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I've routinely removed unnecessary unnecessary wikilinks for common words and for words that don't improve our understanding of the article, yet I often find the links quietly resubmitted. I've explained my changes numerous times in edit summaries, but I've also opened discussions here, here and here. There has never been any counter-discussion for why we need wikilinks for common words like "monkey", "plant", "weed", "rat", "scientist", etc. If a person doesn't know what a rat is, they're not likely to know what DNA is, or what the word "rudimentary" means. Rather than engage in fruitless long-term edit war, and before I bother the dispute resolution volunteers to weigh in, I'm again inviting discussion on the subject of why wikilinks for common words that do not enhance understanding of the article should be included. There seem to be fairly clear guidelines at WP:OVERLINK and at WP:MOS:TV. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I saw a request for a third opinion over at WP:3O, so here I am replying! Linked articles usually (well, ideally, anyway) provide additional context about the topic. There's not much about real fish or rats that relates to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and if I click fish I'll get information about fish, but it won't expand my knowledge about TMNT. So I haven't really learned anything new. Unless I didn't know what a fish was, but then I'd totally be doing something other than reading Wikipedia. :-) Xavexgoem ( talk) 22:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC) Now if it were a mutated tarsier...
I was going over some of the backstory we have in the Splinter section and in the Shredder section, when it became obvious that there are not only discrepancies between the two character bios, but also some speculation and fabrication. This is the series backstory as revealed thus far in the series:
When we pick up the story with the Turtles as teenagers, Shredder sees the Hamato clan crest on a shuriken and knows that Hamato is still alive.
I'm going to cut anything that doesn't match this history, unless other editors have better details. I'll wait a day or so. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 06:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm changing some of Rtkat3's edits for reasons I've already explained in my edit summaries when I first made the changes, and for reasons mentioned above in the backstory summary (see above). If it's still not clear why these changes are valid, I'll explain: I've changed Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki's names back to Splinter and Shredder for a few reasons: 1) For clarity. It's good to know that Hamato Yoshi is Splinter and Oroku Saki is Shredder. No problem. But in the series, the only time we've heard their full names is when Splinter or Shredder is discussing their history. 2) The series has not addressed whether Hamato is the family name, or Yoshi is the family name, so rather than assume that Hamato Yoshi is Splinter's pre-Anglicized name, why not refer to him as Splinter? 3) The sentence "Since then, Oroku Saki became Shredder and formed the Foot Clan" is entirely made up. The series does not, as far as I remember, describe a moment when goody-two-shoes Oroku Saki becomes the villainous Shredder. As far as we can infer, both men knew each other as Splinter and Shredder. In "New Friend, Old Enemy" Shredder tells Bradford that his old enemy, Hamato Yoshi, is still alive. Bradford promises "...we will find Splinter and his disciples, and destroy them." The point is: Splinter knew Shredder's nickname, and Shredder knew Splinter's. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
There have been talk page discussions regarding the level of detail and personal interpretation being documented in this article and in articles directly related to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 TV franchise. A concern is that as the series progresses, the addition of non-crucial information and cruft threatens to bloat the article and render it inaccessible to the layperson.
Is the information in this article currently presented in a way as to give readers a reasonable and clear overview of the subject matter? Is it consistent with Wikipedia's general article standards, as well as with specific expectations for articles about fiction? How can we improve the encyclopedic tone of the article? What improvements can you recommend, knowing that as the series enters its second season, the article will likely continue to grow? 02:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
In
this comment on my talk page,
BFlatley writes Why do you keep doing that? I was just trying to add full descriptions to the characters!
appearing confused about why the walls of text he keeps adding
here and
here and
here keep getting reverted. I will explain: the article as of
this revision is a ridiculous nightmare of in-universe cruft, because editors seem incapable of differentiating between providing a concise overview of a character and noting every single thing that ever happened to the character over the course of the entire series to date. This is not constructive. A character list per
MOS:TV should be focused on real-world context, and shouldn't just consist of the verbose rehashing of plot, plot, plot. This has been a major problem in this article, which is why
Drmies made a stunning and substantial cut in
these edits. Since then, editors keep expanding the descriptions, still without any understanding of what the goal of this character list should be. This is especially problematic when editors resort to hopping IPs and logging in (see links above) to resubmit cruft over and over, despite notices to seek consensus and to stop the disruptive editing. To reiterate, character lists should be concise and should contain real-world information, for instance, how the actor was cast, and how the characters were fleshed out, etc. Character lists should not be logorrheic, ponderous summaries of that character's plot arc. Not only does this present
copyright concerns in the form of being a "derivative work", it is also mostly redundant, because we wind up repeating the same plot ideas for each character. "Donnie rescues April." "April gets rescued by Donnie". "Splinter is Shredder's mortal enemy." "Shredder is Splinter's mortal enemy." Crap like that.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
20:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
In this edit I reverted to an older version of this article because the intermediate changes introduce excessive detail, speculation about species, redundant language, run-on-sentences, and other problematic grammar and typography that doesn't materially improve our understanding of the series. Some examples:
There's just too much of this. The summaries should be concise and shouldn't be bogged down in in-universe detail. Where's the real world information that MOS:TVCAST is looking for? Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I reordered the turtles in alphabetical order, not favourite characters. J 1982 ( talk) 10:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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I've routinely removed unnecessary unnecessary wikilinks for common words and for words that don't improve our understanding of the article, yet I often find the links quietly resubmitted. I've explained my changes numerous times in edit summaries, but I've also opened discussions here, here and here. There has never been any counter-discussion for why we need wikilinks for common words like "monkey", "plant", "weed", "rat", "scientist", etc. If a person doesn't know what a rat is, they're not likely to know what DNA is, or what the word "rudimentary" means. Rather than engage in fruitless long-term edit war, and before I bother the dispute resolution volunteers to weigh in, I'm again inviting discussion on the subject of why wikilinks for common words that do not enhance understanding of the article should be included. There seem to be fairly clear guidelines at WP:OVERLINK and at WP:MOS:TV. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I saw a request for a third opinion over at WP:3O, so here I am replying! Linked articles usually (well, ideally, anyway) provide additional context about the topic. There's not much about real fish or rats that relates to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and if I click fish I'll get information about fish, but it won't expand my knowledge about TMNT. So I haven't really learned anything new. Unless I didn't know what a fish was, but then I'd totally be doing something other than reading Wikipedia. :-) Xavexgoem ( talk) 22:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC) Now if it were a mutated tarsier...
I was going over some of the backstory we have in the Splinter section and in the Shredder section, when it became obvious that there are not only discrepancies between the two character bios, but also some speculation and fabrication. This is the series backstory as revealed thus far in the series:
When we pick up the story with the Turtles as teenagers, Shredder sees the Hamato clan crest on a shuriken and knows that Hamato is still alive.
I'm going to cut anything that doesn't match this history, unless other editors have better details. I'll wait a day or so. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 06:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm changing some of Rtkat3's edits for reasons I've already explained in my edit summaries when I first made the changes, and for reasons mentioned above in the backstory summary (see above). If it's still not clear why these changes are valid, I'll explain: I've changed Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki's names back to Splinter and Shredder for a few reasons: 1) For clarity. It's good to know that Hamato Yoshi is Splinter and Oroku Saki is Shredder. No problem. But in the series, the only time we've heard their full names is when Splinter or Shredder is discussing their history. 2) The series has not addressed whether Hamato is the family name, or Yoshi is the family name, so rather than assume that Hamato Yoshi is Splinter's pre-Anglicized name, why not refer to him as Splinter? 3) The sentence "Since then, Oroku Saki became Shredder and formed the Foot Clan" is entirely made up. The series does not, as far as I remember, describe a moment when goody-two-shoes Oroku Saki becomes the villainous Shredder. As far as we can infer, both men knew each other as Splinter and Shredder. In "New Friend, Old Enemy" Shredder tells Bradford that his old enemy, Hamato Yoshi, is still alive. Bradford promises "...we will find Splinter and his disciples, and destroy them." The point is: Splinter knew Shredder's nickname, and Shredder knew Splinter's. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 04:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
There have been talk page discussions regarding the level of detail and personal interpretation being documented in this article and in articles directly related to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 TV franchise. A concern is that as the series progresses, the addition of non-crucial information and cruft threatens to bloat the article and render it inaccessible to the layperson.
Is the information in this article currently presented in a way as to give readers a reasonable and clear overview of the subject matter? Is it consistent with Wikipedia's general article standards, as well as with specific expectations for articles about fiction? How can we improve the encyclopedic tone of the article? What improvements can you recommend, knowing that as the series enters its second season, the article will likely continue to grow? 02:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
In
this comment on my talk page,
BFlatley writes Why do you keep doing that? I was just trying to add full descriptions to the characters!
appearing confused about why the walls of text he keeps adding
here and
here and
here keep getting reverted. I will explain: the article as of
this revision is a ridiculous nightmare of in-universe cruft, because editors seem incapable of differentiating between providing a concise overview of a character and noting every single thing that ever happened to the character over the course of the entire series to date. This is not constructive. A character list per
MOS:TV should be focused on real-world context, and shouldn't just consist of the verbose rehashing of plot, plot, plot. This has been a major problem in this article, which is why
Drmies made a stunning and substantial cut in
these edits. Since then, editors keep expanding the descriptions, still without any understanding of what the goal of this character list should be. This is especially problematic when editors resort to hopping IPs and logging in (see links above) to resubmit cruft over and over, despite notices to seek consensus and to stop the disruptive editing. To reiterate, character lists should be concise and should contain real-world information, for instance, how the actor was cast, and how the characters were fleshed out, etc. Character lists should not be logorrheic, ponderous summaries of that character's plot arc. Not only does this present
copyright concerns in the form of being a "derivative work", it is also mostly redundant, because we wind up repeating the same plot ideas for each character. "Donnie rescues April." "April gets rescued by Donnie". "Splinter is Shredder's mortal enemy." "Shredder is Splinter's mortal enemy." Crap like that.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
20:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
In this edit I reverted to an older version of this article because the intermediate changes introduce excessive detail, speculation about species, redundant language, run-on-sentences, and other problematic grammar and typography that doesn't materially improve our understanding of the series. Some examples:
There's just too much of this. The summaries should be concise and shouldn't be bogged down in in-universe detail. Where's the real world information that MOS:TVCAST is looking for? Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 20:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I reordered the turtles in alphabetical order, not favourite characters. J 1982 ( talk) 10:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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