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Great job! - Tim Feb. 15, 2006 00:38
Further additions to this list may be needed (for example, Valentina, etc). --AWF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.17 ( talk) 21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Bobby Baccalieri played by Steve Schirripa is missing from the main table. There seems to be some confusion between Bobby Baccalieri, Bobby Baccalieri Snr and Bobby Baccalieri jnr, Im not sure which references on this page are meant for which character? Paraphrased ( talk) 01:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Angelo Massagli seems to be listed against the wrong character Paraphrased ( talk) 01:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that several users are constantly changing goomara to comare and now to goomah. According to [1] it is always referred to as "goomara" which I think is the appropriate word. Any thoughts? Sfufan2005 22:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Brendan Filone should be merged into this list, under the Tertiary characters section. He only appeared in 2 or 3 episodes, which would make him a minor tertiary character, at that. He doesn't seem to meet the standards for having his own article. Please discuss here.
okay, now that i am unblocked, it's about time you got your ducks straight. the only two people who received their own cards from season one who were killed are Brendan and Mikey. Seriously, and personally, Brendan deserves his own page. All tertiary characters deserve their own pages, they should all get them. And Brendan is listed in the credits as a secondary character, not a tertiary one. I understand that you all want to pinpoint the likes of Vito and Eugene to be more important so I moved the guys I like to the bottom, but there's really no escaping the fact that they are secondary and not tertiary. All tertiary people are the ones who have no story revolving around them whatsoever. A fine example of a tertiary character would be Eliot Kupferberg, whom has done absolutely nothing. Again, Brendan is now in the very low of the secondary rank, but he still remains a secondary character because of his major importance in season one. Also, for informational purposes, Matt and Brendan are credited at the exact same level of importance. And another note, in 1999 to 2001, Brendan, Matt, and Sean were in the HBO pages as well. It's only in 2003 that they were removed for the likes of Pussy, Ralphie, and Richie. Otherwise, if the family tree gets brought back up, you are all more than welcome to see that they will be in it again on the site. And also, for informational purposes, Brendan appeared in 4 episodes (it doesn't matter whether he was dead or alive, he visually appeared) and he was mentioned in 4 other episodes after that, including in season 2. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 19 April 2006
also, all the other characters who have been previously fused will be gettin their own pages shortly. The tertiary characters which i myself separated will get their own pages. Everyone will have their own page. There is absolutely no need to fuse. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 13:32, 7 April 2006
hbo.com lists 35 characters on their website's guide. They have people who are no longer alive on the show (Tony-B, Livia, Ralphie, etc). Brendan is not on there. If you want to convince people that Brendan is more than a teritary character, come with some evidence. To say he is mentioned way more than Vito is insane. Vito has been in 34 of the show's 69 episodes. Brendan? 2. Hesh has been in 20+. Patsy has been in 25+. Those are secondary characters. But the chracters you live for don't come close to those numbers. They belong with the minor players, and below even some of them. sorry...forgot my name. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 14:56, 7 April 2006
After Brendan gets moved down to where he should be, Sean and Dino should be next. They are both VERY minor characters. I would include Matt in that list as well, but because of the new fame of the actor who played him, his character is getting a lot of coverage in the media. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 15:03, 7 April 2006
Are you serious?! Lets begin with my alltime favorite character ever. This is going to be fun.
The following characters need to be nominated for merge.
We can discuss and then vote if they belong with the secondary characters (Vito, Hesh) or with teritiary characters (Larry Boy, Rosalie). If put to a vote, I would vote to merge Brendan, Sean, Dino and Anthony. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 7 April 2006
nobody seems concerned about the effect of Lilo's criminal fame on the character, so I would vote to merge them both too. However, to play devil's ad, Matt always had more lines, seemed to be the "Batman" to Sean's "Robin", lived longer, was the subject of a very important manhunt/execution and was played by a famous actor. So, I think there are legit reasons to merge "chip" and not "dale". Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 19:02, 8 April 2006
What rule should people follow on who justifies having their "first appearance" referenced? I kinda think it should only be those people listed as "secondary" and above. For instance, when I wrote the In Camelot page, I placed Fran Felstein on the list, but I now think that was probably wrong. What's the rule of thumb on that? I think it is important to have a standard, or else characters like Monk #2 could be listed. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 8 April 2006
Does anyone know which episodes DiMeo was referenced in, so I can add them to his bio. Since he is an unseen character, I placed that where "played by" is shown and the episodes he is referenced in, I would also like to add. I'm pretty sure he was referenced in "Meadowlands" and "46 Long" but am still unsure. Sfufan2005 01:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering if there are any conventions for determining who is what sort of character?
For example Toni Kalem (Angie Bonpensiero) is now in the main credits when she appears in an episode does this make her a main character or a secondary character?
As another example Katherine Narducci (Charmaine Bucco) has been listed over the opening titles for most of the shows run and is on the HBO character list. Should she be listed as secondary/main? -Opark77 (Apologies sivia1979 - I'm new to Wiki) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC) — Preceding undated comment added 00:21, 28 April 2006
Johnny Boy is currently in the blood relatives section of the list - I was wondering if he might be better placed with the mobsters. Does anyone have an opinion? -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:24, 26 April 2006
After extensive thinking and merging 2-9 episode appearing people, the following should also be nominated for merge:
- Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 01:18, 27 April 2006
-Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 11:26, 27 April 2006
I think Feech should be moved down as well. Howeverm I'm on the fence about Gloria, she does appear in Tony's dreams a couple times, indicating significance of the character. I do think that if Gloria stays Irina should be moved up because she's had as much, if not more, of an impact on Tony and the series as his goomara in the first few seasons. -- M vopni 18:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
excellent notion. i would agree with you on all counts, and that would get me somewhere because Brendan, Sean, and Matt seriously are secondary characters in their respective seasons. as for the other stuff, i completely agree except for feech. i don't know...his character was very limited. within the short period he was in. we see him get out of prison, beat up a lawnmower, then get set up and go right back to prison. i'm not sure if that's enough for character development. same consensus on gloria trillo. disregarding the dream sequences tony had, if we look at her when she was alive, all she did was have a 3 episode relationship with tony, and get brushed off by Patsy, who threatened her. and that was it. she had absolutely no other development other than that. One could argue that Mustang Sally Intile had more development. he protected his girlfriend and his reputation by beating the spatafore bro in the head. bobby sr. reciprocated by executing him for his mistake along with carlos as collateral. that in itself was more character development than feech and gloria combined and it took mustang sally one episode to achieve this development. A character such as Eugene pontecorvo, who did absolutely nothing on the series other than get made and break a glass on little paulie's head finally got developed in episode 66 only to get killed off in the same episode. basically, people who play a major role in one episode are extremely important in comparison to people who are appearing throughout the full series and doing absolutely nothing. take Elliot kupferberg for example. his presence has done absolutely nothing thus far. he's a quad character, lower than tertiary really and he's listed on the hbo site. this same consensus would apply with feech. and most of all, this best defines a character such as david scatino, whom had absolutely no character development whatsoever other than getting into debt and paying up. I don't want to sound like I'm rambling...but the main point of all this is that Brendan, Sean, and Matt all deserve secondary pages, and feech and gloria...do not. however, i will not vote for matt and sean to be secondary because then if they were raised to secondary position and brendan were left behind, that would make no sense. they had the same level of credits and appearance wise, had the same amount of scenes that they were in. that is why i am voting against matt and sean to be secondary and voting that brendan be moved to secondary. if brendan is successfully moved, then i would gladly change my vote in favor of matt and sean to be moved to secondary as well. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 05:02, 28 April 2006
This main article has been split into subarticles to reduce it's size and avoid deletion. A summary of the discussion for this is below -- Opark 77 23:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
-Opark77
I notice that user Zarbon has reverted the content I moved to the List of characters from The Sopranos in the DiMeo Crime family article. I have put it back again. How can I contact his to ask him not to do this without first reading the discussion and learning why I set up the article in the first place. -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 17:16, 27 April 2006
As of the 27 April 2006 there are 20 main (or primary) characters and 200 supporting characters in our list. These divisions are arbitrary and open to personal interpretation. I note that this has caused some argument on this page in the past. The main difference between the groups is their organisation - main characters typically have their own article while supporting characters do not. Previously a third set of characters was used - secondary characters - these characters also had their own pages.
I also note from discussion below that Wikipedia policy is that an article can be merged into it's parent list without discussion if there is no opposition. Perhaps the discussion pages of secondary character and main character articles should all have a list of reasons for the separate page to prevent merging back and forth.
I was wondering if there are any conventions for determining who is what sort of character? I think it would be useful to try and reach a consensus on these conventions and produce guidelines for the decision on the importance of a character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 00:26 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Having read the merge discussion for Brendan Filone below I have identified some criteria that other editors seem to use and started a list.
Potential criteria for determining a character's importance:
I've copied a list of the main characters and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. I've then include my opinion on each one. -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:12, 28 April 2006
All of the current main characters should stay 72.57.92.95 15:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
-- Opark 77 23:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've copied a list of the characters previously considered secondary and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. Votes on the appropriate status of each character are beneath. I suppose we are using the secondary characters as those that aren't on the main character list but do appear in their own articles - so if anyone wants an article for a character nominate them and see how the other editors feel. -- Opark 77 22:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added a summary of the votes under each characters name in the format Main:Secondary(own article):tertiary(merge into list) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Currently the voting stands in favour of Irina and Mikey getting their own articles and Feech getting merged. Would someone like to undertake this?-- Opark 77 15:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Both Mikey Palmice and Irina Peltsin currently have a consensus for warranting their own articles. Would someone like to set them up and move the votes up into the current secondary characters section? -- Opark 77 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
The main page has been altered so that characters are listed in alphabetical order and the list of secondary characters has been merged with the tertiary characters to give the suppiorting characters category - the discussion for this edit is below:-- Opark 77 18:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose we return to how the list was set up previously, with only two categories for characters. "Main characters" are those already agreed upon, and anyone else is a "supporting character". This protracted debate about whether characters are "secondary" or "tertiary" has wasted a lot of time that could have been better spent on more productive things. Switching back to the old way would end most (if not all) of the debates and arguments here, without compromising anything within the list itself. We could get back to business. Kafziel 18:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with kafziel. I originally separated the sections into tertiary, and have now decided that the tertiary section is completely not needed. it would be wiser if there were simply main and secondary and it would simplify things. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 22:07, 28 April 2006
Perhaps my voting system could still be of use - we can leave it in so people can vote for possible additions/removals from the main character list.
I know you have said that we should leave the list of main characters as is but I feel that anyone listed as a star of the show on the front page (i.e. in the opening credits and not with a Guest Starring clarifier) probably deserves their own page. That would mean several of the characters who are currently secondary - perhaps we can leave voting open and see what consensus is reached.-- Opark 77 00:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I've created this section for people who can't find a character they want to identify in the list and don't have the information available to add them themselves. If you add their name to the list below then other editors can look them up and try to find out as much as possible about them before creating an entry.-- Opark 77 00:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Now that the main page has been simplified (see above) the secondary characters appear in the alphabetised list of supporting characters. However each secondary character has their own article. Do we want to keep things this way or merge all secondary characters into the lists with the other supporting characters?
Personally I am in favour of leaving them with their own articles but I wonder whether links to their articles should also appear in the relevant sublist articles. -- Opark 77 19:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I am proposing that the following characters be merged into the list pages:
- Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 03:43, 22 May 2006
well, the series will run for quite a while longer without Vito. As for Richie, i really don't know as to why he's being considered a "main" character since his character was around near the same length as many people who are listed as supporting. I will work on Feech soon and Gloria is in the void right now. i would hope that a consensus is reached dealing with Gloria soon so that the proper steps can be taken. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 04:25, 23 May 2006
-- Opark 77 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
alright, i'll leave Richie and Vito, but i will fuse Gloria and Feech. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 22:58, 24 May 2006
Category:Lists of characters from The Sopranos is a subcategory of both Category:Lists of fictional characters and Category:The Sopranos characters, so there is no need to explicitly tag this article as a member of those categories as well. -- Paul A 07:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The elderly man Tommy who takes care of (and loses) Junior in Where's Johnny? is clearly not Tommy Di Palma. His last name is never mentioned. Back in early season 1, when Jackie is dying of cancer, Mikey Palmice says that Tommy Di Palma also has cancer, but "way worse than you". Whoever this Di Palma guy is, if he had cancer worse than Jackie, he would certainly be dead in 2004, four years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 20:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Back when the Family Tree was on HBO's Sopranos web site, it said that Hesh was Jackie's Consigliere. Anyone know anything about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 02:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It is listed that Jimmy was Johnny Sack's Consigliere for his short tenure as free Boss. Anyone know why that is assumed? In All Due Respect, Neil Mink says that the whole "Petrille crew" was taken down, indicating that he's still the Capo of his crew. Also, at John's house, John tells Tony that Phil will likely want to become Consigliere, further hinting that Johnny did not yet choose one, and Jimmy was still only a Capo. Where did the Petrille Consigliere theory come from? --Ant1238 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 04:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
For no apparent reason, the actor that plays him, he's listed as a main cast member since the first episode of the final nine. Since the article's policy towards main characters seems to be whether they are credited as such, should we include him? Or should we wait to see how the season pans out? -- 148.241.24.15 10:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me but Silvio isn't dead yet. At the end of 'The Blue Comet' he was seriously wounded. I'm not an experienced enough Wikipedian to change the article, and I agree he will probably be dead by next week's episode, but in the interest of accuracy i thought i'd point this out. Oh, and please forgive me for that last run-on sentence. MathewBrooks 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)MathewBrooks MathewBrooks 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I added Vin Makazian to the main character section since John Heard's name was listed in the opening credits of Season One. Geeky Randy 05:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Characters who are can be listed a Main Character should have one of the following:
All of the character, at the present time, that are listed as main character meet this requirement. Therefore, characters like Walden, Agent Dwight Harris, etc. do not qualify. Geeky Randy 19:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Main characters are actors listed in the opening credits whether or not they appear in a specific episode. Supporting actors are actors listed in the opening credits only when they appear in an episode. Geeky Randy ( talk) 09:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip ( talk) 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Whereas Albie Cianflowne has his own section that a user is directed to upon clicking his name on the list of Lupertazzi family members, when clicking on Butch DeConcini's name, one is simply redirected to the List of The Sopranos characters.
In other words, there is currently no info on Butch. Can someone please fix this? Butch was one of my favourite characters on The Sopranos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.205.252 ( talk) 20:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC) 67.174.205.252 ( talk) 07:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Vito Spatafore 1
Vito Spatafore 2
Delete one? OreL.D ( talk) 17:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
is a disaster. There is rampant overlinking, numerous examples of poor writing, too much in-universe description, lots of speculation and opinions posing as fact, etc. This needs to be copy-edited from top to bottom. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 19:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Albie's article states the following at the end:
"He does not disclose to Tony where Phil is hiding, saying he 'can't go there, but you do what ya gotta do.'" I'm fairly positive this line is uttered by Butch, not Albie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221bbaker ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
All external links need to be listed at the end. Please make this change. I'll make it if no one winds up doing it. Best, Kingturtle = ( talk) 16:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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This series only needs one character list. These entries should all be trimmed, and minor characters should be pruned. All the lists should be merged, but one list should probably be merged at a time unless someone actually familiar with the series is available to knowledgeably purge minor characters. TTN ( talk) 23:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, dropped off on this. The next step should be to trim the main characters. Per featured content like Characters of Carnivàle and List of Alien (film series) characters, other than the absolute couple main characters, no character should have over two paragraphs, and having more than one should entail having real world information in the second paragraph. The current sections are mostly plot summary, but they should be reworked into a general overview of the characters. Then other existing character articles should probably be merged. I'd guess of the 13 existing that at least half are definitely notable, but probably not all of them. Unless you think there's plenty of real world information on the two crime families, those should probably be folded into this as well. TTN ( talk) 11:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I've fully updated the main characters as per the opening credits to each episode, this is all correct and can be cross checked via IMDb, which has a verified credit order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.176.128 ( talk) 16:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
re: this edit of mine:
Tony fails to repay the loan on time and starts berating Hesh about the [[Vigorish|vig]] on the loan which was $3,000 a week.<!--removed: ", leading to bad blood on both sides" There was no blood bath between Hesh and Tony, this needs to be clarified.-->
User:Vaselineeeeeeee reverted this w/o reasoning. I will revert that bc a) it's plain wrong and b) bc there's no source given. That alone is reason for deletion. tickle me 10:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I think there's enough info for these characters to have their own pages. MrCboY1997 ( talk) 17:58, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
S6 ep 19 Foul quince ( talk) 00:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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Great job! - Tim Feb. 15, 2006 00:38
Further additions to this list may be needed (for example, Valentina, etc). --AWF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.154.17 ( talk) 21:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Bobby Baccalieri played by Steve Schirripa is missing from the main table. There seems to be some confusion between Bobby Baccalieri, Bobby Baccalieri Snr and Bobby Baccalieri jnr, Im not sure which references on this page are meant for which character? Paraphrased ( talk) 01:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Angelo Massagli seems to be listed against the wrong character Paraphrased ( talk) 01:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that several users are constantly changing goomara to comare and now to goomah. According to [1] it is always referred to as "goomara" which I think is the appropriate word. Any thoughts? Sfufan2005 22:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Brendan Filone should be merged into this list, under the Tertiary characters section. He only appeared in 2 or 3 episodes, which would make him a minor tertiary character, at that. He doesn't seem to meet the standards for having his own article. Please discuss here.
okay, now that i am unblocked, it's about time you got your ducks straight. the only two people who received their own cards from season one who were killed are Brendan and Mikey. Seriously, and personally, Brendan deserves his own page. All tertiary characters deserve their own pages, they should all get them. And Brendan is listed in the credits as a secondary character, not a tertiary one. I understand that you all want to pinpoint the likes of Vito and Eugene to be more important so I moved the guys I like to the bottom, but there's really no escaping the fact that they are secondary and not tertiary. All tertiary people are the ones who have no story revolving around them whatsoever. A fine example of a tertiary character would be Eliot Kupferberg, whom has done absolutely nothing. Again, Brendan is now in the very low of the secondary rank, but he still remains a secondary character because of his major importance in season one. Also, for informational purposes, Matt and Brendan are credited at the exact same level of importance. And another note, in 1999 to 2001, Brendan, Matt, and Sean were in the HBO pages as well. It's only in 2003 that they were removed for the likes of Pussy, Ralphie, and Richie. Otherwise, if the family tree gets brought back up, you are all more than welcome to see that they will be in it again on the site. And also, for informational purposes, Brendan appeared in 4 episodes (it doesn't matter whether he was dead or alive, he visually appeared) and he was mentioned in 4 other episodes after that, including in season 2. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 19 April 2006
also, all the other characters who have been previously fused will be gettin their own pages shortly. The tertiary characters which i myself separated will get their own pages. Everyone will have their own page. There is absolutely no need to fuse. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 13:32, 7 April 2006
hbo.com lists 35 characters on their website's guide. They have people who are no longer alive on the show (Tony-B, Livia, Ralphie, etc). Brendan is not on there. If you want to convince people that Brendan is more than a teritary character, come with some evidence. To say he is mentioned way more than Vito is insane. Vito has been in 34 of the show's 69 episodes. Brendan? 2. Hesh has been in 20+. Patsy has been in 25+. Those are secondary characters. But the chracters you live for don't come close to those numbers. They belong with the minor players, and below even some of them. sorry...forgot my name. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 14:56, 7 April 2006
After Brendan gets moved down to where he should be, Sean and Dino should be next. They are both VERY minor characters. I would include Matt in that list as well, but because of the new fame of the actor who played him, his character is getting a lot of coverage in the media. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 15:03, 7 April 2006
Are you serious?! Lets begin with my alltime favorite character ever. This is going to be fun.
The following characters need to be nominated for merge.
We can discuss and then vote if they belong with the secondary characters (Vito, Hesh) or with teritiary characters (Larry Boy, Rosalie). If put to a vote, I would vote to merge Brendan, Sean, Dino and Anthony. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 7 April 2006
nobody seems concerned about the effect of Lilo's criminal fame on the character, so I would vote to merge them both too. However, to play devil's ad, Matt always had more lines, seemed to be the "Batman" to Sean's "Robin", lived longer, was the subject of a very important manhunt/execution and was played by a famous actor. So, I think there are legit reasons to merge "chip" and not "dale". Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 19:02, 8 April 2006
What rule should people follow on who justifies having their "first appearance" referenced? I kinda think it should only be those people listed as "secondary" and above. For instance, when I wrote the In Camelot page, I placed Fran Felstein on the list, but I now think that was probably wrong. What's the rule of thumb on that? I think it is important to have a standard, or else characters like Monk #2 could be listed. Wesleymullins — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 8 April 2006
Does anyone know which episodes DiMeo was referenced in, so I can add them to his bio. Since he is an unseen character, I placed that where "played by" is shown and the episodes he is referenced in, I would also like to add. I'm pretty sure he was referenced in "Meadowlands" and "46 Long" but am still unsure. Sfufan2005 01:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering if there are any conventions for determining who is what sort of character?
For example Toni Kalem (Angie Bonpensiero) is now in the main credits when she appears in an episode does this make her a main character or a secondary character?
As another example Katherine Narducci (Charmaine Bucco) has been listed over the opening titles for most of the shows run and is on the HBO character list. Should she be listed as secondary/main? -Opark77 (Apologies sivia1979 - I'm new to Wiki) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC) — Preceding undated comment added 00:21, 28 April 2006
Johnny Boy is currently in the blood relatives section of the list - I was wondering if he might be better placed with the mobsters. Does anyone have an opinion? -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:24, 26 April 2006
After extensive thinking and merging 2-9 episode appearing people, the following should also be nominated for merge:
- Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 01:18, 27 April 2006
-Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 11:26, 27 April 2006
I think Feech should be moved down as well. Howeverm I'm on the fence about Gloria, she does appear in Tony's dreams a couple times, indicating significance of the character. I do think that if Gloria stays Irina should be moved up because she's had as much, if not more, of an impact on Tony and the series as his goomara in the first few seasons. -- M vopni 18:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
excellent notion. i would agree with you on all counts, and that would get me somewhere because Brendan, Sean, and Matt seriously are secondary characters in their respective seasons. as for the other stuff, i completely agree except for feech. i don't know...his character was very limited. within the short period he was in. we see him get out of prison, beat up a lawnmower, then get set up and go right back to prison. i'm not sure if that's enough for character development. same consensus on gloria trillo. disregarding the dream sequences tony had, if we look at her when she was alive, all she did was have a 3 episode relationship with tony, and get brushed off by Patsy, who threatened her. and that was it. she had absolutely no other development other than that. One could argue that Mustang Sally Intile had more development. he protected his girlfriend and his reputation by beating the spatafore bro in the head. bobby sr. reciprocated by executing him for his mistake along with carlos as collateral. that in itself was more character development than feech and gloria combined and it took mustang sally one episode to achieve this development. A character such as Eugene pontecorvo, who did absolutely nothing on the series other than get made and break a glass on little paulie's head finally got developed in episode 66 only to get killed off in the same episode. basically, people who play a major role in one episode are extremely important in comparison to people who are appearing throughout the full series and doing absolutely nothing. take Elliot kupferberg for example. his presence has done absolutely nothing thus far. he's a quad character, lower than tertiary really and he's listed on the hbo site. this same consensus would apply with feech. and most of all, this best defines a character such as david scatino, whom had absolutely no character development whatsoever other than getting into debt and paying up. I don't want to sound like I'm rambling...but the main point of all this is that Brendan, Sean, and Matt all deserve secondary pages, and feech and gloria...do not. however, i will not vote for matt and sean to be secondary because then if they were raised to secondary position and brendan were left behind, that would make no sense. they had the same level of credits and appearance wise, had the same amount of scenes that they were in. that is why i am voting against matt and sean to be secondary and voting that brendan be moved to secondary. if brendan is successfully moved, then i would gladly change my vote in favor of matt and sean to be moved to secondary as well. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 05:02, 28 April 2006
This main article has been split into subarticles to reduce it's size and avoid deletion. A summary of the discussion for this is below -- Opark 77 23:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
-Opark77
I notice that user Zarbon has reverted the content I moved to the List of characters from The Sopranos in the DiMeo Crime family article. I have put it back again. How can I contact his to ask him not to do this without first reading the discussion and learning why I set up the article in the first place. -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 17:16, 27 April 2006
As of the 27 April 2006 there are 20 main (or primary) characters and 200 supporting characters in our list. These divisions are arbitrary and open to personal interpretation. I note that this has caused some argument on this page in the past. The main difference between the groups is their organisation - main characters typically have their own article while supporting characters do not. Previously a third set of characters was used - secondary characters - these characters also had their own pages.
I also note from discussion below that Wikipedia policy is that an article can be merged into it's parent list without discussion if there is no opposition. Perhaps the discussion pages of secondary character and main character articles should all have a list of reasons for the separate page to prevent merging back and forth.
I was wondering if there are any conventions for determining who is what sort of character? I think it would be useful to try and reach a consensus on these conventions and produce guidelines for the decision on the importance of a character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 00:26 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Having read the merge discussion for Brendan Filone below I have identified some criteria that other editors seem to use and started a list.
Potential criteria for determining a character's importance:
I've copied a list of the main characters and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. I've then include my opinion on each one. -Opark77 — Preceding undated comment added 02:12, 28 April 2006
All of the current main characters should stay 72.57.92.95 15:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
-- Opark 77 23:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've copied a list of the characters previously considered secondary and added information relating to the criteria discussed above to show an evidence based approach to their categorisation. Votes on the appropriate status of each character are beneath. I suppose we are using the secondary characters as those that aren't on the main character list but do appear in their own articles - so if anyone wants an article for a character nominate them and see how the other editors feel. -- Opark 77 22:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added a summary of the votes under each characters name in the format Main:Secondary(own article):tertiary(merge into list) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opark 77 ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Currently the voting stands in favour of Irina and Mikey getting their own articles and Feech getting merged. Would someone like to undertake this?-- Opark 77 15:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Both Mikey Palmice and Irina Peltsin currently have a consensus for warranting their own articles. Would someone like to set them up and move the votes up into the current secondary characters section? -- Opark 77 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
The main page has been altered so that characters are listed in alphabetical order and the list of secondary characters has been merged with the tertiary characters to give the suppiorting characters category - the discussion for this edit is below:-- Opark 77 18:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose we return to how the list was set up previously, with only two categories for characters. "Main characters" are those already agreed upon, and anyone else is a "supporting character". This protracted debate about whether characters are "secondary" or "tertiary" has wasted a lot of time that could have been better spent on more productive things. Switching back to the old way would end most (if not all) of the debates and arguments here, without compromising anything within the list itself. We could get back to business. Kafziel 18:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with kafziel. I originally separated the sections into tertiary, and have now decided that the tertiary section is completely not needed. it would be wiser if there were simply main and secondary and it would simplify things. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 22:07, 28 April 2006
Perhaps my voting system could still be of use - we can leave it in so people can vote for possible additions/removals from the main character list.
I know you have said that we should leave the list of main characters as is but I feel that anyone listed as a star of the show on the front page (i.e. in the opening credits and not with a Guest Starring clarifier) probably deserves their own page. That would mean several of the characters who are currently secondary - perhaps we can leave voting open and see what consensus is reached.-- Opark 77 00:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I've created this section for people who can't find a character they want to identify in the list and don't have the information available to add them themselves. If you add their name to the list below then other editors can look them up and try to find out as much as possible about them before creating an entry.-- Opark 77 00:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Now that the main page has been simplified (see above) the secondary characters appear in the alphabetised list of supporting characters. However each secondary character has their own article. Do we want to keep things this way or merge all secondary characters into the lists with the other supporting characters?
Personally I am in favour of leaving them with their own articles but I wonder whether links to their articles should also appear in the relevant sublist articles. -- Opark 77 19:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I am proposing that the following characters be merged into the list pages:
- Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 03:43, 22 May 2006
well, the series will run for quite a while longer without Vito. As for Richie, i really don't know as to why he's being considered a "main" character since his character was around near the same length as many people who are listed as supporting. I will work on Feech soon and Gloria is in the void right now. i would hope that a consensus is reached dealing with Gloria soon so that the proper steps can be taken. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 04:25, 23 May 2006
-- Opark 77 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
alright, i'll leave Richie and Vito, but i will fuse Gloria and Feech. - Zarbon — Preceding undated comment added 22:58, 24 May 2006
Category:Lists of characters from The Sopranos is a subcategory of both Category:Lists of fictional characters and Category:The Sopranos characters, so there is no need to explicitly tag this article as a member of those categories as well. -- Paul A 07:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The elderly man Tommy who takes care of (and loses) Junior in Where's Johnny? is clearly not Tommy Di Palma. His last name is never mentioned. Back in early season 1, when Jackie is dying of cancer, Mikey Palmice says that Tommy Di Palma also has cancer, but "way worse than you". Whoever this Di Palma guy is, if he had cancer worse than Jackie, he would certainly be dead in 2004, four years later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 20:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Back when the Family Tree was on HBO's Sopranos web site, it said that Hesh was Jackie's Consigliere. Anyone know anything about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 02:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It is listed that Jimmy was Johnny Sack's Consigliere for his short tenure as free Boss. Anyone know why that is assumed? In All Due Respect, Neil Mink says that the whole "Petrille crew" was taken down, indicating that he's still the Capo of his crew. Also, at John's house, John tells Tony that Phil will likely want to become Consigliere, further hinting that Johnny did not yet choose one, and Jimmy was still only a Capo. Where did the Petrille Consigliere theory come from? --Ant1238 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.236.152 ( talk) 04:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
For no apparent reason, the actor that plays him, he's listed as a main cast member since the first episode of the final nine. Since the article's policy towards main characters seems to be whether they are credited as such, should we include him? Or should we wait to see how the season pans out? -- 148.241.24.15 10:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me but Silvio isn't dead yet. At the end of 'The Blue Comet' he was seriously wounded. I'm not an experienced enough Wikipedian to change the article, and I agree he will probably be dead by next week's episode, but in the interest of accuracy i thought i'd point this out. Oh, and please forgive me for that last run-on sentence. MathewBrooks 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)MathewBrooks MathewBrooks 18:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I added Vin Makazian to the main character section since John Heard's name was listed in the opening credits of Season One. Geeky Randy 05:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Characters who are can be listed a Main Character should have one of the following:
All of the character, at the present time, that are listed as main character meet this requirement. Therefore, characters like Walden, Agent Dwight Harris, etc. do not qualify. Geeky Randy 19:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Main characters are actors listed in the opening credits whether or not they appear in a specific episode. Supporting actors are actors listed in the opening credits only when they appear in an episode. Geeky Randy ( talk) 09:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip ( talk) 08:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Whereas Albie Cianflowne has his own section that a user is directed to upon clicking his name on the list of Lupertazzi family members, when clicking on Butch DeConcini's name, one is simply redirected to the List of The Sopranos characters.
In other words, there is currently no info on Butch. Can someone please fix this? Butch was one of my favourite characters on The Sopranos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.205.252 ( talk) 20:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC) 67.174.205.252 ( talk) 07:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Vito Spatafore 1
Vito Spatafore 2
Delete one? OreL.D ( talk) 17:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
is a disaster. There is rampant overlinking, numerous examples of poor writing, too much in-universe description, lots of speculation and opinions posing as fact, etc. This needs to be copy-edited from top to bottom. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 19:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Albie's article states the following at the end:
"He does not disclose to Tony where Phil is hiding, saying he 'can't go there, but you do what ya gotta do.'" I'm fairly positive this line is uttered by Butch, not Albie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221bbaker ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
All external links need to be listed at the end. Please make this change. I'll make it if no one winds up doing it. Best, Kingturtle = ( talk) 16:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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This series only needs one character list. These entries should all be trimmed, and minor characters should be pruned. All the lists should be merged, but one list should probably be merged at a time unless someone actually familiar with the series is available to knowledgeably purge minor characters. TTN ( talk) 23:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, dropped off on this. The next step should be to trim the main characters. Per featured content like Characters of Carnivàle and List of Alien (film series) characters, other than the absolute couple main characters, no character should have over two paragraphs, and having more than one should entail having real world information in the second paragraph. The current sections are mostly plot summary, but they should be reworked into a general overview of the characters. Then other existing character articles should probably be merged. I'd guess of the 13 existing that at least half are definitely notable, but probably not all of them. Unless you think there's plenty of real world information on the two crime families, those should probably be folded into this as well. TTN ( talk) 11:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
I've fully updated the main characters as per the opening credits to each episode, this is all correct and can be cross checked via IMDb, which has a verified credit order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.176.128 ( talk) 16:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
re: this edit of mine:
Tony fails to repay the loan on time and starts berating Hesh about the [[Vigorish|vig]] on the loan which was $3,000 a week.<!--removed: ", leading to bad blood on both sides" There was no blood bath between Hesh and Tony, this needs to be clarified.-->
User:Vaselineeeeeeee reverted this w/o reasoning. I will revert that bc a) it's plain wrong and b) bc there's no source given. That alone is reason for deletion. tickle me 10:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I think there's enough info for these characters to have their own pages. MrCboY1997 ( talk) 17:58, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
S6 ep 19 Foul quince ( talk) 00:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)