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First of all, there is a consensus to use option C instead of the current methodology. Discussion among editors shows that this option will result in a less biased list, as it will present readers with the official number of sales as well as the claimed sales (which must always be accompanied by independent reliable sources). While participants agreed that certified sales are the most "official" source for the sales of a band or artist, they can be flawed due to a variety of reasons, such as the year of creation and flawed methodology, and the claimed sales will provide the missing information.
Editors are recommended to keep discussing how to improve the list, such as deciding a cut-off number for number of sales (claimed or certified).
(As a note, option C had already been implemented in the article by the time I formally closed the discussion, which was requested at WP:RFCC.) ( non-admin closure) Isabelle 🏳🌈 02:33, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Should this article list best-selling music artists by:
Vladimir.copic ( talk) 02:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
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Here's my overall opinion on the options, as there's some pros and cons to the options listed above:
With that being said I'm leaning towards C atm but I'm not so sure so I can't decide rn. Moh8213 ( talk) 13:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
This should be the first RfC of many regarding improving the current state of the page. I hope this results in positive change, whatever it may be. I strongly support the idea that verifiable sources should be used at any and every possibility on this project, and this article that is full of contention regarding claims and numbers should absolutely limit itself to only verifiable sources. To do anything else just creates further controversy. If we can point to the exact numbers listed by the certifying agency, there can be no argument about those numbers. FrederalBacon ( talk) 16:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
While I agree with most of the points you guys have brought, tbh I really don't support the idea of adding a billion sales claim for all those 3 artists, while this may settle the conflicts between those 3 artists' record sales, it is a fact that one of 'em sold more than the other, and its a fact we need to accept (especially for the fans of those artists). Record sales were decent in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but they definitely weren't strong enough to push all those 3 artists to a billion records, also we have to consider that the population was a lot smaller back then, plus other than the current certified sales we have on those 3 artists, we aren't supposed to believe that they sold as much (if not even more) in the developing world than in the developed world, it just doesn't make sense whatsoever. In fact, we are already considering the Beatles' 600 million records claim as inflated, so what would justify us to use the billion sales claim for all those 3 artists? Moh8213 ( talk) 18:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
It will be very misleading to only use certified sales, because only a handful of countries have a certification system, and it doesn't cover the total ww sales of the artist. If we solely gonna use the B option, then all newer artists will go to the top of the list, with Drake being at the very top, this gon' make readers to believe that Drake is the "best-selling artist of all time" which is far from being the case, that's simply due to certifications (thanks to streaming) are pretty much worthless nowadays, it'd make artists (especially the newer ones) easily obtain gold and multi-platinum record certifications, and that's where claimed sales come into place, by also using the claimed sales (which covers the certified sales + sales from other territories), and by adding the certified sales itself, we at least gonna have a balance between the certified sales and the claimed sales of the artist. Moh8213 ( talk) 21:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: If we decide to keep "Certified units" in this article, then the number of artists should be trimmed down. Please note that currently there are 118 artists on this page, and believe me, nobody will give a sh1t to update and maintain all of their certifications from 23 different organizations (per my count on this page). That's a lot lot work to do, and people are just gonna care for their favorites. Per User:Moh8213, even if there's one dedicated editor updating the figures daily, they still wouldn't be here forever. Bluesatellite ( talk) 01:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: It's been a week since @ Harout72 decided to stop updating or getting involve in the list. Usually, he's very active to ensure all certified sales of each artists being updated daily, while me in the other hand make sure all "deserved artist" included on the list with the right estimation sales release by a highly regarded news organization. Harout72 and me, we never own this list. We're just editor who care with the content inside. Both of us handle the list since 2012 until last week (10 years) and because of that, you guys able to enjoy seeing your favorites artist in the list from David Bowie, Alicia Keys, Luke Bryan, Usher, Shakira, Alabama, R. Kelly, Robbie Williams, Bob Seger, Enya, Bob Marley, The Police, Aretha Franklin, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Johnny Cash, Simon & Garfunkel, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Linkin Park, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, Maroon 5, Kanye West, Chris Brown, Flo Rida, Drake, Justin Bieber, Adele, Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Nicki Minaj, Ed Sheeran, Imagine Dragons, Ariana Grande, The Weeknd to Post Malone. Of course this list isn't perfect but we're able to make this list survive and quite reliable with support from many of the world's greatest news organization for 10 years. Now, with @ Harout72 decided to stop. I'm not sure this list will continue to look reliable and fun enough without Harout72 and me. Whatever your choice with A or B or C or D. Politsi ( talk) 08:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I think it's harsh/unfair to trim the current 118 artists on this list, there are pretty significant artists in the 75 million club like Nirvana, Enya, Bob Marley, Tupac, just to name a few. Even if we removed some of the artists on this list, it'll still be difficult to update/maintain the list daily, it's also an incredibly time-consuming and rather "confusing" process, and that's why I'm hesitant on choosing the C option. The reason why it was smooth for Harout to update this list for all this time is because he has detailed files which includes the certified sales for all artists on this list, hence it was easy and less confusing for him to update this list, but now since Harout isn't active, idk how it's gonna turn out, I don't mind if he gonna come back and continue editing this article, but if gonna do so, then this time he has to be much more open minded towards other people's POV's. There's one solution in my mind that might solve the C option issue, and that's to bring a bot that'd automatically update the artists' certified sales every time a new certification pop up in the database, ik this may sound ridiculous, but tbh it's interesting to consider, I'm sure this solution also has it's own flaws, but in this way we won't be concerned about updating the certified sales. Moh8213 ( talk) 23:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
No one care about the rule of Ownership or Deadline or whatever you are saying. Everyone looking for a completed and a fresh list with a new detail of certified Sales and claim sales from a very reliable source. That's how this list should be. Looking on the edit history of the list. I never see your name @TheWikiholic consistently do some effort to maintain the reliability of the list. Politsi ( talk) 20:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Whatever "methodology"/"option" followed, seems there will always exits inclusion/removal of some artists. With option C, it can be perfectly added virtually every artist and their claimed sales with the minimum amount established, either 75, 100 or above. Thus, many of the artists that y'll haven't probably heard, from non-English speaking areas, will have an 'automatic inclusion'; supported by English sources, or newspaper of record/news organization of their areas. If the list still existing, I would suggest one more time, having an artist's page with their numbers (Talk:List of best-selling music artists/X example) to track their numbers. - Apoxyomenus ( talk) 21:12, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we have to be concerned about non-Western artists, as it'll be very unlikely that they've sold at least more than 75 million records or more, let's take China and India for example, while they do have an enormous population, in fact China/India has more inhabitants than North America, Central America and South America COMBINED, yet for the longest time, both of these countries barely made the top 20 of the global music markets. In other words, China and India has pretty weak music markets, much weaker than other markets like the United States, Japan, Europe etc... and with the lack of a certification system in both countries, I don't see any reason to include artists from those regions. Moh8213 ( talk) 16:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
It says she’s active from 1967 to the present. She retired in 2011 due to supranuclear palsy and Parkinson’s disease. She was really active from 1967 to 2011. The “List of Best-Selling Music Artists” page is uneditable to “prevent vandalism”. Eric Nelson27 ( talk) 08:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this rule should be abolished, as it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to limit entry just to three artists, cuz first of all, who are we to judge how much an artist contributed to a song? Cuz no matter how minor their contribution were, they've got paid for it at the end of the day, and as long as they're appropriately listed as a "featured" artist on the track, then surely we should include the certification to that artist's overall certified sales. If there are no objections, then I guess it's safe to say that we'll proceed with the change. Moh8213 ( talk) 18:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. It's been a while. I applaud all of your work and understand this list has been the source of much contention lately. I'd like to open up some dialogue, as I haven't been around for quite some time.
I propose that we move Rihanna down to the 200-250 million group. She started in 2005, has not had any wildly successful album sales and is just postured by her certifications from streaming and singles. As an example, Eminem is an artist from 1999-2000 and he also is in the same certification range (320-340 million), yet he has actually released albums that have sold 20-25 million physical copies. My suggestion is have Rihanna at the top of Tier 2 with the claim of 230m, Eminem next with his current claim of 220m and the rest of the list remains untouched. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.-- PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 06:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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90.246.80.228 ( talk) 22:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Sabhi Jaman is a popular youtuber
Hi. What level of certifications should Christina Aguilera have under the new guidelines to adding her among the 100 million records sold group? It can be supported by this source from NME magazine. Melketon ( talk) 14:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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In Section "250 million or more records" change table heading "Release year of first charted record" to "Release-year of first charted record".
This will match the other tables on the page. 199.27.253.151 ( talk) 22:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Christina Aguilera has sold over 130 -150 million records by now sony recently updated it she's the only 2000s female artist with a DIAMOND certified single so please update Xtina sales asap!!!!!!! 190.83.130.92 ( talk) 09:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Coldplay's single 'A Sky Full of Stars' has certified 2x Platinum, Viva la Vida has certified 3x Platinum in Germany. Esambuu ( talk) 00:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
On December 8, RIAA certified singles equal to a total of 27m units, but they only added 20m to Drake's tally, thus bringing his total from 164m to 184m. What should we do in this situation? Should we add the 27m or the 20m? TheWikiholic ( talk) 09:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
MM | Title |
---|---|
2 | 0 TO 100 / THE CATCH UP |
1 | 10 BANDS |
1 | 6 GOD |
1 | 9 |
2 | ALL ME |
2 | BACK TO BACK |
1 | BEHIND BARZ (BONUS) |
4 | BEST I EVER HAD |
2 | BIG RINGS |
1 | BLEM |
1 | CHILDS PLAY |
5 | CONTROLLA |
1 | CREW LOVE |
1 | DIAMONDS DANCING (FEAT. FUTURE) |
1 | DIGITAL DASH |
1 | DO NOT DISTURB |
1 | DOING IT WRONG |
3 | ENERGY |
4 | FAKE LOVE |
1 | FANCY |
1 | FEEL NO WAYS |
3 | FIND YOUR LOVE |
1 | FIRE & DESIRE |
6 | FOREVER |
1 | FREE SMOKE |
1 | FROM TIME |
1 | FURTHEST THING |
15 | GOD'S PLAN |
1 | GRAMMYS |
1 | GYALCHESTER |
4 | HEADLINES |
6 | HOLD ON, WE'RE GOING HOME |
10 | HOTLINE BLING |
2 | HYFR (HELLYA FUCKING RIGHT) |
1 | HYPE |
1 | I'M GOIN IN |
3 | I'M UPSET |
5 | IN MY FEELINGS |
5 | JUMPMAN |
1 | JUNGLE |
2 | KNOW YOURSELF |
2 | LEGEND |
1 | MAKE ME PROUD |
3 | MARVINS ROOM |
1 | ME |
1 | MISS ME |
7 | NONSTOP |
10 | ONE DANCE (FEAT. WIZKID & KYLA) |
3 | OVER |
3 | PASSIONFRUIT |
2 | POP STYLE |
2 | PORTLAND |
1 | POUND CAKE/PARIS MORTON MUSIC 2 |
1 | PRACTICE |
1 | REDEMPTION |
1 | RIGHT HAND |
1 | SCHOLARSHIPS |
1 | SIGNS |
1 | SNEAKIN' |
6 | STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM |
1 | STILL HERE |
1 | SUCCESSFUL |
1 | SUMMER SIXTEEN |
5 | TAKE CARE |
1 | TEENAGE FEVER |
1 | THE LANGUAGE |
6 | THE MOTTO |
3 | TOO GOOD |
1 | TOO MUCH |
1 | U WITH ME? |
1 | UP ALL NIGHT |
5 | WHAT |
1 | WITH YOU |
1 | WORST BEHAVIOR |
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Why are Rihanna's claimed sales lower than her confirmed ones? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Someone most add the missing certification of Lady gaga. In uk gold for Love game. In Canada Platinum for Hold my hand. In France a Platinum for Million Reasons. 151.66.39.126 ( talk) 18:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
And in Germany the songs Million Reasons and Rain on me are now certified gold — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.39.126 ( talk) 08:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The song Is that alright has been certified silver in the Uk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 19:10, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
New Gold certification for Hold my hand in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 14:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Why nobody adds the missing certification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 11:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 11:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
New Gold certification for Rain on me and Million Reasons in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 16:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
New Silver certification for Look what I Found in Uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 22:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC) In Italy the album Born this way gained is second Platinum certification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 15:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Please add the missing certification in Germany and Italy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 18:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@ TheWikiholic: can you add the missing certification please? And the close this talk cause is a bit long? Thank you
Thank you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.20.99 ( talk) 12:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Why aren't the Who included on this list? They have sold over 100 million records worldwide. I would like for someone to tell me about this. 2601:407:4100:87A0:C984:185F:AB7D:9A56 ( talk) 22:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Where is Rihanna on this list? 2A02:C7C:9027:5F00:3451:25DF:DEDA:9740 ( talk) 13:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Seems like Beyoncé and her team are doing major updates in Brasil, over an estimated 2 million units. 190.80.12.168 ( talk) 21:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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Shouldn't Taylor Swift be moved to the top sales category now that she's surpassed 250,000,000 in certified sales? Seano287 ( talk) 21:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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Mariah has over 270M claimed sales, according to her own website https://mariahcarey.com/about-us/ she has over 200M albums sold, and certified singles has over 70M. Username2323432 ( talk) 19:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is Cliff Richard not included? Billboard has him at 260 million sales. 2603:6011:2CF0:84F0:F9C8:5684:B12A:160E ( talk) 04:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I found a better source to support Aguilera's stats at 90 million records sold from Omaha World-Herald newspaper, but I can't edit the page. Can anyone did it? Thanks. Melketon ( talk) 19:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Hey, do you know why Kylie Minogue is not included in this list? A lot of sources mention thay she has sold 80 million records. KARANSUTTA ( talk) 06:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Christina Aguilera sold over 115M-150M records please update it!!! Jordanroopnarine ( talk) 19:10, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Harout72 has been counting the physical and digital single sales from RIAA separately, even though RIAA began combining singles certifications for most of their new certifications. Should we continue to do that if RIAA doesn't have separate entries for both physical certifications and digital certifications?— TheWikiholic ( talk) 14:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I can no longer find the section detailing the criteria for an artist to be included (the needed share of certified sales to claimed sales). Is it still 70% for newer artists? 89.23.224.5 ( talk) 09:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Why is Taylor Swift not ahead of Mariah Carey When swift's certified sales is over 250 million, and Carey's is only 211 million?
Can someond please make that fix.
I'm not just saying that is a big swiftie, but those are officially certified units. I thought that is what the list is organized by. Chelldog ( talk) 19:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Please, Carey has sold far more than Taylor did. Streams does not equate to sales. The most Taylor sold is probably 150 million records in absolute numbers, 200 million is inflated claim. Mariah is actually closer to 250 million record with over 80% of her total certified records are non-streams. fidelovkurt 17:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Maiden have sold over 130million albums world wide how come they do not appear? Tonedeaf101 ( talk) 11:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
The Grammy Museum has a new exhibit showcasing Shakira’s career and claiming she has sold over 125 million records. I found a source from last year which sustains this claim as well.
[2] https://www.therichest.com/rich-powerful/numbers-dont-lie-the-highest-grossing-albums-of-shakira-ranked/amp/
[3] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrA5k6iaYAAQtsw?format=jpg&name=large 2806:2F0:91E0:86F2:209D:93F6:3DD9:2ABA ( talk) 03:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Why is Lady Gaga only at 124 million? I’m guessing her sales have not been updated yet, aren’t her sales like 170 million now? 2600:1700:4DC0:1140:1C2:B674:97C1:2AFB ( talk) 05:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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The Beatles let it be single was certified gold in 2021 for the sales of 100,000 and was never added to the Beatles certified sales. [1] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 17:39, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles French sales from 3,990 million to 4,090 million as the Let It Be single was certified gold in France in 2021, but was never added. [2] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 20:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles french sales from 3,990 million to 4,090 million since No one ever added the gold French certification for the Let It Be single for sales of 100,000 that was certified in 2021. Did i word it better this time ?. [3] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 21:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
I do not understand why is this list not ranked by total certified units from the official websites, but its rather ranked by claimed sales from random articles, and even then, the ranking is wrong. Mbaban ( talk) 00:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, can you share Coldplay's certified file? Esambuu ( talk) 08:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles French certifications from 3,990 million to 4,090 million because the you forgot to include The Let It Be single which was certified Gold in 2021.for the sales of 100,000. [4] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 17:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the request, be aware of Note B: "Certification systems have been established periodically throughout the past half century; thus, certification databases are not able to cover all sales. Some (or all) records released and sold prior to a certification system's establishment year may not be found within the available searchable certification databases." Has this change been acknowledged by the relevant French certification database? If yes, do you have a source on that certification from their website? Actualcpscm ( talk) 21:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
This is inaccurate data, Doesn't match the latest RiAA data.. what happens?
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Salvabl is doing world wiki terrorism. he is modifying the data of each language Wikipedia with completely unfounded data.
Please compare the RIAA figures in the wiki document with the latest RIAA data which is really accurate.
In particular, it corrects MJ's RIAA measurements to be significantly exaggerated. MJ USA sales volume in this document is based on RIAA 2013, which is completely different from RIAA 2023 data.
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Apr/2023 RIAA Figures -
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section
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Can we get a file with all the Beatles certifications ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveharleywoof ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Salvabl is World wiki Terrorist, This Wiki RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 m / Real RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
MJ USA sales volume in this document is based on RIAA 2013, which is completely different from RIAA 2023 data.
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Apr/2023 RIAA Figures - https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section 39.114.157.194 ( talk) 09:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Billy Murray is a singer who is said to have sold as many as 300,000,000 records in the early 1900s. He needs to be included 2600:1015:B120:3229:813A:FD25:4CCE:E022 ( talk) 03:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to ask how many certified sales should Tina have for her to claim 180 million records (or even 200 million records sales)? Thank you! Loibird90 ( talk) 11:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Update 186.205.68.114 ( talk) 02:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
http://www.mariah-charts.com/chartdata/Brasil.htm 186.205.68.114 ( talk) 02:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Where is the Who on this List? 2601:18C:8100:E030:80B1:2FC4:4A13:39B3 ( talk) 13:56, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change Shakira's sales from 75M to 95M. Here's billboard's article, dated 04/24/2023, as citation: https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-billboard-latin-woman-of-the-year-1235313382/ Rudramebarak ( talk) 16:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
As more than one knows Céline Dion sold much more than the 180 million to 200 million they put her, in fact both Mariah Carey and Céline Dion exceed 230 million if you add singles and albums of each, although Céline is the second best selling albums only surpassed by Madonna and Rihanna is pure streaming and singles sales.
See Chartmasters: https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-albums-and-singles-of-all-time/16/ 181.122.150.214 ( talk) 03:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Has Pearl Jam sold enough albums to be on this list ? Goodbyestranger ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
elton johns tally in the states has not change in an age cold heart has been cert at over two million not been counted plus with fwybr tour sales of gh and streaming of his songs must be 4 million plus 121.75.198.109 ( talk) 09:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
She has sold 80 million records. KARANSUTTA ( talk) 22:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Why is she the only relevant female artist missing here? There are people here with 25m certified units. she has far more than that. arround 100m? can anyone fix this 2A0C:5A80:250B:5900:B9AD:4B77:CBA3:DFFF ( talk) 15:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
First and foremost, I’d like to thank everyone who contributed to this article, though I noticed that BVMI has re-certified tons of old records throughout Q1 and most of Q2 2023, and it seems that some artists’ record sales in this list aren’t upgraded with the recent updated certifications provided by BVMI, if I wanted to, I’d have done those upgrades by myself but unfortunately I don’t have time. For an easy layout you can check the monthly data reports made by BVMI here. Moh8213 ( talk) 17:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
The US President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities website now cites Lady Gaga's sales as 170 million. Her current certified total is over 163 million so this is a better estimate than the outdated 124 million one.
Cited here: https://www.imls.gov/pcah/lady-gaga and here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/
Older links with the same total: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705193602/https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions/19231/ SpearsRR ( talk) 23:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
And must be added the new certification in Poland and in Italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.21.148.176 ( talk) 07:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC) New certification in Germany for Love game e Always remember as this way. Both gold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 17:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Lady Gaga 170 million records sold should be updated. The US government is an much betteer source than most of the sources used for other artists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.85.28.146 ( talk) 17:45, 2 June 2023 (UTC) Always remember as this way is now certified double Platinum in italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 14:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
In the uk, shallow is now 5 platinum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 17:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Update 21,750,000 Chacravartim ( talk) 00:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
All sources (which originate from early newspapers) say he sold at least 300 million records. Jon19939 ( talk) 01:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why Gaga was not update? Even her own page says 170 million 177.39.93.176 ( talk) 21:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
It says Taylor swift has certified sales of over 250 million units, but Mariah Carey's sales is 211 million. So why is Taylor swift not ahead if Mariah Carey? Chelldog ( talk) 23:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
This week Grande received a major certification update from ARIA. Is there a way to take her record sales to 100 million now? It would be great to get a feedback. Best regards. Mirrored7 ( talk) 18:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we continue to rank artists by estimated sales, or should we instead categorize them by certified sales? This is not to discredit The Beatles, but there appears to be a significant discrepancy between these two values. The certified sales seem to account for the key markets, which is especially important considering that the majority e.g. of Beatles record sales likely occurred before 2000, predating the emergence of new markets. 2A02:C7C:EC31:4200:9D09:BCDB:BCBF:DAA8 ( talk) 09:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
His wiki page even claims in the second paragraph: Mathis is the third best-selling artist of the 20th century, selling 360 million records worldwide. 2601:648:8100:31B:6C2B:42D8:2A48:5925 ( talk) 02:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
According to the Guinness World Record, Julio Iglesias has sold over 250 million copies as of 2006 Source. Since certifications minimums are no longer a requirement, can this be updated? Erick ( talk) 18:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Add missing Police French certifications, the 1990 greatest hits was certified double Platinum for the sales of 600,000 in 1991 and Zenyatta Mondatta was re-released in 1990 on CD and was certified gold in 1991 for 100,000. The Police french certified sales should go from 3,340 million to 4,040 million. [6] [7] Carlyvain ( talk) 04:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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Carey is closing quickly the gap between her certified records and total sales claims. Is it time to move her to 250 MILLION Club? if not, what threshold should she reach to move her into that category? fidelovkurt 12:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Even the smallest changes in other artists are added minus Lady Gaga's. The White House itself (which should be a more relevant source than most of those used to sustain the sales of other artists) puts it in the league of 170 million records. However, even with the frequent request of other users, sales are not updated. My question is direct to The Wikiholic, Everm4e and Apoxyomenus: if you don't like it, give the edition of the page to people who are impartial and will put your passions aside. We all know that you inflate the sales of the artists you prefer, but subtracting Lady Gaga's sales just by not liking her is not the right thing, especially when she meets all the necessary requirements.
So, one last time: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/ 177.39.93.141 ( talk) 16:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC) And many recent certification are not on the list. No one never add them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.21.138.142 ( talk) 14:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Record sales for almost every act on this list are a mix of albums, singles and equivalent units generated from streams.
Lady Gaga 170 million sales sources:
Attitude magazine - https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/film-tv/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions-297191/
White House (dot gov) - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/
The current figure of 124 million is likely too low for her pure digital single sales alone. 170 million is more than applicable considering the sources alongside certified units within 5 million of the total. SpearsRR ( talk) 20:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 06:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.56.10 ( talk)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 14:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
We need to change the figure of 2,840 million to 3,040 million.
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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Change Lady Gaga sales from 124 million to 170 million (please read the talk page to understand that this figures represents the pure sales, without adding streamings and note that Billboard article is from 2016) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
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ABBA, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis and Linkin Park are no longer active. 109.120.204.227 ( talk) 06:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Miley Cyrus alone has more than 100M units in the US only certified. https://www.riaa.com/gold-%20platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=miley+cyrus#search_section can anyoane please add here already? 83.37.169.40 ( talk) 07:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
How did Beyonce come from 100 million records sold last year to 200 million this year? Did she sold 100 million from 2022-2023? Phạm Huy Thông ( talk) 18:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
200 million sales 92.19.72.28 ( talk) 06:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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George Michael sold over 120 million records in his solo career, earning a spot in the 120-190 category. Also, many sources include his Wham! record sales in his sales figures, which would bring his total sales to 150+. Southport1639 ( talk) 13:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
I opened a page on this topic a few months ago. Unfortunately, I didn't get an answer. Grande's certified sales are over 150 million, so surely she must be eligible for over 100 million record sales? All it takes is a reliable source, so she can be included in that range? Does it have to be current too? Mirrored7 ( talk) 14:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
https://people.com/madonna-is-still-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-8382770 Copy Editor ( talk) 19:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Madonna should be at 400 million with the new Guinness — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fstar042346 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic but maybe Guy Lombardo should be mentioned on this list? These two pages say he sold between 100 and 300 million records but I don't know what their sources are:
CalebBill ( talk) 01:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Something is absolutely wrong with the US numbers. How can musicians sold 250 million records in the us and then 1,5 million un Japan or 15 million in UK. The method to analyze the records sold in the us seems pretty flawed. Statistically, it doesn’t make sens. 2806:102E:18:37AE:D003:C21E:7490:4DBC ( talk) 21:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey! Here a study about Depeche Mode’s sales during their hole career. Should be added - https://chartmasters.org/depeche-mode-albums-and-songs-sales/?fbclid=IwAR3XGo0i3dm2v3tlqwn0tiVMSWfiTcW35U7enGOOgb2HIY8-31norU6amjg_aem_ASJgpwXEk10RL5Ffnqu8v0w5V51x09gF3oR2GLon5rcFHKbbuN3SrOVTRNLd_9rpzjc 2A00:F41:1890:7AFA:BC26:9D75:CB78:650F ( talk) 16:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
For Rihanna, it says "Total certified units" = 361.8 million, and "Claimed sales" = 250 million or 230 million. Is this correct? I mean, how can claimed sales be actually less than certified sales? 2A00:23C8:7B09:FA01:AD2A:5B8D:55B7:93D6 ( talk) 23:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
[4] Matheushpdutra ( talk) 19:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
with 300 million sales Sir Cliff Richard should be on this list. It is insulting he is not 122.150.182.114 ( talk) 09:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Adjusting Lady Gaga's record sales figures is warranted to reflect a more accurate estimate. The current listing of 124 million records sold should be updated to 170 million records, aligning with various sources. Billboard's 2016 report indicated 27 million albums and 146 million singles, totaling 173 million records, emphasizing pure sales. Lady Gaga's team disclosed streaming numbers of 275 million in 2020 and an update to 393 million in 2022 during the Chromatica Ball Tour press release. This proposed adjustment provides a conservative and reasonable estimate, considering the music industry's shift toward streaming. For consistency, accuracy, and industry standards, the article should be updated to state Lady Gaga's record sales as ranging from 120 million to 199 million records, suggested 170 million. [5] Matheushpdutra ( talk) 23:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Eminem deos have claimed to have 300-400 million sales so i think he was to low when is saw this list LeoDeCoster ( talk) 14:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change the number of Taylor Swift certified units in Mexico from the current 640,000 units to 1.48 million units, as the current certified sales figure more than doubles the previous figure.
Taylor Swift's certifications in Mexico can be viewed on AMPROFON's official website by typing "Taylor Swift" in the artist field. https://amprofon.com.mx/es/pages/certificaciones.php
Please note that certifications in Mexico work differently from those in the US and UK, so consult the AMPROFON Wikipedia page to understand how they work. /info/en/?search=Asociación_Mexicana_de_Productores_de_Fonogramas_y_Videogramas EdRomo13 ( talk) 16:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Spintendo 23:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)2. Michael Jackson 339,438,000 3. Elvis 321,822,000 4. Queen 280,974,000 5. Madonna 248,680,000 6. The Rolling Stones 244,849,000 7. Pink Floyd 238,857,000 8. Frank Sinatra 230,326,000 9. Eminem 209,430,000 10. Elton John 209,348,000
Please see link below. There have been some updates to the best selling music artist list. https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ Tamparuth ( talk) 01:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
According to The Guinness World Records, Madonna has already sold more tha 400 million records. [4] https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist 83.37.49.66 ( talk) 14:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Someone needs to check the figures on Rihanna! Her certified sales seem way too high and if they are true then why is she the only artist whose claimed sales are LOWER than her certified sales? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.29.21.190 ( talk) 09:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that Nirvana's total has a slash (/) instead of a point (.) as a separator. I can't edit it so I just ask that it ba changed by someone who can. I named this as "Small Edits" so that this can be a topic for other edits as well that users like me notice but can't edit. Derfboy ( talk) 21:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The Jackson brothers are supposed to have sold more than 100 million records, and should be somewhere in this list. 151.20.180.194 ( talk) 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The Jackson brothers are supposed to have sold more than 100 million records, and should be somewhere in this list. 151.20.180.194 ( talk) 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Whitney Houston has 163,9 million certified units that is 74,5% for 220 million sales claimed so can we move her numbers up? Phạm Huy Thông ( talk) 23:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Madonna is re-certified by Guinness world records for 400 million sales. This should be updated in all Wikipedia pages. 2A02:2149:8B34:9000:ED86:BE13:3F07:F772 ( talk) 07:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Why you added Madonna and Britney certification in Spain but not Lady gaga certifications? LilTrilly ( talk) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
What is the problem? You added the Spanish certifications for other artists but not for Lady gaga — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilTrilly ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Here the sources: Shallow: https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=LADY+GAGA+%2F+BRADLEY+COOPER&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=SHALLOW&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D=
Always remember us this way: https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=LADY+GAGA&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=ALWAYS+REMEMBER+US+THIS+WAY&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D=
Now you can add to the list. LilTrilly ( talk) 16:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Why nobody adds all the Spain certifications? And Lady Gaga got a new certification in Italy too. LilTrilly ( talk) 15:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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First of all, there is a consensus to use option C instead of the current methodology. Discussion among editors shows that this option will result in a less biased list, as it will present readers with the official number of sales as well as the claimed sales (which must always be accompanied by independent reliable sources). While participants agreed that certified sales are the most "official" source for the sales of a band or artist, they can be flawed due to a variety of reasons, such as the year of creation and flawed methodology, and the claimed sales will provide the missing information.
Editors are recommended to keep discussing how to improve the list, such as deciding a cut-off number for number of sales (claimed or certified).
(As a note, option C had already been implemented in the article by the time I formally closed the discussion, which was requested at WP:RFCC.) ( non-admin closure) Isabelle 🏳🌈 02:33, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Should this article list best-selling music artists by:
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Here's my overall opinion on the options, as there's some pros and cons to the options listed above:
With that being said I'm leaning towards C atm but I'm not so sure so I can't decide rn. Moh8213 ( talk) 13:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
This should be the first RfC of many regarding improving the current state of the page. I hope this results in positive change, whatever it may be. I strongly support the idea that verifiable sources should be used at any and every possibility on this project, and this article that is full of contention regarding claims and numbers should absolutely limit itself to only verifiable sources. To do anything else just creates further controversy. If we can point to the exact numbers listed by the certifying agency, there can be no argument about those numbers. FrederalBacon ( talk) 16:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
While I agree with most of the points you guys have brought, tbh I really don't support the idea of adding a billion sales claim for all those 3 artists, while this may settle the conflicts between those 3 artists' record sales, it is a fact that one of 'em sold more than the other, and its a fact we need to accept (especially for the fans of those artists). Record sales were decent in the 50s, 60s and 70s, but they definitely weren't strong enough to push all those 3 artists to a billion records, also we have to consider that the population was a lot smaller back then, plus other than the current certified sales we have on those 3 artists, we aren't supposed to believe that they sold as much (if not even more) in the developing world than in the developed world, it just doesn't make sense whatsoever. In fact, we are already considering the Beatles' 600 million records claim as inflated, so what would justify us to use the billion sales claim for all those 3 artists? Moh8213 ( talk) 18:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
It will be very misleading to only use certified sales, because only a handful of countries have a certification system, and it doesn't cover the total ww sales of the artist. If we solely gonna use the B option, then all newer artists will go to the top of the list, with Drake being at the very top, this gon' make readers to believe that Drake is the "best-selling artist of all time" which is far from being the case, that's simply due to certifications (thanks to streaming) are pretty much worthless nowadays, it'd make artists (especially the newer ones) easily obtain gold and multi-platinum record certifications, and that's where claimed sales come into place, by also using the claimed sales (which covers the certified sales + sales from other territories), and by adding the certified sales itself, we at least gonna have a balance between the certified sales and the claimed sales of the artist. Moh8213 ( talk) 21:46, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: If we decide to keep "Certified units" in this article, then the number of artists should be trimmed down. Please note that currently there are 118 artists on this page, and believe me, nobody will give a sh1t to update and maintain all of their certifications from 23 different organizations (per my count on this page). That's a lot lot work to do, and people are just gonna care for their favorites. Per User:Moh8213, even if there's one dedicated editor updating the figures daily, they still wouldn't be here forever. Bluesatellite ( talk) 01:57, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: It's been a week since @ Harout72 decided to stop updating or getting involve in the list. Usually, he's very active to ensure all certified sales of each artists being updated daily, while me in the other hand make sure all "deserved artist" included on the list with the right estimation sales release by a highly regarded news organization. Harout72 and me, we never own this list. We're just editor who care with the content inside. Both of us handle the list since 2012 until last week (10 years) and because of that, you guys able to enjoy seeing your favorites artist in the list from David Bowie, Alicia Keys, Luke Bryan, Usher, Shakira, Alabama, R. Kelly, Robbie Williams, Bob Seger, Enya, Bob Marley, The Police, Aretha Franklin, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, Johnny Cash, Simon & Garfunkel, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Linkin Park, Coldplay, Lil Wayne, Maroon 5, Kanye West, Chris Brown, Flo Rida, Drake, Justin Bieber, Adele, Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Nicki Minaj, Ed Sheeran, Imagine Dragons, Ariana Grande, The Weeknd to Post Malone. Of course this list isn't perfect but we're able to make this list survive and quite reliable with support from many of the world's greatest news organization for 10 years. Now, with @ Harout72 decided to stop. I'm not sure this list will continue to look reliable and fun enough without Harout72 and me. Whatever your choice with A or B or C or D. Politsi ( talk) 08:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
I think it's harsh/unfair to trim the current 118 artists on this list, there are pretty significant artists in the 75 million club like Nirvana, Enya, Bob Marley, Tupac, just to name a few. Even if we removed some of the artists on this list, it'll still be difficult to update/maintain the list daily, it's also an incredibly time-consuming and rather "confusing" process, and that's why I'm hesitant on choosing the C option. The reason why it was smooth for Harout to update this list for all this time is because he has detailed files which includes the certified sales for all artists on this list, hence it was easy and less confusing for him to update this list, but now since Harout isn't active, idk how it's gonna turn out, I don't mind if he gonna come back and continue editing this article, but if gonna do so, then this time he has to be much more open minded towards other people's POV's. There's one solution in my mind that might solve the C option issue, and that's to bring a bot that'd automatically update the artists' certified sales every time a new certification pop up in the database, ik this may sound ridiculous, but tbh it's interesting to consider, I'm sure this solution also has it's own flaws, but in this way we won't be concerned about updating the certified sales. Moh8213 ( talk) 23:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
No one care about the rule of Ownership or Deadline or whatever you are saying. Everyone looking for a completed and a fresh list with a new detail of certified Sales and claim sales from a very reliable source. That's how this list should be. Looking on the edit history of the list. I never see your name @TheWikiholic consistently do some effort to maintain the reliability of the list. Politsi ( talk) 20:45, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Whatever "methodology"/"option" followed, seems there will always exits inclusion/removal of some artists. With option C, it can be perfectly added virtually every artist and their claimed sales with the minimum amount established, either 75, 100 or above. Thus, many of the artists that y'll haven't probably heard, from non-English speaking areas, will have an 'automatic inclusion'; supported by English sources, or newspaper of record/news organization of their areas. If the list still existing, I would suggest one more time, having an artist's page with their numbers (Talk:List of best-selling music artists/X example) to track their numbers. - Apoxyomenus ( talk) 21:12, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we have to be concerned about non-Western artists, as it'll be very unlikely that they've sold at least more than 75 million records or more, let's take China and India for example, while they do have an enormous population, in fact China/India has more inhabitants than North America, Central America and South America COMBINED, yet for the longest time, both of these countries barely made the top 20 of the global music markets. In other words, China and India has pretty weak music markets, much weaker than other markets like the United States, Japan, Europe etc... and with the lack of a certification system in both countries, I don't see any reason to include artists from those regions. Moh8213 ( talk) 16:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
It says she’s active from 1967 to the present. She retired in 2011 due to supranuclear palsy and Parkinson’s disease. She was really active from 1967 to 2011. The “List of Best-Selling Music Artists” page is uneditable to “prevent vandalism”. Eric Nelson27 ( talk) 08:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
I think this rule should be abolished, as it doesn't make any sense whatsoever to limit entry just to three artists, cuz first of all, who are we to judge how much an artist contributed to a song? Cuz no matter how minor their contribution were, they've got paid for it at the end of the day, and as long as they're appropriately listed as a "featured" artist on the track, then surely we should include the certification to that artist's overall certified sales. If there are no objections, then I guess it's safe to say that we'll proceed with the change. Moh8213 ( talk) 18:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi all. It's been a while. I applaud all of your work and understand this list has been the source of much contention lately. I'd like to open up some dialogue, as I haven't been around for quite some time.
I propose that we move Rihanna down to the 200-250 million group. She started in 2005, has not had any wildly successful album sales and is just postured by her certifications from streaming and singles. As an example, Eminem is an artist from 1999-2000 and he also is in the same certification range (320-340 million), yet he has actually released albums that have sold 20-25 million physical copies. My suggestion is have Rihanna at the top of Tier 2 with the claim of 230m, Eminem next with his current claim of 220m and the rest of the list remains untouched. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.-- PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 06:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hi. What level of certifications should Christina Aguilera have under the new guidelines to adding her among the 100 million records sold group? It can be supported by this source from NME magazine. Melketon ( talk) 14:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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In Section "250 million or more records" change table heading "Release year of first charted record" to "Release-year of first charted record".
This will match the other tables on the page. 199.27.253.151 ( talk) 22:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Christina Aguilera has sold over 130 -150 million records by now sony recently updated it she's the only 2000s female artist with a DIAMOND certified single so please update Xtina sales asap!!!!!!! 190.83.130.92 ( talk) 09:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Coldplay's single 'A Sky Full of Stars' has certified 2x Platinum, Viva la Vida has certified 3x Platinum in Germany. Esambuu ( talk) 00:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
On December 8, RIAA certified singles equal to a total of 27m units, but they only added 20m to Drake's tally, thus bringing his total from 164m to 184m. What should we do in this situation? Should we add the 27m or the 20m? TheWikiholic ( talk) 09:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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Why are Rihanna's claimed sales lower than her confirmed ones? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Someone most add the missing certification of Lady gaga. In uk gold for Love game. In Canada Platinum for Hold my hand. In France a Platinum for Million Reasons. 151.66.39.126 ( talk) 18:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
And in Germany the songs Million Reasons and Rain on me are now certified gold — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.39.126 ( talk) 08:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The song Is that alright has been certified silver in the Uk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 19:10, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
New Gold certification for Hold my hand in Belgium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 14:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Why nobody adds the missing certification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 11:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 11:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
New Gold certification for Rain on me and Million Reasons in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 16:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
New Silver certification for Look what I Found in Uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 22:20, 23 December 2022 (UTC) In Italy the album Born this way gained is second Platinum certification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 15:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Please add the missing certification in Germany and Italy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.6.141 ( talk) 18:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
@ TheWikiholic: can you add the missing certification please? And the close this talk cause is a bit long? Thank you
Thank you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.20.99 ( talk) 12:38, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Why aren't the Who included on this list? They have sold over 100 million records worldwide. I would like for someone to tell me about this. 2601:407:4100:87A0:C984:185F:AB7D:9A56 ( talk) 22:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Where is Rihanna on this list? 2A02:C7C:9027:5F00:3451:25DF:DEDA:9740 ( talk) 13:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Seems like Beyoncé and her team are doing major updates in Brasil, over an estimated 2 million units. 190.80.12.168 ( talk) 21:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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Shouldn't Taylor Swift be moved to the top sales category now that she's surpassed 250,000,000 in certified sales? Seano287 ( talk) 21:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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Mariah has over 270M claimed sales, according to her own website https://mariahcarey.com/about-us/ she has over 200M albums sold, and certified singles has over 70M. Username2323432 ( talk) 19:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is Cliff Richard not included? Billboard has him at 260 million sales. 2603:6011:2CF0:84F0:F9C8:5684:B12A:160E ( talk) 04:28, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
I found a better source to support Aguilera's stats at 90 million records sold from Omaha World-Herald newspaper, but I can't edit the page. Can anyone did it? Thanks. Melketon ( talk) 19:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Hey, do you know why Kylie Minogue is not included in this list? A lot of sources mention thay she has sold 80 million records. KARANSUTTA ( talk) 06:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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Christina Aguilera sold over 115M-150M records please update it!!! Jordanroopnarine ( talk) 19:10, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Harout72 has been counting the physical and digital single sales from RIAA separately, even though RIAA began combining singles certifications for most of their new certifications. Should we continue to do that if RIAA doesn't have separate entries for both physical certifications and digital certifications?— TheWikiholic ( talk) 14:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I can no longer find the section detailing the criteria for an artist to be included (the needed share of certified sales to claimed sales). Is it still 70% for newer artists? 89.23.224.5 ( talk) 09:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Why is Taylor Swift not ahead of Mariah Carey When swift's certified sales is over 250 million, and Carey's is only 211 million?
Can someond please make that fix.
I'm not just saying that is a big swiftie, but those are officially certified units. I thought that is what the list is organized by. Chelldog ( talk) 19:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Please, Carey has sold far more than Taylor did. Streams does not equate to sales. The most Taylor sold is probably 150 million records in absolute numbers, 200 million is inflated claim. Mariah is actually closer to 250 million record with over 80% of her total certified records are non-streams. fidelovkurt 17:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Maiden have sold over 130million albums world wide how come they do not appear? Tonedeaf101 ( talk) 11:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
The Grammy Museum has a new exhibit showcasing Shakira’s career and claiming she has sold over 125 million records. I found a source from last year which sustains this claim as well.
[2] https://www.therichest.com/rich-powerful/numbers-dont-lie-the-highest-grossing-albums-of-shakira-ranked/amp/
[3] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrA5k6iaYAAQtsw?format=jpg&name=large 2806:2F0:91E0:86F2:209D:93F6:3DD9:2ABA ( talk) 03:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Why is Lady Gaga only at 124 million? I’m guessing her sales have not been updated yet, aren’t her sales like 170 million now? 2600:1700:4DC0:1140:1C2:B674:97C1:2AFB ( talk) 05:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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The Beatles let it be single was certified gold in 2021 for the sales of 100,000 and was never added to the Beatles certified sales. [1] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 17:39, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles French sales from 3,990 million to 4,090 million as the Let It Be single was certified gold in France in 2021, but was never added. [2] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 20:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles french sales from 3,990 million to 4,090 million since No one ever added the gold French certification for the Let It Be single for sales of 100,000 that was certified in 2021. Did i word it better this time ?. [3] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 21:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
I do not understand why is this list not ranked by total certified units from the official websites, but its rather ranked by claimed sales from random articles, and even then, the ranking is wrong. Mbaban ( talk) 00:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello, can you share Coldplay's certified file? Esambuu ( talk) 08:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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Change the Beatles French certifications from 3,990 million to 4,090 million because the you forgot to include The Let It Be single which was certified Gold in 2021.for the sales of 100,000. [4] Steveharleywoof ( talk) 17:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Regarding the request, be aware of Note B: "Certification systems have been established periodically throughout the past half century; thus, certification databases are not able to cover all sales. Some (or all) records released and sold prior to a certification system's establishment year may not be found within the available searchable certification databases." Has this change been acknowledged by the relevant French certification database? If yes, do you have a source on that certification from their website? Actualcpscm ( talk) 21:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
This is inaccurate data, Doesn't match the latest RiAA data.. what happens?
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Salvabl is doing world wiki terrorism. he is modifying the data of each language Wikipedia with completely unfounded data.
Please compare the RIAA figures in the wiki document with the latest RIAA data which is really accurate.
In particular, it corrects MJ's RIAA measurements to be significantly exaggerated. MJ USA sales volume in this document is based on RIAA 2013, which is completely different from RIAA 2023 data.
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Apr/2023 RIAA Figures -
https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section
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Can we get a file with all the Beatles certifications ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveharleywoof ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Salvabl is World wiki Terrorist, This Wiki RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 m / Real RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
MJ USA sales volume in this document is based on RIAA 2013, which is completely different from RIAA 2023 data.
Wiki. RIAA 2011 - MJ 177.3 million /// REAL. RIAA 2023 - MJ 89.0 million .... What's going on?
Apr/2023 RIAA Figures - https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section 39.114.157.194 ( talk) 09:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Billy Murray is a singer who is said to have sold as many as 300,000,000 records in the early 1900s. He needs to be included 2600:1015:B120:3229:813A:FD25:4CCE:E022 ( talk) 03:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I would like to ask how many certified sales should Tina have for her to claim 180 million records (or even 200 million records sales)? Thank you! Loibird90 ( talk) 11:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Update 186.205.68.114 ( talk) 02:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
http://www.mariah-charts.com/chartdata/Brasil.htm 186.205.68.114 ( talk) 02:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Where is the Who on this List? 2601:18C:8100:E030:80B1:2FC4:4A13:39B3 ( talk) 13:56, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change Shakira's sales from 75M to 95M. Here's billboard's article, dated 04/24/2023, as citation: https://www.billboard.com/music/latin/shakira-billboard-latin-woman-of-the-year-1235313382/ Rudramebarak ( talk) 16:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
As more than one knows Céline Dion sold much more than the 180 million to 200 million they put her, in fact both Mariah Carey and Céline Dion exceed 230 million if you add singles and albums of each, although Céline is the second best selling albums only surpassed by Madonna and Rihanna is pure streaming and singles sales.
See Chartmasters: https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-albums-and-singles-of-all-time/16/ 181.122.150.214 ( talk) 03:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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Has Pearl Jam sold enough albums to be on this list ? Goodbyestranger ( talk) 19:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
elton johns tally in the states has not change in an age cold heart has been cert at over two million not been counted plus with fwybr tour sales of gh and streaming of his songs must be 4 million plus 121.75.198.109 ( talk) 09:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
She has sold 80 million records. KARANSUTTA ( talk) 22:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Why is she the only relevant female artist missing here? There are people here with 25m certified units. she has far more than that. arround 100m? can anyone fix this 2A0C:5A80:250B:5900:B9AD:4B77:CBA3:DFFF ( talk) 15:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
First and foremost, I’d like to thank everyone who contributed to this article, though I noticed that BVMI has re-certified tons of old records throughout Q1 and most of Q2 2023, and it seems that some artists’ record sales in this list aren’t upgraded with the recent updated certifications provided by BVMI, if I wanted to, I’d have done those upgrades by myself but unfortunately I don’t have time. For an easy layout you can check the monthly data reports made by BVMI here. Moh8213 ( talk) 17:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
The US President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities website now cites Lady Gaga's sales as 170 million. Her current certified total is over 163 million so this is a better estimate than the outdated 124 million one.
Cited here: https://www.imls.gov/pcah/lady-gaga and here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/
Older links with the same total: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705193602/https://www.attitude.co.uk/article/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions/19231/ SpearsRR ( talk) 23:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
And must be added the new certification in Poland and in Italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.21.148.176 ( talk) 07:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC) New certification in Germany for Love game e Always remember as this way. Both gold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 17:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Lady Gaga 170 million records sold should be updated. The US government is an much betteer source than most of the sources used for other artists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.85.28.146 ( talk) 17:45, 2 June 2023 (UTC) Always remember as this way is now certified double Platinum in italy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 14:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
In the uk, shallow is now 5 platinum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.190.216.146 ( talk) 17:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Update 21,750,000 Chacravartim ( talk) 00:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
All sources (which originate from early newspapers) say he sold at least 300 million records. Jon19939 ( talk) 01:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why Gaga was not update? Even her own page says 170 million 177.39.93.176 ( talk) 21:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
It says Taylor swift has certified sales of over 250 million units, but Mariah Carey's sales is 211 million. So why is Taylor swift not ahead if Mariah Carey? Chelldog ( talk) 23:19, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
This week Grande received a major certification update from ARIA. Is there a way to take her record sales to 100 million now? It would be great to get a feedback. Best regards. Mirrored7 ( talk) 18:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Should we continue to rank artists by estimated sales, or should we instead categorize them by certified sales? This is not to discredit The Beatles, but there appears to be a significant discrepancy between these two values. The certified sales seem to account for the key markets, which is especially important considering that the majority e.g. of Beatles record sales likely occurred before 2000, predating the emergence of new markets. 2A02:C7C:EC31:4200:9D09:BCDB:BCBF:DAA8 ( talk) 09:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
His wiki page even claims in the second paragraph: Mathis is the third best-selling artist of the 20th century, selling 360 million records worldwide. 2601:648:8100:31B:6C2B:42D8:2A48:5925 ( talk) 02:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
According to the Guinness World Record, Julio Iglesias has sold over 250 million copies as of 2006 Source. Since certifications minimums are no longer a requirement, can this be updated? Erick ( talk) 18:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
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Add missing Police French certifications, the 1990 greatest hits was certified double Platinum for the sales of 600,000 in 1991 and Zenyatta Mondatta was re-released in 1990 on CD and was certified gold in 1991 for 100,000. The Police french certified sales should go from 3,340 million to 4,040 million. [6] [7] Carlyvain ( talk) 04:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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Carey is closing quickly the gap between her certified records and total sales claims. Is it time to move her to 250 MILLION Club? if not, what threshold should she reach to move her into that category? fidelovkurt 12:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Even the smallest changes in other artists are added minus Lady Gaga's. The White House itself (which should be a more relevant source than most of those used to sustain the sales of other artists) puts it in the league of 170 million records. However, even with the frequent request of other users, sales are not updated. My question is direct to The Wikiholic, Everm4e and Apoxyomenus: if you don't like it, give the edition of the page to people who are impartial and will put your passions aside. We all know that you inflate the sales of the artists you prefer, but subtracting Lady Gaga's sales just by not liking her is not the right thing, especially when she meets all the necessary requirements.
So, one last time: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/ 177.39.93.141 ( talk) 16:22, 3 August 2023 (UTC) And many recent certification are not on the list. No one never add them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.21.138.142 ( talk) 14:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Record sales for almost every act on this list are a mix of albums, singles and equivalent units generated from streams.
Lady Gaga 170 million sales sources:
Attitude magazine - https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/film-tv/lady-gaga-became-singer-after-multiple-failed-acting-auditions-297191/
White House (dot gov) - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/13/president-biden-announces-key-appointments-to-boards-and-commissions-23/
The current figure of 124 million is likely too low for her pure digital single sales alone. 170 million is more than applicable considering the sources alongside certified units within 5 million of the total. SpearsRR ( talk) 20:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 06:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.31.56.10 ( talk)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 14:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
The single Riders on the Storm CERTIFIED DATE: 15.09.23 Gold, 400,000 RELEASE DATE: 14.11.04
We need to change the figure of 2,840 million to 3,040 million.
Total UK: 3.040 million not 2.840 million 79.31.56.10 ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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177.39.94.215 ( talk) 20:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Change Lady Gaga sales from 124 million to 170 million (please read the talk page to understand that this figures represents the pure sales, without adding streamings and note that Billboard article is from 2016) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
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ABBA, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis and Linkin Park are no longer active. 109.120.204.227 ( talk) 06:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Miley Cyrus alone has more than 100M units in the US only certified. https://www.riaa.com/gold-%20platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=miley+cyrus#search_section can anyoane please add here already? 83.37.169.40 ( talk) 07:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
How did Beyonce come from 100 million records sold last year to 200 million this year? Did she sold 100 million from 2022-2023? Phạm Huy Thông ( talk) 18:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
200 million sales 92.19.72.28 ( talk) 06:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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George Michael sold over 120 million records in his solo career, earning a spot in the 120-190 category. Also, many sources include his Wham! record sales in his sales figures, which would bring his total sales to 150+. Southport1639 ( talk) 13:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
I opened a page on this topic a few months ago. Unfortunately, I didn't get an answer. Grande's certified sales are over 150 million, so surely she must be eligible for over 100 million record sales? All it takes is a reliable source, so she can be included in that range? Does it have to be current too? Mirrored7 ( talk) 14:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
https://people.com/madonna-is-still-biggest-selling-female-recording-artist-of-all-time-8382770 Copy Editor ( talk) 19:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Madonna should be at 400 million with the new Guinness — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fstar042346 ( talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't know much about this topic but maybe Guy Lombardo should be mentioned on this list? These two pages say he sold between 100 and 300 million records but I don't know what their sources are:
CalebBill ( talk) 01:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Something is absolutely wrong with the US numbers. How can musicians sold 250 million records in the us and then 1,5 million un Japan or 15 million in UK. The method to analyze the records sold in the us seems pretty flawed. Statistically, it doesn’t make sens. 2806:102E:18:37AE:D003:C21E:7490:4DBC ( talk) 21:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey! Here a study about Depeche Mode’s sales during their hole career. Should be added - https://chartmasters.org/depeche-mode-albums-and-songs-sales/?fbclid=IwAR3XGo0i3dm2v3tlqwn0tiVMSWfiTcW35U7enGOOgb2HIY8-31norU6amjg_aem_ASJgpwXEk10RL5Ffnqu8v0w5V51x09gF3oR2GLon5rcFHKbbuN3SrOVTRNLd_9rpzjc 2A00:F41:1890:7AFA:BC26:9D75:CB78:650F ( talk) 16:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
For Rihanna, it says "Total certified units" = 361.8 million, and "Claimed sales" = 250 million or 230 million. Is this correct? I mean, how can claimed sales be actually less than certified sales? 2A00:23C8:7B09:FA01:AD2A:5B8D:55B7:93D6 ( talk) 23:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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with 300 million sales Sir Cliff Richard should be on this list. It is insulting he is not 122.150.182.114 ( talk) 09:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Adjusting Lady Gaga's record sales figures is warranted to reflect a more accurate estimate. The current listing of 124 million records sold should be updated to 170 million records, aligning with various sources. Billboard's 2016 report indicated 27 million albums and 146 million singles, totaling 173 million records, emphasizing pure sales. Lady Gaga's team disclosed streaming numbers of 275 million in 2020 and an update to 393 million in 2022 during the Chromatica Ball Tour press release. This proposed adjustment provides a conservative and reasonable estimate, considering the music industry's shift toward streaming. For consistency, accuracy, and industry standards, the article should be updated to state Lady Gaga's record sales as ranging from 120 million to 199 million records, suggested 170 million. [5] Matheushpdutra ( talk) 23:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Eminem deos have claimed to have 300-400 million sales so i think he was to low when is saw this list LeoDeCoster ( talk) 14:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change the number of Taylor Swift certified units in Mexico from the current 640,000 units to 1.48 million units, as the current certified sales figure more than doubles the previous figure.
Taylor Swift's certifications in Mexico can be viewed on AMPROFON's official website by typing "Taylor Swift" in the artist field. https://amprofon.com.mx/es/pages/certificaciones.php
Please note that certifications in Mexico work differently from those in the US and UK, so consult the AMPROFON Wikipedia page to understand how they work. /info/en/?search=Asociación_Mexicana_de_Productores_de_Fonogramas_y_Videogramas EdRomo13 ( talk) 16:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Spintendo 23:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)2. Michael Jackson 339,438,000 3. Elvis 321,822,000 4. Queen 280,974,000 5. Madonna 248,680,000 6. The Rolling Stones 244,849,000 7. Pink Floyd 238,857,000 8. Frank Sinatra 230,326,000 9. Eminem 209,430,000 10. Elton John 209,348,000
Please see link below. There have been some updates to the best selling music artist list. https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ Tamparuth ( talk) 01:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
According to The Guinness World Records, Madonna has already sold more tha 400 million records. [4] https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist 83.37.49.66 ( talk) 14:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Someone needs to check the figures on Rihanna! Her certified sales seem way too high and if they are true then why is she the only artist whose claimed sales are LOWER than her certified sales? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.29.21.190 ( talk) 09:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that Nirvana's total has a slash (/) instead of a point (.) as a separator. I can't edit it so I just ask that it ba changed by someone who can. I named this as "Small Edits" so that this can be a topic for other edits as well that users like me notice but can't edit. Derfboy ( talk) 21:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
The Jackson brothers are supposed to have sold more than 100 million records, and should be somewhere in this list. 151.20.180.194 ( talk) 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The Jackson brothers are supposed to have sold more than 100 million records, and should be somewhere in this list. 151.20.180.194 ( talk) 15:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Whitney Houston has 163,9 million certified units that is 74,5% for 220 million sales claimed so can we move her numbers up? Phạm Huy Thông ( talk) 23:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Madonna is re-certified by Guinness world records for 400 million sales. This should be updated in all Wikipedia pages. 2A02:2149:8B34:9000:ED86:BE13:3F07:F772 ( talk) 07:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Why you added Madonna and Britney certification in Spain but not Lady gaga certifications? LilTrilly ( talk) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
What is the problem? You added the Spanish certifications for other artists but not for Lady gaga — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilTrilly ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Here the sources: Shallow: https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=LADY+GAGA+%2F+BRADLEY+COOPER&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=SHALLOW&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D=
Always remember us this way: https://www.elportaldemusica.es/awards/index?AwardsSearch%5Bartist%5D=LADY+GAGA&AwardsSearch%5Btitle%5D=ALWAYS+REMEMBER+US+THIS+WAY&AwardsSearch%5Byear%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bweek%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Bgroup%5D=&AwardsSearch%5Baward%5D=
Now you can add to the list. LilTrilly ( talk) 16:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Why nobody adds all the Spain certifications? And Lady Gaga got a new certification in Italy too. LilTrilly ( talk) 15:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)