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This seems to be a catchall category that reflects people holding to very different perspectives and views. Combining these viewpoints into a single category is not a neutral point of view. It reflects the political desires of some rather than the perspectives of those who self identify in these thought traditions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.103 ( talk) 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
More likely you just don't want to accept the fact that the most religious countries are also the absolute bottom of the barrel on the HDI lists. -- ||bass ( talk) 00:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I do accept that ... the problem is that spiritualist and an agnostic are not the same category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.103 ( talk) 23:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Margin of error FYI, the standard error for 1000 people (at 50%) is 1.6%. The 1.3B or 35M is irrelevant.
This article takes in consideration just three polls, there are many more, sometimes made by local institutes or by census and thus are more accurate, these should by included too. -- DrkFrdric ( talk) 16:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Under the title 'By population' the country Estonia is listed twice. Maybe these two entries 'Estonia 657,580' and 'Estonia 147,620' should be merged, or maybe one of them should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Termgrauzis ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"(encompassing atheism, agnosticism, ignosticism, antireligion, skepticism, freethought, antitheism, apatheism, non-belief, secular humanism, or deism)" apparent attempt to force somekinda "spiritual not religious" into a series which is otherwise uniformly a rejection of that. Great to see the Dentsu result, refutes idiots who apparently seem to think Chinese "just have to be religious some way". When I explain that literate Chinese ceased to believe these things in European classical times it's like they just can't grasp it. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 15:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article "Irreligion" talks about 36% nonreligious. Here it's 16%, huge difference. -- 77.1.153.154 ( talk) 18:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
In 2011,
Knowledge Examiner updated the Gallup Poll figures in the Countries table to 2006-2011 results.
[1] Ever since, individual figures have been changed and sometimes changed, some several times. All the changes I've examined have had poor explanations or none at all. Some have been by IPs or editors with very brief contribution histories. Knowledge Examiner's other contributions seem to have been carefully commented and even meticulous. Though I can't access the Gallup Analytics data they used (and I've searched quite hard through the publicly available data more than once), I have much more confidence in Knowledge Examiner's work than changes such as reducing Ecuador's figure from 21% to 2%,
[2] especially now that I see WIN-Gallup reported 29%.
I think the best I can do is restore the Gallup figures to their original values. Does that seem sensible?
NebY (
talk)
22:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
It's noticeable that one of the vandals, 217.22.190.225 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) who repeatedly changed the Malta figure from 14% to 1% [3] [4] [5] [6], also edited [7] the same sentence in the lede into which 141.8.61.233 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) inserted a false figure [8] and is now edit-warring over. [9] [10] [11]. NebY ( talk) 16:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
The link in the table is dead, but I found this link http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx#2 that has a breakdown of religiosity in different countries. However, the numbers differ somewhat, which means either that there's another source or that somebody changed the numbers to fit their POV. If we can't find the corrext source I think that the columns should be deleted or changed to fit the source we have. Comments? Sjö ( talk) 11:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
217.22.190.233, please explain your recent edits. Why do you remove important details? JimRenge ( talk) 13:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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this map is for the old data from 2006 that is about 12-13 years ago! I think the map had better change to the WIN\GIA new data. SerendiPity ( talk) 08:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The irreligion article has a similar list, with different numbers, which seems like a WP:REDUNDANTFORK, and a bad idea... I suggest that they should be combined, and there should only be one such list here. It can be linked to from the main article. For some countries, that list uses Pew Research figures from their 2015 report "The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050", a summary table is here: [13]. The numbers differ greatly in some cases from other sources, for example for India, Dentsu gives 7%, while Pew gives 0.05%. Is there any reason not to have another column for the Pew figures in this article? The other list also has a number of individual sources for some countries, in some cases multiple ones. Maybe another column for "other"? Finally, it's clear that numerous people have been "fudging" the numbers in that table, changing them arbitrarily in contradiction to the given sources, so care would have to be taken to check them. Comments? -- IamNotU ( talk) 11:03, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
"The religiously unaffiliated population, sometimes called the “nones,” includes those who self-identify as atheists or agnostics as well as people who say their religion is “nothing in particular.” Some religiously unaffiliated people do hold religious or spiritual beliefs."(my emphasis) footnote 42
The WinGallup data for Turkey is very strange; it changes from around 15% to around 75% between 2012 and 2015. I think this is very unlikely to be a real change, and the fact that WinGallup reports these numbers should call them into question as a data source.
Reallyeli ( talk) 06:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
It's worth remembering that the various studies have very different methodologies and frameworks. Some may include a question about religion in general state-of-the nation/world surveys.Some may specifically study the growth of outright atheism or of atheism and agnosticism together, or consider people who do not have religious beliefs. Pew Templeton's framework is in part a reaction to that, rather as we also see with the Tempeton Prize's interest in the intersection of science and religion and in prominent scientists' religious beliefs. Among other things, Pew uses a broader category of unaffiliated, rather than irreligious, which facilitates a view that many who are not normally counted as religious do in fact have religious beliefs, explicitly or implicitly in occasional religious practices. Pew's statements about that category don't apply to the categories studied by others, and may be open to sharp questions about whether eg attendance at a family wedding counts as religious observance. In summarising different results, we need to take care not to blend these different approaches. NebY ( talk) 20:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Ramos1990, the title of this page is irreligion by country. The section “countries and regions” is about irreligion and has different studies from different years. So how can the next section “by population” only include atheists? The description in the section says “the percentage of non-religious people according to Zuckerman” so of course I can include a column for the amount of non religious people according to Pew. Foorgood ( talk) 17:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
References
China’s population is 1.338 billion in 2010 and it is stated that 200 million people are non religious in China. The map shows China having a nonreligious region over 50%. The shading appears to be in the >50% region. 68.170.74.232 ( talk) 04:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
The map used at the top of the page doesn't provide its origin ( https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projection-table/), but would appear to be based on official church registration rather than any survey or census of religious belief. See for instance the very low level of irreligion in Denmark. I would suggest using this image, until more recent data can be found: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Irreligion_map.png Fedjmike ( talk) 03:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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This seems to be a catchall category that reflects people holding to very different perspectives and views. Combining these viewpoints into a single category is not a neutral point of view. It reflects the political desires of some rather than the perspectives of those who self identify in these thought traditions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.103 ( talk) 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
More likely you just don't want to accept the fact that the most religious countries are also the absolute bottom of the barrel on the HDI lists. -- ||bass ( talk) 00:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I do accept that ... the problem is that spiritualist and an agnostic are not the same category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.103 ( talk) 23:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Margin of error FYI, the standard error for 1000 people (at 50%) is 1.6%. The 1.3B or 35M is irrelevant.
This article takes in consideration just three polls, there are many more, sometimes made by local institutes or by census and thus are more accurate, these should by included too. -- DrkFrdric ( talk) 16:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Under the title 'By population' the country Estonia is listed twice. Maybe these two entries 'Estonia 657,580' and 'Estonia 147,620' should be merged, or maybe one of them should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Termgrauzis ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"(encompassing atheism, agnosticism, ignosticism, antireligion, skepticism, freethought, antitheism, apatheism, non-belief, secular humanism, or deism)" apparent attempt to force somekinda "spiritual not religious" into a series which is otherwise uniformly a rejection of that. Great to see the Dentsu result, refutes idiots who apparently seem to think Chinese "just have to be religious some way". When I explain that literate Chinese ceased to believe these things in European classical times it's like they just can't grasp it. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 15:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article "Irreligion" talks about 36% nonreligious. Here it's 16%, huge difference. -- 77.1.153.154 ( talk) 18:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
In 2011,
Knowledge Examiner updated the Gallup Poll figures in the Countries table to 2006-2011 results.
[1] Ever since, individual figures have been changed and sometimes changed, some several times. All the changes I've examined have had poor explanations or none at all. Some have been by IPs or editors with very brief contribution histories. Knowledge Examiner's other contributions seem to have been carefully commented and even meticulous. Though I can't access the Gallup Analytics data they used (and I've searched quite hard through the publicly available data more than once), I have much more confidence in Knowledge Examiner's work than changes such as reducing Ecuador's figure from 21% to 2%,
[2] especially now that I see WIN-Gallup reported 29%.
I think the best I can do is restore the Gallup figures to their original values. Does that seem sensible?
NebY (
talk)
22:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
It's noticeable that one of the vandals, 217.22.190.225 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) who repeatedly changed the Malta figure from 14% to 1% [3] [4] [5] [6], also edited [7] the same sentence in the lede into which 141.8.61.233 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) inserted a false figure [8] and is now edit-warring over. [9] [10] [11]. NebY ( talk) 16:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
The link in the table is dead, but I found this link http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx#2 that has a breakdown of religiosity in different countries. However, the numbers differ somewhat, which means either that there's another source or that somebody changed the numbers to fit their POV. If we can't find the corrext source I think that the columns should be deleted or changed to fit the source we have. Comments? Sjö ( talk) 11:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
217.22.190.233, please explain your recent edits. Why do you remove important details? JimRenge ( talk) 13:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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this map is for the old data from 2006 that is about 12-13 years ago! I think the map had better change to the WIN\GIA new data. SerendiPity ( talk) 08:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
The irreligion article has a similar list, with different numbers, which seems like a WP:REDUNDANTFORK, and a bad idea... I suggest that they should be combined, and there should only be one such list here. It can be linked to from the main article. For some countries, that list uses Pew Research figures from their 2015 report "The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050", a summary table is here: [13]. The numbers differ greatly in some cases from other sources, for example for India, Dentsu gives 7%, while Pew gives 0.05%. Is there any reason not to have another column for the Pew figures in this article? The other list also has a number of individual sources for some countries, in some cases multiple ones. Maybe another column for "other"? Finally, it's clear that numerous people have been "fudging" the numbers in that table, changing them arbitrarily in contradiction to the given sources, so care would have to be taken to check them. Comments? -- IamNotU ( talk) 11:03, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
"The religiously unaffiliated population, sometimes called the “nones,” includes those who self-identify as atheists or agnostics as well as people who say their religion is “nothing in particular.” Some religiously unaffiliated people do hold religious or spiritual beliefs."(my emphasis) footnote 42
The WinGallup data for Turkey is very strange; it changes from around 15% to around 75% between 2012 and 2015. I think this is very unlikely to be a real change, and the fact that WinGallup reports these numbers should call them into question as a data source.
Reallyeli ( talk) 06:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
It's worth remembering that the various studies have very different methodologies and frameworks. Some may include a question about religion in general state-of-the nation/world surveys.Some may specifically study the growth of outright atheism or of atheism and agnosticism together, or consider people who do not have religious beliefs. Pew Templeton's framework is in part a reaction to that, rather as we also see with the Tempeton Prize's interest in the intersection of science and religion and in prominent scientists' religious beliefs. Among other things, Pew uses a broader category of unaffiliated, rather than irreligious, which facilitates a view that many who are not normally counted as religious do in fact have religious beliefs, explicitly or implicitly in occasional religious practices. Pew's statements about that category don't apply to the categories studied by others, and may be open to sharp questions about whether eg attendance at a family wedding counts as religious observance. In summarising different results, we need to take care not to blend these different approaches. NebY ( talk) 20:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Ramos1990, the title of this page is irreligion by country. The section “countries and regions” is about irreligion and has different studies from different years. So how can the next section “by population” only include atheists? The description in the section says “the percentage of non-religious people according to Zuckerman” so of course I can include a column for the amount of non religious people according to Pew. Foorgood ( talk) 17:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
References
China’s population is 1.338 billion in 2010 and it is stated that 200 million people are non religious in China. The map shows China having a nonreligious region over 50%. The shading appears to be in the >50% region. 68.170.74.232 ( talk) 04:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
The map used at the top of the page doesn't provide its origin ( https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projection-table/), but would appear to be based on official church registration rather than any survey or census of religious belief. See for instance the very low level of irreligion in Denmark. I would suggest using this image, until more recent data can be found: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Irreligion_map.png Fedjmike ( talk) 03:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)