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The storm reports for January 23 day list no tornadoes in Jefferson County. Instead they seem to indicate the Clay EF3 tornado occurred on January 22. So why is it listed under January 23? TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
The wording of one of the SPC storm reports seems to indicate that a tornado was confirmed in Louisiana from February 17 (calling it a "weak tornado"), but I haven't found anything on a rating and nothing about it is posted on that WFO's main page. Does anyone know where I might look for information on this? TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone provide a source for the rating on the tornado in Reno County, Kansas? The page currently referenced simply calls it a "weak tornado" without saying anything about a rating, while the Storm Reports from that date only say it was reported by a storm chaser. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay, how's about we get a discussion up here about the lede rather than edit warring over it. I am personally with USM in thinking that these lists should not have detailed ledes. Perhaps the information currently placed in the lede could be put under a "synopsis" section as we do for the yearly articles, or that we could split the information into synopses for the respective months. TornadoLGS ( talk) 05:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I am currently opposed to the current one-sentence 'boilerplate' lead structure that these lists have. It's barely a comprehensive summary of the article. The lead was recently moved to a section titled "Meteorological summary," but I don't agree with that naming, since the content contains information which is not meteorological (monetary statistics, fatalities), which is why I would use it as a lead. Naming it "Synopsis" wouldn't help either, because a synopsis is a brief summary, which is what a lead is, so it would be redundant. As I've said before, WP:WIAFL says that the lead is "engaging [...] introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria," which is what the lead I had initially created does. By moving the lead to another section, we are forced to create another lead; I'm not sure how you would make such a comprehensive and engaging lead with information other than what is already being used. TheAustinMan( Talk· Works) 21:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
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Now that the page can be edited again, and heads have cooled off, it's time to revisit the discussion of this lead issue. My opinion on having a detailed lead for this list, per WP:LEAD, remains. The generic one sentence lead is a terrible way to start of the article. There is no need to say that "this is a list" when the article title includes the word "list" in it. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 14:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Any page that can have a lead should have one. I see no reason the summary data was removed. I could see the argument that the previous "event summary" shouldn't be in the lead because of the sources, but that is a pretty weak argument. The event summary, by it's nature, is a summary, which is what a lead should be. WP:LEAD says "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." And that is exactly what the summary did. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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The storm reports for January 23 day list no tornadoes in Jefferson County. Instead they seem to indicate the Clay EF3 tornado occurred on January 22. So why is it listed under January 23? TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
The wording of one of the SPC storm reports seems to indicate that a tornado was confirmed in Louisiana from February 17 (calling it a "weak tornado"), but I haven't found anything on a rating and nothing about it is posted on that WFO's main page. Does anyone know where I might look for information on this? TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Can someone provide a source for the rating on the tornado in Reno County, Kansas? The page currently referenced simply calls it a "weak tornado" without saying anything about a rating, while the Storm Reports from that date only say it was reported by a storm chaser. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay, how's about we get a discussion up here about the lede rather than edit warring over it. I am personally with USM in thinking that these lists should not have detailed ledes. Perhaps the information currently placed in the lede could be put under a "synopsis" section as we do for the yearly articles, or that we could split the information into synopses for the respective months. TornadoLGS ( talk) 05:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I am currently opposed to the current one-sentence 'boilerplate' lead structure that these lists have. It's barely a comprehensive summary of the article. The lead was recently moved to a section titled "Meteorological summary," but I don't agree with that naming, since the content contains information which is not meteorological (monetary statistics, fatalities), which is why I would use it as a lead. Naming it "Synopsis" wouldn't help either, because a synopsis is a brief summary, which is what a lead is, so it would be redundant. As I've said before, WP:WIAFL says that the lead is "engaging [...] introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria," which is what the lead I had initially created does. By moving the lead to another section, we are forced to create another lead; I'm not sure how you would make such a comprehensive and engaging lead with information other than what is already being used. TheAustinMan( Talk· Works) 21:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Administrator note I would, if
User:Materialscientist approves, be willing to lift the protection, especially if an RFC is initiated. I would also remind everyone that
edit warring is not necessarily only
3RR violations, and I would not hesitate to hand out blocks if even slow motion edit warring were to resume.
Ks0stm (
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00:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Now that the page can be edited again, and heads have cooled off, it's time to revisit the discussion of this lead issue. My opinion on having a detailed lead for this list, per WP:LEAD, remains. The generic one sentence lead is a terrible way to start of the article. There is no need to say that "this is a list" when the article title includes the word "list" in it. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 14:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Any page that can have a lead should have one. I see no reason the summary data was removed. I could see the argument that the previous "event summary" shouldn't be in the lead because of the sources, but that is a pretty weak argument. The event summary, by it's nature, is a summary, which is what a lead should be. WP:LEAD says "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects." And that is exactly what the summary did. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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