example), Mario Cuomo and George Pataki both served 12 years 0 days in office, not 11 years 364 days. I don't think I have sufficient expertise to fix the coding in the table, but maybe somebody else could? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayZed ( talk • contribs) 09:55, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see how it's relevant to know the exact number of days someone spent in office, especially when so many are exactly 2 years. (and are, in fact, calculated incorrectly, since the template can only subtract days but has no knowledge of the midnight-to-midnight posting) The ones that served less are easily noted by election column and the why-the-left bit which I'm working on adding in a moment. So I won't push on this at this moment, but when I get these other columns up to snuff I would like to revisit the time-in-office bit. -- Golbez ( talk) 19:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Should that be mentioned in the lede as it mentions that David Paterson was the state's first African-American and legally blind governor?
ab: ^ Cuomo resigned due to allegations of sexual harassment.[6]
Due to should be because of, which is correct grammar and usage. Of course, I'm just an anonymous contributor and will defer to the official Wikipedia editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.85.24 ( talk) 01:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
the same result can be achieved by the reader by sorting the correct column of the List of governors of New York page. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC) - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the midnight thing started? The article presently says early terms ended June 30 and the next term began July 1, but that's not backed up by anything, and I think whoever did that assumed the midnight rule applied back then. I'm right now operating on the assumption that it started mattering when they went to a January 1 inauguration, but if anyone has any hard info that'd be great. -- Golbez ( talk) 03:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
All modern sources say that Reuben Fenton took office on January 1, 1865. I even found a source from as far back as 1910 saying this: [1] --- except, wait a second. That source says "Monday, January 1, 1865". January 1, 1865 was a Sunday. And I think this mistake has been repeated forever, because every contemporary news source I've found on newspapers.com says he was inaugurated at noon on Monday, January 2 (example: [2]) And from what I can tell, the constitution in effect at the time did not specify the start date of the term, so unless someone can find some source that says that, by law, the governor-elect became governor on Janaury 1 automatically, then I think we need to shift Reuben Fenton's start date to January 2. -- Golbez ( talk) 05:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Ok, more on the midnight stuff:
But,
I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts or other evidence on this. I tried googling around for "new york governor midnight" to see if there was a particular history or reasoning but Hochul's recent inauguration crowded out all results. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
To put into short terms: What's really messing this up is the constitution never specifies when a term begins, only when it ends. In most cases I've seen, when a successor is delayed in taking office, the predecessor stays on until they've done so, which implies that we should only include midnight changeovers when they were explicitly so. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The new table largely recreated the main table, listing names, terms, parties, and sources, while adding a single new datapoint of length of term. This is a lot of effort for a single datapoint. And my personal feeling is, it's not an important datapoint. It doesn't really add anything to an understanding of the subject beyond what the main table does. But I don't own the article, so I'm simply making my argument. -- Golbez ( talk) 15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)