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I've made some fixes to the demographics list, but it's still not in great shape. The List of countries by irreligion is better, as it shows multiple sources. I suggest merging this list into that one, to avoid a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. See discussion at Talk:List of countries by irreligion § Adding figures from Pew, merging from irreligion article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 11:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Why is this article part of WikiProject: Atheism if the article itself testifies that irreligion and atheism are not the same? Primal Groudon ( talk) 01:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I removed the a paragraph on speculation on the future trends of theism vs non-theism based on differences in birth rates. This is obviously another instance of similar predictions going back hundreds of years, only applied to different groups. From the early 19th century, racists in the US were warning about higher birth rates among African-Americans leading to demographic shifts, and homophobes gleefully awaited the extinction of their object of scorn. A few decades later, observation turned to attempted optimisation, in the form of eugenics. Long before that, Aristoteles was the first known jokester to observe "dumb people reproducing like rabbits" and predicting imminent cognitive decline. Yet here we are. The theory is also contradicted by the empirical fact that the share of irreligious people has been rising for decades, even though the differences in birth rates aren't exactly new. For a specific critique of the Pew Study see, for example, here.
This idea might warrant a mention as part of a discussion of other trends and predictions. It does not, however, deserve almost half of the above-the-fold introduction. Matthias Winkelmann ( talk) 08:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"I can't see the usefulness or contribution of a table in a list-like section as this"
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Secular world and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 16 § Secular world until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Sources (including the encyclopedia cited in the first sentence, when quoted properly) distinguish irreligion as an active rejection, not just absence of religion. The whole article seems as it is now seems to be based mainly on editors' opinions of what irreligion is. To quote the source originally cited (incorrectly) in the article and the OED:
Irreligion is the active rejection of religion in general, or any of its more specific organized forms, as distinct from absence of religion. [1] The Oxford English dictionary defines it as want of religion; hostility to or disregard of religious principles; irreligious conduct. [2]
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Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 20:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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I've made some fixes to the demographics list, but it's still not in great shape. The List of countries by irreligion is better, as it shows multiple sources. I suggest merging this list into that one, to avoid a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. See discussion at Talk:List of countries by irreligion § Adding figures from Pew, merging from irreligion article. -- IamNotU ( talk) 11:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Why is this article part of WikiProject: Atheism if the article itself testifies that irreligion and atheism are not the same? Primal Groudon ( talk) 01:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I removed the a paragraph on speculation on the future trends of theism vs non-theism based on differences in birth rates. This is obviously another instance of similar predictions going back hundreds of years, only applied to different groups. From the early 19th century, racists in the US were warning about higher birth rates among African-Americans leading to demographic shifts, and homophobes gleefully awaited the extinction of their object of scorn. A few decades later, observation turned to attempted optimisation, in the form of eugenics. Long before that, Aristoteles was the first known jokester to observe "dumb people reproducing like rabbits" and predicting imminent cognitive decline. Yet here we are. The theory is also contradicted by the empirical fact that the share of irreligious people has been rising for decades, even though the differences in birth rates aren't exactly new. For a specific critique of the Pew Study see, for example, here.
This idea might warrant a mention as part of a discussion of other trends and predictions. It does not, however, deserve almost half of the above-the-fold introduction. Matthias Winkelmann ( talk) 08:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"I can't see the usefulness or contribution of a table in a list-like section as this"
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Secular world and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 16 § Secular world until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Sources (including the encyclopedia cited in the first sentence, when quoted properly) distinguish irreligion as an active rejection, not just absence of religion. The whole article seems as it is now seems to be based mainly on editors' opinions of what irreligion is. To quote the source originally cited (incorrectly) in the article and the OED:
Irreligion is the active rejection of religion in general, or any of its more specific organized forms, as distinct from absence of religion. [1] The Oxford English dictionary defines it as want of religion; hostility to or disregard of religious principles; irreligious conduct. [2]
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Best wishes, Pol098 ( talk) 20:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)