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@ Davidgoodheart: There seems to either be a confusion between the two or an attempt to purposely make the two interchangeable, which is not the case. Fugitive criminals are not disappeared; they are just in hiding. Law enforcement may have information on where they could possibly be (usually based on tips, connections, or information they've gathered in their cases). When someone is considered "disappeared", that's because law enforcement believes the person may have been a victim of either foul play (i.e. kidnapped and killed by someone) or because they absolutely don't have any information about the person. But I have yet to find a source that uses both "fugitive" and "disappeared" interchangeably. I don't know most of the criminals in this list so I cannot comment on them, but Osama bin Laden should definitely not be here. He was a fugitive, and U.S. authorities had spotty information on his whereabouts for years. I don't think there was a source that ever declared him as "disappeared". This list may possibly have to be amended completely. MX ( ✉ • ✎) 14:17, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@ MX: Hi, as far as I know being in hiding is a disappearance and here is a source saying that a fugitive who you have removed went into hiding 'The narco of narcos' Rafael Caro Quintero now on Top 10 Most Wanted list. Both of the fugitives who I added are wanted by the police. If the person is wanted by the police that means that their whereabouts is unknown which means that they are probably hiding. The other person who I added is currently wanted by the police. You may be right, but I will have to study this further. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 20:43, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Akld guy: Terrific! Like I said if they are wanted by the police their whereabouts is unknown, so this means they disappeared. What I said made sense after all. Thank you Akld guy for seeing it this way. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 23:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
I noticed Jack The Ripper and D.B Cooper are listed as a fugitives who disappeared. However, as they were never positively identified, they seem to stick out like sore thumbs compared to the rest on the list. I won't delete them, but I thought I would address this issue at the very least. TRUEandHONESTuser ( talk) 16:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
What if unidentified individuals on this list had their own section? You know, like how there's the " Fugitives from justice who are no longer sought" section. I think it would be a great idea! It could be called "Unidentified Fugitives" or something along those lines. If anyone likes my proposal, please let me know. Thank you! -- TRUEandHONESTuser ( talk) 13:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
When listing each fugitives country: are we listing the country they were born in or the country they are a fugitive from? For example: Alexis Flores and Bhadreshkumar Chetanbhai Patel currently have the United States list as their country - which is the country they committed the crime in and is the country they are wanted in. However, Flores is from Honduras and Patel is from India. So what country should be listed in this article? Inexpiable ( talk) 22:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Given the language used in the description, specifically, "people who disappeared or evaded capture while being sought by law enforcement agencies", I would think it most appropriate to reference the country seeking apprehension Kilgoresparrot ( talk) 08:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
this really should not be here. A DNA contamination of several crime sites is neither a fugitive nor a disappeared criminal.
Why was this page re-combined. The page is now over 600,000 bytes! I noticed there was a deletion nomination, but now this article needs to be split AGAIN! I really hope somebody sees this because half of these requests end up getting ignored. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) ( contribs) 19:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Graziano Mesina was arrested in december 2021 in Desulo, Sardinia. You might want to remove the entry. Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.103.24 ( talk) 18:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is the entry still in the table? I see it was heavily edited after his arrest, but shouldn't it be removed?-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
The question I pose is simple: Should the Hong Kong political activists wanted in Hong Kong ( Sunny Cheung and Ted Hui) be removed from the list?
I argue that they should be removed. This list is mostly murderers, fraudsters, and terrorists, and it seems odd that these two people have been added, since the crimes they are accused of in Hong Kong are actually rather mild. If they are added, then it makes sense that hundreds of other political asylum-seekers (not just those pertaining to China, but to Russia, etc. as well) would also be added to the list. I feel that this detracts from what the focus of this list is, which is listing notorious criminals, not political refugees.
NateNate60 ( talk) 04:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Were there just no fugitives who escaped during this decade...? Across the whole earth? EmilySarah99 ( talk) 05:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I think Jack the Ripper should be listed here, unless someone can explain why not. Kidsrock91 ( talk) 17:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
The list contains five prisoners of war who escaped during the aftermath of a train wreck. Are POWs actually "fugitives from justice"? Joyous! Noise! 17:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
I removed his name because sources in his main article say that he was released from Israeli prison. His whereabouts seem to be unknown, but it's not like he's fleeing from justice, at least for this crime. Joyous! Noise! 21:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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@ Davidgoodheart: There seems to either be a confusion between the two or an attempt to purposely make the two interchangeable, which is not the case. Fugitive criminals are not disappeared; they are just in hiding. Law enforcement may have information on where they could possibly be (usually based on tips, connections, or information they've gathered in their cases). When someone is considered "disappeared", that's because law enforcement believes the person may have been a victim of either foul play (i.e. kidnapped and killed by someone) or because they absolutely don't have any information about the person. But I have yet to find a source that uses both "fugitive" and "disappeared" interchangeably. I don't know most of the criminals in this list so I cannot comment on them, but Osama bin Laden should definitely not be here. He was a fugitive, and U.S. authorities had spotty information on his whereabouts for years. I don't think there was a source that ever declared him as "disappeared". This list may possibly have to be amended completely. MX ( ✉ • ✎) 14:17, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@ MX: Hi, as far as I know being in hiding is a disappearance and here is a source saying that a fugitive who you have removed went into hiding 'The narco of narcos' Rafael Caro Quintero now on Top 10 Most Wanted list. Both of the fugitives who I added are wanted by the police. If the person is wanted by the police that means that their whereabouts is unknown which means that they are probably hiding. The other person who I added is currently wanted by the police. You may be right, but I will have to study this further. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 20:43, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Akld guy: Terrific! Like I said if they are wanted by the police their whereabouts is unknown, so this means they disappeared. What I said made sense after all. Thank you Akld guy for seeing it this way. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 23:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
I noticed Jack The Ripper and D.B Cooper are listed as a fugitives who disappeared. However, as they were never positively identified, they seem to stick out like sore thumbs compared to the rest on the list. I won't delete them, but I thought I would address this issue at the very least. TRUEandHONESTuser ( talk) 16:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
What if unidentified individuals on this list had their own section? You know, like how there's the " Fugitives from justice who are no longer sought" section. I think it would be a great idea! It could be called "Unidentified Fugitives" or something along those lines. If anyone likes my proposal, please let me know. Thank you! -- TRUEandHONESTuser ( talk) 13:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
When listing each fugitives country: are we listing the country they were born in or the country they are a fugitive from? For example: Alexis Flores and Bhadreshkumar Chetanbhai Patel currently have the United States list as their country - which is the country they committed the crime in and is the country they are wanted in. However, Flores is from Honduras and Patel is from India. So what country should be listed in this article? Inexpiable ( talk) 22:31, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Given the language used in the description, specifically, "people who disappeared or evaded capture while being sought by law enforcement agencies", I would think it most appropriate to reference the country seeking apprehension Kilgoresparrot ( talk) 08:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
this really should not be here. A DNA contamination of several crime sites is neither a fugitive nor a disappeared criminal.
Why was this page re-combined. The page is now over 600,000 bytes! I noticed there was a deletion nomination, but now this article needs to be split AGAIN! I really hope somebody sees this because half of these requests end up getting ignored. Blubabluba9990 ( talk) ( contribs) 19:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Graziano Mesina was arrested in december 2021 in Desulo, Sardinia. You might want to remove the entry. Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.103.24 ( talk) 18:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is the entry still in the table? I see it was heavily edited after his arrest, but shouldn't it be removed?-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
The question I pose is simple: Should the Hong Kong political activists wanted in Hong Kong ( Sunny Cheung and Ted Hui) be removed from the list?
I argue that they should be removed. This list is mostly murderers, fraudsters, and terrorists, and it seems odd that these two people have been added, since the crimes they are accused of in Hong Kong are actually rather mild. If they are added, then it makes sense that hundreds of other political asylum-seekers (not just those pertaining to China, but to Russia, etc. as well) would also be added to the list. I feel that this detracts from what the focus of this list is, which is listing notorious criminals, not political refugees.
NateNate60 ( talk) 04:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Were there just no fugitives who escaped during this decade...? Across the whole earth? EmilySarah99 ( talk) 05:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I think Jack the Ripper should be listed here, unless someone can explain why not. Kidsrock91 ( talk) 17:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
The list contains five prisoners of war who escaped during the aftermath of a train wreck. Are POWs actually "fugitives from justice"? Joyous! Noise! 17:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
I removed his name because sources in his main article say that he was released from Israeli prison. His whereabouts seem to be unknown, but it's not like he's fleeing from justice, at least for this crime. Joyous! Noise! 21:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)