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@ Alvandria: I've moved this to the draftspace since it needs some work. The problem is that the article is very English-centric and doesn't seem to take into account album sales in other countries like Japan, Germany, and so on - this can take a long time to gather this information. It's also somewhat of an issue since a century is a fairly long period of time, as it spans a hundred years. This makes the article a little unwieldy, since the 21st century has only recently begun. It's usually a lot easier to lump these into categories by periods of 10 years and even then, many articles tend to stick to specific countries. There is the article List of best-selling albums, but that article is written with the coda that it may never be complete or 100% accurate. Basically, this isn't a "no", just that this will likely need a bit more data before it's really complete and/or reflects on true worldwide coverage. Plus it also duplicates information already in the List of best-selling albums article. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 14:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The year 2000 is the twentieth century, not the twenty-first. Any album released in that year does not belong on this page. PJtP ( talk) 01:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Should chartmasters.org be considered a reliable source for worldwide album sales? Richard Hendricks ( talk) 15:19, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
is chartmasters.org a reliable source? the source itself looks more of a forum than a news organization. furthermore, the sales figures posted on that site, and the way they were extracted, seems highly unreliable. there was even one comment posted on the site's feedback page sometime in 2017 which questioned where and how the site's runner/s came up with their numbers. apparently the owners never clarified those questions, citing their formula was more "accurate" than those posted by the ifpi, nielsen soundscan and the occ (in the uk). they even had computations for countries with smaller music market sizes such as finland and yet they claim it is more accurate than what the official certification bodies in those countries provide. the site even said those organizations - the riaa and bpi in particular - are questionable. so now the question is, is the site reliable at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 09:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
– "2000s (century)" is an odd way to say "21st century". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn't "the album must have shipped at least 10 million units starting from January 1, 2000" be changed to "January 1, 2001" and the list updated accordingly to match the new title? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 14:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Rockmusicfanatic20: you called " flawed" the reversion that I made. Have you read the criteria of inclusion of this list? According to the article's lead section, the inclusion are just albums that shipped at least 10 million units "starting from January 1, 2001". Per Wikipedia's article 21st century began on "January 1, 2001". A couple of months ago I've added an album released on 2000 but an user reverted it too based on the criteria of inclusion. That's the reason why other users deleted albums like 1 by The Beatles. Obviously I don't want to start an unnecessary edit war and for someone that have expressed and used words like "flawed" instead use of the talk page first. -- Chrishonduras ( talk) 03:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Chrishonduras: you're absolutely right. Also those inflated sales that @ Rockmusicfanatic20: included of Meteora and Minutes to Midnight has nothing to do here. Meteora is an album released in 2007. The biggest selling album in 2007 is "High School Musical 2", it sold 7 million copies worldwide according to IFPI.[ link In 2007 the music industry was in crisis, there was no streaming and digital download were not strong. Meteora sold 4 million copies in US according to RIAA and 2 million in Europe according to IFPI, a year after, how this album sold 27 million copies worldwide in those mentioned conditions?-- 88marcus ( talk) 07:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@ 88marcus: I got my sources from the (wikipedia) articles with those references in question and searched extensively to make sure this is correct. Meteora was released in 2003 and Minutes to Midnight was released in 2007, if you even bothered to make sure when both Linkin Park albums came out. It isn't exclusively reduced to sales in the year it came out. If this is the case, then you may as well remove every single album on this wikipedia article. Sales are obviously going to go up as time went on, so of course they are going to inflate. It has been 17 years since the release of Meteora and you expect sales not to soar overtime? Minutes to Midnight may have not sold as well as the aforementioned Meteora, but granted inflation in sales will happen for every single album on the list so you cannot use that as an argument. Music industry was in crisis? Do you not realise how big CD sales were? Streaming and digital downloads are online formats of distributing music. CD's and Vinyls are use of of physical sales and they were selling strongly. Just because we were in the pre Spotify/Deezer/Apple Music era doesn't mean sales 'weren't strong'. @ Chrishonduras: As for Hybrid Theory, that's the fault of wikipedia and the author of the article for not being clear enough about their own rules. It is flawed if something meets requirements and is reverted because of not following criteria. The 21st century starting in 2001 is a load of rubbish. It started in 2000. The 20th century is all of a sudden including the year 2000? As far as I'm aware, 1999 and 2000 are in two completely different centuries. Again, I'm aware that Hybrid Theory's inclusion can be disputed if that's the case, but that is certainly not the case for Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. I feel no need to start an editing war either so let's just leave Hybrid Theory out of the question entirely due to that reason.-- Rockmusicfanatic20 ( talk) 14:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
British Pop-Rock band Coldplay's debut album called Parachutes turning 20 this year. Many article mentioned Parachutes has sold over 13 million copies worldwide. Should we include Parachutes on to that list? My source: [1] Esambuu ( talk) 11:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it's impossible that Lemonade outsold 25 in 2016. The math just doesn't add up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4A01:2A70:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 00:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Seeing Billboard said the album sold over 20 million copies worldwide in their 2009 article Artists of the Decade it seems fitting to have his album in the 20 million section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyone32 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
On the anniversary of the Laundry Service, Sony Music itself revealed that the album has sold 18 million copies worldwide. I think it should be uploaded given the information provided by Sony. Link: https://www.sonymusic.ca/press_release/legacy-recordings-set-to-deliver-20th-anniversary-digital-expanded-edition-of-shakiras-laundry-service-washed-and-dried-on-friday-november-12
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of best-selling albums of the 21st century's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
In an article, it was mentioned that Meteora sold over 27 million copies: https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/chester-bennington-obituary-1976-2017-2113700 -- Mohammed Alabri 2312 ( talk) 06:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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Why is this album not included on this list? It’s a list of the best selling albums of the 21st century, but left out the year 2000 apparently? Lol May 2000 if my memory serves me correctly. 2603:8080:CC00:D0DF:79EA:A507:D594:CF03 ( talk) 02:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make sense to sort by genre? Especially given that there's republished music, classical music, soundtrack music that could also be considered "albums", and make this list? 68.189.2.14 ( talk) 21:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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@ Alvandria: I've moved this to the draftspace since it needs some work. The problem is that the article is very English-centric and doesn't seem to take into account album sales in other countries like Japan, Germany, and so on - this can take a long time to gather this information. It's also somewhat of an issue since a century is a fairly long period of time, as it spans a hundred years. This makes the article a little unwieldy, since the 21st century has only recently begun. It's usually a lot easier to lump these into categories by periods of 10 years and even then, many articles tend to stick to specific countries. There is the article List of best-selling albums, but that article is written with the coda that it may never be complete or 100% accurate. Basically, this isn't a "no", just that this will likely need a bit more data before it's really complete and/or reflects on true worldwide coverage. Plus it also duplicates information already in the List of best-selling albums article. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 14:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The year 2000 is the twentieth century, not the twenty-first. Any album released in that year does not belong on this page. PJtP ( talk) 01:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Should chartmasters.org be considered a reliable source for worldwide album sales? Richard Hendricks ( talk) 15:19, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
is chartmasters.org a reliable source? the source itself looks more of a forum than a news organization. furthermore, the sales figures posted on that site, and the way they were extracted, seems highly unreliable. there was even one comment posted on the site's feedback page sometime in 2017 which questioned where and how the site's runner/s came up with their numbers. apparently the owners never clarified those questions, citing their formula was more "accurate" than those posted by the ifpi, nielsen soundscan and the occ (in the uk). they even had computations for countries with smaller music market sizes such as finland and yet they claim it is more accurate than what the official certification bodies in those countries provide. the site even said those organizations - the riaa and bpi in particular - are questionable. so now the question is, is the site reliable at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 ( talk • contribs) 00:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 09:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
– "2000s (century)" is an odd way to say "21st century". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Shouldn't "the album must have shipped at least 10 million units starting from January 1, 2000" be changed to "January 1, 2001" and the list updated accordingly to match the new title? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 14:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Rockmusicfanatic20: you called " flawed" the reversion that I made. Have you read the criteria of inclusion of this list? According to the article's lead section, the inclusion are just albums that shipped at least 10 million units "starting from January 1, 2001". Per Wikipedia's article 21st century began on "January 1, 2001". A couple of months ago I've added an album released on 2000 but an user reverted it too based on the criteria of inclusion. That's the reason why other users deleted albums like 1 by The Beatles. Obviously I don't want to start an unnecessary edit war and for someone that have expressed and used words like "flawed" instead use of the talk page first. -- Chrishonduras ( talk) 03:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Chrishonduras: you're absolutely right. Also those inflated sales that @ Rockmusicfanatic20: included of Meteora and Minutes to Midnight has nothing to do here. Meteora is an album released in 2007. The biggest selling album in 2007 is "High School Musical 2", it sold 7 million copies worldwide according to IFPI.[ link In 2007 the music industry was in crisis, there was no streaming and digital download were not strong. Meteora sold 4 million copies in US according to RIAA and 2 million in Europe according to IFPI, a year after, how this album sold 27 million copies worldwide in those mentioned conditions?-- 88marcus ( talk) 07:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@ 88marcus: I got my sources from the (wikipedia) articles with those references in question and searched extensively to make sure this is correct. Meteora was released in 2003 and Minutes to Midnight was released in 2007, if you even bothered to make sure when both Linkin Park albums came out. It isn't exclusively reduced to sales in the year it came out. If this is the case, then you may as well remove every single album on this wikipedia article. Sales are obviously going to go up as time went on, so of course they are going to inflate. It has been 17 years since the release of Meteora and you expect sales not to soar overtime? Minutes to Midnight may have not sold as well as the aforementioned Meteora, but granted inflation in sales will happen for every single album on the list so you cannot use that as an argument. Music industry was in crisis? Do you not realise how big CD sales were? Streaming and digital downloads are online formats of distributing music. CD's and Vinyls are use of of physical sales and they were selling strongly. Just because we were in the pre Spotify/Deezer/Apple Music era doesn't mean sales 'weren't strong'. @ Chrishonduras: As for Hybrid Theory, that's the fault of wikipedia and the author of the article for not being clear enough about their own rules. It is flawed if something meets requirements and is reverted because of not following criteria. The 21st century starting in 2001 is a load of rubbish. It started in 2000. The 20th century is all of a sudden including the year 2000? As far as I'm aware, 1999 and 2000 are in two completely different centuries. Again, I'm aware that Hybrid Theory's inclusion can be disputed if that's the case, but that is certainly not the case for Meteora and Minutes to Midnight. I feel no need to start an editing war either so let's just leave Hybrid Theory out of the question entirely due to that reason.-- Rockmusicfanatic20 ( talk) 14:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
British Pop-Rock band Coldplay's debut album called Parachutes turning 20 this year. Many article mentioned Parachutes has sold over 13 million copies worldwide. Should we include Parachutes on to that list? My source: [1] Esambuu ( talk) 11:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it's impossible that Lemonade outsold 25 in 2016. The math just doesn't add up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4A01:2A70:0:0:0:2 ( talk) 00:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Seeing Billboard said the album sold over 20 million copies worldwide in their 2009 article Artists of the Decade it seems fitting to have his album in the 20 million section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyone32 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
On the anniversary of the Laundry Service, Sony Music itself revealed that the album has sold 18 million copies worldwide. I think it should be uploaded given the information provided by Sony. Link: https://www.sonymusic.ca/press_release/legacy-recordings-set-to-deliver-20th-anniversary-digital-expanded-edition-of-shakiras-laundry-service-washed-and-dried-on-friday-november-12
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of best-selling albums of the 21st century's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "1 31 million copies":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
In an article, it was mentioned that Meteora sold over 27 million copies: https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/chester-bennington-obituary-1976-2017-2113700 -- Mohammed Alabri 2312 ( talk) 06:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
References
Why is this album not included on this list? It’s a list of the best selling albums of the 21st century, but left out the year 2000 apparently? Lol May 2000 if my memory serves me correctly. 2603:8080:CC00:D0DF:79EA:A507:D594:CF03 ( talk) 02:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make sense to sort by genre? Especially given that there's republished music, classical music, soundtrack music that could also be considered "albums", and make this list? 68.189.2.14 ( talk) 21:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)