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These two classic British sitcoms are listed as being in the same universe in the TV section, but I can't establish that they share any characters or scenarios at all. I'm intrigued what justifies their collective inclusion? Coop ( talk) 13:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
If and when anyone feels up to it, the list could probably be split into two sections (one for TV, one for Film) Ncboy2010 ( talk) 15:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Another section could be added for mutimedia? Ashleighhhh ( talk) 22:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Just because a show contains fictional characters and fictional storylines does not mean it is set in a fictional universe. Most stories ever writtena re set in the universe. dictionary.com defines universe as:
u·ni·verse [yoo-nuh-vurs] Show IPA noun 1. the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm. 2. the whole world, especially with reference to humanity: a truth known throughout the universe. 3. a world or sphere in which something exists or prevails: his private universe. 4. Also called universe of discourse. Logic. the aggregate of all the objects, attributes, and relations assumed or implied in a given discussion. 5. Also called universal set. Mathematics . the set of all elements under discussion for a given problem.
So, having millions of "fictional universes" is wrong on multiple levels.
Even so, given a well-known example. In Star Trek(TOS) a remark was made that NASA's first shuttle was called 'Enterprise'. This was of course before NASA even had a shuttle. In the 70's NASA prepared to send their first shuttle into space. Only it wasn't going to be called 'Enterprise'. Trek fans wrote countless thousands of letters, some rather frantic, to NASA asking/requesting/demanding that the shuttle be renamed 'Enterprise', which it was. Now, if Star Trek was supposed to be set in a "fictional universe" called "the Star Trek Universe", why would it have mattered that NASA's shuttle and the one mentioned in TOS had different names? Why do fans come up with theories stating that the various conflicts ion the 1990's were actually part of a worldwide struggle led by the behind-the-scenes manipulator Khan Noonien Singh, and the truth about this War will only be revealed when documents are declassified later this century? Again, if Trek was always supposed to be set in a "fictional universe", what difference would it make?.....Why also would Doctor Who create a story of pure continuity like Attack of the Cybermen? In case you didn't know. the 1966 Doctor Who story The Tenth Planet had Earth being invaded, very visibly and shown on television, by Cybermen in 1986(then 20 years in the future). However, the 1985 story Attack of the Cybermen has time travellers effectively removing the 1986 invasion from history a year before it happens. Why go to that level of continuity if the 1986 shown in The Tenth Planet was always supposed to be taking place in a "fictional universe" called "the Doctor Who Universe" or the even-more-nausea-inducing "the Whoniverse"?
The fact is, certain shows, comics, franchises etc. may well deliberately state that their stories are taking place in "fictional universes". However, that most certainly does not mean that all fiction takes place in these "fictional universes". This article is completely unsourced, and features enormous OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.49.148 ( talk) 06:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The given reference is absurd. In the Doctor Who universe, a spaceship crashed into London, and aliens kill the Prime Minister. Two different fictional characters occupy the position, including an evil alien. Multiple things that have happened and not been redacted by time travel have appeared throughout the series. Yes, certain events have been brought into line with reality. But a lot of things haven't.
I think for the purposes of this article, if it's to exist at all, it should refer strictly to universes in which multiple stories occur. Like, Doctor Who has Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood, numerous books, radio, etc. That's plausibly an entire 'universe' existing outside our own. I'm not sure the same can be said for Fringe or Carnivale - although the world is different, it's really more of a fictional setting. 08:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.246.28 ( talk) No, what is "absurd" is your interpretation. Doctor Who (1963-1989) and Doctor Who (2005-) are two totally separate entities. No one denies that the 2005- series espouses the "Whoniverse" concept, but that was definitely not the case for the original series. In fact, pretty much NO television series of that time thought in that way. It is surreal that MODERN television viewers just assume that tv shows that were produced before they were even born used this mindset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.86.143.140 ( talk) 09:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
A possible addition to the television could be the universes that were made and are official canon for multiple Disney Channel and Disney XD shows. More information on the universe can be read here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batman3095 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm confused, why is Star Trek listed as a shared universe? all of the Star Trek shows are spun off of the classic show they all have too take place in the same universe (or alternate timelines), a shared universe is two UNRELATED (non-spinoff) shows that are linked right? (MacGyver and Hawaii 5-0 are two non-spin off shows in the same universe). 149.101.1.117 ( talk) 19:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Should Star Trek and Star Wars really be on the list? This is about shared universes...the two series are wholly self-contained, even if both are absolutely enormous in scope.
Star Trek comes fairly close to having true spin-offs, with Assignment: Earth being an unrealized backdoor pilot, Andromeda being originally planned after the fall of the Federation in the early design stages before this was scrapped, while Earth: Final Conflict was always completely distinct.
Star Wars doesn't even have this...it has no ties to Lucas' other works and all spin-offs of any caliber bear the Star Wars name.
I'm hesitant to delete without discussion, but my opinion is to delete these entries. I'd like to get the thoughts of others just so those who keep adding these have somewhere to be directed to when their submissions are removed. -- sarysa ( talk) 18:44, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand why there is a notes section at all, as there is already a notes column in the table. It greatly damages the article's readability, while more often than not the notes would not add lines to the row if placed in the notes column. I would like to merge the notes section back into the notes column of the table, but would prefer to get others' approval first...given how stark a change it would be. -- sarysa ( talk) 18:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
This is mainly directed @ Rreemmett: but I welcome other responses. First of all, I'm not a troll and I have been on Wikipedia since 2005. I trying to avoid edit warring so we need to discuss these two here. As far as I can see, Wizarding World and X-Men Film (aka FOX Marvel) qualify as shared universes. The definition given in the section is "two or more", but two or more of what? Decentralized works with differing focus that are ultimately tied together.
Star Trek isn't a shared universe because all canon works share not only the name but also the general scope of Earth-centric organizations tied together. (United Earth, Starfleet, The Federation) If the Gary Seven spinoff were approved, it would then qualify as a shared universe. Similarly, Star Wars isn't a shared universe because it's united around the name as well as the struggles between the Republic/Empire, the resistance, Jedi, and Sith.
Now let's look at Wizarding World. Harry Potter's focus is on Harry Potter and to a lesser extent Hogwarts. Fantastic Beasts is set in the same universe, but has a drastically different focus...the only tie to Hogwarts being a loose one involving the protagonist's future writings. These are two distinct franchises with loose ties in the same universe.
Deadpool being distinct enough from X-Men is a bit more debatable, as it was originally conceived in the 90's as an X-Men spinoff in the comics. The other likely point of contention is the first film having X-Men characters later on. The key here is the focus: Deadpool is set in a world where the X-Men exist, but the primary focus is on Deadpool. Their presence in his film is more of an afterthought, and it may even clash somewhat with the X-Men film series canon to service the film's focus, which again is Deadpool. In my opinion, these differences in focus distinguish Deadpool and X-Men as two distinct franchises set in the same universe.
I frankly don't see why you keep removing these two. Please justify your doing so. -- sarysa ( talk) 16:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
[outdent] Quote: A shared universe or shared world is a set of creative works where more than one writer (or other artist) independently contributes a work that can stand alone but fits into the joint development of the storyline, characters, or world of the overall project. It is common in genres like science fiction. It differs from collaborative writing where multiple artists are working together on the same work and from crossovers where the works and characters are independent except for a single meeting. The term shared universe is also used within comics to reflect the overall milieu created by the comic book publisher in which characters, events, and premises from one product line appear in other product lines in a media franchise.
That is the cited definition of a shared universe, which conflicts with your definition. Serendi pod ous 15:14, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Should Sony's Marvel Universe be considered a shared universe? i tried to add it a couple times but it keeps getting removed.
Would Moon (2009) and Mute (2018) fit the requirements for shared universe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.46.177 ( talk) 18:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Not a single one of the examples on this list has a source. I removed over 10 so called "shared universes" that aren't actually what would be considered shared universes, having a single spin-off or a differently named sequel/prequel is not what most would describe as a "shared universe", this page needs some real expansion in terms of citing reliable sources, otherwise it's going to just end up deleted. I say the universe should be required to have its own article to prove its actually a notable example of a "shared universe". ★Trekker ( talk) 12:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I knew about the universe that unites the Freddy and Jason franchises, but not everything else. Since when? Sources? Is it for that Chucky s3 episode? They're just quotes. And I also strongly believe that it is not a big deal to have one or more spin-offs to turn a saga into a cinematic universe. D.C. 2A02:B021:10:11B4:724C:E0A:1A3E:7E8C ( talk) 02:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
There are very few references in this article so the information cannot be verified. As per WP:VERIFY, "information verifiability means other people using the encyclopaedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it."
Many entries seem to be added by people who believe there is a connection without any sources for the claim. I have added a request for further sources. Information that remains unsourced can be removed and I will start doing so after some time has passed. Bigar ( talk) 20:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
First, this article is virtually entirely unsourced. Second, the term "Whoniverse" means something completely different to the way it's used here.
But anyway...
While it may seem odd for a younger viewer who only knows Capaldi, Whitaker or Gatwa, it was painfully obvious in the 60s that the Anderson shows and Doctor Who co-existed, it was obvious during the Blake's 7 years that Blake's 7 and Doctor Who co-existed, it was obvious during Douglas Adams' time that Doctor Who and Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy co-existed, and then there was Dimensions in Time. 197.87.135.139 ( talk) 19:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
First, this article is virtually entirely unsourced.See WP:LITTER, we don't add more unsourced material simply because there's other unsourced material. — Czello ( music) 07:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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These two classic British sitcoms are listed as being in the same universe in the TV section, but I can't establish that they share any characters or scenarios at all. I'm intrigued what justifies their collective inclusion? Coop ( talk) 13:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
If and when anyone feels up to it, the list could probably be split into two sections (one for TV, one for Film) Ncboy2010 ( talk) 15:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Another section could be added for mutimedia? Ashleighhhh ( talk) 22:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Just because a show contains fictional characters and fictional storylines does not mean it is set in a fictional universe. Most stories ever writtena re set in the universe. dictionary.com defines universe as:
u·ni·verse [yoo-nuh-vurs] Show IPA noun 1. the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm. 2. the whole world, especially with reference to humanity: a truth known throughout the universe. 3. a world or sphere in which something exists or prevails: his private universe. 4. Also called universe of discourse. Logic. the aggregate of all the objects, attributes, and relations assumed or implied in a given discussion. 5. Also called universal set. Mathematics . the set of all elements under discussion for a given problem.
So, having millions of "fictional universes" is wrong on multiple levels.
Even so, given a well-known example. In Star Trek(TOS) a remark was made that NASA's first shuttle was called 'Enterprise'. This was of course before NASA even had a shuttle. In the 70's NASA prepared to send their first shuttle into space. Only it wasn't going to be called 'Enterprise'. Trek fans wrote countless thousands of letters, some rather frantic, to NASA asking/requesting/demanding that the shuttle be renamed 'Enterprise', which it was. Now, if Star Trek was supposed to be set in a "fictional universe" called "the Star Trek Universe", why would it have mattered that NASA's shuttle and the one mentioned in TOS had different names? Why do fans come up with theories stating that the various conflicts ion the 1990's were actually part of a worldwide struggle led by the behind-the-scenes manipulator Khan Noonien Singh, and the truth about this War will only be revealed when documents are declassified later this century? Again, if Trek was always supposed to be set in a "fictional universe", what difference would it make?.....Why also would Doctor Who create a story of pure continuity like Attack of the Cybermen? In case you didn't know. the 1966 Doctor Who story The Tenth Planet had Earth being invaded, very visibly and shown on television, by Cybermen in 1986(then 20 years in the future). However, the 1985 story Attack of the Cybermen has time travellers effectively removing the 1986 invasion from history a year before it happens. Why go to that level of continuity if the 1986 shown in The Tenth Planet was always supposed to be taking place in a "fictional universe" called "the Doctor Who Universe" or the even-more-nausea-inducing "the Whoniverse"?
The fact is, certain shows, comics, franchises etc. may well deliberately state that their stories are taking place in "fictional universes". However, that most certainly does not mean that all fiction takes place in these "fictional universes". This article is completely unsourced, and features enormous OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.49.148 ( talk) 06:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The given reference is absurd. In the Doctor Who universe, a spaceship crashed into London, and aliens kill the Prime Minister. Two different fictional characters occupy the position, including an evil alien. Multiple things that have happened and not been redacted by time travel have appeared throughout the series. Yes, certain events have been brought into line with reality. But a lot of things haven't.
I think for the purposes of this article, if it's to exist at all, it should refer strictly to universes in which multiple stories occur. Like, Doctor Who has Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood, numerous books, radio, etc. That's plausibly an entire 'universe' existing outside our own. I'm not sure the same can be said for Fringe or Carnivale - although the world is different, it's really more of a fictional setting. 08:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.246.28 ( talk) No, what is "absurd" is your interpretation. Doctor Who (1963-1989) and Doctor Who (2005-) are two totally separate entities. No one denies that the 2005- series espouses the "Whoniverse" concept, but that was definitely not the case for the original series. In fact, pretty much NO television series of that time thought in that way. It is surreal that MODERN television viewers just assume that tv shows that were produced before they were even born used this mindset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.86.143.140 ( talk) 09:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
A possible addition to the television could be the universes that were made and are official canon for multiple Disney Channel and Disney XD shows. More information on the universe can be read here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batman3095 ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm confused, why is Star Trek listed as a shared universe? all of the Star Trek shows are spun off of the classic show they all have too take place in the same universe (or alternate timelines), a shared universe is two UNRELATED (non-spinoff) shows that are linked right? (MacGyver and Hawaii 5-0 are two non-spin off shows in the same universe). 149.101.1.117 ( talk) 19:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Should Star Trek and Star Wars really be on the list? This is about shared universes...the two series are wholly self-contained, even if both are absolutely enormous in scope.
Star Trek comes fairly close to having true spin-offs, with Assignment: Earth being an unrealized backdoor pilot, Andromeda being originally planned after the fall of the Federation in the early design stages before this was scrapped, while Earth: Final Conflict was always completely distinct.
Star Wars doesn't even have this...it has no ties to Lucas' other works and all spin-offs of any caliber bear the Star Wars name.
I'm hesitant to delete without discussion, but my opinion is to delete these entries. I'd like to get the thoughts of others just so those who keep adding these have somewhere to be directed to when their submissions are removed. -- sarysa ( talk) 18:44, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand why there is a notes section at all, as there is already a notes column in the table. It greatly damages the article's readability, while more often than not the notes would not add lines to the row if placed in the notes column. I would like to merge the notes section back into the notes column of the table, but would prefer to get others' approval first...given how stark a change it would be. -- sarysa ( talk) 18:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
This is mainly directed @ Rreemmett: but I welcome other responses. First of all, I'm not a troll and I have been on Wikipedia since 2005. I trying to avoid edit warring so we need to discuss these two here. As far as I can see, Wizarding World and X-Men Film (aka FOX Marvel) qualify as shared universes. The definition given in the section is "two or more", but two or more of what? Decentralized works with differing focus that are ultimately tied together.
Star Trek isn't a shared universe because all canon works share not only the name but also the general scope of Earth-centric organizations tied together. (United Earth, Starfleet, The Federation) If the Gary Seven spinoff were approved, it would then qualify as a shared universe. Similarly, Star Wars isn't a shared universe because it's united around the name as well as the struggles between the Republic/Empire, the resistance, Jedi, and Sith.
Now let's look at Wizarding World. Harry Potter's focus is on Harry Potter and to a lesser extent Hogwarts. Fantastic Beasts is set in the same universe, but has a drastically different focus...the only tie to Hogwarts being a loose one involving the protagonist's future writings. These are two distinct franchises with loose ties in the same universe.
Deadpool being distinct enough from X-Men is a bit more debatable, as it was originally conceived in the 90's as an X-Men spinoff in the comics. The other likely point of contention is the first film having X-Men characters later on. The key here is the focus: Deadpool is set in a world where the X-Men exist, but the primary focus is on Deadpool. Their presence in his film is more of an afterthought, and it may even clash somewhat with the X-Men film series canon to service the film's focus, which again is Deadpool. In my opinion, these differences in focus distinguish Deadpool and X-Men as two distinct franchises set in the same universe.
I frankly don't see why you keep removing these two. Please justify your doing so. -- sarysa ( talk) 16:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
[outdent] Quote: A shared universe or shared world is a set of creative works where more than one writer (or other artist) independently contributes a work that can stand alone but fits into the joint development of the storyline, characters, or world of the overall project. It is common in genres like science fiction. It differs from collaborative writing where multiple artists are working together on the same work and from crossovers where the works and characters are independent except for a single meeting. The term shared universe is also used within comics to reflect the overall milieu created by the comic book publisher in which characters, events, and premises from one product line appear in other product lines in a media franchise.
That is the cited definition of a shared universe, which conflicts with your definition. Serendi pod ous 15:14, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Should Sony's Marvel Universe be considered a shared universe? i tried to add it a couple times but it keeps getting removed.
Would Moon (2009) and Mute (2018) fit the requirements for shared universe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.46.177 ( talk) 18:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Not a single one of the examples on this list has a source. I removed over 10 so called "shared universes" that aren't actually what would be considered shared universes, having a single spin-off or a differently named sequel/prequel is not what most would describe as a "shared universe", this page needs some real expansion in terms of citing reliable sources, otherwise it's going to just end up deleted. I say the universe should be required to have its own article to prove its actually a notable example of a "shared universe". ★Trekker ( talk) 12:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I knew about the universe that unites the Freddy and Jason franchises, but not everything else. Since when? Sources? Is it for that Chucky s3 episode? They're just quotes. And I also strongly believe that it is not a big deal to have one or more spin-offs to turn a saga into a cinematic universe. D.C. 2A02:B021:10:11B4:724C:E0A:1A3E:7E8C ( talk) 02:30, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
There are very few references in this article so the information cannot be verified. As per WP:VERIFY, "information verifiability means other people using the encyclopaedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it."
Many entries seem to be added by people who believe there is a connection without any sources for the claim. I have added a request for further sources. Information that remains unsourced can be removed and I will start doing so after some time has passed. Bigar ( talk) 20:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
First, this article is virtually entirely unsourced. Second, the term "Whoniverse" means something completely different to the way it's used here.
But anyway...
While it may seem odd for a younger viewer who only knows Capaldi, Whitaker or Gatwa, it was painfully obvious in the 60s that the Anderson shows and Doctor Who co-existed, it was obvious during the Blake's 7 years that Blake's 7 and Doctor Who co-existed, it was obvious during Douglas Adams' time that Doctor Who and Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy co-existed, and then there was Dimensions in Time. 197.87.135.139 ( talk) 19:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
First, this article is virtually entirely unsourced.See WP:LITTER, we don't add more unsourced material simply because there's other unsourced material. — Czello ( music) 07:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)