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Based on its length alone I split this off from the list of notable tropical cyclones. It needs a lot of work however (as does that article). — jdorje ( talk) 07:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The current template has Iniki on top, though the Hurricane Pauline article shows the storm caused $7.5 billion, making it costlier than Iniki. Should that be changed? Hurricanehink ( talk) 02:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to be repeating myself on another page, but as this is the page dedicated to Pacific typhoons, I believe that Man-yi deserves mention here.
It is, as I said on
List of notable tropical cyclones, it hit Japan outside of its usual typhoon season (Sept/Oct). It is, according to 日本放送局 (Nihon-housou-kyoku (NHK)(Japan Broadcasting Network))'s weather report, the 'strongest typhoon to hit Japan in July since the end of World War 2'. After watching the news, and the results of the typhoon in Naha, Okinawa and the death toll in Kagoshima (although it is not very high at all), I feel it is a good candidate for this page.
Question: Would I add it to the 'Out of season' landfall (or whatever the title is - sorry)? Please give some advice.
Thank you.
lallous 20:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This article now has 220 numbered inline cites and uses a total of 113 different sources. However, it has a new problem: size. It is 72 kilobytes in size, which is quite hefty for an incomplete list. Hence I think splitting it is a legitimate line of discussion.
When expanding this list I especially created analogous sections to those in the Atlantic list. Hence the existence of the naming, seasonal activity, and etc sections. The most reasonable sections to be split would be those about seasonal records, perhaps to list of Pacific hurricane seasons. A similar discussion was done ages ago about adding the records to the Atlantic seasons list. Also, since there's no real point in having both lists cover different things, so this probably applies to list of Atlantic hurricanes as well.
But does anyone have alternative sections to split, or should size not be a concern as this is a list? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any thoughts on if we should do the same process we did to List of Atlantic hurricanes? It'd become a dab with the various EPAC-centric lists. The only subjects left would be deadliest, costliest, the season activity, duration records, most intense, and the worldwide records. The season activity could be put in List of Pacific hurricane seasons, and the worldwide records are (or should already be) on List of tropical cyclone records. I believe the duration records is a bit trivial, and we can mention the record and stuff those storms' articles (as John already has it). The most intense is also a bit trivial, IMO. The strongest in each month is per HURDAT, so perhaps should be deleted. That leaves just deadliest and costliest. I have a problem with both of them, since we don't have a good source to back up either of them. Not to mention, I believe both have templates. So, we should be good to go in converting this to the AHS page. All we'd have to do is move the season activity and worldwide records, and we should be good. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:16, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
In order to be upgraded to B class, I think some of the article below likely needs to be included in the lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the article below. Thegreatdr ( talk) 18:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there anything actually worth keeping in this article. Jason Rees ( talk) 01:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Now that we're approaching 2014, should this be merged with Pacific hurricane? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:55, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I think I have noticed a small issue in the "Known storms causing $100 million (2009 USD) or more in damages" section. 1997's Hurricane Pauline is listed twice in that table, and the damage totals are different for each listing, too. Does anyone know which one of the damage total is the correct one for Pauline? 68.113.150.172 ( talk) 04:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Anyone object to me eliminating this section? These issues arise:
Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I'd just delete the article, tbh. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 21:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
In the article, it is stated that "no known tropical cyclone forming in the central north Pacific lasted for longer than 14 days without crossing into another basin; the tropical cyclone forming in the central Pacific that spent the most time there was 1988's Hurricane Uleki at 11.5 days from formation to crossing the dateline." However, Ana has surpassed Uleki by lasting for 12.5 days (Advisory #51 was issued an hour ago). Should this be added to the article? -- Weatherlover819 ( talk) 09:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the table accordingly, and brought one or two more numbers in accordance with the content of the articles on the various pacific hurricane seasons. Redav ( talk) 02:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Im not sure its wise to include a list on WPAC to CPAC tropical cyclones, when we have ex-tropical cyclones regularly making the crossing. Even if it is kept though I would object to Omeka being on the list since it wasnt considered tropical until after it had crossed the dateline in BT. Jason Rees ( talk) 16:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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I know that we tend to use pressure to rank storms by strength, but both the CPHC and NHC use winds to rank storm strength, and I feel like we should respect that in this basin. In particular, this would cause John to be listed as the strongest in August rather than Ioke. -- Jasper Deng (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, I still think that it would be better to add a list instead of substitute the current one. ABC paulista ( talk) 01:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Considering how there are often no pressure readings given for Pacific hurricanes in previous years, solely using pressure as a basis to compare the storms' intensities would inaccurately portray that most of the strongest storms occurred in modern times. In fact, all 3 storms that made their way into the current list did so by virtue of being the only storm active in that month. Furthermore, it is stated explicitly in the section: "Intensity is measured solely by central pressure unless the pressure is not known, in which case intensity is measured by maximum sustained winds." I would interpret it as requiring a comparison of storms' wind speeds to rank their relative strengths if one of the storms did not have a pressure, instead of ignoring that storm. But sure, creating a separate list would be acceptable as well. Qscdefb99 ( talk) 10:28, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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For the sake of my feeble ape mind not believing that this endeavor was a total waste, I shall relay to you poor wikipedians an incident which has taken place on this very article, not one hour ago as my time of writing.
I've been following these pacific hurricanes for a good while now, thinking "oh my! This season has been quite active of late! I wonder how this compares to other seasons in how soon new hurricanes formed" That, dear friends, was my very first mistake.
My second mistake immediately followed; rather than simply wondering aloud and never considering the thought again, or perhaps searching the answer up on google and giving up when I couldn't find the answer, I instead noticed that there was no documentation whatsoever on this, and endeavored to find it myself.
what followed was a frantic carpal-tunnel infused perusal through the ever-anal annals of wikipedia's pacific hurricanes portal, searching all hurricanes from the last SEVENTY (70) years for an answer. The first couple were easy: The earliest hurricane to form was Pali in 2016, followed closely by Winona in 1989, and the earliest second was Hali in 1992, followed likewise by Bud in 2012.
The rest were much more of a hodgepodge - there was one stalwart hurricane Four in 1956, a nearly unquantifiable amount from 1984, 1985, and 1992, and a 6th, 10th, and 13th from 1970 that I later had to rewrite once I realized I'd been counting a tropical depression as a "storm", oh woe is me!
But that was not the only woe I was to find. No, indeed, as I had finished compiling the odd storm from 2012, 2014, 2018 - the single E from 2021 that remained, all of the storms from 1974 and 1978, gone back around to make sure I got all the dates right, and properly linked up (with in-section links no less!) I had no idea what was in store for me. Indeed, as I was about to press the terrifying "show preview" button I am still afraid to even gaze upon now lest it enact its revenge once again, I simultaneously found myself hitting the backspace on my computer by mistake!
Thrown forwards and backwards in the textual space-time continuum at the same time, this page I had spent the last seven hours compiling full-time found itself immediately torn apart like some internet version of being tossed into black hole, thrown into in a place beyond time, beyond space entirely: where it ended up, I know not, nor does science as a whole. What I do know, however, is that it is no longer within this corporeal realm.
I frantically checked every version - I had saved gratuitously, of course. The caches had vamoosed! absconded! hightailed out of town! I found myself staring into the very article I had been staring at for the last seven hours, something inscrutable missing, the memories of alphebatized lists already fading quickly from mind as in a dream after waking up.
Was I merely dreaming? Would it have been better if I had been? I do not know the answer, nor am I sure I want to. What I do know is that there now exists a timeline, not too distant from our own, in which there is now a list of the earliest hurricanes to form in the basin over the last eighty-some-odd years, preserved for generations to come, edited by prospective amateur hurricaneologists excitedly exclaiming "Victor is the earliest storm to form in this basin since 1992!" as they submit another typo-ridden, citation-famished paragraph of text to the newest seasonal article. However, this is not the timeline we live in, and that, my friends...
makes
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There are many notable tropical cyclones from there like Ioke 2006 and Paka 1997. and Olivia should be counted as its remants reformed ad a WPAC Depression — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Based on its length alone I split this off from the list of notable tropical cyclones. It needs a lot of work however (as does that article). — jdorje ( talk) 07:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The current template has Iniki on top, though the Hurricane Pauline article shows the storm caused $7.5 billion, making it costlier than Iniki. Should that be changed? Hurricanehink ( talk) 02:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to be repeating myself on another page, but as this is the page dedicated to Pacific typhoons, I believe that Man-yi deserves mention here.
It is, as I said on
List of notable tropical cyclones, it hit Japan outside of its usual typhoon season (Sept/Oct). It is, according to 日本放送局 (Nihon-housou-kyoku (NHK)(Japan Broadcasting Network))'s weather report, the 'strongest typhoon to hit Japan in July since the end of World War 2'. After watching the news, and the results of the typhoon in Naha, Okinawa and the death toll in Kagoshima (although it is not very high at all), I feel it is a good candidate for this page.
Question: Would I add it to the 'Out of season' landfall (or whatever the title is - sorry)? Please give some advice.
Thank you.
lallous 20:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This article now has 220 numbered inline cites and uses a total of 113 different sources. However, it has a new problem: size. It is 72 kilobytes in size, which is quite hefty for an incomplete list. Hence I think splitting it is a legitimate line of discussion.
When expanding this list I especially created analogous sections to those in the Atlantic list. Hence the existence of the naming, seasonal activity, and etc sections. The most reasonable sections to be split would be those about seasonal records, perhaps to list of Pacific hurricane seasons. A similar discussion was done ages ago about adding the records to the Atlantic seasons list. Also, since there's no real point in having both lists cover different things, so this probably applies to list of Atlantic hurricanes as well.
But does anyone have alternative sections to split, or should size not be a concern as this is a list? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have any thoughts on if we should do the same process we did to List of Atlantic hurricanes? It'd become a dab with the various EPAC-centric lists. The only subjects left would be deadliest, costliest, the season activity, duration records, most intense, and the worldwide records. The season activity could be put in List of Pacific hurricane seasons, and the worldwide records are (or should already be) on List of tropical cyclone records. I believe the duration records is a bit trivial, and we can mention the record and stuff those storms' articles (as John already has it). The most intense is also a bit trivial, IMO. The strongest in each month is per HURDAT, so perhaps should be deleted. That leaves just deadliest and costliest. I have a problem with both of them, since we don't have a good source to back up either of them. Not to mention, I believe both have templates. So, we should be good to go in converting this to the AHS page. All we'd have to do is move the season activity and worldwide records, and we should be good. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:16, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
In order to be upgraded to B class, I think some of the article below likely needs to be included in the lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the article below. Thegreatdr ( talk) 18:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Is there anything actually worth keeping in this article. Jason Rees ( talk) 01:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Now that we're approaching 2014, should this be merged with Pacific hurricane? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:55, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I think I have noticed a small issue in the "Known storms causing $100 million (2009 USD) or more in damages" section. 1997's Hurricane Pauline is listed twice in that table, and the damage totals are different for each listing, too. Does anyone know which one of the damage total is the correct one for Pauline? 68.113.150.172 ( talk) 04:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Anyone object to me eliminating this section? These issues arise:
Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I'd just delete the article, tbh. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 21:55, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
In the article, it is stated that "no known tropical cyclone forming in the central north Pacific lasted for longer than 14 days without crossing into another basin; the tropical cyclone forming in the central Pacific that spent the most time there was 1988's Hurricane Uleki at 11.5 days from formation to crossing the dateline." However, Ana has surpassed Uleki by lasting for 12.5 days (Advisory #51 was issued an hour ago). Should this be added to the article? -- Weatherlover819 ( talk) 09:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I have changed the table accordingly, and brought one or two more numbers in accordance with the content of the articles on the various pacific hurricane seasons. Redav ( talk) 02:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Im not sure its wise to include a list on WPAC to CPAC tropical cyclones, when we have ex-tropical cyclones regularly making the crossing. Even if it is kept though I would object to Omeka being on the list since it wasnt considered tropical until after it had crossed the dateline in BT. Jason Rees ( talk) 16:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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I know that we tend to use pressure to rank storms by strength, but both the CPHC and NHC use winds to rank storm strength, and I feel like we should respect that in this basin. In particular, this would cause John to be listed as the strongest in August rather than Ioke. -- Jasper Deng (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, I still think that it would be better to add a list instead of substitute the current one. ABC paulista ( talk) 01:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Considering how there are often no pressure readings given for Pacific hurricanes in previous years, solely using pressure as a basis to compare the storms' intensities would inaccurately portray that most of the strongest storms occurred in modern times. In fact, all 3 storms that made their way into the current list did so by virtue of being the only storm active in that month. Furthermore, it is stated explicitly in the section: "Intensity is measured solely by central pressure unless the pressure is not known, in which case intensity is measured by maximum sustained winds." I would interpret it as requiring a comparison of storms' wind speeds to rank their relative strengths if one of the storms did not have a pressure, instead of ignoring that storm. But sure, creating a separate list would be acceptable as well. Qscdefb99 ( talk) 10:28, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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I'm not usually one to make this sort of post - trust me, look through my entire 8-year editing history and you will find nothing of the sort - and you may just find it a more worthwhile endeavor than the experience I just went through.
For the sake of my feeble ape mind not believing that this endeavor was a total waste, I shall relay to you poor wikipedians an incident which has taken place on this very article, not one hour ago as my time of writing.
I've been following these pacific hurricanes for a good while now, thinking "oh my! This season has been quite active of late! I wonder how this compares to other seasons in how soon new hurricanes formed" That, dear friends, was my very first mistake.
My second mistake immediately followed; rather than simply wondering aloud and never considering the thought again, or perhaps searching the answer up on google and giving up when I couldn't find the answer, I instead noticed that there was no documentation whatsoever on this, and endeavored to find it myself.
what followed was a frantic carpal-tunnel infused perusal through the ever-anal annals of wikipedia's pacific hurricanes portal, searching all hurricanes from the last SEVENTY (70) years for an answer. The first couple were easy: The earliest hurricane to form was Pali in 2016, followed closely by Winona in 1989, and the earliest second was Hali in 1992, followed likewise by Bud in 2012.
The rest were much more of a hodgepodge - there was one stalwart hurricane Four in 1956, a nearly unquantifiable amount from 1984, 1985, and 1992, and a 6th, 10th, and 13th from 1970 that I later had to rewrite once I realized I'd been counting a tropical depression as a "storm", oh woe is me!
But that was not the only woe I was to find. No, indeed, as I had finished compiling the odd storm from 2012, 2014, 2018 - the single E from 2021 that remained, all of the storms from 1974 and 1978, gone back around to make sure I got all the dates right, and properly linked up (with in-section links no less!) I had no idea what was in store for me. Indeed, as I was about to press the terrifying "show preview" button I am still afraid to even gaze upon now lest it enact its revenge once again, I simultaneously found myself hitting the backspace on my computer by mistake!
Thrown forwards and backwards in the textual space-time continuum at the same time, this page I had spent the last seven hours compiling full-time found itself immediately torn apart like some internet version of being tossed into black hole, thrown into in a place beyond time, beyond space entirely: where it ended up, I know not, nor does science as a whole. What I do know, however, is that it is no longer within this corporeal realm.
I frantically checked every version - I had saved gratuitously, of course. The caches had vamoosed! absconded! hightailed out of town! I found myself staring into the very article I had been staring at for the last seven hours, something inscrutable missing, the memories of alphebatized lists already fading quickly from mind as in a dream after waking up.
Was I merely dreaming? Would it have been better if I had been? I do not know the answer, nor am I sure I want to. What I do know is that there now exists a timeline, not too distant from our own, in which there is now a list of the earliest hurricanes to form in the basin over the last eighty-some-odd years, preserved for generations to come, edited by prospective amateur hurricaneologists excitedly exclaiming "Victor is the earliest storm to form in this basin since 1992!" as they submit another typo-ridden, citation-famished paragraph of text to the newest seasonal article. However, this is not the timeline we live in, and that, my friends...
makes
me
mad.
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talk)
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There are many notable tropical cyclones from there like Ioke 2006 and Paka 1997. and Olivia should be counted as its remants reformed ad a WPAC Depression — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)