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Would anyone care to explain what the criterion for notability on this list are? It seems odd that there's no discussion of it here. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 04:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering the same thing. Should we count only pure breweries, or do we count brewery-restaurants as well? For example, I saw Rock Bottom on the list on Santa Clara County. I would have thought of it as primarily a restaurant (besides the fact that it is a chain headquartered outside of California). If it is to be included on the list, should it be listed under every county that has a brewing location? Some other brewery restaurants to consider, at least with locations in San Diego, are BJ's, Oggi's, and Gordon Bierch. Then there's Pizza Port, who while being a restaurant, is more well known for its beer.
I would like to propose as a criteria that to be counted on the list, a company must sell beer for off-premesis consumption - either kegs, take-away growlers, or bottling for retail distribution, and that it be listed under every county for which such a distribution point exists. So for example:
Alternatives to consider:
-- Mfedder ( talk) 05:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I am not as concerned about what specifically qualifies a brewery to be on the list. I am more concerned that we show, with references, the reason for inclusion. I have added hidden text, and i may act on what i added. this is standard instructions for stand alone lists on WP. we are NOT a directory. businesses here must be shown to be notable. i know that Jupiter exists. does that mean i should leave it here? it means i should find a reference for it, and if i find it, add it, then maybe i or someone else will write the article. The names should be added only AFTER a reference has been found. otherwise, how do we know someone didnt add "Ima J. Ackass Brewery, Chowder House and Marching Society" as a joke? Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
If one searches for breweries in California, this page shows up first in the results. It is not useful, however, as it does not contain the information promised in the title. Why does it exist at all if it doesn't contain a reasonably complete list of breweries or at least a link to a reliable list maintained elsewhere? http://www.bcca.com/services/brewery_listing_california.asp is an example of a fairly extensive list that appears to be regularly maintained.
The notability discussion above seems to take no note of the fact that the notability guidelines specifically state that they do not apply to article or list content. This topic clearly meets the criteria for notability. The sites cited above through Beer Advocate aren't intended as brewery listings but as crowd-sourced beer rating services. As such, they don't fill the need for an accessible list of breweries. 199.19.248.11 ( talk) 08:51, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The brewing industry in California brews more beer than any other state in the union, thus it is a large part of the local economy in non-durable goods shipped and employment. This page is a useful summary of the breweries which either have their own Wiki articles or which are notable enough to be trailed by a citation. I don't think it should be deleted with a "prod" and I'm thankful to the editor who removed the tag. notability guidelines say that those guidelines do not apply to article or list content. Since the topic meets the criteria for notability and all the entries either have their own Wikipedia pages, or have citations, I think the page should stay. Ellin Beltz ( talk) 21:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
When I came to this page and hit control<F> to search for Stone Brewing Company there was no match. This was a surprise because surely they are a relatively notable Californian brewery. It didn't immediately occur to me to read the entire article and discover that the breweries around San Diego aren't listed here because they are in List of breweries in San Diego County, California. Shouldn't the two lists be merged? - Pointillist ( talk) 21:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I haven't filed a sockpuppet investigation over the mass of bad edits today by many single-purpose accounts adding unsourced entries for breweries surrounding Davis, because my guess is that this was not actually the work of sock-farm, but rather a course assignment gone horribly wrong, most likely from the FST "beer and brewing" course at UC Davis. I am going to see whether I can get in touch with the course instructor and find out more. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Another of these pages has appeared at Telegraph Brewing Company. I note that the format seems to track other pages from this class. Short bit of info, then something on the awards the beer has won. It's been CSD'd. Prof. Mc ( talk) 19:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I know there's a lot of activity on this article at the moment, with some breweries being added without secondary sources by some editors and then removed by other editors. But, unrelated to that, I suggest that the breweries that don't have their own articles be un-red-linked. There's a consensus that it's fine to list these breweries, as long as each one has a secondary source, but most of them will not end up having their own Wikipedia articles, so red-linking them is not helpful, in my opinion. I can remove the red links myself -- I'll probably have time to get to this soon -- but I wanted to post here first and see if anyone wants to agree or disagree. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've gone ahead with the un-red-linking, here. — Mudwater ( Talk) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the article List of breweries in San Diego County, California be merged into this article. San Diego County has a lot of breweries, but they can easily be accommodated in the List of breweries in California article -- which would then be better than before, because readers would not have to refer to a second article to see the rest of the California breweries. As far as I'm aware, all the other U.S. brewery lists are by state, and I think it makes sense to be consistent with that scheme. — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Consensus? Prof. Mc ( talk) 18:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
It's been more than two months and there's no consensus to merge, so I guess the articles should be left separate, for now anyway. I'm planning on removing the merge proposal tags in the near future, unless anyone objects. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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Would anyone care to explain what the criterion for notability on this list are? It seems odd that there's no discussion of it here. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 04:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering the same thing. Should we count only pure breweries, or do we count brewery-restaurants as well? For example, I saw Rock Bottom on the list on Santa Clara County. I would have thought of it as primarily a restaurant (besides the fact that it is a chain headquartered outside of California). If it is to be included on the list, should it be listed under every county that has a brewing location? Some other brewery restaurants to consider, at least with locations in San Diego, are BJ's, Oggi's, and Gordon Bierch. Then there's Pizza Port, who while being a restaurant, is more well known for its beer.
I would like to propose as a criteria that to be counted on the list, a company must sell beer for off-premesis consumption - either kegs, take-away growlers, or bottling for retail distribution, and that it be listed under every county for which such a distribution point exists. So for example:
Alternatives to consider:
-- Mfedder ( talk) 05:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I am not as concerned about what specifically qualifies a brewery to be on the list. I am more concerned that we show, with references, the reason for inclusion. I have added hidden text, and i may act on what i added. this is standard instructions for stand alone lists on WP. we are NOT a directory. businesses here must be shown to be notable. i know that Jupiter exists. does that mean i should leave it here? it means i should find a reference for it, and if i find it, add it, then maybe i or someone else will write the article. The names should be added only AFTER a reference has been found. otherwise, how do we know someone didnt add "Ima J. Ackass Brewery, Chowder House and Marching Society" as a joke? Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 04:30, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
If one searches for breweries in California, this page shows up first in the results. It is not useful, however, as it does not contain the information promised in the title. Why does it exist at all if it doesn't contain a reasonably complete list of breweries or at least a link to a reliable list maintained elsewhere? http://www.bcca.com/services/brewery_listing_california.asp is an example of a fairly extensive list that appears to be regularly maintained.
The notability discussion above seems to take no note of the fact that the notability guidelines specifically state that they do not apply to article or list content. This topic clearly meets the criteria for notability. The sites cited above through Beer Advocate aren't intended as brewery listings but as crowd-sourced beer rating services. As such, they don't fill the need for an accessible list of breweries. 199.19.248.11 ( talk) 08:51, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
The brewing industry in California brews more beer than any other state in the union, thus it is a large part of the local economy in non-durable goods shipped and employment. This page is a useful summary of the breweries which either have their own Wiki articles or which are notable enough to be trailed by a citation. I don't think it should be deleted with a "prod" and I'm thankful to the editor who removed the tag. notability guidelines say that those guidelines do not apply to article or list content. Since the topic meets the criteria for notability and all the entries either have their own Wikipedia pages, or have citations, I think the page should stay. Ellin Beltz ( talk) 21:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
When I came to this page and hit control<F> to search for Stone Brewing Company there was no match. This was a surprise because surely they are a relatively notable Californian brewery. It didn't immediately occur to me to read the entire article and discover that the breweries around San Diego aren't listed here because they are in List of breweries in San Diego County, California. Shouldn't the two lists be merged? - Pointillist ( talk) 21:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I haven't filed a sockpuppet investigation over the mass of bad edits today by many single-purpose accounts adding unsourced entries for breweries surrounding Davis, because my guess is that this was not actually the work of sock-farm, but rather a course assignment gone horribly wrong, most likely from the FST "beer and brewing" course at UC Davis. I am going to see whether I can get in touch with the course instructor and find out more. — David Eppstein ( talk) 06:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Another of these pages has appeared at Telegraph Brewing Company. I note that the format seems to track other pages from this class. Short bit of info, then something on the awards the beer has won. It's been CSD'd. Prof. Mc ( talk) 19:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I know there's a lot of activity on this article at the moment, with some breweries being added without secondary sources by some editors and then removed by other editors. But, unrelated to that, I suggest that the breweries that don't have their own articles be un-red-linked. There's a consensus that it's fine to list these breweries, as long as each one has a secondary source, but most of them will not end up having their own Wikipedia articles, so red-linking them is not helpful, in my opinion. I can remove the red links myself -- I'll probably have time to get to this soon -- but I wanted to post here first and see if anyone wants to agree or disagree. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've gone ahead with the un-red-linking, here. — Mudwater ( Talk) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I propose that the article List of breweries in San Diego County, California be merged into this article. San Diego County has a lot of breweries, but they can easily be accommodated in the List of breweries in California article -- which would then be better than before, because readers would not have to refer to a second article to see the rest of the California breweries. As far as I'm aware, all the other U.S. brewery lists are by state, and I think it makes sense to be consistent with that scheme. — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Consensus? Prof. Mc ( talk) 18:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
It's been more than two months and there's no consensus to merge, so I guess the articles should be left separate, for now anyway. I'm planning on removing the merge proposal tags in the near future, unless anyone objects. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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