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Expansion needed! This list-article was suggested at wt:NRHP as a needed counterpart to the much better developed List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America. Category:Monuments and memorials on the National Register of Historic Places by state is one possible source of more articles to be added to this list. -- do ncr am 03:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
This article is badly in need of pictures. Might have to go out and take some, or we know someone who photographs Union monuments & memorials. Might need to hook him up with an account or ask him to give me/us a license. Ileanadu ( talk) 17:23, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Elijah Parish Lovejoy Elijah P. Lovejoy Monument 1897
He died in 1837, murdered by a pro-slavery mob. This is clearly an event leading up to the Civil War. He has a monument similar to the Civil War ones. I think it would be helpful to include him. Any objection? deisenbe ( talk) 10:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
This is a monument to Powell the explorer, it has nothing to do with the Civil War. Carptrash ( talk) 15:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
listings such as this one.
I am opposed to using sites that are not specifically Union memorials. This is a memorial to a battle site, it is not a Union Civil War monuments or memorial. Trust me, if we are going to seriously work at this article we are going to have hundreds, maybe thousands of sites. We should be selective. Carptrash ( talk) 15:47, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln. I propose that every Lincoln monument must include some Civil War component. So statues such as The Young Lincoln would not qualify, Lincoln the Emancipator would. We needed to discuss Lincoln, Nebraska. The list is seemingly endless, including stuff such as Lincoln (car) and much more, but let us think and talk about it now. Carptrash ( talk) 16:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
that this statement:
that there are two articles devoted to that cause, which should be just one. My question here is, which is the better name?
Your input will be muchly appreciated. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 17:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out if the Sherman Building (Corpus Christi, Texas) was named after Union General Sherman please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Both were presidents with a strong connection to the Civil War. However ( opinion) every mention of them is not necessarily a Civil War memorial. To me, in a statue, if Lincoln has a beard it is arguably a CW memorial. If Grant is in a uniform, no problem. But I have seen a source that lists a "Young Lincoln" statue as a Civil War memorial and I am not buying it. So what about Lincoln, Nebraska? I say "NO." The Lincoln Memorial in Washington I am inclined to say "yes" because it has the Gettysburg Address carved on the wall behind the statue. With a typo, as I recall, but that is not a factor here. Let us not repeat the mistakes that our comrades at the Confederate List are making. The Garfield Momument in Washington has three allegorical figures, one being "Soldier" to commemorate Garfield's service as a soldier in the War. Is that enough? We have a relationship. let's talk. Carptrash ( talk) 22:03, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
So I think using Lincoln's beard as a deciding factor is a good start. That he needed to grow a beard to look Presidential was suggested to him by an 11 year old girl, whose advice he took. Somewhere there is a statue of him meeting the girl, but that happened on his way to Washington, so is pre-CW. I have seen the Kit Carson monument in Denver listed as a CW monument, but I have seen it and do not think it is a Civil War monument. With Grant, in a statue if he is in a uniform, that's good, but having a county named after him in Nebraska, which has counties named after a bunch of other Presidents, I don't think so. As far as the other article goes. as Dylan once said, "Most likely you go your way and I'll go mine." Or if you prefer Doris Day, "The future's not ours to see, que serra serra." Carptrash ( talk) 21:27, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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I am sorry, but I just could not help myself. Yes I know it needs removed, but darn I just cant help it. I do promiss not to do it anymore though :D Kevin "Hawk" Fisher ( talk) 15:14, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Are not usually listed as monuments & memorials. Only the List of Confederate monuments and memorials does this. The other over 400 Lists of monuments and memorials do not. The argument that "they do it there at the CSA list so we should here" is not compelling to me, given those realities. We do not need to push American exceptionalism here. I am inclined to remove these listings, but, we have a relationship, which means we talk about things. Carptrash ( talk) 17:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
I added missing monuments, but I did not think google was a good source for citations, perhaps I could get some help finding better sources. Thanks C. W. Gilmore ( talk) 22:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Does a street named "Union Street" count? What else could this street possibly be named for? Brandonrush Woo pig sooie! 01:10, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Can someone please add to the list the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall in Pittsburgh? This building and institution was originally built in honor of Civil War soldiers. Jmillerpgh ( talk) 00:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Expansion needed! This list-article was suggested at wt:NRHP as a needed counterpart to the much better developed List of monuments and memorials of the Confederate States of America. Category:Monuments and memorials on the National Register of Historic Places by state is one possible source of more articles to be added to this list. -- do ncr am 03:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
This article is badly in need of pictures. Might have to go out and take some, or we know someone who photographs Union monuments & memorials. Might need to hook him up with an account or ask him to give me/us a license. Ileanadu ( talk) 17:23, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Elijah Parish Lovejoy Elijah P. Lovejoy Monument 1897
He died in 1837, murdered by a pro-slavery mob. This is clearly an event leading up to the Civil War. He has a monument similar to the Civil War ones. I think it would be helpful to include him. Any objection? deisenbe ( talk) 10:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
This is a monument to Powell the explorer, it has nothing to do with the Civil War. Carptrash ( talk) 15:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
listings such as this one.
I am opposed to using sites that are not specifically Union memorials. This is a memorial to a battle site, it is not a Union Civil War monuments or memorial. Trust me, if we are going to seriously work at this article we are going to have hundreds, maybe thousands of sites. We should be selective. Carptrash ( talk) 15:47, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln. I propose that every Lincoln monument must include some Civil War component. So statues such as The Young Lincoln would not qualify, Lincoln the Emancipator would. We needed to discuss Lincoln, Nebraska. The list is seemingly endless, including stuff such as Lincoln (car) and much more, but let us think and talk about it now. Carptrash ( talk) 16:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
that this statement:
that there are two articles devoted to that cause, which should be just one. My question here is, which is the better name?
Your input will be muchly appreciated. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 17:55, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Is anyone able to find out if the Sherman Building (Corpus Christi, Texas) was named after Union General Sherman please? Zigzig20s ( talk) 21:50, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Both were presidents with a strong connection to the Civil War. However ( opinion) every mention of them is not necessarily a Civil War memorial. To me, in a statue, if Lincoln has a beard it is arguably a CW memorial. If Grant is in a uniform, no problem. But I have seen a source that lists a "Young Lincoln" statue as a Civil War memorial and I am not buying it. So what about Lincoln, Nebraska? I say "NO." The Lincoln Memorial in Washington I am inclined to say "yes" because it has the Gettysburg Address carved on the wall behind the statue. With a typo, as I recall, but that is not a factor here. Let us not repeat the mistakes that our comrades at the Confederate List are making. The Garfield Momument in Washington has three allegorical figures, one being "Soldier" to commemorate Garfield's service as a soldier in the War. Is that enough? We have a relationship. let's talk. Carptrash ( talk) 22:03, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
So I think using Lincoln's beard as a deciding factor is a good start. That he needed to grow a beard to look Presidential was suggested to him by an 11 year old girl, whose advice he took. Somewhere there is a statue of him meeting the girl, but that happened on his way to Washington, so is pre-CW. I have seen the Kit Carson monument in Denver listed as a CW monument, but I have seen it and do not think it is a Civil War monument. With Grant, in a statue if he is in a uniform, that's good, but having a county named after him in Nebraska, which has counties named after a bunch of other Presidents, I don't think so. As far as the other article goes. as Dylan once said, "Most likely you go your way and I'll go mine." Or if you prefer Doris Day, "The future's not ours to see, que serra serra." Carptrash ( talk) 21:27, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
References
I am sorry, but I just could not help myself. Yes I know it needs removed, but darn I just cant help it. I do promiss not to do it anymore though :D Kevin "Hawk" Fisher ( talk) 15:14, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Are not usually listed as monuments & memorials. Only the List of Confederate monuments and memorials does this. The other over 400 Lists of monuments and memorials do not. The argument that "they do it there at the CSA list so we should here" is not compelling to me, given those realities. We do not need to push American exceptionalism here. I am inclined to remove these listings, but, we have a relationship, which means we talk about things. Carptrash ( talk) 17:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
I added missing monuments, but I did not think google was a good source for citations, perhaps I could get some help finding better sources. Thanks C. W. Gilmore ( talk) 22:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Does a street named "Union Street" count? What else could this street possibly be named for? Brandonrush Woo pig sooie! 01:10, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Can someone please add to the list the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall in Pittsburgh? This building and institution was originally built in honor of Civil War soldiers. Jmillerpgh ( talk) 00:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)