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Shouldn't Silver Lake and Sunset Junction be under Hollywood Area not Rampart Area?
Well thats somewhat subjective, although the Hollywood border is well east of Sunset/Hollywood boulevard split most would place the border with East Hollywood at that intersection. If the gentrification keeps up the northern parts of Rampart can be renamed New Westside.
Rampart Area generally refers to areas within the Rampart Division of the LAPD. Silver Lake is in the Northeast Division, not the Rampart Division. nobodynose 20:55, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree with "nobodynose". The term "Rampart Area" in Los Angeles is exclusively associated with the Rampart Division of the LAPD, and areas outside the Rampart Division are not considered part of the Rampart Area.
I'm starting an article, Mid-City Los Angeles, to describe the area of the city bounded by La Cienega, Melrose, Western, and the Santa Monica Freeway. -- Slightlyslack 09:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
If the name is not strictly backed by verifiable sources becareful because there are people out there that may just delete it, and i'm not referring to me. -- Daniel Romero Cruz 19:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This would be more helpful if it covered not just the LA city limits, but LA county. City vs. district vs. neighborhood matters very little to most people, and it seems odd not to include things like Burbank or Pasadena.
I'm not seeing the discussion that goes with the NPOV tag? Lisamh 18:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I see the bias, it focuses on racial stereotypes instead of what is the reality of the city. -- Daniel Romero Cruz 00:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone help clean up the orders of images so they don't "bleed" into other neighborhoods? Tagging is pain in the ass. ~~
It would help a lot to have a map showing at least approximate neighborhood boundaries, and other major features. -- Beland 01:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It would also help if the map wasn't from 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.25.110 ( talk) 03:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I added the Flower District reference to the list of neighborhood areas. Am unskilled in Wiki and asking for others to add info re: the various flower market major locations, thanks.- xibee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xibee ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hidden as long, unreferenced list. Click to show.
* Sign exists, though the community has been clarified as the “Arts District”
** Not on original list of June 2005.
*** Green; joint with LA County
**** Lincoln Heights has two version of the sign, but it’s still one community.
Officially designated communities where the signs are missing, cannot be found (have yet to be photographed), or have yet to be installed:]]
Source: http://lacitynerd.blogspot.com/2007/05/officially-designated-communities-of.html jengod 15:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Franklin Village should be included in the main article. ThreeRocks ( talk) 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Renaming the article to "Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles" is more appropriate than having an article devoted to a list. The article pretty much grew into an encyclopedic review of Los Angeles communities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernalfox ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article "the city (of L.A.) has not officially defined the boundaries of those communities". If so, which criteria follows the mentioning of neighborhoods and their arrangement to larger city areas in this article? I don't want to be too critical about this, but I'm just interested and it seems to me, that this is not totally clarified in the text. -- Gamgee ( talk) 11:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Morningside Park should be listed as an area within Inglewood California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3301:2400:2847:A65F:2165:55E3 ( talk) 01:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
The San Fernando Valley section of this article says, "It comprises about forty percent of the city's area and population." If you go to the
San Fernando Valley article, it says, "More than half of the land area of the city of Los Angeles lies within the San Fernando Valley." Obviously both statements can't be true. Just from looking at a map I'm inclined to believe the second statement, but I'm not going to change the article just based on that. Hopefully someone knows where to find a reliable source for this.
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I find this entry a mess. I came here to rapidly determine in which city counsel district I reside in order to navigate to my incumbent councilman's website. For those growing numbers of us who rely heavily on Wiki, this title is an obvious starting point for such a search. However, the term "district" is used so offhand here that it isn't even clear if the red boundary lines on the map view "larger map" represent Los Angeles' chartered governmental districts, zip codes, area code regions or what. The left column list provides traditional names, but doesn't indicate each district's official number designation. A visitor might even want to know locate "the 6th District" sooner than discover its traditional name. Where is this information? Can anybody look at that map and easily point out, say, the 4th District? After all, the title of this entry includes the keyword "districts." Lastly, it would be a great asset to include links to each District's official website, assuming incumbents don't change them... Or, if so, a search function script could work in the background to auto-search for the current site's URL and reset the link to it. Mykstor ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Serious suggestion: Use the L.A. Times Mapping L.A. pages to define the L.A. City and County neighborhoods within Wikipedia. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/. I would be glad to start the makeover (through article rewrites and redireccts) if this procedure gains consensus here or elsewhere. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 19:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, back to the original purpose of this thread: I think that Mapping L.A. can be used as a reliable source, but there could be other sources as well, like the Thomas Guide, although Thomas does not give community boundaries. What are not reliable sources are homeowners' association blogs and other less-than-reliable sources. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 01:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
This list has a lot of unsourced text in it. I propose to challenge and remove such text in 30 days; that is, on or after May 19, 2013. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 05:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I would like to alphabetize this list to make it easier for people to find any given neighborhood on it? Does anybody object? GeorgeLouis ( talk) 02:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
About where the East side starts. Perhaps watchers of this page have an opinion?— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 00:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
The Wilshire Park page has been redirected to Koreatown. All attempts to restore the page have been suppressed by the editor of the Ktown page, with warring and a false complaint about "conflict of interest." The editor has been bullying and threatening anyone who tries to correct this. A new page has been started, immediately tagged by this editor for "speedy deletion." This is suppression. And worse, this is the second time this has occurred - it started in 2010 with the passage of City Council f ile 90-0606, which established the boundaries for Koreatown after strong public protest. Mapping LA's inexplicable and factually unsubstantiated definition of Koreatown has encouraged this kind cyber war. Denying Wilshire Park an identity on Wikipedia is wrong. We are not in Koreatown - we are half a mile from Koreatown with a neighborhood between us and the established boundary. Until Koretown Los Angeles changes its behavior, I would suggest that both Wilshire Park AND Koreatown be removed from this list, since both are now factually incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WayBackHomes ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC) WayBackHomes ( talk) 16:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Because of an objection, I have unmerged the two articles referred to in the section above, so I now propose that Wilshire Park, Los Angeles, be merged into Koreatown, Los Angeles. The content in the Wilshire Park article can easily be explained in the context of Koreatown, and the Koreatown article is of such a size that the merging of Wilshire Park into it will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Although there is some relevant discussion already on this page (in the section just above), anything new should go below. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 15:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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A number of names linked to articles are tagged "citation needed"? Why is sourcing needed for a name that links to an article? I propose to remove all such tags in this article - approve/oppose? WCCasey ( talk) 16:01, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
If an article exists describing a district/neighborhood with a particular name, that's sufficient sourcing to be on a list like this one. If a lack of sourcing needs to be tagged, it should be done in the original article, not on this list. Sources found should also be noted in the original article, not on this list. If a neighborhood name is found to be not real, the name's article should be nominated for deletion per WP:DP, and the name can then be removed from this list. WCCasey ( talk) 22:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
An article Virgil Village did exist in the German language Wikipedia since 2007. After an AfD debate, I have today replaced that article with a redirect, thus closing the debate in my capacity as a sysop. The corresponding English language article Virgil Village, Los Angeles has been prodded and deleted here in 2013. I would be innterested in the current views of active contributors to the English language Wikipedia (and presumably people knowledgable about L.A.) on the notability of Virgil Village. Would you consider revisiting the decsion? A point of contention in our debate has been the recognition of Virgil Village as one of six districts within the East Hollywood Neighborhood Council. -- Minderbinder ( talk) 11:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@ BeenAroundAWhile: Greetings! Regarding this revert... WP:CITESTYLE has general guidance. There a three reasons to change the style here. First, the article uses inconsistent styles for citations, some with Wikipedia's standard clickable footnotes and some with non-standard superscript markup. Second, the clickable footnotes make it easy for readers to jump to the cited source, or see the citation when hovering, so I think that's preferred. Third, the superscript notation looks more like stylized or technical text (like a chemistry formula) rather than a footnote, both to readers familiar with Wikipedia and automated spell checkers (which is how I ended up here). -- Beland ( talk) 21:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
This conversation was originally on User talk:Beland. Moving here because it has pointers to sources and so it can be removed from my list of unread messages. -- Beland ( talk) 19:59, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I see you made some changes to some Los Angeles neighborhoods and hope you don't mind if I explain a few things to you.
(1) Per the City of Los Angeles, neighborhoods are named by a specific process and then given official signage. These signs are noted on the wikipedia page Los Angeles Neighborhood Signs. LAist stated that these signs indicate “official L.A. neighborhood” designation [1] [2]
(2) The city of Los Angeles does not have different signs for neighborhoods that nest within larger neighborhoods. The city has posted Mid-City signs from just west of downtown to almost Culver City. Within Mid-City are other neighborhoods. Here is a photo of Mid-City signage [3], along with Mid-City Heights sign right behind it, placing it inside the borders of Mid-City.
(3) The same goes for Baldwin Hills and Baldwin Vista. As noted, Baldwin Vista is a "western Baldwin Hills neighborhood" [4]. But the city gives each of them their own neighborhood sign.
(4) This is where is gets messy!
A decade ago, The Los Angeles Times felt there were too many designated neighborhoods in Los Angeles. Indeed, you can drive down Olympic Boulevard and go past a handful of neighborhoods in a quarter mile. So, the Mapping L.A. project of the LA Times decided to redraw neighborhood lines. The LA Times Mapping Project reduced 472 neighborhoods down to 115.
The neighborhoods of Crenshaw and Baldwin Hills were combined into a new entity called Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw. (user Been Aroundawhile, a former reporter for the LA Times, was instrumental in adding these new entities to wikipedia and deleting the city designated neighborhoods - which were promptly added back in). And if you go through the citations on the Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw page, you will see that the only usage of the name "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" is used by the LA Times Mapping project; all other sources refer to the neighborhoods of either "Baldwin Hills" or "Crenshaw".
(5) Regarding Mapping L.A......please look at the geography section of Arlington Heights, Los Angeles. The city has documented its boundaries and placed neighborhood signage on the corners. But the Mapping L.A. project expands Arlington Heights past those boundaries, and combines it with Country Club Park and Angelus Vista. The Mapping L.A. project does that a lot - combining multiple neighborhoods under one name for the sake of simplicity -- that is, reducing 472 neighborhoods down to 115.
(6) Comparing this map [5] with the Mapping LA Project, Elizabeth Fuller wrote in the LarchmontBuzz [6] that "Many people who live in and represent their neighborhoods in various ways have objected to the Times’ designations for not following city-recognized borders.” She said that Brightwell's map was a much more fine-grained view of “every L.A. neighborhood.”
(7) It appears that in 2018, even the LA Times is not sticking to the "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" name that it created a decade earlier and now simply uses the name "Baldwin Hills" [4].
(8) please do not think this is just an issue with "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw". The Mapping Project has designated many neighborhoods that contradict city boundaries.
(9) Jenna Chandler, the editor of Curbed Los Angeles, wrote that Brightwell's map of 472 neighborhoods "looks more accurate than the neighborhood maps compiled by the Los Angeles Times." [7]
(10) I hope I have laid out everything clearly. I therefore strongly object to your wording on the Baldwin Hills page that "it is part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" without noting that Baldwin Hills is a city-named place and that Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw is a creation of the Los Angeles Times that neither the city nor other sources recognize. [8] To be accurate, it would have to be stated that "The LA Times mapping project combines Baldwin Hills and Crenshaw into the neighborhood of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw".
I hope that I have stated everything clearly. Yours, Phatblackmama ( talk) 18:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
It would be helpful to readers to sort this list geographically rather than alphabetically. Do any of these neighborhoods contain the others? Is the next level up the regions listed in Template:Los Angeles? -- Beland ( talk) 02:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Name | Region [3] [4] | Los Angeles City Council districts [5] | Neighborhood Council [6] | Notes |
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Palms | Westside | 5 | Palms Neighborhood Council | |
Westside Village | Westside | 5 | Mar Vista Community Council | |
Carthay Circle | Central Los Angeles | 5 | Mid City West Community Council | |
Jefferson Park | South Los Angeles | 8 | United Neighborhoods Neighborhood Council | |
Angelino Heights | Central Los Angeles | 1 | Echo Park Neighborhood Council | |
Chesterfield Square | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | |
Sawtelle, Los Angeles (incorporated part) | Westside | 11 | West Los Angeles Sawtelle Neighborhood Council [7] | |
Baldwin Hills | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Baldwin Vista | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills or Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Village Green | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | |
Baldwin Village | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Crenshaw or Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Crenshaw | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Crenshaw Manor | South Los Angeles | 10 | North Neighborhood Area Development Council [8] | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw (incorporated part)
|
South Los Angeles | 8 (mostly) and 10 (Crenshaw Manor) | Empowerment Congress West Area Neighborhood Development Council [9] & North Neighborhood Area Development Council (Crenshaw Manor) [10] |
Thanks for the effort. The chart looks, well, chart-like. I'll just make my points: (1) Trying to put Sawtelle, Los Angeles, into that chart, or choosing between Crenshaw, Los Angeles, and Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw, Los Angeles, would cause a great deal of dissension. What about Melrose Hill, Los Angeles? Who decides what area or region it's in? Same for Solano Canyon, Los Angeles — its article does not give the information required by the chart. (2) Some neighborhoods are divided between NCs. (3) The markup is much more complicated than the previous, which was simply divided into A-K and L-Z, and that was for ease of navigation. One loooong markup would be very, very difficult for most users to edit. But I’ve said enough. Thanks for reading. Oh, one more point: We need more input than the 3-4 editors who've been commenting so far. Best wishes to all. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 04:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Looks great. I approve. Redspork02 ( talk) 20:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
@ BeenAroundAWhile: To take those examples one at a time, I added Sawtelle to the chart as I think it should be, based on its article and the referenced sources (and my lack of native familiarity with LA geography). Since this is a list of neighborhoods of the city of Los Angeles, the part outside the city isn't really included in the scope of the list. It's informative to note neighborhoods that by some definitions extend outside of the city, and I've implied that in the table. Does that make sense? -- Beland ( talk) 05:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I have added the Baldwin Hill area neighborhoods into the chart individually. The list remains sortable by neighborhood council and council district. The nesting used in the next section does not allow for this, as it lists multiple neighborhood councils and multiple council districts. Phatblackmama ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Can someone kindly summarize the points of discussion here? Thank you. -- Precision123 ( talk) 23:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
It would be help to explain the boundaries of Crenshaw Manor in a stub article or a section of the Crenshaw, Los Angeles article. It looks like there might not be a place that is just "Crenshaw" and not part of some other thing, as the Brightwell map has a neighborhood called Crenshaw Manor, but nothing called Crenshaw (but it says certain neighborhoods are part of the Crenshaw area). Google Maps considers "Crenshaw" to include everything in Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw east of South La Brea Ave, plus some blocks north of West Jefferson Boulevard. The Brightwell map considers most of the blocks southwest of MLK to be in Baldwin Hills, and Google Maps considers that to be Crenshaw, so maybe that's why the LA Times just calls it "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw", because people really do use both names for some overlapping territory. Google Maps unhelpfully considers Crenshaw Manor to be an apartment building and Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw to be a mall. -- Beland ( talk) 02:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
BeenAroundAWhile, I happened to see this entry in an edit summary and remembered there is an article. It's currently a part of Chinatown, but there is a community memory of it. If past neighborhoods aren't part of the main list, perhaps a Past section for historical neighborhoods could be created. I re-added the entry with a wikilink to the list. If I'm mistaken about any of this rv and reply. Hope things are well. // Timothy :: talk 23:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I am not from US, but that is a name I always remember because it sounds funny. Surely this should be on the list right? 92.238.237.65 ( talk) 14:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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Shouldn't Silver Lake and Sunset Junction be under Hollywood Area not Rampart Area?
Well thats somewhat subjective, although the Hollywood border is well east of Sunset/Hollywood boulevard split most would place the border with East Hollywood at that intersection. If the gentrification keeps up the northern parts of Rampart can be renamed New Westside.
Rampart Area generally refers to areas within the Rampart Division of the LAPD. Silver Lake is in the Northeast Division, not the Rampart Division. nobodynose 20:55, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I tend to agree with "nobodynose". The term "Rampart Area" in Los Angeles is exclusively associated with the Rampart Division of the LAPD, and areas outside the Rampart Division are not considered part of the Rampart Area.
I'm starting an article, Mid-City Los Angeles, to describe the area of the city bounded by La Cienega, Melrose, Western, and the Santa Monica Freeway. -- Slightlyslack 09:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
If the name is not strictly backed by verifiable sources becareful because there are people out there that may just delete it, and i'm not referring to me. -- Daniel Romero Cruz 19:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
This would be more helpful if it covered not just the LA city limits, but LA county. City vs. district vs. neighborhood matters very little to most people, and it seems odd not to include things like Burbank or Pasadena.
I'm not seeing the discussion that goes with the NPOV tag? Lisamh 18:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I see the bias, it focuses on racial stereotypes instead of what is the reality of the city. -- Daniel Romero Cruz 00:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone help clean up the orders of images so they don't "bleed" into other neighborhoods? Tagging is pain in the ass. ~~
It would help a lot to have a map showing at least approximate neighborhood boundaries, and other major features. -- Beland 01:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
It would also help if the map wasn't from 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.25.110 ( talk) 03:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I added the Flower District reference to the list of neighborhood areas. Am unskilled in Wiki and asking for others to add info re: the various flower market major locations, thanks.- xibee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xibee ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Hidden as long, unreferenced list. Click to show.
* Sign exists, though the community has been clarified as the “Arts District”
** Not on original list of June 2005.
*** Green; joint with LA County
**** Lincoln Heights has two version of the sign, but it’s still one community.
Officially designated communities where the signs are missing, cannot be found (have yet to be photographed), or have yet to be installed:]]
Source: http://lacitynerd.blogspot.com/2007/05/officially-designated-communities-of.html jengod 15:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Franklin Village should be included in the main article. ThreeRocks ( talk) 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Renaming the article to "Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles" is more appropriate than having an article devoted to a list. The article pretty much grew into an encyclopedic review of Los Angeles communities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infernalfox ( talk • contribs) 23:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article "the city (of L.A.) has not officially defined the boundaries of those communities". If so, which criteria follows the mentioning of neighborhoods and their arrangement to larger city areas in this article? I don't want to be too critical about this, but I'm just interested and it seems to me, that this is not totally clarified in the text. -- Gamgee ( talk) 11:36, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Morningside Park should be listed as an area within Inglewood California. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3301:2400:2847:A65F:2165:55E3 ( talk) 01:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
The San Fernando Valley section of this article says, "It comprises about forty percent of the city's area and population." If you go to the
San Fernando Valley article, it says, "More than half of the land area of the city of Los Angeles lies within the San Fernando Valley." Obviously both statements can't be true. Just from looking at a map I'm inclined to believe the second statement, but I'm not going to change the article just based on that. Hopefully someone knows where to find a reliable source for this.
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I find this entry a mess. I came here to rapidly determine in which city counsel district I reside in order to navigate to my incumbent councilman's website. For those growing numbers of us who rely heavily on Wiki, this title is an obvious starting point for such a search. However, the term "district" is used so offhand here that it isn't even clear if the red boundary lines on the map view "larger map" represent Los Angeles' chartered governmental districts, zip codes, area code regions or what. The left column list provides traditional names, but doesn't indicate each district's official number designation. A visitor might even want to know locate "the 6th District" sooner than discover its traditional name. Where is this information? Can anybody look at that map and easily point out, say, the 4th District? After all, the title of this entry includes the keyword "districts." Lastly, it would be a great asset to include links to each District's official website, assuming incumbents don't change them... Or, if so, a search function script could work in the background to auto-search for the current site's URL and reset the link to it. Mykstor ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Serious suggestion: Use the L.A. Times Mapping L.A. pages to define the L.A. City and County neighborhoods within Wikipedia. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/. I would be glad to start the makeover (through article rewrites and redireccts) if this procedure gains consensus here or elsewhere. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 19:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, back to the original purpose of this thread: I think that Mapping L.A. can be used as a reliable source, but there could be other sources as well, like the Thomas Guide, although Thomas does not give community boundaries. What are not reliable sources are homeowners' association blogs and other less-than-reliable sources. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 01:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
This list has a lot of unsourced text in it. I propose to challenge and remove such text in 30 days; that is, on or after May 19, 2013. Yours, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 05:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I would like to alphabetize this list to make it easier for people to find any given neighborhood on it? Does anybody object? GeorgeLouis ( talk) 02:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
About where the East side starts. Perhaps watchers of this page have an opinion?— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 00:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
The Wilshire Park page has been redirected to Koreatown. All attempts to restore the page have been suppressed by the editor of the Ktown page, with warring and a false complaint about "conflict of interest." The editor has been bullying and threatening anyone who tries to correct this. A new page has been started, immediately tagged by this editor for "speedy deletion." This is suppression. And worse, this is the second time this has occurred - it started in 2010 with the passage of City Council f ile 90-0606, which established the boundaries for Koreatown after strong public protest. Mapping LA's inexplicable and factually unsubstantiated definition of Koreatown has encouraged this kind cyber war. Denying Wilshire Park an identity on Wikipedia is wrong. We are not in Koreatown - we are half a mile from Koreatown with a neighborhood between us and the established boundary. Until Koretown Los Angeles changes its behavior, I would suggest that both Wilshire Park AND Koreatown be removed from this list, since both are now factually incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WayBackHomes ( talk • contribs) 16:43, 21 March 2016 (UTC) WayBackHomes ( talk) 16:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Because of an objection, I have unmerged the two articles referred to in the section above, so I now propose that Wilshire Park, Los Angeles, be merged into Koreatown, Los Angeles. The content in the Wilshire Park article can easily be explained in the context of Koreatown, and the Koreatown article is of such a size that the merging of Wilshire Park into it will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Although there is some relevant discussion already on this page (in the section just above), anything new should go below. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 15:49, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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A number of names linked to articles are tagged "citation needed"? Why is sourcing needed for a name that links to an article? I propose to remove all such tags in this article - approve/oppose? WCCasey ( talk) 16:01, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
If an article exists describing a district/neighborhood with a particular name, that's sufficient sourcing to be on a list like this one. If a lack of sourcing needs to be tagged, it should be done in the original article, not on this list. Sources found should also be noted in the original article, not on this list. If a neighborhood name is found to be not real, the name's article should be nominated for deletion per WP:DP, and the name can then be removed from this list. WCCasey ( talk) 22:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
An article Virgil Village did exist in the German language Wikipedia since 2007. After an AfD debate, I have today replaced that article with a redirect, thus closing the debate in my capacity as a sysop. The corresponding English language article Virgil Village, Los Angeles has been prodded and deleted here in 2013. I would be innterested in the current views of active contributors to the English language Wikipedia (and presumably people knowledgable about L.A.) on the notability of Virgil Village. Would you consider revisiting the decsion? A point of contention in our debate has been the recognition of Virgil Village as one of six districts within the East Hollywood Neighborhood Council. -- Minderbinder ( talk) 11:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@ BeenAroundAWhile: Greetings! Regarding this revert... WP:CITESTYLE has general guidance. There a three reasons to change the style here. First, the article uses inconsistent styles for citations, some with Wikipedia's standard clickable footnotes and some with non-standard superscript markup. Second, the clickable footnotes make it easy for readers to jump to the cited source, or see the citation when hovering, so I think that's preferred. Third, the superscript notation looks more like stylized or technical text (like a chemistry formula) rather than a footnote, both to readers familiar with Wikipedia and automated spell checkers (which is how I ended up here). -- Beland ( talk) 21:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
This conversation was originally on User talk:Beland. Moving here because it has pointers to sources and so it can be removed from my list of unread messages. -- Beland ( talk) 19:59, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I see you made some changes to some Los Angeles neighborhoods and hope you don't mind if I explain a few things to you.
(1) Per the City of Los Angeles, neighborhoods are named by a specific process and then given official signage. These signs are noted on the wikipedia page Los Angeles Neighborhood Signs. LAist stated that these signs indicate “official L.A. neighborhood” designation [1] [2]
(2) The city of Los Angeles does not have different signs for neighborhoods that nest within larger neighborhoods. The city has posted Mid-City signs from just west of downtown to almost Culver City. Within Mid-City are other neighborhoods. Here is a photo of Mid-City signage [3], along with Mid-City Heights sign right behind it, placing it inside the borders of Mid-City.
(3) The same goes for Baldwin Hills and Baldwin Vista. As noted, Baldwin Vista is a "western Baldwin Hills neighborhood" [4]. But the city gives each of them their own neighborhood sign.
(4) This is where is gets messy!
A decade ago, The Los Angeles Times felt there were too many designated neighborhoods in Los Angeles. Indeed, you can drive down Olympic Boulevard and go past a handful of neighborhoods in a quarter mile. So, the Mapping L.A. project of the LA Times decided to redraw neighborhood lines. The LA Times Mapping Project reduced 472 neighborhoods down to 115.
The neighborhoods of Crenshaw and Baldwin Hills were combined into a new entity called Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw. (user Been Aroundawhile, a former reporter for the LA Times, was instrumental in adding these new entities to wikipedia and deleting the city designated neighborhoods - which were promptly added back in). And if you go through the citations on the Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw page, you will see that the only usage of the name "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" is used by the LA Times Mapping project; all other sources refer to the neighborhoods of either "Baldwin Hills" or "Crenshaw".
(5) Regarding Mapping L.A......please look at the geography section of Arlington Heights, Los Angeles. The city has documented its boundaries and placed neighborhood signage on the corners. But the Mapping L.A. project expands Arlington Heights past those boundaries, and combines it with Country Club Park and Angelus Vista. The Mapping L.A. project does that a lot - combining multiple neighborhoods under one name for the sake of simplicity -- that is, reducing 472 neighborhoods down to 115.
(6) Comparing this map [5] with the Mapping LA Project, Elizabeth Fuller wrote in the LarchmontBuzz [6] that "Many people who live in and represent their neighborhoods in various ways have objected to the Times’ designations for not following city-recognized borders.” She said that Brightwell's map was a much more fine-grained view of “every L.A. neighborhood.”
(7) It appears that in 2018, even the LA Times is not sticking to the "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" name that it created a decade earlier and now simply uses the name "Baldwin Hills" [4].
(8) please do not think this is just an issue with "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw". The Mapping Project has designated many neighborhoods that contradict city boundaries.
(9) Jenna Chandler, the editor of Curbed Los Angeles, wrote that Brightwell's map of 472 neighborhoods "looks more accurate than the neighborhood maps compiled by the Los Angeles Times." [7]
(10) I hope I have laid out everything clearly. I therefore strongly object to your wording on the Baldwin Hills page that "it is part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw" without noting that Baldwin Hills is a city-named place and that Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw is a creation of the Los Angeles Times that neither the city nor other sources recognize. [8] To be accurate, it would have to be stated that "The LA Times mapping project combines Baldwin Hills and Crenshaw into the neighborhood of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw".
I hope that I have stated everything clearly. Yours, Phatblackmama ( talk) 18:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
It would be helpful to readers to sort this list geographically rather than alphabetically. Do any of these neighborhoods contain the others? Is the next level up the regions listed in Template:Los Angeles? -- Beland ( talk) 02:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Name | Region [3] [4] | Los Angeles City Council districts [5] | Neighborhood Council [6] | Notes |
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Palms | Westside | 5 | Palms Neighborhood Council | |
Westside Village | Westside | 5 | Mar Vista Community Council | |
Carthay Circle | Central Los Angeles | 5 | Mid City West Community Council | |
Jefferson Park | South Los Angeles | 8 | United Neighborhoods Neighborhood Council | |
Angelino Heights | Central Los Angeles | 1 | Echo Park Neighborhood Council | |
Chesterfield Square | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | |
Sawtelle, Los Angeles (incorporated part) | Westside | 11 | West Los Angeles Sawtelle Neighborhood Council [7] | |
Baldwin Hills | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Baldwin Vista | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills or Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Village Green | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | |
Baldwin Village | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Crenshaw or Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Crenshaw | South Los Angeles | 8 | Empowerment Congress Central Area Neighborhood Development Council | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Crenshaw Manor | South Los Angeles | 10 | North Neighborhood Area Development Council [8] | sometimes considered part of Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw |
Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw (incorporated part)
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South Los Angeles | 8 (mostly) and 10 (Crenshaw Manor) | Empowerment Congress West Area Neighborhood Development Council [9] & North Neighborhood Area Development Council (Crenshaw Manor) [10] |
Thanks for the effort. The chart looks, well, chart-like. I'll just make my points: (1) Trying to put Sawtelle, Los Angeles, into that chart, or choosing between Crenshaw, Los Angeles, and Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw, Los Angeles, would cause a great deal of dissension. What about Melrose Hill, Los Angeles? Who decides what area or region it's in? Same for Solano Canyon, Los Angeles — its article does not give the information required by the chart. (2) Some neighborhoods are divided between NCs. (3) The markup is much more complicated than the previous, which was simply divided into A-K and L-Z, and that was for ease of navigation. One loooong markup would be very, very difficult for most users to edit. But I’ve said enough. Thanks for reading. Oh, one more point: We need more input than the 3-4 editors who've been commenting so far. Best wishes to all. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 04:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Looks great. I approve. Redspork02 ( talk) 20:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
@ BeenAroundAWhile: To take those examples one at a time, I added Sawtelle to the chart as I think it should be, based on its article and the referenced sources (and my lack of native familiarity with LA geography). Since this is a list of neighborhoods of the city of Los Angeles, the part outside the city isn't really included in the scope of the list. It's informative to note neighborhoods that by some definitions extend outside of the city, and I've implied that in the table. Does that make sense? -- Beland ( talk) 05:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
I have added the Baldwin Hill area neighborhoods into the chart individually. The list remains sortable by neighborhood council and council district. The nesting used in the next section does not allow for this, as it lists multiple neighborhood councils and multiple council districts. Phatblackmama ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Can someone kindly summarize the points of discussion here? Thank you. -- Precision123 ( talk) 23:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
It would be help to explain the boundaries of Crenshaw Manor in a stub article or a section of the Crenshaw, Los Angeles article. It looks like there might not be a place that is just "Crenshaw" and not part of some other thing, as the Brightwell map has a neighborhood called Crenshaw Manor, but nothing called Crenshaw (but it says certain neighborhoods are part of the Crenshaw area). Google Maps considers "Crenshaw" to include everything in Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw east of South La Brea Ave, plus some blocks north of West Jefferson Boulevard. The Brightwell map considers most of the blocks southwest of MLK to be in Baldwin Hills, and Google Maps considers that to be Crenshaw, so maybe that's why the LA Times just calls it "Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw", because people really do use both names for some overlapping territory. Google Maps unhelpfully considers Crenshaw Manor to be an apartment building and Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw to be a mall. -- Beland ( talk) 02:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
BeenAroundAWhile, I happened to see this entry in an edit summary and remembered there is an article. It's currently a part of Chinatown, but there is a community memory of it. If past neighborhoods aren't part of the main list, perhaps a Past section for historical neighborhoods could be created. I re-added the entry with a wikilink to the list. If I'm mistaken about any of this rv and reply. Hope things are well. // Timothy :: talk 23:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I am not from US, but that is a name I always remember because it sounds funny. Surely this should be on the list right? 92.238.237.65 ( talk) 14:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)