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As already discussed elsewhere, most of the Ranma character articles are potential merges into this article, because they do not demonstrate notability in reliable third party source .See WP:N (although Furinkan.com is a reliable source, it's still a fansite so is not an indicator of notability)
I've already merged Jusenkyo Guide, Tofu Ono and The golden pair because there clearly isn't enough material to account for notability outside of the series as they all have minor parts. Any more merges will be given the chance to be discussed before being made so articles are given a chance to be improved to show independant notability.
With merges, there is a likelyhood that the text will need to be cut down - the amount of text is not a reason to not merge. Excessive plot detail should be avoided where possible as the idea is to provide a summary of the character, not a history of all their actions. You can see this in the edit history on this page - text from the separate pages was copied to this page, and with initial reductions and minor rewriting. They were then further reduced over several more edits to reach a shorter, more "neutral" summary of the character.
The first merges I've proposed should be fairly simple to discuss:
Sasuke Sarugakure Reason: Minor anime-only character who could easily be summarized in a single paragraph. next to no chance of proving notability
Principal Kuno Reason: Minor character who could easily be summarized into a couple of paragraphs. Seems to have no lasting effect on the series. Low chance of proving notability
Nodoka Saotome Reason: Minor character in the anime, I'm genuinely unsure if this is different in the manga (I'm not far enough), although I can see she features more then the anime. Low chance of proving notability, but more likely then the other two.
If people can find examples that will prove their notability outside of fan sites and the manga/anime itself, then there is the possibility these articles can be saved, but they would need to be quite strong. Arguments like "I prefer separate articles" or "there is no reason to merge" are flawed and unlikely to prevent merges from taking place as they don't fix the legitimate reasons being given for merging. I believe a week should be enough to decide the fate of these articles but that is not set in stone and really depends on replys and attempts to improve the articles. However the quicker these are decided, the quicker we can move on to others. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 03:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
No objections or improvements, so I'll merge these soon. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 05:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm on vol29 now, so combined with reading the articles in question I'm looking to tackle - Shinnosuke (Ranma ½), Ryu Kumon, Hikaru Gosunkugi. Again, no lasting affect on the series,2 of them are limited to single storys across a handful of chapters, one only pops up in random chapters and often does very little. A week seems long enough. Once I finish the manga I'll be looking to do all the pages except Ranma, Ryoga and Akane unless something in the remaining volumes covince me otherwise.
Also 3 times stronger?.9 times as swift?Where the hell did you come with those calculations?Its known that Ryoga has higher strength feats than Ranma,but you also shown that when they grapple they were on equal footing or Ranma was winning.The only source you got was Ranma being unable to pull himself out of a golden bell.That was it,and everything else contradict it or shown Ranma as equal to Ryoga.How did 'grapple' someone on equal footing if you'r so much weaker?You don't. It makes much more sense that Ryoga got far better durability and weaker or equal strength. That would allow Ryoga to last longer than Ranma but allow Ranma to fight equally with Ryoga in strength.My suggest makes alot more sense than you proposal of Ryoga being three times stronger,unless you want ignore all the times Ranma got hit from Ryoga and keep going like nothing. If you remove 'the short fights' that involve Ryoga with a invincible power up,pure comedy scenario, and finally girl Ranma.You'll realized how biased you really are.Hell now that I check,You also even admit that Ryoga stat swing wildly.Yet you don't admit that Ranma could be the same if not even more so since he's the main character/resident butt monkey ?What about Ranma incident against Hawaiian zombies(classmates) that force him to almost lose against normal humans ?What about Akane hitting him in a serious situation that nearly killed him?What about him losing a card game when he was shown to be winning against his friends in the past and future?Contradiction happens.You have doublt standard toward Ranma and refuse to accept it.If you want to see my reasoning.Look at how 'determine' Ranma acts when preparing to fight Ryoga.(sleeping,relaxing,dodge training that's all?) Compare that to how determine he's against other people.I rest my case. 151.213.190.231 ( talk) 13:41, 8 July 2013 (UTC)Ryogaisnotamazing
I've finally gotten around to doing the previous "nominees"
The next ones proposed are:
Dandy Sephy ( talk) 18:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, three of the ones left over may have some sort of potential, while the other is just insanely referenced with primary sources. I'll leave this up for a while, and if nobody comes up with anything, I'll merge them. TTN ( talk) 17:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Since it apparently wasn't very clear what was being proposed here, we're talking about the pages for:
And again, I believe only Ranma's page has the potential to stand on it's own, but even it I would merge currently, just keeping the info that is secondarily sourced intact in the merge. Derekloffin ( talk) 02:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Ranma ½ articles converted to redirects
I feel that the articles are notable enough because Ranma was a successful series and that the merge templates should be removed. Or is this going to go into consensus? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
On September 1 a registered user added merge templates to Ranma Saotome, Akane Tendo, Nabiki Tendo, Ryoga Hibiki, and List of Ranma ½ characters without stating a reason in any of the discussion pages. If you wish to merge these pages please add a reason for it. 97.115.129.240 ( talk) 02:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
List of Ranma ½ characters describes the characters in Rumiko Takahashi's Ranma ½ including any characters that are notable within either the anime or the manga versions of the series. |
I am starting this discussion by presenting a version of the lead section. Unfortunately even this is an improvement over what is in place now. Feel free to make edits within the table above leaving your comments below. -- allen四 names 01:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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The lead describes Ranma using male pronouns even when in female form ("while hot water changes him back into a boy"). The Ranma-specific section uses careful phrasing to avoid using the pronoun "she". Other sections use "she" to describe Ranma in girl form: Ryoga "is pushed into a cursed spring by female Ranma (while chasing Genma and not looking where she was going)".
The latter is arguably more correct, but risks confusing readers who aren't used to pronouns changing like this.
Is there a Ranma-specific convention for this? 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 12:56, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I think that "she" is used for the female form, and "he" is used for the male form. David A ( talk) 17:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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As already discussed elsewhere, most of the Ranma character articles are potential merges into this article, because they do not demonstrate notability in reliable third party source .See WP:N (although Furinkan.com is a reliable source, it's still a fansite so is not an indicator of notability)
I've already merged Jusenkyo Guide, Tofu Ono and The golden pair because there clearly isn't enough material to account for notability outside of the series as they all have minor parts. Any more merges will be given the chance to be discussed before being made so articles are given a chance to be improved to show independant notability.
With merges, there is a likelyhood that the text will need to be cut down - the amount of text is not a reason to not merge. Excessive plot detail should be avoided where possible as the idea is to provide a summary of the character, not a history of all their actions. You can see this in the edit history on this page - text from the separate pages was copied to this page, and with initial reductions and minor rewriting. They were then further reduced over several more edits to reach a shorter, more "neutral" summary of the character.
The first merges I've proposed should be fairly simple to discuss:
Sasuke Sarugakure Reason: Minor anime-only character who could easily be summarized in a single paragraph. next to no chance of proving notability
Principal Kuno Reason: Minor character who could easily be summarized into a couple of paragraphs. Seems to have no lasting effect on the series. Low chance of proving notability
Nodoka Saotome Reason: Minor character in the anime, I'm genuinely unsure if this is different in the manga (I'm not far enough), although I can see she features more then the anime. Low chance of proving notability, but more likely then the other two.
If people can find examples that will prove their notability outside of fan sites and the manga/anime itself, then there is the possibility these articles can be saved, but they would need to be quite strong. Arguments like "I prefer separate articles" or "there is no reason to merge" are flawed and unlikely to prevent merges from taking place as they don't fix the legitimate reasons being given for merging. I believe a week should be enough to decide the fate of these articles but that is not set in stone and really depends on replys and attempts to improve the articles. However the quicker these are decided, the quicker we can move on to others. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 03:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
No objections or improvements, so I'll merge these soon. Dandy Sephy ( talk) 05:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm on vol29 now, so combined with reading the articles in question I'm looking to tackle - Shinnosuke (Ranma ½), Ryu Kumon, Hikaru Gosunkugi. Again, no lasting affect on the series,2 of them are limited to single storys across a handful of chapters, one only pops up in random chapters and often does very little. A week seems long enough. Once I finish the manga I'll be looking to do all the pages except Ranma, Ryoga and Akane unless something in the remaining volumes covince me otherwise.
Also 3 times stronger?.9 times as swift?Where the hell did you come with those calculations?Its known that Ryoga has higher strength feats than Ranma,but you also shown that when they grapple they were on equal footing or Ranma was winning.The only source you got was Ranma being unable to pull himself out of a golden bell.That was it,and everything else contradict it or shown Ranma as equal to Ryoga.How did 'grapple' someone on equal footing if you'r so much weaker?You don't. It makes much more sense that Ryoga got far better durability and weaker or equal strength. That would allow Ryoga to last longer than Ranma but allow Ranma to fight equally with Ryoga in strength.My suggest makes alot more sense than you proposal of Ryoga being three times stronger,unless you want ignore all the times Ranma got hit from Ryoga and keep going like nothing. If you remove 'the short fights' that involve Ryoga with a invincible power up,pure comedy scenario, and finally girl Ranma.You'll realized how biased you really are.Hell now that I check,You also even admit that Ryoga stat swing wildly.Yet you don't admit that Ranma could be the same if not even more so since he's the main character/resident butt monkey ?What about Ranma incident against Hawaiian zombies(classmates) that force him to almost lose against normal humans ?What about Akane hitting him in a serious situation that nearly killed him?What about him losing a card game when he was shown to be winning against his friends in the past and future?Contradiction happens.You have doublt standard toward Ranma and refuse to accept it.If you want to see my reasoning.Look at how 'determine' Ranma acts when preparing to fight Ryoga.(sleeping,relaxing,dodge training that's all?) Compare that to how determine he's against other people.I rest my case. 151.213.190.231 ( talk) 13:41, 8 July 2013 (UTC)Ryogaisnotamazing
I've finally gotten around to doing the previous "nominees"
The next ones proposed are:
Dandy Sephy ( talk) 18:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, three of the ones left over may have some sort of potential, while the other is just insanely referenced with primary sources. I'll leave this up for a while, and if nobody comes up with anything, I'll merge them. TTN ( talk) 17:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Since it apparently wasn't very clear what was being proposed here, we're talking about the pages for:
And again, I believe only Ranma's page has the potential to stand on it's own, but even it I would merge currently, just keeping the info that is secondarily sourced intact in the merge. Derekloffin ( talk) 02:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Ranma ½ articles converted to redirects
I feel that the articles are notable enough because Ranma was a successful series and that the merge templates should be removed. Or is this going to go into consensus? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
On September 1 a registered user added merge templates to Ranma Saotome, Akane Tendo, Nabiki Tendo, Ryoga Hibiki, and List of Ranma ½ characters without stating a reason in any of the discussion pages. If you wish to merge these pages please add a reason for it. 97.115.129.240 ( talk) 02:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
List of Ranma ½ characters describes the characters in Rumiko Takahashi's Ranma ½ including any characters that are notable within either the anime or the manga versions of the series. |
I am starting this discussion by presenting a version of the lead section. Unfortunately even this is an improvement over what is in place now. Feel free to make edits within the table above leaving your comments below. -- allen四 names 01:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 05:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The lead describes Ranma using male pronouns even when in female form ("while hot water changes him back into a boy"). The Ranma-specific section uses careful phrasing to avoid using the pronoun "she". Other sections use "she" to describe Ranma in girl form: Ryoga "is pushed into a cursed spring by female Ranma (while chasing Genma and not looking where she was going)".
The latter is arguably more correct, but risks confusing readers who aren't used to pronouns changing like this.
Is there a Ranma-specific convention for this? 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 12:56, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I think that "she" is used for the female form, and "he" is used for the male form. David A ( talk) 17:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)