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1. I’m not waging another reconquest against POV nationalist editors whom, refuses to listen the actual perspective and listen to Slav-biased views. I’m attempting not to rush again. Free City of Danzig Government in Exile. Does not mention that they wish to rejoin Germany. Any source of them wanting to join Germany other than the Polish nationalist perspective made by the Polish foreign minister? Therefore it isn’t irredentism as the last time I checked their website. Before asking the reason why we are starting this again because the last time was semi-gibberish and rushed.
2. The only reason Opole is added because of one political organization known as German Minority Electoral Committee. And sorry for not having the time to link that, it’s because I was asleep at the time when you reverted defending Polish nationalism.
3. I didn't have to get over this again, but seems I have no choice. The movements: Silesian Separatist Movement, Silesian National Movement as far as I know aren’t sourced movements both in the article and the Silesian Autonomy Movement, but PLEASE. Before reverting this again, the movements are mentioned in the article Silesian Autonomy Movement. I know you aren’t going to look through the links so I have no choice...
"Some members leave RAŚ for more radical organizations, such as Silesian Separatist Movement (Śląski Ruch Separatystyczny) or Silesian National Movement (Śląski Ruch Narodowy) which are seeking a full independence of Silesia. Other organizations, for example People of the Silesian Nationality (Związek Ludności Narodowości Śląskiej) call for the immediate recognition of the so-called "Silesian nation" in Poland and Czech Republic."
Importantly, try to find sources or evidences that Free City of Danzig wants to rejoin Germany other than the Polish foreign minister one. This talk page is meant to invite editors such as @ LechitaPL:, User:Koreanovsky and etc. Explode! Pop! 18:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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This page already has issues and it has been accelerated, only gets worse less everytime than 24 hours. Not to mention that there is possibly a POV nationalist editor whom refuses to read the articles that I instructed them in Poland section, or even to look at the sources. Therefore there is an attempted Polonization of the Polish section of the article which I launched back. There is a proof that the editor is only ever sympathetic to Slavs. Explode! Pop! 20:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
a proof that the editor is only ever sympathetic to Slavs. Just focus on content.-- Calthinus ( talk) 06:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
This is a list article, where one of the main points is to guide the user to articles relevant to the different separatist movements mentioned. Recently, a lot of maps have been added to the article. The number of maps is one problem. Even worse is that the maps come in a lot of different sizes and styles, making the overall presentation extremely chaotic. Parts of the list also has extreme sandwiching, see WP:SANDWICH. The list information is more or less drowned by the visual mess. I cannot see any benefit in most of the maps, especially the "location of X area in country Y" maps. They give little or no information about the separatist movements and their goals. Instead, they clutter up the list and makes it difficult to navigate. I propose to scrap all maps as a start, then discussing if there are any maps that would help the overall functionality of the list article. -- T*U ( talk) 19:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've had a look at the two groups listed as Mercian separatists. Are these serious groups? Judging by their websites and the lack of publicity that they receive, I get the impression that they're just jokers.
The Yorkshire Ridings Society is a real group, but its aims are in line with those of the Association of British Counties, and this article doesn't consider that to be a separatist group. The Yorkshire Ridings Society doesn't want Yorkshire to be independent or even to have devolution: it just wants the pre-1974 county boundaries restored.
Therefore, I suggest that these groups be removed. What do you all think? Epa101 ( talk) 14:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Apologies, I am new to producing / editing wikipedia content. A secion that I edited was later removed, stating "Northerners and Northumbrians are not a recognised people and the party has no Wikipedia page." On what basis are northerner's not recognised as a people? Even Wikipedia has an artical stating that there is a common Northern identity. Would that, the addition of a wikipedia page on the Northern Independence Party, with additional media citations qualify this section to remain in the article?
Who can explain? 1. Donetsk people republic
2. Luhansk people republic
3. Kharkov people republic
4. Rusins in Zakarpatie
5. Galicia
6. Bukovina
Trial79 ( talk) 14:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Mark P. 8301: I see that you have added or unification with Sweden
to the entry for Åland. Do you have any source for this? The only proponents mentioned in the article are the party Future of Åland, (Ålands Framtid), and they do not have this as a goal. They work for deeper autonomy and ultimately independence, but they do not mention a union with Sweden as a possibility in any of the programmatic documents I have seen. Neither do I know of any other grouping working for union with Sweden since the 1920s. Regards! --
T*U (
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See Template:Excerpt.
This was reverted Special:Diff/1015712438 with vague reasoning, see also Special:Diff/1015714512 where I asked for further reasoning. Possibly user is prejudiced against his country (Cyprus) being considered geographically in Asia, which Template:Excerpt usage may imply by referencing that article. I'm actually puzzled why this revert has been made given very concrete explanation of my edits and Template:Excerpt usage and vague reasoning of the revert.
-- Svito3 ( talk) 02:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
This should probably use single variant on the page, see WP:ENGVAR. -- Svito3 ( talk) 15:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I have removed this addition. There is no evidence of any Ulster nationalist movement currently active in Northern Ireland. FDW777 ( talk) 08:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
User:Super Dromaeosaurus has repeatedly reverted any edits which attempt to underline the connection between the Transylvanian regionalist movement as listed on this article and the ideology of
Transylvanianism. I have tried in the past to add {{seealso|Transylvanianism}}
to the relevant section, only to have my edit immediately reverted. His edits have also affected the
Stateless nationalism in Europe template, as well as the
Regionalism (politics) page (for which he has been
reprimanded). I believe that the link between the two topics is obvious, but just in case I would like to present
this article, published by one of the organizations cited as advocating for Transylvanian regionalism, as proof of the movement's identification with the Transylvanianist label.
I must disclose that I have been reported to WP:ANI by this user and subsequently banned for 5 days for my past conduct, which is why I request the opinion of a neutral third party on the validity of these edits. Thank you. -- Reodorant ( talk) 09:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
3O Response: Normally "see also" links are reasonably uncontroversial, but if they for whatever reason are, they're no longer minor. In that case, the question would be whether there are actually any reliable sources that explicitly confirm that the two things are closely related. In this case, it seems that there are several which actually say they substantially differ.
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
03:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I just requested this page to be protected. Since 2018 or even earlier, I have tried to make improvements to this list for so many times - but everytime I take a look on it, I have to see how so many new irredentism and wrong information gets (re-)added and (re-)added again and again. Even if there have already been countless discussions about the same sections... At some points even autonomist movements that existed over 100 years ago during the Austro-Hungarian Empire have been added to this list!
Mostly IPs and new-registered useres with only edits on this list keep adding and pushing minority right-parties or regionalist movements as "autonomism" or even "secessionism"! Especially the section about France, Italy and Russia worries me the most. -- Koreanovsky ( talk) 17:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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Super Dromaeosaurus: I am definitely glad that you want to help improve the article, since during the last years there has been complete mess added. Look at the section about Russia or France, it is pure POV-content that makes it look like millions of the population are separatists or that the countries are "about to dissolve". The section about Russia was fixed once, many years ago, but some I user (I believe it was a sockpuppet) has readded the same list again. The biggest issue with Germany is the fact, that minority right-parties like
Die Friesen or
South Schleswig Voter Federation (
I removed the POV-content) keep getting re-added and re-added again as "autonomists" and the article has unironically claimed that those people want "autonomy or unification with
Denmark". Unsourced
WP:POV
WP:NOR.
Best regards, Koreanovsky ( talk) 17:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I remember how long time ago, someone literally added East Germany (!) to this list. It is true that there might be a few (East) Germans who "miss" the German Democratic Republic or are just "eastaglic", but does that automatically mean there is a autonomist/secessionist movement there? Obviously not. There are, atleast in my knowledge, not even parties that support that idea.
But what am I trying to say with this? The idea or proposal of one person, is not automatically making it a movement! The idea of one politican is not automatically always representing the party program.
Another example is the Istria County in Croatia. Yes, there is a regionalist movement, Istrianism - but that is regionalism, not automatically autonomism. The party IDS, that is named in this article, has also an Wikipedia article btw. and I have also nothing found in their party program, that says something about autonomism. You will also find many European regions with a strong regional identity, but that has nothing to do with autonomism or separatism, it is pure regionalism. The news article vecernji.hr that was named as a source, has been wrongly understood in this list. It writes something that there is the goal for counties to become regions, which is decentralisation and not autonomism. The title also only comments the idea of one person.
The same counts for Kashubia in Poland. There are minority organisations, but obviously those are organisations have the goal rise awareness of Kashubians. What has this to do with autonomism? Obviously nothing.
Wessex also needs to be removed from that list. There is a regionalist party, Wessex Regionalists, yes - but what has this to do with autonomism?! I have also noticed that it seems to be a minor political party and not a huge movement or anything?
Best regards, Koreanovsky ( talk) 15:04, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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I reinstated the changes I made on joined article; I respond to comments by Yalens - What do you even mean by 'it's too early'? It's not as if as there's a time you need to wait before making an edit. I had looked at articles on the parties and the websites of the groups for example and could tell from that which they were and they almost all looked clearcut to me in these particular cases. If there is something nowadays on French Flanders, please provide a citation - all I find is Flemish National Union - a Dutch group in the 40s. Munci ( talk) 13:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
The map is missing the eastern german-speaking part of the departement moselle which should be put in red along with alsace (the area where the villages and towns have german names often ending in -ing). "Lorraine" in "alsace-lorraine" refers to the plattdeutsch-speaking people which also live in the moselle departement but not exclusively. Normally people speak high german in Alsace which is close to german as spoken in neighboring switzerland and baden. Platt however is middle german similar to what is spoken in Luxemburg and large parts of germany. Platt speakers are also found in the north of the "bas rhin" departement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chjst ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Alsace has no active pollitical parties that have a claim for independence (Unser Land and Alsace First both demand greater autonomy within France) i suggest removal from active sepratism and transfer to active autonomist movements — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.79.183 ( talk) 12:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a idea of giving taraclia a special statues in Moldova so I think it could be included USA123-567 ( talk) 16:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Here is the source https://www.moldova.org/en/bulgarian-ethnics-in-moldova-seek-autonomy-236333-eng/ USA123-567 ( talk) 13:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a autonomist movement in Wessex So Wessex could be included USA123-567 ( talk) 16:08, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
On February 26, 2021, Kohlmann became chairman of the newly founded organization "Freie Sachsen" (not to be confused with the Free Saxony – Alliance of Independent Voters) founded in 2007 in the Haus des Gastes in Bermsgrün, which describes itself as a party according to the Party Act. On the other hand, it sees itself "in the face of the state's corona coercive measures" as a roof for a collection movement. Within a few months, the organization has succeeded in taking over sovereignty over the discourse on Telegram, with 150,000 subscribers as of February 2022, and in controlling the radical actions of the Corona protesters in Saxony. Programmatically, they call for stronger cooperation with the Visegrád Group, with which they have more in common in terms of security or family policy than with the West German federal states. The Free Saxons reject democracy and demand that "the Saxon royal family [...] in shaping the future". Deputy chairmen are Stefan Hartung (NPD), city councillor in Aue-Bad Schlema and district councillor in the Erzgebirgskreis, and the Plauen bus operator Thomas Kaden; The treasurer is the pro-Chemnitz functionary Robert Andres, who is a city councillor in Chemnitz. The State Office for the Protection of the Constitution of Saxony has the alliance in its sights and classified it as a right-wing extremist in June 2021. Since January 2022, the Free Saxons have been classified as a suspected case by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and monitored nationwide. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine at the end of February 2022, Putin masks were worn during "walks" and Russian flags were waved. The declaration of the Free Saxons: "Suddenly, the unvaccinated is no longer the main enemy No. 1!" Now "the Russian is enemy No. 1". [1], [2], [3] . [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]
Thingsomyipisntvisable ( talk) 16:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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I have removed it. There existed shortly a party, now a different social movement. Which of them do you mean and sources please. Xx236 ( talk) 12:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Christiania is a self-governing society This country within a city within a country is a “vibrant, fun, and often controversial area that has worked with the local government to stake its claim on the land and be recognised as free.” this is essentially an autonomous movement inside the danish state 79.77.87.172 ( talk) 08:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a movement that advocates for statehood of Cartagena Here is the political party: Movimiento Ciudadano de Cartagena Luxenburg lover ( talk) 15:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
How strong party needs to be, so they could be put as "political partiy involved in a political system to push for autonomy or secession"? For example do they have representation in county parliament, maybe local or regional or they just need to exist. Opatijac97 ( talk) 19:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Democratic Foundation of Chameria a self-proclaimed independent state, which has not been recognised by any country but was a member state of the UNPO from 2015 until its suspension in 2019 92.0.145.156 ( talk) 21:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
As Russia is included witthin the article it should include all asian sepratist movements inside of russia aswell as the european ones, the current format allows Turkey and other Trans-continental countries to have overlap with articles :
For example Turkey consists of:
Main articles: Kurdish nationalism, United Kurdistan, and Kurdish Question
Main articles: Assyrian nationalism, Assyrian struggle for independence, and Assyrian genocide
As such i have added russian asian movements to the artticle.
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https://mariuveren.wordpress.com/2022/10/24/hear-the-mokshas-voice/
https://mariuveren.wordpress.com/2022/10/25/erzya-congress-calls-for-pursuing-independence-from-russia/#more-1667 Thingsomyipisntvisable ( talk) 16:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
https://murciatoday.com/balearic-separatists-aim-for-mallorca-independence-referendum-in-2030_124402-a.html 88.111.92.54 ( talk) 12:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Should we even include separatists which "achieved their objective" by being annexed by Russia?
Also do they still qualify if they are Russian collaborationists and proxies?
3. They are citizens/people of the conflict area and do not come from another country.
This war is essentially Russian irredentism and while some of people in question may be of Ukrainian citizenship originally they act as belligerent of Russia.
I think writing down every Russian occupational administration as 'separatist movement' is misrepresentation of the nature of these military occupation entities. Svito3 ( talk) 22:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
We need to do something with this list. Basically every single day, there are unsourced or not notable additions by IPs and newly-registered users. The history of this list is a huge mess. It is completely full of reverts [9]. The list in itself is in a very bad state, with many unsourced parts. I added this list to my watchlist due to ensure a vandal would not keep restoring certain content but I have to constantly find new bad changes to this page on my watchlist and I'm tired of it.
I think we can take two different measures here.
I am not sure if my proposals here will receive any discussion at all. If I am to deal with this issue nobody wants to fix by myself, I will just request a high level of protection as it will be easier. Super Ψ Dro 14:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I found this political party called Mouvement de libération de la bourgogne on the Asturian Wikipedia page of list of active separatist movement so will it be a new addition to this Wikipedia page? These are also some of the entries for Portugal on the Asturian Wikipedia page: Miranda Valley Autonomist groups : Mirandés Valley Freedom Party Mirandés Independent Socialist Party ravines autonomist group : Movement of the People of Barrancos Alentejo Autonomist groups National Party of Alentejo , Alentejo Socialist Group Algarve Regionalist group : Algarve Regionalist Party Serbia: Preševo , Bujanovac and Medveđa Revolutionary group : UCPMB (defunct) Political party : Political Council for Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac Comores 123 ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Aonadh nan Gaidheal Please desist from edit warring, and note that a localist group is not the same as an autonomist one. Some of these need removing as they are not necessarily calling for more autonomy for their area at all: simply being a localist group does not mean that they belong on this list. ~~~ BryceIII ( talk) 10:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
would this be a good source for Chameria https://www.faxweb.al/fier-camet-ne-proteste-duam-republiken-tone/ Rad da writer ( talk) 12:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Looks like internet warriors keep trying to hide the donetsk and lugansk regions. They're not destroyed yet and still have some autonomy. Should be added to the list. -G
Comores 123 ( talk) 06:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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1. I’m not waging another reconquest against POV nationalist editors whom, refuses to listen the actual perspective and listen to Slav-biased views. I’m attempting not to rush again. Free City of Danzig Government in Exile. Does not mention that they wish to rejoin Germany. Any source of them wanting to join Germany other than the Polish nationalist perspective made by the Polish foreign minister? Therefore it isn’t irredentism as the last time I checked their website. Before asking the reason why we are starting this again because the last time was semi-gibberish and rushed.
2. The only reason Opole is added because of one political organization known as German Minority Electoral Committee. And sorry for not having the time to link that, it’s because I was asleep at the time when you reverted defending Polish nationalism.
3. I didn't have to get over this again, but seems I have no choice. The movements: Silesian Separatist Movement, Silesian National Movement as far as I know aren’t sourced movements both in the article and the Silesian Autonomy Movement, but PLEASE. Before reverting this again, the movements are mentioned in the article Silesian Autonomy Movement. I know you aren’t going to look through the links so I have no choice...
"Some members leave RAŚ for more radical organizations, such as Silesian Separatist Movement (Śląski Ruch Separatystyczny) or Silesian National Movement (Śląski Ruch Narodowy) which are seeking a full independence of Silesia. Other organizations, for example People of the Silesian Nationality (Związek Ludności Narodowości Śląskiej) call for the immediate recognition of the so-called "Silesian nation" in Poland and Czech Republic."
Importantly, try to find sources or evidences that Free City of Danzig wants to rejoin Germany other than the Polish foreign minister one. This talk page is meant to invite editors such as @ LechitaPL:, User:Koreanovsky and etc. Explode! Pop! 18:24, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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This page already has issues and it has been accelerated, only gets worse less everytime than 24 hours. Not to mention that there is possibly a POV nationalist editor whom refuses to read the articles that I instructed them in Poland section, or even to look at the sources. Therefore there is an attempted Polonization of the Polish section of the article which I launched back. There is a proof that the editor is only ever sympathetic to Slavs. Explode! Pop! 20:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
a proof that the editor is only ever sympathetic to Slavs. Just focus on content.-- Calthinus ( talk) 06:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
This is a list article, where one of the main points is to guide the user to articles relevant to the different separatist movements mentioned. Recently, a lot of maps have been added to the article. The number of maps is one problem. Even worse is that the maps come in a lot of different sizes and styles, making the overall presentation extremely chaotic. Parts of the list also has extreme sandwiching, see WP:SANDWICH. The list information is more or less drowned by the visual mess. I cannot see any benefit in most of the maps, especially the "location of X area in country Y" maps. They give little or no information about the separatist movements and their goals. Instead, they clutter up the list and makes it difficult to navigate. I propose to scrap all maps as a start, then discussing if there are any maps that would help the overall functionality of the list article. -- T*U ( talk) 19:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've had a look at the two groups listed as Mercian separatists. Are these serious groups? Judging by their websites and the lack of publicity that they receive, I get the impression that they're just jokers.
The Yorkshire Ridings Society is a real group, but its aims are in line with those of the Association of British Counties, and this article doesn't consider that to be a separatist group. The Yorkshire Ridings Society doesn't want Yorkshire to be independent or even to have devolution: it just wants the pre-1974 county boundaries restored.
Therefore, I suggest that these groups be removed. What do you all think? Epa101 ( talk) 14:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Apologies, I am new to producing / editing wikipedia content. A secion that I edited was later removed, stating "Northerners and Northumbrians are not a recognised people and the party has no Wikipedia page." On what basis are northerner's not recognised as a people? Even Wikipedia has an artical stating that there is a common Northern identity. Would that, the addition of a wikipedia page on the Northern Independence Party, with additional media citations qualify this section to remain in the article?
Who can explain? 1. Donetsk people republic
2. Luhansk people republic
3. Kharkov people republic
4. Rusins in Zakarpatie
5. Galicia
6. Bukovina
Trial79 ( talk) 14:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Mark P. 8301: I see that you have added or unification with Sweden
to the entry for Åland. Do you have any source for this? The only proponents mentioned in the article are the party Future of Åland, (Ålands Framtid), and they do not have this as a goal. They work for deeper autonomy and ultimately independence, but they do not mention a union with Sweden as a possibility in any of the programmatic documents I have seen. Neither do I know of any other grouping working for union with Sweden since the 1920s. Regards! --
T*U (
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15:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
See Template:Excerpt.
This was reverted Special:Diff/1015712438 with vague reasoning, see also Special:Diff/1015714512 where I asked for further reasoning. Possibly user is prejudiced against his country (Cyprus) being considered geographically in Asia, which Template:Excerpt usage may imply by referencing that article. I'm actually puzzled why this revert has been made given very concrete explanation of my edits and Template:Excerpt usage and vague reasoning of the revert.
-- Svito3 ( talk) 02:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
This should probably use single variant on the page, see WP:ENGVAR. -- Svito3 ( talk) 15:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I have removed this addition. There is no evidence of any Ulster nationalist movement currently active in Northern Ireland. FDW777 ( talk) 08:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
User:Super Dromaeosaurus has repeatedly reverted any edits which attempt to underline the connection between the Transylvanian regionalist movement as listed on this article and the ideology of
Transylvanianism. I have tried in the past to add {{seealso|Transylvanianism}}
to the relevant section, only to have my edit immediately reverted. His edits have also affected the
Stateless nationalism in Europe template, as well as the
Regionalism (politics) page (for which he has been
reprimanded). I believe that the link between the two topics is obvious, but just in case I would like to present
this article, published by one of the organizations cited as advocating for Transylvanian regionalism, as proof of the movement's identification with the Transylvanianist label.
I must disclose that I have been reported to WP:ANI by this user and subsequently banned for 5 days for my past conduct, which is why I request the opinion of a neutral third party on the validity of these edits. Thank you. -- Reodorant ( talk) 09:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
3O Response: Normally "see also" links are reasonably uncontroversial, but if they for whatever reason are, they're no longer minor. In that case, the question would be whether there are actually any reliable sources that explicitly confirm that the two things are closely related. In this case, it seems that there are several which actually say they substantially differ.
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
03:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I just requested this page to be protected. Since 2018 or even earlier, I have tried to make improvements to this list for so many times - but everytime I take a look on it, I have to see how so many new irredentism and wrong information gets (re-)added and (re-)added again and again. Even if there have already been countless discussions about the same sections... At some points even autonomist movements that existed over 100 years ago during the Austro-Hungarian Empire have been added to this list!
Mostly IPs and new-registered useres with only edits on this list keep adding and pushing minority right-parties or regionalist movements as "autonomism" or even "secessionism"! Especially the section about France, Italy and Russia worries me the most. -- Koreanovsky ( talk) 17:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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Super Dromaeosaurus: I am definitely glad that you want to help improve the article, since during the last years there has been complete mess added. Look at the section about Russia or France, it is pure POV-content that makes it look like millions of the population are separatists or that the countries are "about to dissolve". The section about Russia was fixed once, many years ago, but some I user (I believe it was a sockpuppet) has readded the same list again. The biggest issue with Germany is the fact, that minority right-parties like
Die Friesen or
South Schleswig Voter Federation (
I removed the POV-content) keep getting re-added and re-added again as "autonomists" and the article has unironically claimed that those people want "autonomy or unification with
Denmark". Unsourced
WP:POV
WP:NOR.
Best regards, Koreanovsky ( talk) 17:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
I remember how long time ago, someone literally added East Germany (!) to this list. It is true that there might be a few (East) Germans who "miss" the German Democratic Republic or are just "eastaglic", but does that automatically mean there is a autonomist/secessionist movement there? Obviously not. There are, atleast in my knowledge, not even parties that support that idea.
But what am I trying to say with this? The idea or proposal of one person, is not automatically making it a movement! The idea of one politican is not automatically always representing the party program.
Another example is the Istria County in Croatia. Yes, there is a regionalist movement, Istrianism - but that is regionalism, not automatically autonomism. The party IDS, that is named in this article, has also an Wikipedia article btw. and I have also nothing found in their party program, that says something about autonomism. You will also find many European regions with a strong regional identity, but that has nothing to do with autonomism or separatism, it is pure regionalism. The news article vecernji.hr that was named as a source, has been wrongly understood in this list. It writes something that there is the goal for counties to become regions, which is decentralisation and not autonomism. The title also only comments the idea of one person.
The same counts for Kashubia in Poland. There are minority organisations, but obviously those are organisations have the goal rise awareness of Kashubians. What has this to do with autonomism? Obviously nothing.
Wessex also needs to be removed from that list. There is a regionalist party, Wessex Regionalists, yes - but what has this to do with autonomism?! I have also noticed that it seems to be a minor political party and not a huge movement or anything?
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I reinstated the changes I made on joined article; I respond to comments by Yalens - What do you even mean by 'it's too early'? It's not as if as there's a time you need to wait before making an edit. I had looked at articles on the parties and the websites of the groups for example and could tell from that which they were and they almost all looked clearcut to me in these particular cases. If there is something nowadays on French Flanders, please provide a citation - all I find is Flemish National Union - a Dutch group in the 40s. Munci ( talk) 13:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
The map is missing the eastern german-speaking part of the departement moselle which should be put in red along with alsace (the area where the villages and towns have german names often ending in -ing). "Lorraine" in "alsace-lorraine" refers to the plattdeutsch-speaking people which also live in the moselle departement but not exclusively. Normally people speak high german in Alsace which is close to german as spoken in neighboring switzerland and baden. Platt however is middle german similar to what is spoken in Luxemburg and large parts of germany. Platt speakers are also found in the north of the "bas rhin" departement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chjst ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Alsace has no active pollitical parties that have a claim for independence (Unser Land and Alsace First both demand greater autonomy within France) i suggest removal from active sepratism and transfer to active autonomist movements — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.79.183 ( talk) 12:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
There is a idea of giving taraclia a special statues in Moldova so I think it could be included USA123-567 ( talk) 16:14, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Here is the source https://www.moldova.org/en/bulgarian-ethnics-in-moldova-seek-autonomy-236333-eng/ USA123-567 ( talk) 13:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a autonomist movement in Wessex So Wessex could be included USA123-567 ( talk) 16:08, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
On February 26, 2021, Kohlmann became chairman of the newly founded organization "Freie Sachsen" (not to be confused with the Free Saxony – Alliance of Independent Voters) founded in 2007 in the Haus des Gastes in Bermsgrün, which describes itself as a party according to the Party Act. On the other hand, it sees itself "in the face of the state's corona coercive measures" as a roof for a collection movement. Within a few months, the organization has succeeded in taking over sovereignty over the discourse on Telegram, with 150,000 subscribers as of February 2022, and in controlling the radical actions of the Corona protesters in Saxony. Programmatically, they call for stronger cooperation with the Visegrád Group, with which they have more in common in terms of security or family policy than with the West German federal states. The Free Saxons reject democracy and demand that "the Saxon royal family [...] in shaping the future". Deputy chairmen are Stefan Hartung (NPD), city councillor in Aue-Bad Schlema and district councillor in the Erzgebirgskreis, and the Plauen bus operator Thomas Kaden; The treasurer is the pro-Chemnitz functionary Robert Andres, who is a city councillor in Chemnitz. The State Office for the Protection of the Constitution of Saxony has the alliance in its sights and classified it as a right-wing extremist in June 2021. Since January 2022, the Free Saxons have been classified as a suspected case by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and monitored nationwide. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine at the end of February 2022, Putin masks were worn during "walks" and Russian flags were waved. The declaration of the Free Saxons: "Suddenly, the unvaccinated is no longer the main enemy No. 1!" Now "the Russian is enemy No. 1". [1], [2], [3] . [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]
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I have removed it. There existed shortly a party, now a different social movement. Which of them do you mean and sources please. Xx236 ( talk) 12:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Christiania is a self-governing society This country within a city within a country is a “vibrant, fun, and often controversial area that has worked with the local government to stake its claim on the land and be recognised as free.” this is essentially an autonomous movement inside the danish state 79.77.87.172 ( talk) 08:14, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a movement that advocates for statehood of Cartagena Here is the political party: Movimiento Ciudadano de Cartagena Luxenburg lover ( talk) 15:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
How strong party needs to be, so they could be put as "political partiy involved in a political system to push for autonomy or secession"? For example do they have representation in county parliament, maybe local or regional or they just need to exist. Opatijac97 ( talk) 19:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Democratic Foundation of Chameria a self-proclaimed independent state, which has not been recognised by any country but was a member state of the UNPO from 2015 until its suspension in 2019 92.0.145.156 ( talk) 21:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
As Russia is included witthin the article it should include all asian sepratist movements inside of russia aswell as the european ones, the current format allows Turkey and other Trans-continental countries to have overlap with articles :
For example Turkey consists of:
Main articles: Kurdish nationalism, United Kurdistan, and Kurdish Question
Main articles: Assyrian nationalism, Assyrian struggle for independence, and Assyrian genocide
As such i have added russian asian movements to the artticle.
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https://mariuveren.wordpress.com/2022/10/24/hear-the-mokshas-voice/
https://mariuveren.wordpress.com/2022/10/25/erzya-congress-calls-for-pursuing-independence-from-russia/#more-1667 Thingsomyipisntvisable ( talk) 16:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
https://murciatoday.com/balearic-separatists-aim-for-mallorca-independence-referendum-in-2030_124402-a.html 88.111.92.54 ( talk) 12:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Should we even include separatists which "achieved their objective" by being annexed by Russia?
Also do they still qualify if they are Russian collaborationists and proxies?
3. They are citizens/people of the conflict area and do not come from another country.
This war is essentially Russian irredentism and while some of people in question may be of Ukrainian citizenship originally they act as belligerent of Russia.
I think writing down every Russian occupational administration as 'separatist movement' is misrepresentation of the nature of these military occupation entities. Svito3 ( talk) 22:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
We need to do something with this list. Basically every single day, there are unsourced or not notable additions by IPs and newly-registered users. The history of this list is a huge mess. It is completely full of reverts [9]. The list in itself is in a very bad state, with many unsourced parts. I added this list to my watchlist due to ensure a vandal would not keep restoring certain content but I have to constantly find new bad changes to this page on my watchlist and I'm tired of it.
I think we can take two different measures here.
I am not sure if my proposals here will receive any discussion at all. If I am to deal with this issue nobody wants to fix by myself, I will just request a high level of protection as it will be easier. Super Ψ Dro 14:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I found this political party called Mouvement de libération de la bourgogne on the Asturian Wikipedia page of list of active separatist movement so will it be a new addition to this Wikipedia page? These are also some of the entries for Portugal on the Asturian Wikipedia page: Miranda Valley Autonomist groups : Mirandés Valley Freedom Party Mirandés Independent Socialist Party ravines autonomist group : Movement of the People of Barrancos Alentejo Autonomist groups National Party of Alentejo , Alentejo Socialist Group Algarve Regionalist group : Algarve Regionalist Party Serbia: Preševo , Bujanovac and Medveđa Revolutionary group : UCPMB (defunct) Political party : Political Council for Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac Comores 123 ( talk) 16:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Aonadh nan Gaidheal Please desist from edit warring, and note that a localist group is not the same as an autonomist one. Some of these need removing as they are not necessarily calling for more autonomy for their area at all: simply being a localist group does not mean that they belong on this list. ~~~ BryceIII ( talk) 10:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
would this be a good source for Chameria https://www.faxweb.al/fier-camet-ne-proteste-duam-republiken-tone/ Rad da writer ( talk) 12:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Looks like internet warriors keep trying to hide the donetsk and lugansk regions. They're not destroyed yet and still have some autonomy. Should be added to the list. -G
Comores 123 ( talk) 06:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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