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This page lists a population of 2.9+ million, but the page on Santo Domingo says "Its metropolitan population was 2,084,852 in 2003, and estimated at 2,253,437 in 2006". Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonlove2006 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
The list contains cities from Central and South Americas. Those are not North American cities. Should be List of Americas cities by population. preceding unsigned comment by 205.151.116.140 at 04:45, 26 August 2011
There are only two continents in the Americas: North America and South America. There is no continent called Central America; it is simply a region of North America (and, yes, that includes Cuba). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.105.208 ( talk) 02:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
the CIA factbook says "SANTO DOMINGO (capital) 2.138 million (2009)" Jonlove2006 ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
66.203.207.66 ( talk) 19:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)Vancouver, Canada is missing.
Stats Canada indicates the population of Vancouver is 2,135,201 - http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=POPC&Code1=0973&Geo2=PR&Code2=59&Data=Count&SearchText=vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1 and Vancouver Census Metropolitan Area as 2,313,328 - http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=933&Geo2=PR&Code2=59&Data=Count&SearchText=vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1
Seems like it should be on the list 99.233.128.211 ( talk) 15:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)Scott
Is this the list of "municipalities", "Urban areas", or "Metropolitan areas"? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_the_100_largest_cities_in_Canada_by_population - As a municipality, Vancouver is fairly small, while as an urban area, what most Canadians think about our cities, is the third largest.
As with Calgary, there seems to be an error on what constitutes the numbers. If you specify the municipal city then Calgary's number should be much smaller and less then Vancouver. Now by looking at Montreal and Toronto, these should be the figures. Vancouver is 2,3 million metro area as Montreal is a 4.5 million metro area. I suggest that the city of Vancouver stats be verified from correct sources, meaning governments making proper census.
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....Not comparing apples with apples.......These are urban or metropolitan areas under one name... you have to include greater Vancouver in such a list, metro Winnipeg, Québec City, and Hamilton.
Vancouver urban 2.1 million Vancouver metro 2.3 million
Winnipeg urban 671,000 Winnipeg metro 730,000
Québec urban 696,000 Québec metro 765,000
Hamilton urban 670,000 Hamilton metro 721,000
Ignoring these larger populations in the greater city areas because of nomenclature is just an exercise in semantics and does not reflect reality.....These cities obviously belong on the list.
Shaun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.156.42.146 ( talk) 23:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
So Vancouver is in the table but not in the list of pictures. Which should it be? In or out? MatttK ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The article clearly states it focuses on cities proper, so the populations it lists are of municipalities, not metro areas. The population figures in the chart reflect this. For instance, Toronto's metro population as of the 2011 census is 5,583,064, but the city's population is only 2.7 million. There is a page for metro's, and Vancouver does not make the top 50 in that either. 142.161.57.87 ( talk) 06:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Vancouver, British Columbia is Canada's third largest city. Larger than Calgary but it is no where on the list. Can someone please correct this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.221.20 ( talk) 02:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay folks. It appears someone before my time made the magic arbitrary population of 600,000 (or 620,000) the minimum threshold for inclusion on this list. Well the City of Vancouver (yes city, not urban area/population centre, not metro area) now has a population over 600,000 and is now on this list. Other cities within the US and Mexico over the 600,000 threshold that were missing are now also on this list. Let's move on. I'm inclined to make the minimum threshold for this list 500,000, which is a more logical milestone (being half a million) than the current, less logical 600,000. Hwy43 ( talk) 06:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Further to this edit summary, where we are relying on estimates instead of actual census counts, I suggest we do our best to avoid estimates published by the cities themselves and instead rely on estimates published by third parties such as federal and provincial/state government departments and statistical agencies. The cities themselves may publish the most aggressive among a range of estimate scenarios and could therefore be biased and favourable population estimates for economic development, political and other purposes. Hwy43 ( talk) 18:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the projections for the other countries you mentioned. Are the projections updated annually, or are they stale (e.g., prepared in 2010, not in 2014)? As you may know, the adage in population forecasts and projections are they are out of date the moment they are released. The more long in he tooth they are, the less reliable they are, so annually updated estimates would be preferred first over something published a few years ago.
Anticipating a question about Winnipeg, I researched alternate sources for it last night. I found this published by the Government of Manitoba. The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority portion is at the end of the report, though it has been parsed out into a separate PDF here. Problem is there are at least three other municipalities included in the projections for the Winnipeg RHA and then the balance is disaggregated into portions of the city.
I'll take a peek at the Peel Data Centre source an get back to you later today when I have a few more spare minutes. Hwy43 ( talk) 17:22, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The projections are not updated annually, although some were more recently published than others. I've only used them in cases where annual population estimates are not available – very few countries report annual estimates at the municipal level. The biggest issue is Mexico, whose projections were done back in 2010 and AFAIK have not yet been updated to reflect the results of the 2015 population survey. (Also I don't know when and how Guatemala's projections were done.)
A list that's both up-to-date-ish and perfectly synchronized is impossible (Cuba only publishes end-of-year estimates of municipal populations and Albertan municipal censuses use April 1 as their reference point) but if we continue to allow estimates from different years to be mixed like we have in the past, IMO we're only introducing systematic bias into the rankings. I could be updating 2017 Mexican population projections on January 1, 2017, while 2016 estimates for US cities don't come out till May 2017. If I did that, I'd be systematically inflating the population of Mexican cities, and this would distort the rankings especially in the lower half of the list. (Queretaro jumps two spots in the rankings if I use its 2016 projection right now, and would pass Edmonton as well when I update it again in 2017 before Edmonton runs its census.) I don't think that's acceptable from an NPOV standpoint. It's not a minor issue either – the US and Mexico account for 75% of the cities on the list. Just because nobody has cared enough about this page in the past to bring up issues like this doesn't make them go away: "lies, damned lies, and statistics" was said over a century ago. Cobblet ( talk) 19:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
This article should not be perpetuating crystal ball visions of the future from a two to a few years ago, with the projected or forecasted populations for last year given the same weight and credibility as population estimates for the same year. All projected and forecasted populations should be removed in my opinion unless there is consensus otherwise to include them. As for reconciling latest census counts with estimates, that is another issue that can be addressed by including the most recent of both in the table.
You are correct that publishing a list that is as up-to-date and synchronized is not possible. It is what it is, and has not been a controversial issue in the history of this article. Let's not try to bandage that fact with fitting square pegs into round holes.
As a tangential point of order, Alberta municipalities have a window to conduct a municipal census anytime between April 1 and June 30. You must have been referring to the table at Alberta municipal censuses, 2016 where the four known municipal census dates are all April 1 by coincidence (unless exceptions are granted by the minister). Look at Alberta municipal censuses, 2015 that has the census dates for all municipalities that reported (including four that had exceptions). Hwy43 ( talk) 05:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
At this time I don't know if we are going to come to a resolution on the usage of projections/forecasts. It will take some more churning, and we may need to seek a RfC to flesh that out further as no one else is piping up.
However, I propose revisiting the table in this article as it relates to the latest census counts and population estimates in the meantime. I suggest doing away with the rank column due to SYNTH. This truly only should be included if all countries administered their censuses or intercensal estimates on the same years, using the same methodologies, the same reference days if we want to get really granular, etc. Let the readers form their own conclusions using the sortable fields. Hwy43 ( talk) 06:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
City | Country | Image | Latest census population |
Census year |
Latest population estimate |
Estimate year |
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Mexico City | Mexico | 8,851,080 | 2010 | 8,854,600 | 2015 | |
New York City | United States | 8,175,133 | 2010 | 8,550,405 | 2015 | |
Los Angeles | United States | 3,792,621 | 2010 | 3,971,883 | 2015 | |
Toronto | Canada | 2,615,060 | 2011 | 2,826,498 | 2015 |
This is an inventory of discrepancies that need to be reconciled. I'll note and explain them here by country. Once done, I'll spend some time assisting in reconciling these, but if others are interested in the meantime, by all means please assist. Cheers, Hwy43 ( talk) 04:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The references in support of Santiago de Cuba and Havana are dead. [www.citypopulation.de] is quite helpful in compiling and publishing latest city populations from censuses, estimates, etc. all in one place. Its page for Cuba shows a 2015 estimate of 433,527 for Santiago de Cuba and 2,125,320 for Havana. The source is a population estimate with the reference date of December 31, 2015 published by Cuba's Oficina Nacional de Estadísticas. Unfortunately no link is provided to take us to the source. On the other hand, this article is reporting 510,665 and 2,117,625 respectively. There are discrepancies for both, but it is much more significant for Santiago de Cuba, which is nearly 20% higher than 433,527. Hwy43 ( talk) 04:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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Why does Philadelphia get to have a panorama as it's image in this list when every other city gets a small rectangular image. It's messing up the whole table >:(
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There are a whole lot of missing cities like Panama City, San Jose (Costa Rica), and Port-au-Prince. Is somebody gonna do something about that? Hfjhjoiijklij2 ( talk) 23:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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This page lists a population of 2.9+ million, but the page on Santo Domingo says "Its metropolitan population was 2,084,852 in 2003, and estimated at 2,253,437 in 2006". Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonlove2006 ( talk • contribs) 02:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
The list contains cities from Central and South Americas. Those are not North American cities. Should be List of Americas cities by population. preceding unsigned comment by 205.151.116.140 at 04:45, 26 August 2011
There are only two continents in the Americas: North America and South America. There is no continent called Central America; it is simply a region of North America (and, yes, that includes Cuba). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.105.208 ( talk) 02:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
the CIA factbook says "SANTO DOMINGO (capital) 2.138 million (2009)" Jonlove2006 ( talk) 02:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
66.203.207.66 ( talk) 19:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)Vancouver, Canada is missing.
Stats Canada indicates the population of Vancouver is 2,135,201 - http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=POPC&Code1=0973&Geo2=PR&Code2=59&Data=Count&SearchText=vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1 and Vancouver Census Metropolitan Area as 2,313,328 - http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement/2011/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMA&Code1=933&Geo2=PR&Code2=59&Data=Count&SearchText=vancouver&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&Custom=&TABID=1
Seems like it should be on the list 99.233.128.211 ( talk) 15:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)Scott
Is this the list of "municipalities", "Urban areas", or "Metropolitan areas"? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_the_100_largest_cities_in_Canada_by_population - As a municipality, Vancouver is fairly small, while as an urban area, what most Canadians think about our cities, is the third largest.
As with Calgary, there seems to be an error on what constitutes the numbers. If you specify the municipal city then Calgary's number should be much smaller and less then Vancouver. Now by looking at Montreal and Toronto, these should be the figures. Vancouver is 2,3 million metro area as Montreal is a 4.5 million metro area. I suggest that the city of Vancouver stats be verified from correct sources, meaning governments making proper census.
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....Not comparing apples with apples.......These are urban or metropolitan areas under one name... you have to include greater Vancouver in such a list, metro Winnipeg, Québec City, and Hamilton.
Vancouver urban 2.1 million Vancouver metro 2.3 million
Winnipeg urban 671,000 Winnipeg metro 730,000
Québec urban 696,000 Québec metro 765,000
Hamilton urban 670,000 Hamilton metro 721,000
Ignoring these larger populations in the greater city areas because of nomenclature is just an exercise in semantics and does not reflect reality.....These cities obviously belong on the list.
Shaun — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.156.42.146 ( talk) 23:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
So Vancouver is in the table but not in the list of pictures. Which should it be? In or out? MatttK ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The article clearly states it focuses on cities proper, so the populations it lists are of municipalities, not metro areas. The population figures in the chart reflect this. For instance, Toronto's metro population as of the 2011 census is 5,583,064, but the city's population is only 2.7 million. There is a page for metro's, and Vancouver does not make the top 50 in that either. 142.161.57.87 ( talk) 06:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Vancouver, British Columbia is Canada's third largest city. Larger than Calgary but it is no where on the list. Can someone please correct this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.221.20 ( talk) 02:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay folks. It appears someone before my time made the magic arbitrary population of 600,000 (or 620,000) the minimum threshold for inclusion on this list. Well the City of Vancouver (yes city, not urban area/population centre, not metro area) now has a population over 600,000 and is now on this list. Other cities within the US and Mexico over the 600,000 threshold that were missing are now also on this list. Let's move on. I'm inclined to make the minimum threshold for this list 500,000, which is a more logical milestone (being half a million) than the current, less logical 600,000. Hwy43 ( talk) 06:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Further to this edit summary, where we are relying on estimates instead of actual census counts, I suggest we do our best to avoid estimates published by the cities themselves and instead rely on estimates published by third parties such as federal and provincial/state government departments and statistical agencies. The cities themselves may publish the most aggressive among a range of estimate scenarios and could therefore be biased and favourable population estimates for economic development, political and other purposes. Hwy43 ( talk) 18:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the projections for the other countries you mentioned. Are the projections updated annually, or are they stale (e.g., prepared in 2010, not in 2014)? As you may know, the adage in population forecasts and projections are they are out of date the moment they are released. The more long in he tooth they are, the less reliable they are, so annually updated estimates would be preferred first over something published a few years ago.
Anticipating a question about Winnipeg, I researched alternate sources for it last night. I found this published by the Government of Manitoba. The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority portion is at the end of the report, though it has been parsed out into a separate PDF here. Problem is there are at least three other municipalities included in the projections for the Winnipeg RHA and then the balance is disaggregated into portions of the city.
I'll take a peek at the Peel Data Centre source an get back to you later today when I have a few more spare minutes. Hwy43 ( talk) 17:22, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The projections are not updated annually, although some were more recently published than others. I've only used them in cases where annual population estimates are not available – very few countries report annual estimates at the municipal level. The biggest issue is Mexico, whose projections were done back in 2010 and AFAIK have not yet been updated to reflect the results of the 2015 population survey. (Also I don't know when and how Guatemala's projections were done.)
A list that's both up-to-date-ish and perfectly synchronized is impossible (Cuba only publishes end-of-year estimates of municipal populations and Albertan municipal censuses use April 1 as their reference point) but if we continue to allow estimates from different years to be mixed like we have in the past, IMO we're only introducing systematic bias into the rankings. I could be updating 2017 Mexican population projections on January 1, 2017, while 2016 estimates for US cities don't come out till May 2017. If I did that, I'd be systematically inflating the population of Mexican cities, and this would distort the rankings especially in the lower half of the list. (Queretaro jumps two spots in the rankings if I use its 2016 projection right now, and would pass Edmonton as well when I update it again in 2017 before Edmonton runs its census.) I don't think that's acceptable from an NPOV standpoint. It's not a minor issue either – the US and Mexico account for 75% of the cities on the list. Just because nobody has cared enough about this page in the past to bring up issues like this doesn't make them go away: "lies, damned lies, and statistics" was said over a century ago. Cobblet ( talk) 19:20, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
This article should not be perpetuating crystal ball visions of the future from a two to a few years ago, with the projected or forecasted populations for last year given the same weight and credibility as population estimates for the same year. All projected and forecasted populations should be removed in my opinion unless there is consensus otherwise to include them. As for reconciling latest census counts with estimates, that is another issue that can be addressed by including the most recent of both in the table.
You are correct that publishing a list that is as up-to-date and synchronized is not possible. It is what it is, and has not been a controversial issue in the history of this article. Let's not try to bandage that fact with fitting square pegs into round holes.
As a tangential point of order, Alberta municipalities have a window to conduct a municipal census anytime between April 1 and June 30. You must have been referring to the table at Alberta municipal censuses, 2016 where the four known municipal census dates are all April 1 by coincidence (unless exceptions are granted by the minister). Look at Alberta municipal censuses, 2015 that has the census dates for all municipalities that reported (including four that had exceptions). Hwy43 ( talk) 05:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
At this time I don't know if we are going to come to a resolution on the usage of projections/forecasts. It will take some more churning, and we may need to seek a RfC to flesh that out further as no one else is piping up.
However, I propose revisiting the table in this article as it relates to the latest census counts and population estimates in the meantime. I suggest doing away with the rank column due to SYNTH. This truly only should be included if all countries administered their censuses or intercensal estimates on the same years, using the same methodologies, the same reference days if we want to get really granular, etc. Let the readers form their own conclusions using the sortable fields. Hwy43 ( talk) 06:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
City | Country | Image | Latest census population |
Census year |
Latest population estimate |
Estimate year |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Mexico City | Mexico | 8,851,080 | 2010 | 8,854,600 | 2015 | |
New York City | United States | 8,175,133 | 2010 | 8,550,405 | 2015 | |
Los Angeles | United States | 3,792,621 | 2010 | 3,971,883 | 2015 | |
Toronto | Canada | 2,615,060 | 2011 | 2,826,498 | 2015 |
This is an inventory of discrepancies that need to be reconciled. I'll note and explain them here by country. Once done, I'll spend some time assisting in reconciling these, but if others are interested in the meantime, by all means please assist. Cheers, Hwy43 ( talk) 04:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
The references in support of Santiago de Cuba and Havana are dead. [www.citypopulation.de] is quite helpful in compiling and publishing latest city populations from censuses, estimates, etc. all in one place. Its page for Cuba shows a 2015 estimate of 433,527 for Santiago de Cuba and 2,125,320 for Havana. The source is a population estimate with the reference date of December 31, 2015 published by Cuba's Oficina Nacional de Estadísticas. Unfortunately no link is provided to take us to the source. On the other hand, this article is reporting 510,665 and 2,117,625 respectively. There are discrepancies for both, but it is much more significant for Santiago de Cuba, which is nearly 20% higher than 433,527. Hwy43 ( talk) 04:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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Why does Philadelphia get to have a panorama as it's image in this list when every other city gets a small rectangular image. It's messing up the whole table >:(
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All the city names seem to have been changed to place name + “City” 73.141.170.254 ( talk) 16:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
There are a whole lot of missing cities like Panama City, San Jose (Costa Rica), and Port-au-Prince. Is somebody gonna do something about that? Hfjhjoiijklij2 ( talk) 23:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)