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Since this page appears to be destined to survive AfD (and I'm not really upset about that -- it's an interesting concept), I would like to encourage the editors to change the criteria designed to keep the list managable to be objective criteria, not subjective ones. Relying on a consensus to form whether or not there were different personalities is not going to cut it. I don't particularly care which way it comes out (whether the Matrix guy comes in or the Multiplicity guy goes away), but I think one or the other is necessary. Erechtheus 07:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
-- Lurlock 15:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
No sources are cited... without sources, this is original research. If sources are added, this tag can be boldly removed.-- Isotope23 20:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I was considering, after seeing how well this page was received, creating another one which would be the opposite - Characters played by multiple actors in the same film.
The best example would be someone like Darth Vader, played by David Prowse and voiced by James Earl Jones in the original Star Wars trilogy. He also bears the distinction of being one of the few characters played by THREE actors in a single film, as in Return of the Jedi, he was played by Sebastian Shaw after being un-masked. In addition, he was played by two actors in Revenge of the Sith, as James Earl Jones reprised the voice role, while Hayden Christensen played the physical part.
However, there are certainly other examples. The two main characters in Face/Off would be rare examples that would exist on both pages. Also characters who age over the course of the film and are played by multiple actors would qualify. Things that would be excluded:
One question would be what to do about characters with shape-shifting or soul-transferring abilities. For example, technically, several actors played the role of Mystique in the X-Men trilogy, but to credit anyone other than Rebecca Romijn with the role would be improper, because the other appearances were mostly brief, and she always quickly morphed back into her default-form afterwards. Another unusual example would be the villain in Fallen, who transfers himself from host to host by contact, and is not definitively played by any one actor. This kind of thing would be much harder to keep track of, and should possibly be excluded just for that reason. Another question arises in movies where multiple characters play different roles which all have the same name. The only example of this I can think of would be "Casino Royale" (1967), which had a good half-dozen people playing James Bond, but in that case, "James Bond" was just a sort of assumed name, not the characters' real names, so it doesn't really count. (For the record, James Bond would not count in general, because though he's been played by many actors, you don't see more than one in the same film in any of the "official" movies.)
What do people think of this idea? Worth pursuing? Any other ideas for inclusion/exclusion criteria to use to keep the list managable? -- Lurlock 21:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the five Wizard of Oz references (The Wizard himself, Witch, Lion, Tin Woodman and Scarecrow) as I do not believe they are doubles. For example, Bert Lahr as the farm hand has the same personality as he does as the lion etc. In Dorothy's dream she is seeing the characters represented symbollically; they are not totally different characters.
That is true however the actor who played the Wizard played several other unrelated characters. BenW ( talk) 05:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure Buddy Love in Nutty Professor (either version) counts, since he's just an alternate form and personality of Professor Kelp/Klump (the various actors who've played Jekyll and Hyde aren't listed, after all). Obviously, all the other roles Murphy played in the remake count, and in the sequel to Murphy's version Buddy Love has an independent existence, so that might be a grey area. 92.18.183.128 ( talk) 23:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Would Commander Data and B4 be considered "multiple versions of the same character"? They're physically identical androids, but very distinct charcters. 92.18.183.128 ( talk) 23:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Should you count actors in the John Candy film Delirious, since some of these actors are playing actors and their characters within the fictional soap opera, "All My Dreams". Robert ( talk) 23:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I added Christian Bale in The Prestige, although it may be a spoiler in that it reveals the twist at the end of the film that Alfred Borden hasn't been using the prestige device as Robert Angier has and actually has an identical twin brother, Bernard. However, this information can be found on the Wikipedia page for the film. Do we have an obligation not to list an actor if it could actually be deemed a spoiler? 207.71.0.226 ( talk) 19:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't Julia Roberts's role in Ocean's Twelve fall under the "voice actors who do not physically appear on screen" category? If I recall correctly, the character she was portraying (Tess) was impersonating Julia Roberts in person, but the character of Roberts in the film is only heard over the phone. Hoof Hearted ( talk) 19:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not seeing a correlating list for one actor/multiple television roles (within one episode?), but if they would be added (or created as a separate list) we could show:
Hoof Hearted ( talk) 15:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Since this page appears to be destined to survive AfD (and I'm not really upset about that -- it's an interesting concept), I would like to encourage the editors to change the criteria designed to keep the list managable to be objective criteria, not subjective ones. Relying on a consensus to form whether or not there were different personalities is not going to cut it. I don't particularly care which way it comes out (whether the Matrix guy comes in or the Multiplicity guy goes away), but I think one or the other is necessary. Erechtheus 07:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
-- Lurlock 15:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
No sources are cited... without sources, this is original research. If sources are added, this tag can be boldly removed.-- Isotope23 20:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I was considering, after seeing how well this page was received, creating another one which would be the opposite - Characters played by multiple actors in the same film.
The best example would be someone like Darth Vader, played by David Prowse and voiced by James Earl Jones in the original Star Wars trilogy. He also bears the distinction of being one of the few characters played by THREE actors in a single film, as in Return of the Jedi, he was played by Sebastian Shaw after being un-masked. In addition, he was played by two actors in Revenge of the Sith, as James Earl Jones reprised the voice role, while Hayden Christensen played the physical part.
However, there are certainly other examples. The two main characters in Face/Off would be rare examples that would exist on both pages. Also characters who age over the course of the film and are played by multiple actors would qualify. Things that would be excluded:
One question would be what to do about characters with shape-shifting or soul-transferring abilities. For example, technically, several actors played the role of Mystique in the X-Men trilogy, but to credit anyone other than Rebecca Romijn with the role would be improper, because the other appearances were mostly brief, and she always quickly morphed back into her default-form afterwards. Another unusual example would be the villain in Fallen, who transfers himself from host to host by contact, and is not definitively played by any one actor. This kind of thing would be much harder to keep track of, and should possibly be excluded just for that reason. Another question arises in movies where multiple characters play different roles which all have the same name. The only example of this I can think of would be "Casino Royale" (1967), which had a good half-dozen people playing James Bond, but in that case, "James Bond" was just a sort of assumed name, not the characters' real names, so it doesn't really count. (For the record, James Bond would not count in general, because though he's been played by many actors, you don't see more than one in the same film in any of the "official" movies.)
What do people think of this idea? Worth pursuing? Any other ideas for inclusion/exclusion criteria to use to keep the list managable? -- Lurlock 21:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the five Wizard of Oz references (The Wizard himself, Witch, Lion, Tin Woodman and Scarecrow) as I do not believe they are doubles. For example, Bert Lahr as the farm hand has the same personality as he does as the lion etc. In Dorothy's dream she is seeing the characters represented symbollically; they are not totally different characters.
That is true however the actor who played the Wizard played several other unrelated characters. BenW ( talk) 05:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure Buddy Love in Nutty Professor (either version) counts, since he's just an alternate form and personality of Professor Kelp/Klump (the various actors who've played Jekyll and Hyde aren't listed, after all). Obviously, all the other roles Murphy played in the remake count, and in the sequel to Murphy's version Buddy Love has an independent existence, so that might be a grey area. 92.18.183.128 ( talk) 23:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Would Commander Data and B4 be considered "multiple versions of the same character"? They're physically identical androids, but very distinct charcters. 92.18.183.128 ( talk) 23:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Should you count actors in the John Candy film Delirious, since some of these actors are playing actors and their characters within the fictional soap opera, "All My Dreams". Robert ( talk) 23:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I added Christian Bale in The Prestige, although it may be a spoiler in that it reveals the twist at the end of the film that Alfred Borden hasn't been using the prestige device as Robert Angier has and actually has an identical twin brother, Bernard. However, this information can be found on the Wikipedia page for the film. Do we have an obligation not to list an actor if it could actually be deemed a spoiler? 207.71.0.226 ( talk) 19:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't Julia Roberts's role in Ocean's Twelve fall under the "voice actors who do not physically appear on screen" category? If I recall correctly, the character she was portraying (Tess) was impersonating Julia Roberts in person, but the character of Roberts in the film is only heard over the phone. Hoof Hearted ( talk) 19:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not seeing a correlating list for one actor/multiple television roles (within one episode?), but if they would be added (or created as a separate list) we could show:
Hoof Hearted ( talk) 15:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)