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Responding to a revert: Although North Korean media initially claimed that Miller shredded his passport and requested asylum, during his hearing the prosecutors reversed themselves. They now say that the asylum bid was a ruse, and that Miller's real intention was to commit 'hostile acts', which might include attempting to report on the country's human rights situation. TheBlueCanoe 00:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
For the "likely reason for detention" column, I'm not sure that it is sensible to simply repeat what North Korean authorities allege verbatim. Saying that someone was detained for "committing a crime" or "hostile acts" is meaningless and unspecific. We are able to use our judgment as editors and give concise summaries without resorting to quotes. – Zntrip 02:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Please correct either the lemma or the text. -- 141.87.216.106 ( talk) 08:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure this page is worthwhile. When it was created in 2014 there was a view that North Korea was collecting American prisoners, and there was speculation that they were going to be used as bargaining chips. This has proved false. The exclusion of non-Americans such as Australian John Short (missionary) seems arbitrary.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Page has been moved. Now to begin the task of expanding the list accordingly... TheBlueCanoe 01:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
See this.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Are they holding no known South Koreans? Tom W ( talk) 18:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
The list of Koreans that has been added since contained an error: A Korean (김정욱) was listed twice with two different Romanizations. The difference in "date of detention" in that list was the difference from his real detention (disappearance from the public/no contact to friends etc.) and the date NK made his detention public.
-- Helmut w.k. ( talk) 03:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I have corrected the details for Sandra Suh, which had somehow been mixed up with those of Hyeon Soo Lim. But as Suh was apparently not detained but deported, does she really belong in this list anyway?-- Muzilon ( talk) 10:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The media is reporting that the three Korean-Americans have been released. If this is true, their biographies will need updating.-- Muzilon ( talk) 00:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the "likely" from the "reason for detention" header. Quotations from North Korea are not necessarily likely. In fact, many learned commentators consider North Korea's reasons to be unlikely. But we can agree they are reasons, even if they are only purported reasons or speculated reasons.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
The fact that Warmbier died after being released is not a reason for his detention. Is it possible to make this a footnote or locate it somewhere else.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to fit this into the tables. [4]-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it too soon to include Travis King as we don't know for sure he's detained yet? Jack Upland ( talk) 03:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
There seems to be an edit war as to whether King should be included here or not. At any rate, I have added the date he was expelled from N. Korea. Muzilon ( talk) 01:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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Responding to a revert: Although North Korean media initially claimed that Miller shredded his passport and requested asylum, during his hearing the prosecutors reversed themselves. They now say that the asylum bid was a ruse, and that Miller's real intention was to commit 'hostile acts', which might include attempting to report on the country's human rights situation. TheBlueCanoe 00:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
For the "likely reason for detention" column, I'm not sure that it is sensible to simply repeat what North Korean authorities allege verbatim. Saying that someone was detained for "committing a crime" or "hostile acts" is meaningless and unspecific. We are able to use our judgment as editors and give concise summaries without resorting to quotes. – Zntrip 02:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Please correct either the lemma or the text. -- 141.87.216.106 ( talk) 08:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure this page is worthwhile. When it was created in 2014 there was a view that North Korea was collecting American prisoners, and there was speculation that they were going to be used as bargaining chips. This has proved false. The exclusion of non-Americans such as Australian John Short (missionary) seems arbitrary.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Page has been moved. Now to begin the task of expanding the list accordingly... TheBlueCanoe 01:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
See this.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:39, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Are they holding no known South Koreans? Tom W ( talk) 18:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
The list of Koreans that has been added since contained an error: A Korean (김정욱) was listed twice with two different Romanizations. The difference in "date of detention" in that list was the difference from his real detention (disappearance from the public/no contact to friends etc.) and the date NK made his detention public.
-- Helmut w.k. ( talk) 03:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
I have corrected the details for Sandra Suh, which had somehow been mixed up with those of Hyeon Soo Lim. But as Suh was apparently not detained but deported, does she really belong in this list anyway?-- Muzilon ( talk) 10:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
The media is reporting that the three Korean-Americans have been released. If this is true, their biographies will need updating.-- Muzilon ( talk) 00:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the "likely" from the "reason for detention" header. Quotations from North Korea are not necessarily likely. In fact, many learned commentators consider North Korea's reasons to be unlikely. But we can agree they are reasons, even if they are only purported reasons or speculated reasons.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
The fact that Warmbier died after being released is not a reason for his detention. Is it possible to make this a footnote or locate it somewhere else.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to fit this into the tables. [4]-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it too soon to include Travis King as we don't know for sure he's detained yet? Jack Upland ( talk) 03:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
There seems to be an edit war as to whether King should be included here or not. At any rate, I have added the date he was expelled from N. Korea. Muzilon ( talk) 01:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)