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Why was Soviet Union/Russia split up,Russian armour stocks are mostly soviet. I am going to merge them back together for now. Dudtz 4/24/06 8:21 PM EST
You should spilt up Germany into East germany,and Federal Republic of Germany if you feel that way. Many Soviet designs are still being built in Russia,I don't see what is wrong with having The USSR and its successor state(Russian Federation) together. Dudtz 5/8/06 6:00 PM EST
There seems to be some confusion regarding the meaning of "by country": although in the introduction it is specified that the grouping is "by country of origin", there seems to be grouping by country of use as well. Possibly some corrections should be made. Skartsis 16:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro states this is simply a list, with "the number of AFVs produced and the period of use". And remember, it is a potentially huge list of all AFVs.
Recently, there have been several additions with short descriptions, which may be helpful to identify a vehicle, and mini-articles listing characteristics and histories. This level of annotation is starting to make this list difficult to use, inconsistent, and potentially unsynchronized with the respective articles. It also hampers the functionality of the list's related changes link.
Editors should put the energy into the respective articles instead of cluttering this potentially huge list.
Let's pare this list down to what it is intended to be.
See also Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists), and Wikipedia:Overlistification. — Michael Z. 2007-07-27 16:59 Z
List of prototype armoured fighting vehicles ought to be merged into this article, to prevent duplication. All of the information can be preserved by ensuring that each entry in that list retains the word "prototype" in its description. — Michael Z. 2007-08-16 05:36 Z
List of military armoured cars too, for the same reason. Each country should have a subheading "armoured cars". — Michael Z. 2007-08-16 05:41 Z
I agree with both proposals, providing that the format of this list is enhanced to include relevant information (eg: prototype or production). My feeling is that a table format would be much useful than a plain list as it is now, as an example the format used in List of artillery could be used. Please note that List of artillery by country has the same format as this one, so maybe for consistency it's decided to keep the current format (and create a unified "List of armoured fighting vehicles" in table format, perhaps?). Regards, DPdH ( talk) 08:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
List of Estonian armoured fighting vehicles really should be merged, too. — Michael Z. 2008-05-29 20:09 z
Hi, I was revisiting the various "lists" relatred to AFVs, and found the "Merge proposal" tag in
List of prototype armoured fighting vehicles, so seems that is did not proceed. As I cannot find evidence of opposition to the proposal, I assume it's outstanding due to lack of time? Same for the other merge proposals? Please comment.
Thanks & regards,
DPdH (
talk) 06:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
How would we adopt the table format from List of artillery for this list? This may be a good opportunity to reduce redundancy by merging some of the many lists, and eliminating overlap of self-propelled artillery. This would differ from what we have now, and no longer be "by country", so maybe we should start a new stand-alone list.
The artillery list is subdivided into tables by class. Each table is sorted by calibre, and includes name, country of origin, and period (should be year of introduction). It's a bit garish, but the flags might actually be useful in the mixed lists.
AFVs could be similarly divided into tables by class. I see the following subheadings already in use here:
How would we sort each table? In many cases it may make sense to go by weight, which may help obviate arguments about what constitutes a light or medium tank. Alternatively, they could be listed by year of introduction. — Michael Z. 2008-05-29 20:51 z
Class | Type | Name | Year | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|
Example country #1 | ||||
Tanks | Light Tanks | Light Tank Alpha | 1986 | Blahblahblah |
Light Tank Beta | 1989 | Blahblahyadda | ||
Main Battle Tanks | MBT Gamma | 1976 | Yaddayaddayadda | |
APCs | IFVs | IFV Delta | 1999 | Hohumhohum |
APCs | APC Epsilon | 1968 | Blahhohum | |
APC Zeta | 1975 | Hohumblahyadda | ||
Example country #2 |
I support reorganising to be primarily by type then in the tables which allow the reader to select sort order. (I'll sign later) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.218.193 ( talk) 05:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
The list of artillery has a “period” column, with the following values. I'd like to assign a starting year to each period, so that the column can be sorted sensibly, and to use as a secondary key for rows which have a period assigned but no precise year. (Actually, the starting year should probably be the year before the nominal start of the period, so that vehicles without specific years would get sorted before those which have years assigned.)
Taking values from the list of artillery:
* “ Modern” has a very different meaning in a historical context. I think that should specifically say “post-Cold War”.
I'll try to do up an example table in the next day or two. — Michael Z. 2008-08-27 07:04 z
this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armoured_fighting_vehicles similar list should at least be cross referenced, also it seems to use some of the categories you suggest above, although it is still by country. anyway it separates apc from afv and other things as well. this list here seems to all light armour as afv? (eg buffel RSA) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.94.225 ( talk) 14:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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Why was Soviet Union/Russia split up,Russian armour stocks are mostly soviet. I am going to merge them back together for now. Dudtz 4/24/06 8:21 PM EST
You should spilt up Germany into East germany,and Federal Republic of Germany if you feel that way. Many Soviet designs are still being built in Russia,I don't see what is wrong with having The USSR and its successor state(Russian Federation) together. Dudtz 5/8/06 6:00 PM EST
There seems to be some confusion regarding the meaning of "by country": although in the introduction it is specified that the grouping is "by country of origin", there seems to be grouping by country of use as well. Possibly some corrections should be made. Skartsis 16:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro states this is simply a list, with "the number of AFVs produced and the period of use". And remember, it is a potentially huge list of all AFVs.
Recently, there have been several additions with short descriptions, which may be helpful to identify a vehicle, and mini-articles listing characteristics and histories. This level of annotation is starting to make this list difficult to use, inconsistent, and potentially unsynchronized with the respective articles. It also hampers the functionality of the list's related changes link.
Editors should put the energy into the respective articles instead of cluttering this potentially huge list.
Let's pare this list down to what it is intended to be.
See also Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists), and Wikipedia:Overlistification. — Michael Z. 2007-07-27 16:59 Z
List of prototype armoured fighting vehicles ought to be merged into this article, to prevent duplication. All of the information can be preserved by ensuring that each entry in that list retains the word "prototype" in its description. — Michael Z. 2007-08-16 05:36 Z
List of military armoured cars too, for the same reason. Each country should have a subheading "armoured cars". — Michael Z. 2007-08-16 05:41 Z
I agree with both proposals, providing that the format of this list is enhanced to include relevant information (eg: prototype or production). My feeling is that a table format would be much useful than a plain list as it is now, as an example the format used in List of artillery could be used. Please note that List of artillery by country has the same format as this one, so maybe for consistency it's decided to keep the current format (and create a unified "List of armoured fighting vehicles" in table format, perhaps?). Regards, DPdH ( talk) 08:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
List of Estonian armoured fighting vehicles really should be merged, too. — Michael Z. 2008-05-29 20:09 z
Hi, I was revisiting the various "lists" relatred to AFVs, and found the "Merge proposal" tag in
List of prototype armoured fighting vehicles, so seems that is did not proceed. As I cannot find evidence of opposition to the proposal, I assume it's outstanding due to lack of time? Same for the other merge proposals? Please comment.
Thanks & regards,
DPdH (
talk) 06:25, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
How would we adopt the table format from List of artillery for this list? This may be a good opportunity to reduce redundancy by merging some of the many lists, and eliminating overlap of self-propelled artillery. This would differ from what we have now, and no longer be "by country", so maybe we should start a new stand-alone list.
The artillery list is subdivided into tables by class. Each table is sorted by calibre, and includes name, country of origin, and period (should be year of introduction). It's a bit garish, but the flags might actually be useful in the mixed lists.
AFVs could be similarly divided into tables by class. I see the following subheadings already in use here:
How would we sort each table? In many cases it may make sense to go by weight, which may help obviate arguments about what constitutes a light or medium tank. Alternatively, they could be listed by year of introduction. — Michael Z. 2008-05-29 20:51 z
Class | Type | Name | Year | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|
Example country #1 | ||||
Tanks | Light Tanks | Light Tank Alpha | 1986 | Blahblahblah |
Light Tank Beta | 1989 | Blahblahyadda | ||
Main Battle Tanks | MBT Gamma | 1976 | Yaddayaddayadda | |
APCs | IFVs | IFV Delta | 1999 | Hohumhohum |
APCs | APC Epsilon | 1968 | Blahhohum | |
APC Zeta | 1975 | Hohumblahyadda | ||
Example country #2 |
I support reorganising to be primarily by type then in the tables which allow the reader to select sort order. (I'll sign later) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.218.193 ( talk) 05:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
The list of artillery has a “period” column, with the following values. I'd like to assign a starting year to each period, so that the column can be sorted sensibly, and to use as a secondary key for rows which have a period assigned but no precise year. (Actually, the starting year should probably be the year before the nominal start of the period, so that vehicles without specific years would get sorted before those which have years assigned.)
Taking values from the list of artillery:
* “ Modern” has a very different meaning in a historical context. I think that should specifically say “post-Cold War”.
I'll try to do up an example table in the next day or two. — Michael Z. 2008-08-27 07:04 z
this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armoured_fighting_vehicles similar list should at least be cross referenced, also it seems to use some of the categories you suggest above, although it is still by country. anyway it separates apc from afv and other things as well. this list here seems to all light armour as afv? (eg buffel RSA) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.94.225 ( talk) 14:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
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