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Why are these on the list? Children and families watch them and there's no explicit sex or gore? Tons of cartoons have episodes with heavy themes and they are never labelled as "adult".
My grandparents watched Jetsons and Flinstones as children. Fish Police is not an adult cartoon just because Angel has big breasts.
Spider-Man is no more violent than your average Marvel movie or show.
Corner Gas is not violent or sexual at all.
These are all aimed at families, and are not adult cartoons unless they have been confirmed by someone working on the show/movie to be aimed at adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool34234 ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."
I was going to do an WP:RFC on this, but I wanted to start with you all first, to figure out how we should separate those on this page from those on the List of adult animated internet series. Obviously, shows on networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and Comedy Central are considered television shows. In the past, users on WikiProject Television have asserted that Netflix series are considered TV series because "they are created and produced in a manner reflecting how traditional television is put together" and that since we can "stream" it on our TVs rather than only on our computers, it is, in a sense, a "TV series". Others have said that that while broadcast isn't the right term and have mentioned a Netflix TV series. Additionally, some have implied that shows on Hulu, DCU, and YouTube are TV series, while including them in show templates. At first some said that the term "web television" should stop being used in place of streaming television, despite the awkwardness of that term, then others said that "web series are generally older (say, mostly the 2005–2015 period), tend to run shorter (e.g. 5–15 minute episodes), and tend to be put out by places like web sites, or "free" services like YouTube, not from "streamers" like Netflix, Prime and Hulu," with streamers putting out "30- and 60-minute episode TV series that would not generally be called "web series"" Now, the web series page says that online portals such as MSN Video, YouTube, Revver, and the Rooster Teeth website, should be considered web series, which would put them in the "internet series" page. However, the streaming television page lists streaming platform Hulu, MyTV, and others, while the web television page noted platforms like Disney+, Amazon Video, iTunes, MySpace, The WB, Crackle, Newgrounds, and Roku as falling into the TV category, apparently. Despite this mess of pages, let us take into account how the television show defines the term:
A television show – or simply TV show – is any content produced for viewing on a television set which can be broadcast via over-the-air, satellite, cable, - excluding breaking news, advertisements, or trailers that are typically placed between shows. Television shows are most often scheduled for broadcast well ahead of time and appear on electronic guides or other TV listings, but **streaming services often make them available for viewing anytime.** The content in a television show can be produced with different methodologies such as taped variety shows emanating from a television studio stage, animation or a variety of film productions ranging from movies to series. Shows not produced on a television studio stage are usually contracted or licenced to be made by appropriate production companies.
There are so many streaming platforms and various shows released on the internet, I'd like your thoughts on this, so we can clearly delineate the differences between the types of series, coming to some sort of consensus. I think some of those on the List of adult animated internet series are straight-forward and clearly not animated series, but others are not and may need to be added into this page. So @ Alphius, Mable, Argento Surfer, SummerPhDv2.0, and Dpm12:, since you commented on the talk page back in the day and offered some constructive comments there, I thought you could give your thoughts here on this and any other possible changes you'd like to see to the page. The same applies to editors of the main page who edited it in 2020 like @ Mcnickleguy57, Alexjjj, MrPersonHumanGuy, CartoonnewsCP, JordanPowers95, Smokeykaraoke, and JohnFranko 275:. Others can join in if they'd like, too. Historyday01 ( talk) 06:30, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."
The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, Paramount+, YouTube Premium, Google TV, and YouTube TV.
Before I start I know that me arguing for the inclusion of this anime is ironic considering I just wrote we shouldn't include anime on this list above in the "How should we be differentiating between "television series" and "internet series"?" conversation. just hear me out.
I believe an exception should be made for this anime as it was intentionally made to imitate western adult cartoons. you can see this on its Wikipedia page under Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt#Development.
To further my case when the Reddit anime community was asked Are there any Anime Series inspired by Western Cartoons? they immediately responded making Panty and Stockings with Garterbelt the comment with the most upvote comment with 187 votes. it's clearly known and associated with western animation. what do you guys (mostly @ Historyday01:)think? should we include it? ATCkit ( talk) 10:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I found out recently, by adding sectionsizes for this page, that this page, at its current length, violates WP:SIZESPLIT. So, as a first step to remedying that, and per WP:SPINOUT, WP:SIZERULE, and Wikipedia:Content forking#List formats, I'd like to propose a split of all the content from adult animated streaming TV shows onto a new page, titled List of adult animated streaming television series. If that page name is too long, I'm willing to consider List of adult animated streaming series instead. As WP:HASTE makes clear, there is no reason to hastily do this, so I'm starting a discussion for this here, will continue until there is a consensus. Anyway, this split would also fall under WP:CONSPLIT in terms of a similar title to this article. Here is how streaming television shows are currently defined for your reference:
Streaming television is the digital distribution of television content, such as TV shows, as streaming media delivered over the Internet. Streaming TV stands in contrast to dedicated terrestrial television delivered by over-the-air aerial systems, cable television, and/or satellite television systems. The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, HBO Max, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, and Paramount+. [a]
Here is a draft page I've come up with, which is 68,191 bytes or 68 kB, lowering this page to 163,719 bytes (or 163 kB). This would move the page closer to apoint of making sure it doesn't violate WP:SIZESPLIT, which says that pages above 100kB/100,000 chars "almost certainly should be divided." This page, if the content was spun-off, would only focus on shows on broadcast TV, not on streaming platforms. With that, I look forward to hearing from you all on this idea and other ideas on how to reduce the size of this page, whether through other proposed splits or something else entirely. Thanks. Historyday01 ( talk) 16:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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I think it best date as well we could do the following
Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 09:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there any Asian shows we could added to these pages Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Why are these on the list? Children and families watch them and there's no explicit sex or gore? Tons of cartoons have episodes with heavy themes and they are never labelled as "adult".
My grandparents watched Jetsons and Flinstones as children. Fish Police is not an adult cartoon just because Angel has big breasts.
Spider-Man is no more violent than your average Marvel movie or show.
Corner Gas is not violent or sexual at all.
These are all aimed at families, and are not adult cartoons unless they have been confirmed by someone working on the show/movie to be aimed at adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool34234 ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."
I was going to do an WP:RFC on this, but I wanted to start with you all first, to figure out how we should separate those on this page from those on the List of adult animated internet series. Obviously, shows on networks like ABC, NBC, FOX, and Comedy Central are considered television shows. In the past, users on WikiProject Television have asserted that Netflix series are considered TV series because "they are created and produced in a manner reflecting how traditional television is put together" and that since we can "stream" it on our TVs rather than only on our computers, it is, in a sense, a "TV series". Others have said that that while broadcast isn't the right term and have mentioned a Netflix TV series. Additionally, some have implied that shows on Hulu, DCU, and YouTube are TV series, while including them in show templates. At first some said that the term "web television" should stop being used in place of streaming television, despite the awkwardness of that term, then others said that "web series are generally older (say, mostly the 2005–2015 period), tend to run shorter (e.g. 5–15 minute episodes), and tend to be put out by places like web sites, or "free" services like YouTube, not from "streamers" like Netflix, Prime and Hulu," with streamers putting out "30- and 60-minute episode TV series that would not generally be called "web series"" Now, the web series page says that online portals such as MSN Video, YouTube, Revver, and the Rooster Teeth website, should be considered web series, which would put them in the "internet series" page. However, the streaming television page lists streaming platform Hulu, MyTV, and others, while the web television page noted platforms like Disney+, Amazon Video, iTunes, MySpace, The WB, Crackle, Newgrounds, and Roku as falling into the TV category, apparently. Despite this mess of pages, let us take into account how the television show defines the term:
A television show – or simply TV show – is any content produced for viewing on a television set which can be broadcast via over-the-air, satellite, cable, - excluding breaking news, advertisements, or trailers that are typically placed between shows. Television shows are most often scheduled for broadcast well ahead of time and appear on electronic guides or other TV listings, but **streaming services often make them available for viewing anytime.** The content in a television show can be produced with different methodologies such as taped variety shows emanating from a television studio stage, animation or a variety of film productions ranging from movies to series. Shows not produced on a television studio stage are usually contracted or licenced to be made by appropriate production companies.
There are so many streaming platforms and various shows released on the internet, I'd like your thoughts on this, so we can clearly delineate the differences between the types of series, coming to some sort of consensus. I think some of those on the List of adult animated internet series are straight-forward and clearly not animated series, but others are not and may need to be added into this page. So @ Alphius, Mable, Argento Surfer, SummerPhDv2.0, and Dpm12:, since you commented on the talk page back in the day and offered some constructive comments there, I thought you could give your thoughts here on this and any other possible changes you'd like to see to the page. The same applies to editors of the main page who edited it in 2020 like @ Mcnickleguy57, Alexjjj, MrPersonHumanGuy, CartoonnewsCP, JordanPowers95, Smokeykaraoke, and JohnFranko 275:. Others can join in if they'd like, too. Historyday01 ( talk) 06:30, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Adult animation is typically defined as animation which skews toward adults. It is also described as something that "formative youths should stay far, far away from" or has adult humor and comes in various styles, but especially sitcoms and comedies. Some have stated that it refers to animations with "adult themes and situations," which uses "explicit language" and make jokes that adults, and occasionally teens, are "more likely to understand" than others. Such animations often run in the evening, but they are not pornographic or dirty, but rather just called adult as they are "overall directed toward an older age group." These animations can also "appeal to wide swaths of viewers," including those aged 18-34. AdWeek called adult animation "animated projects aimed at grown-ups, not kids." They also focus on issues that adults handle, and have cheeky, and occasionally crass, humor "that has no limits—bouncing between funny and offensive," while evoking a "balance of reality and fantasy." Others stated these animations that something is only a comedy where "the violence is bloody, the dialogue is raunchy, and the intimacy is filthy."
The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, Paramount+, YouTube Premium, Google TV, and YouTube TV.
Before I start I know that me arguing for the inclusion of this anime is ironic considering I just wrote we shouldn't include anime on this list above in the "How should we be differentiating between "television series" and "internet series"?" conversation. just hear me out.
I believe an exception should be made for this anime as it was intentionally made to imitate western adult cartoons. you can see this on its Wikipedia page under Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt#Development.
To further my case when the Reddit anime community was asked Are there any Anime Series inspired by Western Cartoons? they immediately responded making Panty and Stockings with Garterbelt the comment with the most upvote comment with 187 votes. it's clearly known and associated with western animation. what do you guys (mostly @ Historyday01:)think? should we include it? ATCkit ( talk) 10:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I found out recently, by adding sectionsizes for this page, that this page, at its current length, violates WP:SIZESPLIT. So, as a first step to remedying that, and per WP:SPINOUT, WP:SIZERULE, and Wikipedia:Content forking#List formats, I'd like to propose a split of all the content from adult animated streaming TV shows onto a new page, titled List of adult animated streaming television series. If that page name is too long, I'm willing to consider List of adult animated streaming series instead. As WP:HASTE makes clear, there is no reason to hastily do this, so I'm starting a discussion for this here, will continue until there is a consensus. Anyway, this split would also fall under WP:CONSPLIT in terms of a similar title to this article. Here is how streaming television shows are currently defined for your reference:
Streaming television is the digital distribution of television content, such as TV shows, as streaming media delivered over the Internet. Streaming TV stands in contrast to dedicated terrestrial television delivered by over-the-air aerial systems, cable television, and/or satellite television systems. The use of streaming online video and streaming television is concentrated on streaming video on demand platforms such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, HBO Max, Peacock, Disney+, Apple TV+, and Paramount+. [a]
Here is a draft page I've come up with, which is 68,191 bytes or 68 kB, lowering this page to 163,719 bytes (or 163 kB). This would move the page closer to apoint of making sure it doesn't violate WP:SIZESPLIT, which says that pages above 100kB/100,000 chars "almost certainly should be divided." This page, if the content was spun-off, would only focus on shows on broadcast TV, not on streaming platforms. With that, I look forward to hearing from you all on this idea and other ideas on how to reduce the size of this page, whether through other proposed splits or something else entirely. Thanks. Historyday01 ( talk) 16:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
References
I think it best date as well we could do the following
Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 09:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there any Asian shows we could added to these pages Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)