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I saw a reference to west philadelphia. presumably this is vandalism but i'm not sure how to fix or be sure. 2602:306:CD65:4530:DD35:9E01:238A:C976 ( talk) 06:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
WHERE ARE THE EGYPTIANS, MOORS, BERBERS ETC?
This list is rather incomplete, even when discussing the major ethnic groups. I saw no reference to Sango, Ga, Mossi, Temne, Sarahule, Ogoni, Malinke (although Bambara was there), Tuareg, or Manjak. Granted it is a lot of work, and since there are divisions of divisions they should be appropriately indicated. - Isaac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.195.36 ( talk) 22:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the article because it is a mess with all those templates and needs incorporating properly in the alphabetical list. It is between nowiki tags to stop it making a mess of the talk page as well. I would do this myself but have no way of knowing that the data is actually valid. Most of the templates don't exist - I think this may have been dumped in from another wiki. Anyone with some knowledge on this subject, please leave a note on my talk page and I will come back and sort it out. SpinningSpark 12:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
* {{Afrique du Sud}}
**[[Khosa]]
**[[Zoulou]]
<br>
*{{Algérie}}, {{Tunisie}}, {{Maroc}}, {{Mauritanie}}...
**[[Touaregs]]
**[[Kabyle]]
<br>
*{{Angola}}
**[[Tschokwe]] ou [[Chokwe]]
**[[Lunda]]
<br>
*{{Bénin}}
**[[Fon-gbe]]
**[[Igbo]]
**[[Yorouba]]
<br>
*{{Botswana}}, {{Namibie}}
**[[Bochimans]]
<br>
*{{Burkina Faso}}
**[[Bobo-Dioulasso]]
**[[Ben]]
**[[Bwa (peuple)|Bwa]]
**[[Gan]]
**[[Gouin]]
**[[Lobi]]
**[[Marka]]
**[[Nuna]]
**[[Nunuma]]
**[[Winiama]]
<br>
*{{Cameroun}}
**[[Bamileke]]
**[[Bamoun]]
**[[Ben]]
**[[Betis]]
**[[Mambila]]
**[[Namji]]
**[[Zande]]
**[[Zingwe]]
<br>
*{{RDC}}, {{Congo}}
**[[Bangubangu]]
**[[Bemba]]
**[[Bunza]]
**[[Havu]]
**[[Hema]]
**[[Hemba]]
**[[Kongo]]
**[[Koulango]]
**[[Kuba]]
**[[Lele]]
**[[Lendu]]
**[[Lokele]]
**[[Luba]]
**[[Lunda]]
**[[Loango]]
**[[Mangbetu]]
**[[Minungu]]
**[[Mongo]]
**[[Nande]]
**[[Ndembo]]
**[[Ngandi]]
**[[Pende]]
**[[Sanga]]
**[[Shi]]
**[[Tabwa]]
**[[Teke]]
**[[Topoke]]
**[[Tchokwé]]
**[[Toussian]]
**[[Songye]]
**[[Yanda (ethnie)|Yanda]]
**[[Yaka]]
<br>
*{{Côte d'Ivoire}}
**[[Akan]]
**[[Baoulé]]
**[[Dan]]
**[[Djimini]]
**[[Guro]]
**[[Lagoon]]
**[[Mau]]
**[[Mayombe]]
**[[Poro]]
**[[Yaure]]
<br>
*{{Égypte}}
**[[copte]]
**[[Nagada]]
**[[Nubie]]
<br>
*{{Éthiopie}}
**[[Afar]]
<br>
*{{Gabon}}
**[[fang]]
**[[Kota]]
**[[Mbete]]
**[[Obamba]]
**[[Tshogo]]
<br>
*{{Ghana}}
**[[Akan]]
**[[Ashanti]]
**[[Fanti]]
**[[Moba]]
<br>
*{{Guinée}}
**[[Baga]]
**[[Nalu]]
**[[Toma]]
<br>
*{{Guinée-Bissau}}
**[[Bijagos]]
<br>
*{{Libéria}}
**[[Bete]]
**[[Kono]]
**[[Wee]]
<br>
*{{Madagascar}}
**[[Ankaragna]]
**[[Antandroy]]
**[[Antesaka]]
**[[Betsileo]]
**[[Bezanozano_(ethnie)| Bezanozano]]
**[[Merina]]
**[[Sakalava]]
**[[Vazimba]]
**[[Vezo]]
<br>
*{{Mali}}
**[[Bamana]]
**[[Dogon]]
**[[Soninké]]
**[[Tellem]]
<br>
*{{Mozambique}},...
**[[Swahilie]]
<br>
*{{Niger}}
**[[Djerma]]
**[[Kanuri]]
**[[Urhobo]]
<br>
*{{Nigeria}}
**[[Anang]]
**[[Bakor]]
**[[État d'Edo|Edo]]
**[[Igbo]]
**[[Ikenga]]
**[[Mbembé]]
**[[Tiv]]
**[[Yoruba]]
<br>
*{{Ouganda}}
**[[Ganda]]
<br>
*{{République centrafricaine}}
**[[yangéré]]
<br>
*{{Sierra Leone}}
**[[Sapi]]
<br>
*{{Soudan}}
**[[Lurangu]]
**[[Makuria]]
**[[Nouba]]
**[[Nzakara]]
<br>
*{{Tanzanie}}
**[[Zaramo]]
<br>
*{{Togo}}
**[[Kotokoli]]
**[[Ewes|Ewe]]
<br>
This article needs a good deal of work starting from the opening sentence (it's a bit of an overstatement to say there are "thousands, each having their own distinct language and culture"). The attempt to list all ethnic groups is something that would need a lot more input and some reorganization to reflect groupings (e.g., Bambara and Mandinka in Manding; Zulu, Xhosa in Nguni; etc.). One could consider splitting this effort into two articles, with one on Ethnicity in Africa or Population groups in Africa, discussing the meaning of the term, and the overall picture of identities in Africa. The other article could be a list of groups.-- A12n ( talk) 21:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Egyptians is a nationality not a race!.. there is alot of races in egypt.. and arabs is the Majority of egypt makes 70% of Population maybe more .. and for berbers i think they 20 millions only not more than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.168.55 ( talk) 23:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I know there is a fair bit of confusion as to the proper name to include in a chart such as this for the Krahn-Wee-Guere tribes, but they still hold an important place in Liberian and Côte d'Ivoire history so I think they definitely deserve a place in the chart. I am also in the process of updating the Krahn people page so there can be a link to that article.-- AngelKelley ( talk) 22:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I deleted some pov material about who was really what ethnic group. Some is cited to [1] and imho is a complete misrepresentation that paper and for some reason doesn't mentions "The present research confirms anecdotal evidence in the Senegalese printed press of the decreasing size of the Serer ethnic group." The insistence here and elsewhere that the Serer are the ancestors of the Wolofs uses [2] as a source, something written by Ebou Momar Taal [3] who seems to have no qualifications that make him any sort of reliable source. The article " Normal 0 false false false EN-GB X-NONE X-NONE What Do You Mean There Were No Tribes in Africa?": Thoughts on Boundaries: And Related Matters: In Precolonial Africa" says "It turns out, to the best of my understanding, that such matters did not used to be an issue among Niumi's residents, or seemingly among persons over a much wider area of Africa's western savannas, because the distant ancestors of today's Gambians did not identify themselves-at least primarily-as members of ethnic groups (or, God forbid, tribes). How they did identify themselves is difficult to determine because of the lack of evidence, all the more so because it appears that people's primary means of identity may have changed over time. Still, at some point in the past, several centuries ago, many people living in the Niumi banko may have held several levels of identity, none of which was as a "Mandinka." The top taxo- nomic level for some seems clearly to have been with an extended family. The state's mansakiindalu identified themselves as such, above all. Sonko Jilenkunda was one such family. Its members had enormous family pride; their praise singers extolled the past greatness of its male members and recited its (seemingly fabricated) tradition of origin. Persons who joined the family-either as marital partners or long-term clients-became "naturalized" in a sense: they learned the family history, gained an identity with important ancestors, and eventually took on a new Sonko identity." Dougweller ( talk) 10:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I propose that Africans be merged into this page, Ethnic groups in Africa. The topic is already covered here in greater detail. This will also bring it in line with European people, which redirects to Ethnic groups in Europe. Middayexpress ( talk) 00:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Horn of Africa in East Africa? If so where is East Africa like Kenya, etc. I think the Horn of Africa section should renamed to "East Africa" in-line with other sections in this article. A Bartenders Vegs ( talk) 17:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
All population figures need reliable sources. Hopefully these are in the original articles, but notwithstanding they need to be in this one as well. My experience is that without sources editors happily come along and change them to their preferred figures. They do this even when sourced, but at least we can check them when they are changed. Dougweller ( talk) 08:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I am specifically concerned about the change in the population figure for the Berbers in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, and Tunisia from 150 to 30+ million. I think the 30+ may be a more accurate figure, but I find the lack of a reliable source disturbing. The Berbers article lists the 30+ million figure, but the two citations are doubtful. See Talk:Berbers#Population. -- Bejnar ( talk) 03:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Should "African" redirect here? There are a great many things that are african without being ethnic groups: african mountain ranges, african food, african climate, african political organisations... Compare European and Asian, which are disambiguation pages. I almost linked an endangered african lizard here. The idea of the turquoise dwarf gecko belonging to a human ethnic group seems a bit silly, but it is undisputably african. HLHJ ( talk) 10:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Ethnic groups of Africa →
Native ethnic groups of Africa – article specifically discusses the many ethnic groups that are native to the African continent, however "ethnic group" as a term has a much broader meaning.
Stanleytux (
talk)
21:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
from Cameroon were added to the tables, while the idea was to present the largest groups as an overview. Marcin862 ( talk) 16:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Ip, the see also link points to various global social constructs, not to an anthropological group. The actual anthropological type you are alluding to is Negroid, which is just one of several morphologies extant on the continent (alongside Caucasoid and Capoid). It is also already linked in the see also. Moreover, both the global social construct and two of these taxons exist in Asia too (alongside Australoid and Mongoloid). So for consistency, whatever is linked to here should be duplicated on ethnic groups of Asia. Soupforone ( talk) 15:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I understand. However, black is indeed a social construct (i.e. non-biological, societal concept) that varies globally. As with Asia, it is just one of several in use in Africa. There are also extant brown and white social constructs, including below the Sahara. Soupforone ( talk) 02:46, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
ItaloCelt84, most Chadic speakers today are actually of Sudanic origin and thus likely once spoke Nilo-Saharan languages. It is known from genetic analysis that they absorbed the original Chadic speakers, who instead appear to have had Western European affinities (deduced from the high frequencies of paternal haplogroup R1 among modern Chadic populations). On the other hand, most other local Afro-Asiatic speakers, whether above or below the Sahara, are indeed ancestrally related [4]. These biological ties are distinct from the black, brown and white social constructs, which have often changed and vary globally. The latter whimsical constructs are also not to be confused with the taxa of forensic anthropology, which I agree are instead mainly rooted in actual biology. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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The overview section is crucial, otherwise this becomes completely intractable.
We do have estimates available, it is just important to state these aren't much more accurate than "order of magnitude" (give or take a factor 2 or so). It is still important to report that the Bantu have of the order of 250 million people, while the Khoisan have of the order of 1 million, such differences are significant even if the estimates are only good for one order of magnitude (upon review [below], the actual 2016 count is closer to 330M, for an error bar of the order of 20%).
Populations are under-reported because censuses in sub-Saharan Africa are as good as impossible, and the best available ethnographic estimates in some cases date to the 1990s or even 1980s. Population growth is anyone's guess, and it was systemically underestimated in the past, so that historical estimates for "2000" extrapolated from 1980s data will already be too low before they are further extrapolated to the 2010s.
Bearing this in mind, we have perfectly good references giving the order of magnitude of populations, and the separation into phyla. At present, we can say (as of 2016 or "late 2010s"):
From this it is clear that Khoisan, Malagasy and European are negligible for total African population (well within the margin of error "1.2-1.3 billion") If Nilotic is rounded up to 100M (high estimate), we are left with 1,100 million (low estimate) for Afro-Asiatic plus Niger-Congo. UN projections limit Afro-Asiatic by:
So within the UN projections, 400M is already an upper limit for Afro-Asiatic. The lowest number for Niger-Congo compatible with the UN projections is therefore 700 million:
A total of 700M is more than 30% too high compared with the totals I have aggregated in the Niger-Congo page. A closer review will be needed to establish which groups had their growth most severely underestimated. But across the board, the updated figures for Niger-Congo will be close to:
The reason I am looking into this is that it has come to my attention that up to 300 milllion people are missing in our demographic estimates by ethnic or ethno-linguistic group. This is of the order of 4% of world population, or close to the entire population of the United States going unreported. In addition, the massive population growth in these populations means that the fraction of world population completely unaccounted for on Wikipedia is growing by the day. If I have ever seen a textbook case of Wikipedia:Systemic bias, this has got to be it.
I realise we cannot make up date that hasn't been reported anywhere, and indeed we have to be clear that these figures are estimates with margins of error of the order of 20% to 30%, but this doesn't excuse us from compiling such inaccurate data as there is and presenting it, for better or worse.
The bottom line is that population estimates the Bantu phylum, as the largest group, are most crucial and should be looked into first. There is an uncertainty of scores of millions of people just within Bantu (about "250-350M").
-- dab (𒁳) 11:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I did a list based on per-country demographic data here, and the sum comes almost exactly to 350M as of 2015 (350M in 2015 would result in about 380M in 2018). This may still be off by 10% or more, but at least that seems to be the ballpark figure. Help is appreciated in improving this. -- dab (𒁳) 09:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Nufu, nice of you to take an interest.
We are agreed that the state of this article is below unacceptable, and that it is a very difficult topic.
There can be gradual improvement, but it is pointles to roll back imperfect improvement attempts for not being perfect.
Instead, you are welcome to actually help in putting work into it, and by engaging with the general roadmap / topical outline I have collected above.
If you not show such engagement, I will assume you are unwilling or unable to put in the work and will try to do it to the best of my own ability.
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The information stating "Cape Coloured" is an Indo-Afrikaaner ethnic group is grossly wrong. There is no such ethnic group or race called "coloured". The term "coloured" is a derogatory, classification created by the old apartheid Afrikaaner government. There are no such a people as "coloured". This is empirical knowledge. The people that are discriminatory labeled as "coloured" are aboriginal descendants from the Khoi and San. 41.193.88.15 ( talk) 18:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
@ MrMan9700: If a discussion has to be started, the editor who wants to change should start it, in this case, that's you. Indo-European Afrikaans has been spoken in South Africa for more than 300 years, and it is listed in the book referenced at the end of the row in the table (pages 211 and 212 discuss it at length). -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Voice 197.239.6.241 ( talk) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
The data in the population totals have discrepancies with their respective hyperlinks. i.e. of 2020 both Yoruba people and Hausa people have an estimation of 50 million worldwide but one needs only to sum to see that their population in Africa alone surpasses 40 million.
The major ethnic groups per population rank is as follows (bold is current page revision):
Below minimum of 10 million:
-- Queen of Wa, friend of Wei ( talk) 06:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The first map shows the green area as Bantu, but the Volta-Niger area (home of Yoruba, Edo, Igbo etc. languages) is also colored green, making the impression those languages belong to the Bantu family. Is it possible to add a different map? Casa de Lancastre ( talk) 12:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
I think the title of this article is problematic, as I think people would expect a semi-exhaustive list including all ethnic groups that have a population over say 100,000. If the list itself is not expanded, then I think a more suitable name would just be Ethnic groups in Africa. I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward task to just look at countries' demographic pages and include populous ethnic groups, and possibly identify wider groupings. Please let me know what you think. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 16:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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I saw a reference to west philadelphia. presumably this is vandalism but i'm not sure how to fix or be sure. 2602:306:CD65:4530:DD35:9E01:238A:C976 ( talk) 06:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
WHERE ARE THE EGYPTIANS, MOORS, BERBERS ETC?
This list is rather incomplete, even when discussing the major ethnic groups. I saw no reference to Sango, Ga, Mossi, Temne, Sarahule, Ogoni, Malinke (although Bambara was there), Tuareg, or Manjak. Granted it is a lot of work, and since there are divisions of divisions they should be appropriately indicated. - Isaac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.195.36 ( talk) 22:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following from the article because it is a mess with all those templates and needs incorporating properly in the alphabetical list. It is between nowiki tags to stop it making a mess of the talk page as well. I would do this myself but have no way of knowing that the data is actually valid. Most of the templates don't exist - I think this may have been dumped in from another wiki. Anyone with some knowledge on this subject, please leave a note on my talk page and I will come back and sort it out. SpinningSpark 12:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
* {{Afrique du Sud}}
**[[Khosa]]
**[[Zoulou]]
<br>
*{{Algérie}}, {{Tunisie}}, {{Maroc}}, {{Mauritanie}}...
**[[Touaregs]]
**[[Kabyle]]
<br>
*{{Angola}}
**[[Tschokwe]] ou [[Chokwe]]
**[[Lunda]]
<br>
*{{Bénin}}
**[[Fon-gbe]]
**[[Igbo]]
**[[Yorouba]]
<br>
*{{Botswana}}, {{Namibie}}
**[[Bochimans]]
<br>
*{{Burkina Faso}}
**[[Bobo-Dioulasso]]
**[[Ben]]
**[[Bwa (peuple)|Bwa]]
**[[Gan]]
**[[Gouin]]
**[[Lobi]]
**[[Marka]]
**[[Nuna]]
**[[Nunuma]]
**[[Winiama]]
<br>
*{{Cameroun}}
**[[Bamileke]]
**[[Bamoun]]
**[[Ben]]
**[[Betis]]
**[[Mambila]]
**[[Namji]]
**[[Zande]]
**[[Zingwe]]
<br>
*{{RDC}}, {{Congo}}
**[[Bangubangu]]
**[[Bemba]]
**[[Bunza]]
**[[Havu]]
**[[Hema]]
**[[Hemba]]
**[[Kongo]]
**[[Koulango]]
**[[Kuba]]
**[[Lele]]
**[[Lendu]]
**[[Lokele]]
**[[Luba]]
**[[Lunda]]
**[[Loango]]
**[[Mangbetu]]
**[[Minungu]]
**[[Mongo]]
**[[Nande]]
**[[Ndembo]]
**[[Ngandi]]
**[[Pende]]
**[[Sanga]]
**[[Shi]]
**[[Tabwa]]
**[[Teke]]
**[[Topoke]]
**[[Tchokwé]]
**[[Toussian]]
**[[Songye]]
**[[Yanda (ethnie)|Yanda]]
**[[Yaka]]
<br>
*{{Côte d'Ivoire}}
**[[Akan]]
**[[Baoulé]]
**[[Dan]]
**[[Djimini]]
**[[Guro]]
**[[Lagoon]]
**[[Mau]]
**[[Mayombe]]
**[[Poro]]
**[[Yaure]]
<br>
*{{Égypte}}
**[[copte]]
**[[Nagada]]
**[[Nubie]]
<br>
*{{Éthiopie}}
**[[Afar]]
<br>
*{{Gabon}}
**[[fang]]
**[[Kota]]
**[[Mbete]]
**[[Obamba]]
**[[Tshogo]]
<br>
*{{Ghana}}
**[[Akan]]
**[[Ashanti]]
**[[Fanti]]
**[[Moba]]
<br>
*{{Guinée}}
**[[Baga]]
**[[Nalu]]
**[[Toma]]
<br>
*{{Guinée-Bissau}}
**[[Bijagos]]
<br>
*{{Libéria}}
**[[Bete]]
**[[Kono]]
**[[Wee]]
<br>
*{{Madagascar}}
**[[Ankaragna]]
**[[Antandroy]]
**[[Antesaka]]
**[[Betsileo]]
**[[Bezanozano_(ethnie)| Bezanozano]]
**[[Merina]]
**[[Sakalava]]
**[[Vazimba]]
**[[Vezo]]
<br>
*{{Mali}}
**[[Bamana]]
**[[Dogon]]
**[[Soninké]]
**[[Tellem]]
<br>
*{{Mozambique}},...
**[[Swahilie]]
<br>
*{{Niger}}
**[[Djerma]]
**[[Kanuri]]
**[[Urhobo]]
<br>
*{{Nigeria}}
**[[Anang]]
**[[Bakor]]
**[[État d'Edo|Edo]]
**[[Igbo]]
**[[Ikenga]]
**[[Mbembé]]
**[[Tiv]]
**[[Yoruba]]
<br>
*{{Ouganda}}
**[[Ganda]]
<br>
*{{République centrafricaine}}
**[[yangéré]]
<br>
*{{Sierra Leone}}
**[[Sapi]]
<br>
*{{Soudan}}
**[[Lurangu]]
**[[Makuria]]
**[[Nouba]]
**[[Nzakara]]
<br>
*{{Tanzanie}}
**[[Zaramo]]
<br>
*{{Togo}}
**[[Kotokoli]]
**[[Ewes|Ewe]]
<br>
This article needs a good deal of work starting from the opening sentence (it's a bit of an overstatement to say there are "thousands, each having their own distinct language and culture"). The attempt to list all ethnic groups is something that would need a lot more input and some reorganization to reflect groupings (e.g., Bambara and Mandinka in Manding; Zulu, Xhosa in Nguni; etc.). One could consider splitting this effort into two articles, with one on Ethnicity in Africa or Population groups in Africa, discussing the meaning of the term, and the overall picture of identities in Africa. The other article could be a list of groups.-- A12n ( talk) 21:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Egyptians is a nationality not a race!.. there is alot of races in egypt.. and arabs is the Majority of egypt makes 70% of Population maybe more .. and for berbers i think they 20 millions only not more than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.196.168.55 ( talk) 23:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I know there is a fair bit of confusion as to the proper name to include in a chart such as this for the Krahn-Wee-Guere tribes, but they still hold an important place in Liberian and Côte d'Ivoire history so I think they definitely deserve a place in the chart. I am also in the process of updating the Krahn people page so there can be a link to that article.-- AngelKelley ( talk) 22:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I deleted some pov material about who was really what ethnic group. Some is cited to [1] and imho is a complete misrepresentation that paper and for some reason doesn't mentions "The present research confirms anecdotal evidence in the Senegalese printed press of the decreasing size of the Serer ethnic group." The insistence here and elsewhere that the Serer are the ancestors of the Wolofs uses [2] as a source, something written by Ebou Momar Taal [3] who seems to have no qualifications that make him any sort of reliable source. The article " Normal 0 false false false EN-GB X-NONE X-NONE What Do You Mean There Were No Tribes in Africa?": Thoughts on Boundaries: And Related Matters: In Precolonial Africa" says "It turns out, to the best of my understanding, that such matters did not used to be an issue among Niumi's residents, or seemingly among persons over a much wider area of Africa's western savannas, because the distant ancestors of today's Gambians did not identify themselves-at least primarily-as members of ethnic groups (or, God forbid, tribes). How they did identify themselves is difficult to determine because of the lack of evidence, all the more so because it appears that people's primary means of identity may have changed over time. Still, at some point in the past, several centuries ago, many people living in the Niumi banko may have held several levels of identity, none of which was as a "Mandinka." The top taxo- nomic level for some seems clearly to have been with an extended family. The state's mansakiindalu identified themselves as such, above all. Sonko Jilenkunda was one such family. Its members had enormous family pride; their praise singers extolled the past greatness of its male members and recited its (seemingly fabricated) tradition of origin. Persons who joined the family-either as marital partners or long-term clients-became "naturalized" in a sense: they learned the family history, gained an identity with important ancestors, and eventually took on a new Sonko identity." Dougweller ( talk) 10:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I propose that Africans be merged into this page, Ethnic groups in Africa. The topic is already covered here in greater detail. This will also bring it in line with European people, which redirects to Ethnic groups in Europe. Middayexpress ( talk) 00:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Horn of Africa in East Africa? If so where is East Africa like Kenya, etc. I think the Horn of Africa section should renamed to "East Africa" in-line with other sections in this article. A Bartenders Vegs ( talk) 17:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
All population figures need reliable sources. Hopefully these are in the original articles, but notwithstanding they need to be in this one as well. My experience is that without sources editors happily come along and change them to their preferred figures. They do this even when sourced, but at least we can check them when they are changed. Dougweller ( talk) 08:57, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I am specifically concerned about the change in the population figure for the Berbers in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, and Tunisia from 150 to 30+ million. I think the 30+ may be a more accurate figure, but I find the lack of a reliable source disturbing. The Berbers article lists the 30+ million figure, but the two citations are doubtful. See Talk:Berbers#Population. -- Bejnar ( talk) 03:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Should "African" redirect here? There are a great many things that are african without being ethnic groups: african mountain ranges, african food, african climate, african political organisations... Compare European and Asian, which are disambiguation pages. I almost linked an endangered african lizard here. The idea of the turquoise dwarf gecko belonging to a human ethnic group seems a bit silly, but it is undisputably african. HLHJ ( talk) 10:10, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Ethnic groups of Africa →
Native ethnic groups of Africa – article specifically discusses the many ethnic groups that are native to the African continent, however "ethnic group" as a term has a much broader meaning.
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from Cameroon were added to the tables, while the idea was to present the largest groups as an overview. Marcin862 ( talk) 16:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Ip, the see also link points to various global social constructs, not to an anthropological group. The actual anthropological type you are alluding to is Negroid, which is just one of several morphologies extant on the continent (alongside Caucasoid and Capoid). It is also already linked in the see also. Moreover, both the global social construct and two of these taxons exist in Asia too (alongside Australoid and Mongoloid). So for consistency, whatever is linked to here should be duplicated on ethnic groups of Asia. Soupforone ( talk) 15:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I understand. However, black is indeed a social construct (i.e. non-biological, societal concept) that varies globally. As with Asia, it is just one of several in use in Africa. There are also extant brown and white social constructs, including below the Sahara. Soupforone ( talk) 02:46, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
ItaloCelt84, most Chadic speakers today are actually of Sudanic origin and thus likely once spoke Nilo-Saharan languages. It is known from genetic analysis that they absorbed the original Chadic speakers, who instead appear to have had Western European affinities (deduced from the high frequencies of paternal haplogroup R1 among modern Chadic populations). On the other hand, most other local Afro-Asiatic speakers, whether above or below the Sahara, are indeed ancestrally related [4]. These biological ties are distinct from the black, brown and white social constructs, which have often changed and vary globally. The latter whimsical constructs are also not to be confused with the taxa of forensic anthropology, which I agree are instead mainly rooted in actual biology. Regards-- Soupforone ( talk) 15:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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The overview section is crucial, otherwise this becomes completely intractable.
We do have estimates available, it is just important to state these aren't much more accurate than "order of magnitude" (give or take a factor 2 or so). It is still important to report that the Bantu have of the order of 250 million people, while the Khoisan have of the order of 1 million, such differences are significant even if the estimates are only good for one order of magnitude (upon review [below], the actual 2016 count is closer to 330M, for an error bar of the order of 20%).
Populations are under-reported because censuses in sub-Saharan Africa are as good as impossible, and the best available ethnographic estimates in some cases date to the 1990s or even 1980s. Population growth is anyone's guess, and it was systemically underestimated in the past, so that historical estimates for "2000" extrapolated from 1980s data will already be too low before they are further extrapolated to the 2010s.
Bearing this in mind, we have perfectly good references giving the order of magnitude of populations, and the separation into phyla. At present, we can say (as of 2016 or "late 2010s"):
From this it is clear that Khoisan, Malagasy and European are negligible for total African population (well within the margin of error "1.2-1.3 billion") If Nilotic is rounded up to 100M (high estimate), we are left with 1,100 million (low estimate) for Afro-Asiatic plus Niger-Congo. UN projections limit Afro-Asiatic by:
So within the UN projections, 400M is already an upper limit for Afro-Asiatic. The lowest number for Niger-Congo compatible with the UN projections is therefore 700 million:
A total of 700M is more than 30% too high compared with the totals I have aggregated in the Niger-Congo page. A closer review will be needed to establish which groups had their growth most severely underestimated. But across the board, the updated figures for Niger-Congo will be close to:
The reason I am looking into this is that it has come to my attention that up to 300 milllion people are missing in our demographic estimates by ethnic or ethno-linguistic group. This is of the order of 4% of world population, or close to the entire population of the United States going unreported. In addition, the massive population growth in these populations means that the fraction of world population completely unaccounted for on Wikipedia is growing by the day. If I have ever seen a textbook case of Wikipedia:Systemic bias, this has got to be it.
I realise we cannot make up date that hasn't been reported anywhere, and indeed we have to be clear that these figures are estimates with margins of error of the order of 20% to 30%, but this doesn't excuse us from compiling such inaccurate data as there is and presenting it, for better or worse.
The bottom line is that population estimates the Bantu phylum, as the largest group, are most crucial and should be looked into first. There is an uncertainty of scores of millions of people just within Bantu (about "250-350M").
-- dab (𒁳) 11:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I did a list based on per-country demographic data here, and the sum comes almost exactly to 350M as of 2015 (350M in 2015 would result in about 380M in 2018). This may still be off by 10% or more, but at least that seems to be the ballpark figure. Help is appreciated in improving this. -- dab (𒁳) 09:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Nufu, nice of you to take an interest.
We are agreed that the state of this article is below unacceptable, and that it is a very difficult topic.
There can be gradual improvement, but it is pointles to roll back imperfect improvement attempts for not being perfect.
Instead, you are welcome to actually help in putting work into it, and by engaging with the general roadmap / topical outline I have collected above.
If you not show such engagement, I will assume you are unwilling or unable to put in the work and will try to do it to the best of my own ability.
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The information stating "Cape Coloured" is an Indo-Afrikaaner ethnic group is grossly wrong. There is no such ethnic group or race called "coloured". The term "coloured" is a derogatory, classification created by the old apartheid Afrikaaner government. There are no such a people as "coloured". This is empirical knowledge. The people that are discriminatory labeled as "coloured" are aboriginal descendants from the Khoi and San. 41.193.88.15 ( talk) 18:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
@ MrMan9700: If a discussion has to be started, the editor who wants to change should start it, in this case, that's you. Indo-European Afrikaans has been spoken in South Africa for more than 300 years, and it is listed in the book referenced at the end of the row in the table (pages 211 and 212 discuss it at length). -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 15:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Voice 197.239.6.241 ( talk) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
The data in the population totals have discrepancies with their respective hyperlinks. i.e. of 2020 both Yoruba people and Hausa people have an estimation of 50 million worldwide but one needs only to sum to see that their population in Africa alone surpasses 40 million.
The major ethnic groups per population rank is as follows (bold is current page revision):
Below minimum of 10 million:
-- Queen of Wa, friend of Wei ( talk) 06:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The first map shows the green area as Bantu, but the Volta-Niger area (home of Yoruba, Edo, Igbo etc. languages) is also colored green, making the impression those languages belong to the Bantu family. Is it possible to add a different map? Casa de Lancastre ( talk) 12:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
I think the title of this article is problematic, as I think people would expect a semi-exhaustive list including all ethnic groups that have a population over say 100,000. If the list itself is not expanded, then I think a more suitable name would just be Ethnic groups in Africa. I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward task to just look at countries' demographic pages and include populous ethnic groups, and possibly identify wider groupings. Please let me know what you think. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 16:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)