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Currently it's listed as being the 1959 Lotus Elite, but I wonder if it may be the 1956 Berkeley T60. It depends if they were actual monocoque (it may be body-on-frame with a fibreglass frame). They were made in fibreglass with aluminium bulkheads and steel sections for the engine support. According to http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/berkeley-t60.html they had a "box-shaped substructure and suspension and engine compartment reinforced with aluminum, forming a fiberglass monocoque structure". // Liftarn
No objections? Alright then. Lotus Elite gets bumped. // Liftarn
IMO this article should list most powerful & fastest electric cars also. - G3, 13:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone want to include a section on highest redlines for each engine configuration? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.21.2.5 ( talk) 23:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
Alternative and more easily checked idea: highest and lowest claimed maximum power (and torque?) rpms (with categories at least for petrol/diesel, car/bike (or bike engined sportcars), and maybe for NA/blown and single/multivalve or even cam/head tech?). These are more widely published, checkable on a dynamometer, and not readily worked around by mr or mrs O.R. troll by fitting a modified ECU chip / meddling with the governor. Plus the power rpms are often not that far away from the limiter or "redline". My own experiences are along the lines of 5200 power, 6000 redline, 6500 limiter and 5000/5750/6000 (older, 8v engine designs), 5750/????/6750ish (newer 16v with no redline marked on tacho and a somewhat fuzzy limiter also that moves around according to oil temperature) and 8500/9000/10500 (small, conservatively tuned motorcycle using rather old tech). Yer average turbodiesel - or a very low tune petrol - might be something like 4000/4500/4750. Torque seems to sit around 2000-3500 for 8v petrol, 3000-5000 for 16v, and 1500-3000 diesel (the only bike figure I have is 7000, no idea if it's typical). Major deviations from these norms would be notable. EG the "Iron Duke" engine with peak torque around 1900rpm and peak power somewhere in the mid 3000s vs recent Honda car engines that have peak power close on 10,000rpm and torque not very far from it, or Sportsbike engines that spin in the stratosphere beyond 15000 77.102.101.220 ( talk) 22:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I added Connaught Type-D GT with a 2.0L V10 in the smallest engines category as a honorable mention since the vehicle is awaiting production currently. It was deleted. Any reason for it?
Here are the specs http://www.connaughtmotorco.com/performance_gt.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.168.185 ( talk) 23:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
I also notice, there's no mention of the first sedan delivery. Harley Earl 13:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Changed it to the 500cc Honda V4 found in the Magna and Interceptor. 129.173.188.67 ( talk) 21:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I see 1st in-car radio, but not 1st in-car record player, which was an option in some T-birds in the '50s & '60s. Trekphiler ( talk) 12:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I know I would be on shaky footing proposing the VW Kubelwagen as having the smallest 4-pot boxer (at 985cc), as it was a military vehicle (and therefore, not "bought" originally) despite it a/ having a big production run, b/ being for purpose of transporting people and c/ being on sale since (2nd hand...)... and although some of the engines made it to production beetles (kommanderwagens etc), there probably weren't enough. <-- much of my info nicked from the Beetle article as I was sure I remembered it having a sub-1.0L engine, in contrast to the Ami However, regardless of that, I can pip the Ami just with info from an article linked from the VW Bug one... the Steyr 50. 978cc engine (977.5) as standard, with a storming 22 horsepower, proper private-owner passenger car with a reasonable production run, and even an external website reference to "verify" such. Does it qualify? (I altogether wouldn't be surprised if there were even smaller flat 4s than that) 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 20:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The list shows the Tata Nano as the least expensive car, but the Nano is not yet in production, hence the price is an "illustration" rather than a reality. 842U ( talk) 13:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This engine, listed as highest specific power for a forced induction engine, does not produce 204ps as stated. The car (123d) has 204ps but this is not all from the diesel engine. The efficient dynamics package is a low level hybrid system so there is an electric motor which provides power when needed. There seem to be no specs on how much the electric motor provides but looking at the difference across other models in the BMW range when they introduced it, 13-14ps, although with the new 7-series they have also claimed 20ps. So the engine is not 204ps, but perhaps 190ps, you just can't tell. Alpina also offer a tweaked version. 83.231.210.146 ( talk) 17:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no way the Rolls Royce Phantom is the "tallest car". Even a humble Nissan Cube is taller. I have done a brief search and the current Alphard minivan was the tallest I could find, so I put that, but there may be another that I didn't think of. If anyone thinks there should be a separate category for minivans, go ahead and make it, but we would be on shaky ground, because these days it's becoming increasingly hard to define where the "normal cars" end and the "minivan" segment begins. El monty ( talk) 15:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I question the listing of '1938 Studebaker Commander' under this heading. There is no mention of 'air conditioning' in the linked article nor of Studebaker in the Auto Air Conditioning Wiki. AS a member of the Studebaker Drivers Club,I know of no production air conditioned cars in the Thirties, however there might have been some prototype activity in that direction, considering Raymond Loewy was retained at that time. The citation should be "1939 Packard" in terms of production, or 1930 Cadillac, but that was a custom installation for a Huston Millionaire.
Rod Barclay, Argyle, TX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.38.245 ( talk) 06:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
if there are any. i know only the Bugatti EB118 and the Bugatti EB218 , but they are concept car. 82.60.180.188 ( talk) 16:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
i think the smallest turbocharged engine it's the TwinAir 875 cc used in the Fiat 500. what about the smallest supercharged ? 82.60.180.188 ( talk) 15:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Pagani Zonda 760RS is a one-off version, so the entry don't follow the "20 produced in the superlative version" rule. As Far as i know the Aston Martin One-77 is the most powerful natural aspired engined car produced in more than 20 pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.38.250.240 ( talk) 19:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
The Caparo T1 is listed many times on this list... such as
Most specific power (power to weight ratio)
* 1045 hp/metric ton (1.91 lb/hp) - 2007 Caparo T1 V8 engine 575 hp (429 kW) and 470 kg (1036 lb)
when I do the calculations, it has a specific output of 164.29 hp/liter. from 3.5 liters (naturally aspirated) The currently listed car is 142.3 hp/litre - 1994 JDM Suzuki Cultus Suzuka edition R13B (138 kW (188 PS/185 hp) 1.3 L I4) - furthermore, it is marked "citation needed" and I can't find anywhere that actually states that engine was used in that car. The wiki page for the car states that the cultus used b family engines and not r family engines so I am beginning to doubt whether this is correct anyway. Can someone please confirm this and change it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.177.227 ( talk) 18:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The BMW S42 engine, a racing variant of the M42 engine, produced up to 315 bhp from 1.999 ltr, which is approximately 157.6 bhp/ltr, more than the currently listed engine, although slightly less than the V8 above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.5.136 ( talk) 23:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, is this only for cars? the 2010 BMW S1000rr has been confirmed to produce 197hp from a naturally aspirated 1000cc inline 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdubs ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Ariel Atom V8 (25 produced), 3 litre engine, 500 bhp, that's 166,7 bhp per litre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.80.37.212 ( talk) 00:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Another bit to add/change if applicable. Chevrolet is claiming 765 lb-ft of torque in the 2011 Duramax diesel, which is more than the Audi V12 diesel listed. Technically it isn't in production yet, but I still think it should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.157.107 ( talk) 00:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Further bit. Power-to-weight ratios for Diesels. — Preceding
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41.196.29.86 (
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12:46, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Changed the car for "Petrol/Gasoline (forced-induction) piston engine" back to the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400, from the SSC Aero. SSC Aero has a 387.2 cu in engine(387.2 (cu in) = 6.34507118 liters) and claims 1287hp, 1287 / 6.34507118 = 202.834604. So the SSC Aero has about 202.8hp per liter. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400 has a 1997cc engine (1997cc = 1.997 liters) and claims 405.2hp, 405.2 / 1.99700 = 202.904357. So the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400 has about 202.9hp per liter. All of these numbers come from the official Wikipedia pages and can be confirmed elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Ultimate_Aero_TT and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Sirius_engine#4G63 72.199.145.171 ( talk) 05:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we have to remove all the entries with SSC Aero (all versions) from this list. Despite original claims to build 25 of them, in fact, Jerod Shelby stated that he only made 15 cars before Tuatara. Quote "Shelby calls the new design bold, futuristic and cutting edge and says the previous 15 Shelby cars were all a prelude to this model.". Link:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/08/driving-the-ssc-ultimate-aero-worlds-second-fastest-car/1#.UId7fsXMh8E
What do you think?
IP-93.183.236.121 (
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05:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I know my comment may be rather useless this way, but... the data included in the section Fuel Economy is simply false. There's more than 40 different cars with over 70 MPG, check for instance http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/search-by-fuel-economy.aspx. I don't have the time or energy to make the edition, but this section is worse than nothing this way. Csdani84 ( talk) 21:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
This section was rendered useless by editing the list based on the numbers of the EPA. If you restrict the source to the EPA I don't see a point of having the list. The section should use the numbers given by the car makers and maybe have a note if the actual mileage differs drastically from the given. The most economical diesels are the Audi A2 1.2 3L TDI and VW Lupo 3L TDI with 3L/100km or 78,1mpg. The most economical gasoline is the VW Polo V bluemotion with 3,3L/100km or 71,3mpg. Those informations can be obtained from their respective article here. As for the other cars, I'm not certain, but I think the Tesla Roadster is the most economical all-electric car. For the electric and hybrid cars there should also be a different unit than MPG, MPGe or L/100km or at least a link to the article of MPGe. SkySilver ( talk) 20:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to add that you would need to have different classes for fuel economy. One for each drivecycle. The NEDC and the FTP-75 being the two most used ones, for Europe and the US respectively. Though of course this will be changed in time when the world adopts the World Light Test Procedure...hopefully. Though when that happens the fuel economy figures are likely to drop due to the transient behaviour of the cycle, and increasing emission legislation which has reduces fuel economy further. So you'd probably have to list at least 3 drive cycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.66.54 ( talk) 21:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
i think the Hennessey Venom GT should be removed from the list since, according to their official website [ [4]], The Hennessey Venom GT design is based on the Lotus Elise / Exige. The Venom GT is created from a base Lotus Elise / Exige and utilizes components including but not limited to the roof, doors, side glass, windscreen, dash, cockpit, floorpan, HVAC system, wiper and head lamps. Hennessey Performance and the Venom GT are not associated with Lotus Cars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.218.192 ( talk) 16:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the 20 car limit at Talk:List of fastest production cars#Page protected/20 car limit - new discussion.
The question being considered:
The list currently uses the same definition as the list of automotive superlatives:
In order to keep the entries relevant, the list (except for the firsts section) is limited to automobiles built after World War II, and lists superlatives for earlier vehicles separately. The list is also limited to production road cars that:
An alternative definition from the List of fastest cars by acceleration is:
This list includes full production cars only; concept, modified, very limited-production, and race cars of any kind are not considered. If an independent time becomes available, that time will be listed over the manufacturer's time regardless if the latter is quicker. NealeFamily ( talk) 20:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
To many entries in the list are occupied by cars "sui generis" wich aren't really representative of the automotive industry: The peel P50 alone take 6 entries, the Ariel atom 3 and the Caparo T1 2. Those are really to much of their own league to be representative of the car industry just as example: The Highest N/A specific power is taken by the Caparo T1 with 159.3 hp/liter when the best in the "real car" car industry is around 125hp/liter: Honda S2000, Ferrari 458, Porsche 911 RS 4.0. I think that the article must highlight the best that is attained by the real representatives of the car industry and not by car novelties like a barely stret legal race car.
So I'm proposing to add this rule to wich cars must comply to be eligibles for an entry:
"Automobiles which has at least one door on each side and a minimum of two seats situated one on each side of the longitudinal centre line of the car; these two seats must be crossed by the same transversal plane. This car must be able to be used perfectly legally on the open road."
This way we can cut off, single seaters and car with tandem seats and set free a dozen of positions for models more depictive of the car industry.
37.117.239.222 (
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37.117.239.222 (
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13:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
The converted values for specific torque (lbf.ft/L) mix systems of units. I played around with the {{Convert}} template but, short of adding Nm/L and lbf.ft/in^3 to the template, there doesn't seem to be a way to do a proper conversion of this particular combination of units. I propose to hand convert (using sMath) the units directly from Nm/L to lbf.ft/in^3. Does anyone object?-- Tedd ( talk) 18:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I know not from whence came the notion that the Dolly Sprint had the first production 4-valve engine, since the Multi-valve article seems to suggest that this honour fell to the 1917 Stutz T-head I4. The 1921 Bentley 3-litre was also a 16V four, with SOHC, a trait shared with all W.O. Bentley engines until they became badge-engineered Rollers. Am I missing something blindingly obvious? Mr Larrington ( talk) 01:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The Atom can be used as a race car, of course, but it is street legal. I think the article should be changed to reflect that it is the lightest current production car (the Lotus Elise is another example of a very capable race car that is most definitely a production car; the Subaru WRX STI and Mitsubishi Evo are less extreme examples of "race cars" that are production vehicles, but I'm indicating there's a spectrum here, and the Atom is definitely a production car). I'll go ahead and be proactive if nobody objects. ... aa: talk 03:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Arguably the first four wheel drive car would be the Spyker 60HP build in 1903. This car is also mentioned as the first car with brakes on all four wheels and as having the first six cylinder in the world but this needs verification
Well, the Dutch article on the Spyker 60 H.P. mentions that it has also been produced as a production car, yet production was ended due to high costs. The fact that the Jensen FF has been written down as the first 4WD production car seems pathetic, there have been much more earlier 4WD cars than the Jensen. 77.102.101.220 ( talk) 23:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
On 7 Mar 2009 richfife deleted a huge amount of info about the largest and smallest engine sizes. His comment was it was being moved elsewhere. Well I have searched and cannot find it. Can someone show me where it all went? Where should it go? ---- danallen46 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danallen46 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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Currently it's listed as being the 1959 Lotus Elite, but I wonder if it may be the 1956 Berkeley T60. It depends if they were actual monocoque (it may be body-on-frame with a fibreglass frame). They were made in fibreglass with aluminium bulkheads and steel sections for the engine support. According to http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/berkeley-t60.html they had a "box-shaped substructure and suspension and engine compartment reinforced with aluminum, forming a fiberglass monocoque structure". // Liftarn
No objections? Alright then. Lotus Elite gets bumped. // Liftarn
IMO this article should list most powerful & fastest electric cars also. - G3, 13:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone want to include a section on highest redlines for each engine configuration? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.21.2.5 ( talk) 23:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC).
Alternative and more easily checked idea: highest and lowest claimed maximum power (and torque?) rpms (with categories at least for petrol/diesel, car/bike (or bike engined sportcars), and maybe for NA/blown and single/multivalve or even cam/head tech?). These are more widely published, checkable on a dynamometer, and not readily worked around by mr or mrs O.R. troll by fitting a modified ECU chip / meddling with the governor. Plus the power rpms are often not that far away from the limiter or "redline". My own experiences are along the lines of 5200 power, 6000 redline, 6500 limiter and 5000/5750/6000 (older, 8v engine designs), 5750/????/6750ish (newer 16v with no redline marked on tacho and a somewhat fuzzy limiter also that moves around according to oil temperature) and 8500/9000/10500 (small, conservatively tuned motorcycle using rather old tech). Yer average turbodiesel - or a very low tune petrol - might be something like 4000/4500/4750. Torque seems to sit around 2000-3500 for 8v petrol, 3000-5000 for 16v, and 1500-3000 diesel (the only bike figure I have is 7000, no idea if it's typical). Major deviations from these norms would be notable. EG the "Iron Duke" engine with peak torque around 1900rpm and peak power somewhere in the mid 3000s vs recent Honda car engines that have peak power close on 10,000rpm and torque not very far from it, or Sportsbike engines that spin in the stratosphere beyond 15000 77.102.101.220 ( talk) 22:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I added Connaught Type-D GT with a 2.0L V10 in the smallest engines category as a honorable mention since the vehicle is awaiting production currently. It was deleted. Any reason for it?
Here are the specs http://www.connaughtmotorco.com/performance_gt.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.168.185 ( talk) 23:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
I also notice, there's no mention of the first sedan delivery. Harley Earl 13:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Changed it to the 500cc Honda V4 found in the Magna and Interceptor. 129.173.188.67 ( talk) 21:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I see 1st in-car radio, but not 1st in-car record player, which was an option in some T-birds in the '50s & '60s. Trekphiler ( talk) 12:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I know I would be on shaky footing proposing the VW Kubelwagen as having the smallest 4-pot boxer (at 985cc), as it was a military vehicle (and therefore, not "bought" originally) despite it a/ having a big production run, b/ being for purpose of transporting people and c/ being on sale since (2nd hand...)... and although some of the engines made it to production beetles (kommanderwagens etc), there probably weren't enough. <-- much of my info nicked from the Beetle article as I was sure I remembered it having a sub-1.0L engine, in contrast to the Ami However, regardless of that, I can pip the Ami just with info from an article linked from the VW Bug one... the Steyr 50. 978cc engine (977.5) as standard, with a storming 22 horsepower, proper private-owner passenger car with a reasonable production run, and even an external website reference to "verify" such. Does it qualify? (I altogether wouldn't be surprised if there were even smaller flat 4s than that) 82.46.180.56 ( talk) 20:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The list shows the Tata Nano as the least expensive car, but the Nano is not yet in production, hence the price is an "illustration" rather than a reality. 842U ( talk) 13:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This engine, listed as highest specific power for a forced induction engine, does not produce 204ps as stated. The car (123d) has 204ps but this is not all from the diesel engine. The efficient dynamics package is a low level hybrid system so there is an electric motor which provides power when needed. There seem to be no specs on how much the electric motor provides but looking at the difference across other models in the BMW range when they introduced it, 13-14ps, although with the new 7-series they have also claimed 20ps. So the engine is not 204ps, but perhaps 190ps, you just can't tell. Alpina also offer a tweaked version. 83.231.210.146 ( talk) 17:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no way the Rolls Royce Phantom is the "tallest car". Even a humble Nissan Cube is taller. I have done a brief search and the current Alphard minivan was the tallest I could find, so I put that, but there may be another that I didn't think of. If anyone thinks there should be a separate category for minivans, go ahead and make it, but we would be on shaky ground, because these days it's becoming increasingly hard to define where the "normal cars" end and the "minivan" segment begins. El monty ( talk) 15:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I question the listing of '1938 Studebaker Commander' under this heading. There is no mention of 'air conditioning' in the linked article nor of Studebaker in the Auto Air Conditioning Wiki. AS a member of the Studebaker Drivers Club,I know of no production air conditioned cars in the Thirties, however there might have been some prototype activity in that direction, considering Raymond Loewy was retained at that time. The citation should be "1939 Packard" in terms of production, or 1930 Cadillac, but that was a custom installation for a Huston Millionaire.
Rod Barclay, Argyle, TX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.38.245 ( talk) 06:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
if there are any. i know only the Bugatti EB118 and the Bugatti EB218 , but they are concept car. 82.60.180.188 ( talk) 16:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
i think the smallest turbocharged engine it's the TwinAir 875 cc used in the Fiat 500. what about the smallest supercharged ? 82.60.180.188 ( talk) 15:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Pagani Zonda 760RS is a one-off version, so the entry don't follow the "20 produced in the superlative version" rule. As Far as i know the Aston Martin One-77 is the most powerful natural aspired engined car produced in more than 20 pieces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.38.250.240 ( talk) 19:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
The Caparo T1 is listed many times on this list... such as
Most specific power (power to weight ratio)
* 1045 hp/metric ton (1.91 lb/hp) - 2007 Caparo T1 V8 engine 575 hp (429 kW) and 470 kg (1036 lb)
when I do the calculations, it has a specific output of 164.29 hp/liter. from 3.5 liters (naturally aspirated) The currently listed car is 142.3 hp/litre - 1994 JDM Suzuki Cultus Suzuka edition R13B (138 kW (188 PS/185 hp) 1.3 L I4) - furthermore, it is marked "citation needed" and I can't find anywhere that actually states that engine was used in that car. The wiki page for the car states that the cultus used b family engines and not r family engines so I am beginning to doubt whether this is correct anyway. Can someone please confirm this and change it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.177.227 ( talk) 18:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The BMW S42 engine, a racing variant of the M42 engine, produced up to 315 bhp from 1.999 ltr, which is approximately 157.6 bhp/ltr, more than the currently listed engine, although slightly less than the V8 above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.5.136 ( talk) 23:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, is this only for cars? the 2010 BMW S1000rr has been confirmed to produce 197hp from a naturally aspirated 1000cc inline 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdubs ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Ariel Atom V8 (25 produced), 3 litre engine, 500 bhp, that's 166,7 bhp per litre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.80.37.212 ( talk) 00:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Another bit to add/change if applicable. Chevrolet is claiming 765 lb-ft of torque in the 2011 Duramax diesel, which is more than the Audi V12 diesel listed. Technically it isn't in production yet, but I still think it should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.157.107 ( talk) 00:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Further bit. Power-to-weight ratios for Diesels. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
41.196.29.86 (
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12:46, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Changed the car for "Petrol/Gasoline (forced-induction) piston engine" back to the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400, from the SSC Aero. SSC Aero has a 387.2 cu in engine(387.2 (cu in) = 6.34507118 liters) and claims 1287hp, 1287 / 6.34507118 = 202.834604. So the SSC Aero has about 202.8hp per liter. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400 has a 1997cc engine (1997cc = 1.997 liters) and claims 405.2hp, 405.2 / 1.99700 = 202.904357. So the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution FQ-400 has about 202.9hp per liter. All of these numbers come from the official Wikipedia pages and can be confirmed elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Ultimate_Aero_TT and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Sirius_engine#4G63 72.199.145.171 ( talk) 05:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we have to remove all the entries with SSC Aero (all versions) from this list. Despite original claims to build 25 of them, in fact, Jerod Shelby stated that he only made 15 cars before Tuatara. Quote "Shelby calls the new design bold, futuristic and cutting edge and says the previous 15 Shelby cars were all a prelude to this model.". Link:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/08/driving-the-ssc-ultimate-aero-worlds-second-fastest-car/1#.UId7fsXMh8E
What do you think?
IP-93.183.236.121 (
talk)
05:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I know my comment may be rather useless this way, but... the data included in the section Fuel Economy is simply false. There's more than 40 different cars with over 70 MPG, check for instance http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/search-by-fuel-economy.aspx. I don't have the time or energy to make the edition, but this section is worse than nothing this way. Csdani84 ( talk) 21:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
This section was rendered useless by editing the list based on the numbers of the EPA. If you restrict the source to the EPA I don't see a point of having the list. The section should use the numbers given by the car makers and maybe have a note if the actual mileage differs drastically from the given. The most economical diesels are the Audi A2 1.2 3L TDI and VW Lupo 3L TDI with 3L/100km or 78,1mpg. The most economical gasoline is the VW Polo V bluemotion with 3,3L/100km or 71,3mpg. Those informations can be obtained from their respective article here. As for the other cars, I'm not certain, but I think the Tesla Roadster is the most economical all-electric car. For the electric and hybrid cars there should also be a different unit than MPG, MPGe or L/100km or at least a link to the article of MPGe. SkySilver ( talk) 20:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to add that you would need to have different classes for fuel economy. One for each drivecycle. The NEDC and the FTP-75 being the two most used ones, for Europe and the US respectively. Though of course this will be changed in time when the world adopts the World Light Test Procedure...hopefully. Though when that happens the fuel economy figures are likely to drop due to the transient behaviour of the cycle, and increasing emission legislation which has reduces fuel economy further. So you'd probably have to list at least 3 drive cycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.66.54 ( talk) 21:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
i think the Hennessey Venom GT should be removed from the list since, according to their official website [ [4]], The Hennessey Venom GT design is based on the Lotus Elise / Exige. The Venom GT is created from a base Lotus Elise / Exige and utilizes components including but not limited to the roof, doors, side glass, windscreen, dash, cockpit, floorpan, HVAC system, wiper and head lamps. Hennessey Performance and the Venom GT are not associated with Lotus Cars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.218.192 ( talk) 16:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the 20 car limit at Talk:List of fastest production cars#Page protected/20 car limit - new discussion.
The question being considered:
The list currently uses the same definition as the list of automotive superlatives:
In order to keep the entries relevant, the list (except for the firsts section) is limited to automobiles built after World War II, and lists superlatives for earlier vehicles separately. The list is also limited to production road cars that:
An alternative definition from the List of fastest cars by acceleration is:
This list includes full production cars only; concept, modified, very limited-production, and race cars of any kind are not considered. If an independent time becomes available, that time will be listed over the manufacturer's time regardless if the latter is quicker. NealeFamily ( talk) 20:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
To many entries in the list are occupied by cars "sui generis" wich aren't really representative of the automotive industry: The peel P50 alone take 6 entries, the Ariel atom 3 and the Caparo T1 2. Those are really to much of their own league to be representative of the car industry just as example: The Highest N/A specific power is taken by the Caparo T1 with 159.3 hp/liter when the best in the "real car" car industry is around 125hp/liter: Honda S2000, Ferrari 458, Porsche 911 RS 4.0. I think that the article must highlight the best that is attained by the real representatives of the car industry and not by car novelties like a barely stret legal race car.
So I'm proposing to add this rule to wich cars must comply to be eligibles for an entry:
"Automobiles which has at least one door on each side and a minimum of two seats situated one on each side of the longitudinal centre line of the car; these two seats must be crossed by the same transversal plane. This car must be able to be used perfectly legally on the open road."
This way we can cut off, single seaters and car with tandem seats and set free a dozen of positions for models more depictive of the car industry.
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The converted values for specific torque (lbf.ft/L) mix systems of units. I played around with the {{Convert}} template but, short of adding Nm/L and lbf.ft/in^3 to the template, there doesn't seem to be a way to do a proper conversion of this particular combination of units. I propose to hand convert (using sMath) the units directly from Nm/L to lbf.ft/in^3. Does anyone object?-- Tedd ( talk) 18:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I know not from whence came the notion that the Dolly Sprint had the first production 4-valve engine, since the Multi-valve article seems to suggest that this honour fell to the 1917 Stutz T-head I4. The 1921 Bentley 3-litre was also a 16V four, with SOHC, a trait shared with all W.O. Bentley engines until they became badge-engineered Rollers. Am I missing something blindingly obvious? Mr Larrington ( talk) 01:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The Atom can be used as a race car, of course, but it is street legal. I think the article should be changed to reflect that it is the lightest current production car (the Lotus Elise is another example of a very capable race car that is most definitely a production car; the Subaru WRX STI and Mitsubishi Evo are less extreme examples of "race cars" that are production vehicles, but I'm indicating there's a spectrum here, and the Atom is definitely a production car). I'll go ahead and be proactive if nobody objects. ... aa: talk 03:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Arguably the first four wheel drive car would be the Spyker 60HP build in 1903. This car is also mentioned as the first car with brakes on all four wheels and as having the first six cylinder in the world but this needs verification
Well, the Dutch article on the Spyker 60 H.P. mentions that it has also been produced as a production car, yet production was ended due to high costs. The fact that the Jensen FF has been written down as the first 4WD production car seems pathetic, there have been much more earlier 4WD cars than the Jensen. 77.102.101.220 ( talk) 23:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
On 7 Mar 2009 richfife deleted a huge amount of info about the largest and smallest engine sizes. His comment was it was being moved elsewhere. Well I have searched and cannot find it. Can someone show me where it all went? Where should it go? ---- danallen46 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danallen46 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)