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Is (or was) Yamaha truly a bicycle manufacturer, as opposed to a motorcycle manufacturer? Mecanoge ( talk) 06:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I figured out how to edit pages well enough to do it right, I think: Added Seattle's R+E Cycles ( http://www.rodcycle.com). c3k ( talk) 19:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I removed the link for Var because none of the entries on the disambiguation page corresponded to a bicycle manufacturer. From a google search, it looks like maybe they actually manufacture bicycle tools (not actual bicycles)? Anyway, I guess a new page will have to be created if someone wants to re-link Var.
AdamMorton 00:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer was not listen on this page so someone needs to add a proper link that takes the user directly to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer "stub". Perhaps that was why it was not listed in the first place. I would do it myself except I do not know how to direct the link so it goes to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer page instead of the Mongoose (animal) page.
Ever since I bought my Privater in 1998 and now have a Single Speed modified Racelite I have wondered about the evolution of the Bontrager bicycle.
http://www.arkansasvalley.net/bontrager/
is a good site to start..
http://www.eandsweb.com/me/bontrager/
has more details but is limited..
http://www.ridesmarter.com/archives/archive_main.htm
from the horses mouth.
Still a lot of un-answered questions-
What is the differance between a OR and a Race? When did they switch from the squared off frame stickers? What about the two part seat stays? What about the front derailleur pulley? Dates and possible reasons why. Rocklobster Nontragers are made from NOS Tange Prestige from the Santa Cruz Bontrager closure. Does that mean Bontrager frames were made from Tange? I thought they were made from True Temper. What about colors? Did Race and Race Lites come in different colors? Were the colors year specific?
I saw these posts on MTBR
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ontrager+frame
so I know there is a huge knowledge pool out there.
It can be something as simple as. ***THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE*** and not meant to be accurate
1) 1989 Bontrager cycles is born and the OR frame was made. 2) 1992 Bontrager cycles expands from one man shop to production; OR is discontinued and Race is introduced. a) Frame changes; monostay is capped; horizontal to verticle dropouts; canti hanger from pin to welded stud (functional art). 3) 1994 Frame stickers change from square to pointed; front derailleurs are changed from bottom pull (w/pulley system) to top pull. racelite is introduced. 4) 1995 Trek buys Bontrager 5) 1996 Trek introduces Privateer
Again some of this is just made up. My hope is there are enough Bontrager aficionados out there to make this work.
Brad Goodwin Onespeedbiker 19:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone considering adding a manufacturer to this list should keep in mind the following from the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:
"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."
To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the manufacturer first and then add it to this list. UnitedStatesian 18:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I am re-adding Samchuly: THE major bike company in ROK. I am not re-writing the Samchuly article, which I spent a fair amount of time writing a couple years ago. Some-one must have erased it. (One of the problems with Wik is that if an article gets erased, the editor's record of it gets erased, too.) Before any-one removes Samchuly, look at its home-page or any page about international bike makers. In 2005, Samchuly, makers of Lespo had 61,568,054,000 WON in exports alone. Kdammers ( talk) 08:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Have a key for the types of bikes made; F= Folding, R=Road, M=mountain, P=parts, H=hybrid, R=recumbent, Rw=Rowbike, Hd=Hand Cycle ect. Each company would have a series of symbols after the name indicating their products. That way one list of manufactures could be used for all bicycle related articles. Geo8rge 18:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I created this page so that this list would show it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bicycle_manufacturing_companies why should Enighma Titanium Limited not be listed ? Go ahead and see the debate at Enigma Titanium Limited page or at my discussion page if they delete the page prematurely. Teemu Ruskeepää ( talk) 16:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
and of course they would also need articles:
Unless there's a reason for keeping these companies off the list and out of Wikipedia, I'll start adding them. -- Simplem ( talk) 04:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I'll start with an article about Co-motion Cycles. I note that there's a German-language article on Canyon Bicycles on de.wikipedia.org. Is the normal practice to get a translation of that article for en.wikipedia.org? Zosma ( talk)
A few more manufacturers that don't have articles:
Airborne, Banshee, Canfield, Commencal, Foes, Intense, Knolly, Maveric, Niner, On One, Pivot, Ritchey
These are mountain bike manufacturers that have manufacturer forums at mtbr.com. Personally I think articles with names that start with "List of" should be as exhaustive as possible, because even if wikipedia doesn't have information on a particular entry, at least a reader who knows that it exists can look for information elsewhere. Since that's not how these lists are maintained, though, I'll just leave these here and hope that people with more experience here than me or more knowledge of these companies will write articles about them. - 2602:306:CF7C:8480:CA60:FF:FE73:23E7 ( talk) 06:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing for Montagner, Vicini, Benotto and lots of other italian bicycle brands and manufacturers. You missed Rog from Slovenia and also Favorit from Chekoslovakia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.178.112.200 ( talk) 19:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the suggestion to merge the article and/or the list ignores the unique history and character of the French industry. The bicycle was invented by the French, as was bicycle racing, and the French bicycle industry grew up around those twin facts. To merge the French industry into a larger list would be to lose sight of the French contribution to cycling. I think the article and the lists in the article should remain as they are. Blue Order ( talk) 06:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The question of this article is, how many of these listed there subcontract another company to make bicycles for them, such as many of these known for being car manufacturers, therefore this make them more of a bicycle brand than being a manufacturer of bicycles. An example of this is Hummer, who has a bicycle manufactured by Montague Bikes, Land Rover is another; also I doubt highly any of these German car manufacturers actually make their own bikes - hence making them a brand name of bicycles.
I'm sure if Nike and Adidas sell bicycles under their own brand, chances are very high that it will be on this list, hence the proposal to rename this list (to possibly List of bicycle manufacturing companies and brands). Donnie Park ( talk) 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
As a response to the above proposal, I have removed bicycle brandnames listed on that list starting with manufacturer that is notable for other things (cars), unless they had history of manufacturing it themselves. Also bracket indicates who manufactures the bicycle. I will transfer this lot and added a guide of which brand is produced by which mfr.
Donnie Park ( talk) 13:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
74.225.54.88 ( talk) 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)I am a woman 4'8" and would like to purchase a road bike. It isn't easy to do so. I had my heart set on a Trec but they don't make a frame small enough. I was told about Ellen Terry Bikes and can't get any information about the company. Does anyone have any suggestions? 74.225.54.88 ( talk) 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Terry on the list of bike brands???
Since an article published by the Globe and Mail has mentioned this company( goods-2-go).Then should not goods-2-go be included? They are currently still in business. Please update records Lite ride ( talk) 15:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I moved List of bicycle manufacturing companies to List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies as their seems to be some issues between the differences between brands and manufacturers. Rather than create a second list of which will largely be a duplicate of the first list, I made an all inclusive Brands and manufacturers.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 17:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Since the addition of brands into this list, this article have rapidly gone down the pan, as it has turned itself into as an edit war prone list. IMHO, I really don't know what to say other than that my only option left is to nominate it for AfD as my patience is running thin. Donnie Park ( talk) 17:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
All of them were available with Saxonette auxiliary motors by Fichtel & Sachs. -- Chief tin cloud ( talk) 10:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
One of the best bike manufacturers in the world... http://www.ciocc.it/index.php/en/ 70.211.11.167 ( talk) 21:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
The Article on Wikipedia on the above has been written, it also has a number of links to a number of sources. Will you please leave it on the list as the list is referred to in the article. Other entries of cycle companies on this list do not have such good references and the rules of the site do not state that the article must not be in draft. There is currently a 2 month waiting article for approval. If, for some reason the article is rejected for good reason then please feel free to delete the entry, but please leave it on for now. Canol ( talk) 17:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I have undone the edit in question again for the following two reasons.
Finally, the "rules" don't mention drafts because drafts are a new feature. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 21:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Canol, please post a link to your draft and I'll look at it.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 14:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
This article could be improved by explaining what a manufacturer, brand, product line, and company each is, and how they are related. An example might be the Delancy P. Harris Manufacturing Company (not notable) who made the Rollfast (not notable) brand of bicycles, with parts made by the Homer P. Snyder Manufacturing Company (not notable), with models such as the Hopalong Cassidy boys and girls bicycles (not notable). Perhaps the article could also explain the close relationship between assembly and manufacture. I believe the statements that "brands manufacture" and "manufacturers that are brands" reflect the heart of this article's problems. Statements such as those could be better explained as "companies that manufacture" and "companies with eponymous brands" (i.e., the brand is named after the company, rather than the brand manufacturing something). Also, the article could be improved by listing former manufacturers that went bankrupt as defunct, even if their assets (e.g., trademark brands) may have been acquired by a receivership. For example, Pope was reorganized into Westfield (not notable), then by Torrington Company (not notable), and then by the Modern Tool and Die Company (not notable), and then final bankruptcy in 1980's or so. This would help explain the difference between a former American manufacturer, and a present multinational conglomerate in Canada that sells Chinese bicycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 22:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The criterion that items on this is stated as that each is sufficiently notable to have its own page, and that seems to be vigorously enforced. There's considerable leeway on the criteria for a list, as described here. I would favor being more inclusive, but perhaps there is a history of problems that I don't know about that this choice was intended to solve?
Ccrrccrr ( talk) 18:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Basically what the template says, given the length of this list, would it make sense to have the defunct brands and manufacturers in their own list? 162.208.168.92 ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Oppose One of the many purposes of Wikipedia is to enable readers to find the information they seek. A reader will not necessarily know whether a company is active or defunct. Splitting the list would require a reader to search in separate places. It does concern me that we already have country specific lists which already makes searching more difficult. Personally I find list articles like this less than useful and in an ideal world I would nominate this and very many other "list" articles for deletion but I know that the "List makers of Wikipedia" (soon to be turned into an Oscar winning film) will fight back with vigour. While we retain such lists, I would strongly urge that we keep them simple, listing only notable items and maintained as singular lists and not divided by some arbitrary property. Velella Velella Talk 21:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a bicycle brand called that is not mentioned on the list. They are also in the Cycleurope Organisation. Fazzy007 ( talk) 08:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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Is (or was) Yamaha truly a bicycle manufacturer, as opposed to a motorcycle manufacturer? Mecanoge ( talk) 06:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I figured out how to edit pages well enough to do it right, I think: Added Seattle's R+E Cycles ( http://www.rodcycle.com). c3k ( talk) 19:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I removed the link for Var because none of the entries on the disambiguation page corresponded to a bicycle manufacturer. From a google search, it looks like maybe they actually manufacture bicycle tools (not actual bicycles)? Anyway, I guess a new page will have to be created if someone wants to re-link Var.
AdamMorton 00:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer was not listen on this page so someone needs to add a proper link that takes the user directly to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer "stub". Perhaps that was why it was not listed in the first place. I would do it myself except I do not know how to direct the link so it goes to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer page instead of the Mongoose (animal) page.
Ever since I bought my Privater in 1998 and now have a Single Speed modified Racelite I have wondered about the evolution of the Bontrager bicycle.
http://www.arkansasvalley.net/bontrager/
is a good site to start..
http://www.eandsweb.com/me/bontrager/
has more details but is limited..
http://www.ridesmarter.com/archives/archive_main.htm
from the horses mouth.
Still a lot of un-answered questions-
What is the differance between a OR and a Race? When did they switch from the squared off frame stickers? What about the two part seat stays? What about the front derailleur pulley? Dates and possible reasons why. Rocklobster Nontragers are made from NOS Tange Prestige from the Santa Cruz Bontrager closure. Does that mean Bontrager frames were made from Tange? I thought they were made from True Temper. What about colors? Did Race and Race Lites come in different colors? Were the colors year specific?
I saw these posts on MTBR
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ontrager+frame
so I know there is a huge knowledge pool out there.
It can be something as simple as. ***THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE*** and not meant to be accurate
1) 1989 Bontrager cycles is born and the OR frame was made. 2) 1992 Bontrager cycles expands from one man shop to production; OR is discontinued and Race is introduced. a) Frame changes; monostay is capped; horizontal to verticle dropouts; canti hanger from pin to welded stud (functional art). 3) 1994 Frame stickers change from square to pointed; front derailleurs are changed from bottom pull (w/pulley system) to top pull. racelite is introduced. 4) 1995 Trek buys Bontrager 5) 1996 Trek introduces Privateer
Again some of this is just made up. My hope is there are enough Bontrager aficionados out there to make this work.
Brad Goodwin Onespeedbiker 19:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Anyone considering adding a manufacturer to this list should keep in mind the following from the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:
"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."
To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the manufacturer first and then add it to this list. UnitedStatesian 18:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I am re-adding Samchuly: THE major bike company in ROK. I am not re-writing the Samchuly article, which I spent a fair amount of time writing a couple years ago. Some-one must have erased it. (One of the problems with Wik is that if an article gets erased, the editor's record of it gets erased, too.) Before any-one removes Samchuly, look at its home-page or any page about international bike makers. In 2005, Samchuly, makers of Lespo had 61,568,054,000 WON in exports alone. Kdammers ( talk) 08:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Have a key for the types of bikes made; F= Folding, R=Road, M=mountain, P=parts, H=hybrid, R=recumbent, Rw=Rowbike, Hd=Hand Cycle ect. Each company would have a series of symbols after the name indicating their products. That way one list of manufactures could be used for all bicycle related articles. Geo8rge 18:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I created this page so that this list would show it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bicycle_manufacturing_companies why should Enighma Titanium Limited not be listed ? Go ahead and see the debate at Enigma Titanium Limited page or at my discussion page if they delete the page prematurely. Teemu Ruskeepää ( talk) 16:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
and of course they would also need articles:
Unless there's a reason for keeping these companies off the list and out of Wikipedia, I'll start adding them. -- Simplem ( talk) 04:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay. I'll start with an article about Co-motion Cycles. I note that there's a German-language article on Canyon Bicycles on de.wikipedia.org. Is the normal practice to get a translation of that article for en.wikipedia.org? Zosma ( talk)
A few more manufacturers that don't have articles:
Airborne, Banshee, Canfield, Commencal, Foes, Intense, Knolly, Maveric, Niner, On One, Pivot, Ritchey
These are mountain bike manufacturers that have manufacturer forums at mtbr.com. Personally I think articles with names that start with "List of" should be as exhaustive as possible, because even if wikipedia doesn't have information on a particular entry, at least a reader who knows that it exists can look for information elsewhere. Since that's not how these lists are maintained, though, I'll just leave these here and hope that people with more experience here than me or more knowledge of these companies will write articles about them. - 2602:306:CF7C:8480:CA60:FF:FE73:23E7 ( talk) 06:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
There is nothing for Montagner, Vicini, Benotto and lots of other italian bicycle brands and manufacturers. You missed Rog from Slovenia and also Favorit from Chekoslovakia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.178.112.200 ( talk) 19:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the suggestion to merge the article and/or the list ignores the unique history and character of the French industry. The bicycle was invented by the French, as was bicycle racing, and the French bicycle industry grew up around those twin facts. To merge the French industry into a larger list would be to lose sight of the French contribution to cycling. I think the article and the lists in the article should remain as they are. Blue Order ( talk) 06:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The question of this article is, how many of these listed there subcontract another company to make bicycles for them, such as many of these known for being car manufacturers, therefore this make them more of a bicycle brand than being a manufacturer of bicycles. An example of this is Hummer, who has a bicycle manufactured by Montague Bikes, Land Rover is another; also I doubt highly any of these German car manufacturers actually make their own bikes - hence making them a brand name of bicycles.
I'm sure if Nike and Adidas sell bicycles under their own brand, chances are very high that it will be on this list, hence the proposal to rename this list (to possibly List of bicycle manufacturing companies and brands). Donnie Park ( talk) 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
As a response to the above proposal, I have removed bicycle brandnames listed on that list starting with manufacturer that is notable for other things (cars), unless they had history of manufacturing it themselves. Also bracket indicates who manufactures the bicycle. I will transfer this lot and added a guide of which brand is produced by which mfr.
Donnie Park ( talk) 13:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
74.225.54.88 ( talk) 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)I am a woman 4'8" and would like to purchase a road bike. It isn't easy to do so. I had my heart set on a Trec but they don't make a frame small enough. I was told about Ellen Terry Bikes and can't get any information about the company. Does anyone have any suggestions? 74.225.54.88 ( talk) 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Terry on the list of bike brands???
Since an article published by the Globe and Mail has mentioned this company( goods-2-go).Then should not goods-2-go be included? They are currently still in business. Please update records Lite ride ( talk) 15:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I moved List of bicycle manufacturing companies to List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies as their seems to be some issues between the differences between brands and manufacturers. Rather than create a second list of which will largely be a duplicate of the first list, I made an all inclusive Brands and manufacturers.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 17:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Since the addition of brands into this list, this article have rapidly gone down the pan, as it has turned itself into as an edit war prone list. IMHO, I really don't know what to say other than that my only option left is to nominate it for AfD as my patience is running thin. Donnie Park ( talk) 17:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
All of them were available with Saxonette auxiliary motors by Fichtel & Sachs. -- Chief tin cloud ( talk) 10:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
One of the best bike manufacturers in the world... http://www.ciocc.it/index.php/en/ 70.211.11.167 ( talk) 21:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
The Article on Wikipedia on the above has been written, it also has a number of links to a number of sources. Will you please leave it on the list as the list is referred to in the article. Other entries of cycle companies on this list do not have such good references and the rules of the site do not state that the article must not be in draft. There is currently a 2 month waiting article for approval. If, for some reason the article is rejected for good reason then please feel free to delete the entry, but please leave it on for now. Canol ( talk) 17:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I have undone the edit in question again for the following two reasons.
Finally, the "rules" don't mention drafts because drafts are a new feature. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 21:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Canol, please post a link to your draft and I'll look at it.-- Degen Earthfast ( talk) 14:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
This article could be improved by explaining what a manufacturer, brand, product line, and company each is, and how they are related. An example might be the Delancy P. Harris Manufacturing Company (not notable) who made the Rollfast (not notable) brand of bicycles, with parts made by the Homer P. Snyder Manufacturing Company (not notable), with models such as the Hopalong Cassidy boys and girls bicycles (not notable). Perhaps the article could also explain the close relationship between assembly and manufacture. I believe the statements that "brands manufacture" and "manufacturers that are brands" reflect the heart of this article's problems. Statements such as those could be better explained as "companies that manufacture" and "companies with eponymous brands" (i.e., the brand is named after the company, rather than the brand manufacturing something). Also, the article could be improved by listing former manufacturers that went bankrupt as defunct, even if their assets (e.g., trademark brands) may have been acquired by a receivership. For example, Pope was reorganized into Westfield (not notable), then by Torrington Company (not notable), and then by the Modern Tool and Die Company (not notable), and then final bankruptcy in 1980's or so. This would help explain the difference between a former American manufacturer, and a present multinational conglomerate in Canada that sells Chinese bicycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 ( talk) 22:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The criterion that items on this is stated as that each is sufficiently notable to have its own page, and that seems to be vigorously enforced. There's considerable leeway on the criteria for a list, as described here. I would favor being more inclusive, but perhaps there is a history of problems that I don't know about that this choice was intended to solve?
Ccrrccrr ( talk) 18:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Basically what the template says, given the length of this list, would it make sense to have the defunct brands and manufacturers in their own list? 162.208.168.92 ( talk) 20:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Oppose One of the many purposes of Wikipedia is to enable readers to find the information they seek. A reader will not necessarily know whether a company is active or defunct. Splitting the list would require a reader to search in separate places. It does concern me that we already have country specific lists which already makes searching more difficult. Personally I find list articles like this less than useful and in an ideal world I would nominate this and very many other "list" articles for deletion but I know that the "List makers of Wikipedia" (soon to be turned into an Oscar winning film) will fight back with vigour. While we retain such lists, I would strongly urge that we keep them simple, listing only notable items and maintained as singular lists and not divided by some arbitrary property. Velella Velella Talk 21:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a bicycle brand called that is not mentioned on the list. They are also in the Cycleurope Organisation. Fazzy007 ( talk) 08:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)