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Can we rename this "Executive Orders and Memorandums" and not "Executive Actions"? Executive Actions actually exists; they are the non-binding resolutions of the Executive branch. Obama had a single Executive Action on gun control, a list of things he cared so deeply about he made a list and that was it, not a bit of actual power was behind it though, cause "Action"; of course Actions have no actual anything behind them. They are at most a way for a President to receive some public feedback on some ideas they're having, without changing a single thing with the government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.138.23 ( talk) 02:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
According to the White House, there has only been one executive order issued. The remainder of the listed items here are actually Presidential Memoranda. This may be a highly technical difference in many ways. But since executive orders are numbered and memoranda are not, this is a problem for this page, which is only supposed to list the executive orders. In particular, Donald Trump has only issued one executive order, 13765. But there are now five others (all memoranda) listed with their own numbers, even though they don't actually have them. So if Trump issues another executive order, its number will conflict with that of the presidential memorandum listed.
If we're tracking presidential memoranda, we should do so on a different page or at least in a separate table. As is, we are misleading readers as to what is and is not an executive order. Federal executive orders have a specific meaning and tracking requirements. Most of the current entries do not fit the definition nor are subject to the tracking requirement. To be BOLD, I'm going to move the memoranda into a separate table on this page. That will be cluttered but less confusing when there is a second executive order. Mdfst13 ( talk) 22:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Here's a good explanation of the difference - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/24/executive-order-vs-presidential-memorandum-whats-difference/96979014/ - Jesse Schulman ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
The Federal Register does apparently record memoranda although I haven't yet found an index page, here is an example of the one regarding withdrawal from the TPP. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/25/2017-01845/withdrawal-of-the-united-states-from-the-trans--pacific-partnership-negotiations-and-agreement I would think these would be preferred references to include if Memoranda are being listed. This link might be useful in finding additional ones both going forward and back if someone wants to work on it. Phil ( talk) 22:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
This is being updated. Oceanflynn ( talk) 05:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Maybe List of United States federal executive orders signed by President Trump? Executive number 13765 is completely meaningless to 99% of Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandiego91 ( talk • contribs) 13:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Note: These articles also should be renamed similarly. Tom Ruen ( talk) 22:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to link article text to Wikisource URLs? Or, is it worth noting that when users click on these links they will be taken outside Wikipedia? Not sure what is common practice re: use of Wikisource links. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
The majority of the links to specific orders in year 2018 and later do not have an actual Wikisource page, so display an error page. I see 4 options, I defer to Wikipedia norms as to what we should do: 1. Flag the link appropriately, showing red or similar? The Wikisource summary does so at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Donald_John_Trump/Executive_orders 2. The link could instead go to the Federal Register, for example https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/04/2020-29235/expanding-educational-opportunity-through-school-choice 3. Remove links for those orders that do not have Wikisource pages. 4. Do nothing, readers will get errors until the Wikisource pages are created. 73.209.182.2 ( talk) 17:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Every source I find is just a copy of USA Today's report. I'm not saying USA Today is a bad source, I just wish I could find more sources. - Kiraroshi1976 ( talk) 00:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I've just cleaned up some wording regarding the President's ability to issue a "Presidential Sequestration Order", but I have no idea what this actually is. Do we have an article on this type of order that we can wikilink to? Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the National Security Presidential Memorandum on Strengthening the Policy of the United States Toward Cuba has not been added here yet, or is it supposed to be here but hasn't yet for whatever reason? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I see that the White House recognized the National Day for the Victims of Communism. However, I see that it is not listed here. Does it not count as a proclamation? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 20:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to propose a split of the Proclamations and the executive orders to new pages and have the Donald Trump series to where there will be "Executive actions (Executive orders * Proclamations)" since there is a hidden category: Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. I'd be willing make those pages and update the Executive actions page and the DT series.- Kiraroshi1976 ( talk) 03:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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I would expect the Federal Register to publish Trump's memo ordering the National Guard to the southern border. However, the Federal Register hasn't published it (AFAIK) despite having published more recent executive actions. Is there a reason for this, and will it be added to this article? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 03:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
At https://www.ksnt.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-denying-asylum-to-illegal-border-crossers/1583103353 Colleen Long of Associated Press via ksnt.com reported November 9 on Trump signing an EO, but it still hasn't shown up in https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-order/13851 or https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ as of now.
Is it possible this is classified as something else and Long got the category wrong? Like a Memoranda or Determination or Proclamation? Or an Order or a Notice? If that is the case and it has been issued/announced I'd like to find and include it.
In cases where we have proof that media have been reporting something in the wrong category, I'm wondering if we could make a footnote in the wrongly alleged category linking to an anchor for the proper section which details it. Ash Carol ( talk) 06:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Are there any objections to removing the incomplete graph from the top of this list article? It doesn't cover the entire time period in the article and i don't think it helps with understanding the totality of the executive actions. Liz Read! Talk! 17:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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It would be nice to add a column saying which were partially or mostly or completely overturned by courts. For instance 13795 was overturned- but I don't know what fraction... An answer on Quora said as of May 21, 2019 there were 37 Nationwide Injunctions issued against Donald Trump. But it didn't say which orders they were for... An interesting search: how many injunctions against trump executive orders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:3ec0:ae30:f1bc:4c03:301e:9fd3 ( talk) 17:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Reywas92 generated a whole lot of https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/2/executive-order-minimizing-economic-burden-patient-protection-and links that do not work. REAL archives do exist at https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/2/executive-order-minimizing-economic-burden-patient-protection-and AManWithNoPlan ( talk) 18:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Can we rename this "Executive Orders and Memorandums" and not "Executive Actions"? Executive Actions actually exists; they are the non-binding resolutions of the Executive branch. Obama had a single Executive Action on gun control, a list of things he cared so deeply about he made a list and that was it, not a bit of actual power was behind it though, cause "Action"; of course Actions have no actual anything behind them. They are at most a way for a President to receive some public feedback on some ideas they're having, without changing a single thing with the government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.138.23 ( talk) 02:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
According to the White House, there has only been one executive order issued. The remainder of the listed items here are actually Presidential Memoranda. This may be a highly technical difference in many ways. But since executive orders are numbered and memoranda are not, this is a problem for this page, which is only supposed to list the executive orders. In particular, Donald Trump has only issued one executive order, 13765. But there are now five others (all memoranda) listed with their own numbers, even though they don't actually have them. So if Trump issues another executive order, its number will conflict with that of the presidential memorandum listed.
If we're tracking presidential memoranda, we should do so on a different page or at least in a separate table. As is, we are misleading readers as to what is and is not an executive order. Federal executive orders have a specific meaning and tracking requirements. Most of the current entries do not fit the definition nor are subject to the tracking requirement. To be BOLD, I'm going to move the memoranda into a separate table on this page. That will be cluttered but less confusing when there is a second executive order. Mdfst13 ( talk) 22:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Here's a good explanation of the difference - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/24/executive-order-vs-presidential-memorandum-whats-difference/96979014/ - Jesse Schulman ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
The Federal Register does apparently record memoranda although I haven't yet found an index page, here is an example of the one regarding withdrawal from the TPP. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/25/2017-01845/withdrawal-of-the-united-states-from-the-trans--pacific-partnership-negotiations-and-agreement I would think these would be preferred references to include if Memoranda are being listed. This link might be useful in finding additional ones both going forward and back if someone wants to work on it. Phil ( talk) 22:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
This is being updated. Oceanflynn ( talk) 05:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Maybe List of United States federal executive orders signed by President Trump? Executive number 13765 is completely meaningless to 99% of Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandiego91 ( talk • contribs) 13:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Note: These articles also should be renamed similarly. Tom Ruen ( talk) 22:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to link article text to Wikisource URLs? Or, is it worth noting that when users click on these links they will be taken outside Wikipedia? Not sure what is common practice re: use of Wikisource links. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 19:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
The majority of the links to specific orders in year 2018 and later do not have an actual Wikisource page, so display an error page. I see 4 options, I defer to Wikipedia norms as to what we should do: 1. Flag the link appropriately, showing red or similar? The Wikisource summary does so at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Donald_John_Trump/Executive_orders 2. The link could instead go to the Federal Register, for example https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/04/2020-29235/expanding-educational-opportunity-through-school-choice 3. Remove links for those orders that do not have Wikisource pages. 4. Do nothing, readers will get errors until the Wikisource pages are created. 73.209.182.2 ( talk) 17:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Every source I find is just a copy of USA Today's report. I'm not saying USA Today is a bad source, I just wish I could find more sources. - Kiraroshi1976 ( talk) 00:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I've just cleaned up some wording regarding the President's ability to issue a "Presidential Sequestration Order", but I have no idea what this actually is. Do we have an article on this type of order that we can wikilink to? Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the National Security Presidential Memorandum on Strengthening the Policy of the United States Toward Cuba has not been added here yet, or is it supposed to be here but hasn't yet for whatever reason? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 17:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
I see that the White House recognized the National Day for the Victims of Communism. However, I see that it is not listed here. Does it not count as a proclamation? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 20:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to propose a split of the Proclamations and the executive orders to new pages and have the Donald Trump series to where there will be "Executive actions (Executive orders * Proclamations)" since there is a hidden category: Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. I'd be willing make those pages and update the Executive actions page and the DT series.- Kiraroshi1976 ( talk) 03:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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I would expect the Federal Register to publish Trump's memo ordering the National Guard to the southern border. However, the Federal Register hasn't published it (AFAIK) despite having published more recent executive actions. Is there a reason for this, and will it be added to this article? -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 03:15, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
At https://www.ksnt.com/news/trump-signs-executive-order-denying-asylum-to-illegal-border-crossers/1583103353 Colleen Long of Associated Press via ksnt.com reported November 9 on Trump signing an EO, but it still hasn't shown up in https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-order/13851 or https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/ as of now.
Is it possible this is classified as something else and Long got the category wrong? Like a Memoranda or Determination or Proclamation? Or an Order or a Notice? If that is the case and it has been issued/announced I'd like to find and include it.
In cases where we have proof that media have been reporting something in the wrong category, I'm wondering if we could make a footnote in the wrongly alleged category linking to an anchor for the proper section which details it. Ash Carol ( talk) 06:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Are there any objections to removing the incomplete graph from the top of this list article? It doesn't cover the entire time period in the article and i don't think it helps with understanding the totality of the executive actions. Liz Read! Talk! 17:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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It would be nice to add a column saying which were partially or mostly or completely overturned by courts. For instance 13795 was overturned- but I don't know what fraction... An answer on Quora said as of May 21, 2019 there were 37 Nationwide Injunctions issued against Donald Trump. But it didn't say which orders they were for... An interesting search: how many injunctions against trump executive orders — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:3ec0:ae30:f1bc:4c03:301e:9fd3 ( talk) 17:52, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Reywas92 generated a whole lot of https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/2/executive-order-minimizing-economic-burden-patient-protection-and links that do not work. REAL archives do exist at https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/2/executive-order-minimizing-economic-burden-patient-protection-and AManWithNoPlan ( talk) 18:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)