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Hey, @ Favre1fan93 and Richiekim: I found reliable sources for white Vision's official name being "The Vision", the first one being the end credits [1] and the second one being an interview with Bettany. [2] so I added it back to WandaVision. But should we list them together here? Should it be "Vision / The Vision" together, or should we keep "Vision" under "Introduced in the Infinity Saga" and place "The Vision" under "Introduced in WandaVision"? — El Millo ( talk) 00:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
References
@ Facu-el Millo:, Howard Stark didn't appear in the series. It's a fact. This reliable source has not provided any timecodes, screenshots, or any other confirmation of this character's appearance. Oster Twistiy ( talk) 19:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Should we add the Guardians Holiday Special cast? According to this Draft, Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Dave Bautista, Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper are set to return. AxGRvS ( talk) 00:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Because of the sheer amount of them, it seems a bit excessive to me to include them in the table. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Definitely. The archived actors shouldn't be created. – ChannelSpider ( talk) 17:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Exactly, it's an honest representation of the episode. — El Millo ( talk) 20:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
References
I think Rumlow, Sitwell and Valkyrie should be added, they're clearly seen, unlike Pierce who is only seen from the back. AxGRvS ( talk) 01:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Since it appears that all the characters as they appear in What If are variants of the main MCU characters, I think we should move the character rows to be under the What If section. Let's take T'Challa for example. Since he is also Star-Lord in his appearance, we should put "T'Challa / Star Lord" as the character name and row. Think of it how we do with President Loki and his other variants as they were introduced in the series. The main Loki is under the Infinity War introductions because he was introduced there. All these What If characters were not. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
If the character has a major narrative or visual departure from an incarnation previously seen, then they get the new placement.In this wording, someone like Captain Carter (she takes the super soldier serum) or T'Challa (he's Star-Lord) moves, but the variants seen in Endgame that InfiniteNexus noted above wouldn't (outside of an {{ efn}} if necessary) because all of those had no major deviations. Beyond having sourcing, this could be a good principle to follow, should we make these changes. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Great, we'll keep this in our back pocket once What If premieres. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we add Hydra Stomper and Zombie Cap as well?
IronManCap (
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20:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I think John Flynn should be listed as "Introduced in Marvel One-Shots". Also, Karen Gillan is not listed as Nebula in What If. AxGRvS ( talk) 23:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Why is Kingpin on the 'Introduced in Hawkeye' section and not on one that says 'Introduced in Marvel Television series' or something like that? AxGRvS ( talk) 01:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Introduced in Hawkeyebecause we know that to be true when it comes to Marvel Studios productions regardless of its introduction in Marvel TV, not as confirmation that it's not the same character from the Daredevil series. — El Millo ( talk) 21:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Favre1fan93 Well idk, what is clear to me is that you always find a way to accommodate everything according to your preference, regardless of how things are put or said AxGRvS ( talk) 21:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
"We put Kingpin in Introduced in Hawkeye because we know that to be true when it comes to Marvel Studios productions regardless of its introduction in Marvel TV, not as confirmation that it's not the same character from the Daredevil series" Facu-el Millo Then why on the film actors list we have James D'Arcy (Edwin Jarvis) as "Introduced in Agent Carter", which is a Marvel TV series (regardless of Marvel Studios being somewhat involved) AxGRvS ( talk) 22:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Also why are we deciding based only on what Favre1fan93 says? AxGRvS ( talk) 22:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
"So at best we can say the appearance in Hawkeye is using the comics and Daredevil performance to establish this take, but it's still a new (that's key) portrayal, not a direct continuation" so I guess this isn't original research? AxGRvS ( talk) 22:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, so all the ones I checked cast interpret D'Onofrio's comments as a confirmation of it being the same character:
I know that we were picking up with the same guy. It's tough to connect all the dots, but they connected as many as they could and that he had lost a bit of his power because of the Blip. But the idea [was] to bring him into Hawkeye, to have him be that same character that he was in the earlier show, and play him like that[1]
It’s the same character ...then it says basically the same he said before about connecting as many dots as they could though some were impossible to connect. Then CinemaBlend says:
So worry not, fans, this version of New York’s biggest crime boss is meant to be the same one you first met back in 2015. There definitely have been a few alterations made to the character, such as his physical durability ...[2]
The actor also confirms that this version of Fisk is the same we saw in Daredevil. “That’s how I played him, and I think that was the general idea,” D’Onofrio explains. But while he’s the same guy, there were some notable differences. For starters, the Disney+ series established him as Maya’s “uncle” and leader of the Tracksuit Mafia. Plus, his ability to rip the door off a car when confronting Eleanor Bishop painted him as a much stronger man than we saw in Daredevil.D'Onofrio:
... emotionally, and as far as the history that was discussed, it was done with an eye on connecting as many dots from Daredevil to Hawkeye as possible,[3]
I think it's definitely a continuation, like there's no difference to me. There's the physical strength that's different. The fact that he can take more violent abuse, physical abuse is different, but it's very clear with the writers and the producers and the directors that I'm continuing the same man that was in the series a few years ago, in Daredevil.[4]
I think it's clear. He mostly says the same in all of these. That it's the same character, that he played it as the same character, and the main difference is that he's stronger in Hawkeye, that's the only difference he names. In the quote from Collider, he even says that it's very clear with the writers and the producers and the directors that I'm continuing the same man
as in Daredevil, so he's not only talking about how he personally approaches the role as if it were the same character, he says basically all the creatives agree that it's the same character. I think the Collider source is the best one to use as reference for including him in the Introduced in Marvel Television series
section. —
El Millo (
talk)
22:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
References
I agree Facu-el Millo AxGRvS ( talk) 23:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I was able to bring that exact character into Hawkeye . Although in Hawkeye he’s physically stronger, he is that same character and it is the same canon," YgorD3 ( talk) 13:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I started a similar discussion over at the list of film actors for the cameos in No Way Home. From my perspective, I believe that it is irrelevant whether the returning Marvel TV actors are the "same versions" unless there is coverage of them explicitly being different or from different universes etc. as from an encyclopaedic and common coverage perspective they are the same actors playing the same characters and the burden should be on any extra canon-y/trivia-y stuff to be explained and justified rather than us taking the most complicated, in-universe-y perspective by default.
An example of the "burden should be on any extra canon-y/trivia-y stuff to be explained and justified" would be the MCU version of JJJ which Marvel was very explicit about being a new and separate character despite Simmons' return, and that has not happened here for Kingpin and Daredevil. My suggestion is that it makes the most sense from an out-of-universe perspective and from a readability perspective to have an "introduced in Marvel TV series" heading for both lists as well as an "introduced in other franchises" heading (or something like that) at the film list for the Spider-Man franchise returners, but I also suggested a compromise of "introduced in non-Marvel Studios properties" that I think could be used here as well. -
adamstom97 (
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04:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I do generally agree with you when you put it that way about the actors. I'd still differentiate between "different franchises" such as the Raimi and Webb Spider-Man films and the Marvel TV series such as Daredevil.— El Millo ( talk) 04:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
With What If season 2 at this time confirmed to be in 2022, it's becoming apparent the table is getting increasingly "cramped" and probably won't be slowing down. I'm proposing the table be split up by years similarly to the Netflix series section at the Marvel Television actors list. The example of this can be seen here. I've split it by 2021-22, and then anything after 2022. Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 03:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Restarting this again. Can we look at splitting the known Phase Four series by those that released in 2021 and 2022, and then starting a subsequent table for the TBA (likely 2023) releases? Just looking at it again, and the cell columns seem extremely thin/squished and splitting off some of the projects would give the material more room to "breathe". - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Upcomingor
Announcedseem too ambiguous, as Ms Marvel and the rest are also announced and upcoming. How about something along the lines of
No release setor
No release year set? — El Millo ( talk) 19:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Phase Four (2021-22)and
Phase Four (upcoming)? And then that could be changed to
Phase Four (2023-)once we know they aren't coming this year? - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Done. — El Millo ( talk) 23:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Facu-el Millo:, if you visit the official Marvel website, you will see "I Am Groot" among other Disney+ series in the TV Shows section. Regarding canonicity: Gunn never said that this project is not MCU canon. Verbatim: "They are animated shorts so not necessarily part of the Guardians saga" and "They’re canon to themselves, I’d think". I still suggest returning it to the table. Oster Twistiy ( talk) 03:44, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Agent Deever from Ms. Marvel first appeared in No Way Home: https://thedirect.com/article/spider-man-no-way-home-ms-marvel-character 170.239.28.58 ( talk) 02:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
As we can read in this article : https://thedirect.com/article/ms-marvel-post-credits-scene-she-hulk-characters, a picture of Titania appeared in the post-credit scene of the first episode of Ms Marvel. How can we handle this in this article ? 2A01:CB14:CEE:C600:A434:28D2:BD18:29B7 ( talk) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I heard an actor from Captain America: Civil War (don't remember his name) will be reprising his role in Ironheart as a MIT dean i think. If that's true, he is missing from this list. AxGRvS ( talk) 17:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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Similar to what was discussed at Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Four#Films, television series... and specials?, I suggest the Werewolf by Night and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special cast info be taken out of this page and moved to a new section at Marvel Studios Special Presentations. Or, as an alternative, if we want to keep them together, we could move this page to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television actors (Marvel Studios) and the Marvel Television page to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television actors (Marvel Television) (for consistency). Personally I'm fine with either way. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 22:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I've made the split. I know this was discussed recently, but we should update the cast list template to include a new "SP" tag, which would be for Special Presentations, and de-couple it from the "MS" tag as we're doing now. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The links used for 2021 and 2022 in the actor table are 2021 in American television#Television shows and 2022 in American television#Television shows respectively. However none of the MCU series are mentioned on either page. Instead the articles link to separate pages for television show debuts: List of 2021 American television debuts and List of 2022 American television debuts. Wouldn't it be better to link to those in the table since they actually include the series and specials? Although it could be a bit of a problem for 2023 as shows returning would be on the original article equivalent, while debuts are separate. -- Zoo ( talk) 06:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Kahhori ought to be added as a character in the What If...? season 2 section. Wcdowchb ( talk) 20:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hey, @ Favre1fan93 and Richiekim: I found reliable sources for white Vision's official name being "The Vision", the first one being the end credits [1] and the second one being an interview with Bettany. [2] so I added it back to WandaVision. But should we list them together here? Should it be "Vision / The Vision" together, or should we keep "Vision" under "Introduced in the Infinity Saga" and place "The Vision" under "Introduced in WandaVision"? — El Millo ( talk) 00:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
References
@ Facu-el Millo:, Howard Stark didn't appear in the series. It's a fact. This reliable source has not provided any timecodes, screenshots, or any other confirmation of this character's appearance. Oster Twistiy ( talk) 19:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Should we add the Guardians Holiday Special cast? According to this Draft, Chris Pratt, Zoe Saldana, Dave Bautista, Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper are set to return. AxGRvS ( talk) 00:30, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Because of the sheer amount of them, it seems a bit excessive to me to include them in the table. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Definitely. The archived actors shouldn't be created. – ChannelSpider ( talk) 17:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Exactly, it's an honest representation of the episode. — El Millo ( talk) 20:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
References
I think Rumlow, Sitwell and Valkyrie should be added, they're clearly seen, unlike Pierce who is only seen from the back. AxGRvS ( talk) 01:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Since it appears that all the characters as they appear in What If are variants of the main MCU characters, I think we should move the character rows to be under the What If section. Let's take T'Challa for example. Since he is also Star-Lord in his appearance, we should put "T'Challa / Star Lord" as the character name and row. Think of it how we do with President Loki and his other variants as they were introduced in the series. The main Loki is under the Infinity War introductions because he was introduced there. All these What If characters were not. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
If the character has a major narrative or visual departure from an incarnation previously seen, then they get the new placement.In this wording, someone like Captain Carter (she takes the super soldier serum) or T'Challa (he's Star-Lord) moves, but the variants seen in Endgame that InfiniteNexus noted above wouldn't (outside of an {{ efn}} if necessary) because all of those had no major deviations. Beyond having sourcing, this could be a good principle to follow, should we make these changes. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Great, we'll keep this in our back pocket once What If premieres. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 21:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we add Hydra Stomper and Zombie Cap as well?
IronManCap (
talk)
20:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I think John Flynn should be listed as "Introduced in Marvel One-Shots". Also, Karen Gillan is not listed as Nebula in What If. AxGRvS ( talk) 23:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Why is Kingpin on the 'Introduced in Hawkeye' section and not on one that says 'Introduced in Marvel Television series' or something like that? AxGRvS ( talk) 01:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Introduced in Hawkeyebecause we know that to be true when it comes to Marvel Studios productions regardless of its introduction in Marvel TV, not as confirmation that it's not the same character from the Daredevil series. — El Millo ( talk) 21:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Favre1fan93 Well idk, what is clear to me is that you always find a way to accommodate everything according to your preference, regardless of how things are put or said AxGRvS ( talk) 21:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
"We put Kingpin in Introduced in Hawkeye because we know that to be true when it comes to Marvel Studios productions regardless of its introduction in Marvel TV, not as confirmation that it's not the same character from the Daredevil series" Facu-el Millo Then why on the film actors list we have James D'Arcy (Edwin Jarvis) as "Introduced in Agent Carter", which is a Marvel TV series (regardless of Marvel Studios being somewhat involved) AxGRvS ( talk) 22:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Also why are we deciding based only on what Favre1fan93 says? AxGRvS ( talk) 22:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
"So at best we can say the appearance in Hawkeye is using the comics and Daredevil performance to establish this take, but it's still a new (that's key) portrayal, not a direct continuation" so I guess this isn't original research? AxGRvS ( talk) 22:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay, so all the ones I checked cast interpret D'Onofrio's comments as a confirmation of it being the same character:
I know that we were picking up with the same guy. It's tough to connect all the dots, but they connected as many as they could and that he had lost a bit of his power because of the Blip. But the idea [was] to bring him into Hawkeye, to have him be that same character that he was in the earlier show, and play him like that[1]
It’s the same character ...then it says basically the same he said before about connecting as many dots as they could though some were impossible to connect. Then CinemaBlend says:
So worry not, fans, this version of New York’s biggest crime boss is meant to be the same one you first met back in 2015. There definitely have been a few alterations made to the character, such as his physical durability ...[2]
The actor also confirms that this version of Fisk is the same we saw in Daredevil. “That’s how I played him, and I think that was the general idea,” D’Onofrio explains. But while he’s the same guy, there were some notable differences. For starters, the Disney+ series established him as Maya’s “uncle” and leader of the Tracksuit Mafia. Plus, his ability to rip the door off a car when confronting Eleanor Bishop painted him as a much stronger man than we saw in Daredevil.D'Onofrio:
... emotionally, and as far as the history that was discussed, it was done with an eye on connecting as many dots from Daredevil to Hawkeye as possible,[3]
I think it's definitely a continuation, like there's no difference to me. There's the physical strength that's different. The fact that he can take more violent abuse, physical abuse is different, but it's very clear with the writers and the producers and the directors that I'm continuing the same man that was in the series a few years ago, in Daredevil.[4]
I think it's clear. He mostly says the same in all of these. That it's the same character, that he played it as the same character, and the main difference is that he's stronger in Hawkeye, that's the only difference he names. In the quote from Collider, he even says that it's very clear with the writers and the producers and the directors that I'm continuing the same man
as in Daredevil, so he's not only talking about how he personally approaches the role as if it were the same character, he says basically all the creatives agree that it's the same character. I think the Collider source is the best one to use as reference for including him in the Introduced in Marvel Television series
section. —
El Millo (
talk)
22:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
References
I agree Facu-el Millo AxGRvS ( talk) 23:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I was able to bring that exact character into Hawkeye . Although in Hawkeye he’s physically stronger, he is that same character and it is the same canon," YgorD3 ( talk) 13:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I started a similar discussion over at the list of film actors for the cameos in No Way Home. From my perspective, I believe that it is irrelevant whether the returning Marvel TV actors are the "same versions" unless there is coverage of them explicitly being different or from different universes etc. as from an encyclopaedic and common coverage perspective they are the same actors playing the same characters and the burden should be on any extra canon-y/trivia-y stuff to be explained and justified rather than us taking the most complicated, in-universe-y perspective by default.
An example of the "burden should be on any extra canon-y/trivia-y stuff to be explained and justified" would be the MCU version of JJJ which Marvel was very explicit about being a new and separate character despite Simmons' return, and that has not happened here for Kingpin and Daredevil. My suggestion is that it makes the most sense from an out-of-universe perspective and from a readability perspective to have an "introduced in Marvel TV series" heading for both lists as well as an "introduced in other franchises" heading (or something like that) at the film list for the Spider-Man franchise returners, but I also suggested a compromise of "introduced in non-Marvel Studios properties" that I think could be used here as well. -
adamstom97 (
talk)
04:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I do generally agree with you when you put it that way about the actors. I'd still differentiate between "different franchises" such as the Raimi and Webb Spider-Man films and the Marvel TV series such as Daredevil.— El Millo ( talk) 04:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
With What If season 2 at this time confirmed to be in 2022, it's becoming apparent the table is getting increasingly "cramped" and probably won't be slowing down. I'm proposing the table be split up by years similarly to the Netflix series section at the Marvel Television actors list. The example of this can be seen here. I've split it by 2021-22, and then anything after 2022. Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 03:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Restarting this again. Can we look at splitting the known Phase Four series by those that released in 2021 and 2022, and then starting a subsequent table for the TBA (likely 2023) releases? Just looking at it again, and the cell columns seem extremely thin/squished and splitting off some of the projects would give the material more room to "breathe". - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Upcomingor
Announcedseem too ambiguous, as Ms Marvel and the rest are also announced and upcoming. How about something along the lines of
No release setor
No release year set? — El Millo ( talk) 19:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Phase Four (2021-22)and
Phase Four (upcoming)? And then that could be changed to
Phase Four (2023-)once we know they aren't coming this year? - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Done. — El Millo ( talk) 23:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Facu-el Millo:, if you visit the official Marvel website, you will see "I Am Groot" among other Disney+ series in the TV Shows section. Regarding canonicity: Gunn never said that this project is not MCU canon. Verbatim: "They are animated shorts so not necessarily part of the Guardians saga" and "They’re canon to themselves, I’d think". I still suggest returning it to the table. Oster Twistiy ( talk) 03:44, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Agent Deever from Ms. Marvel first appeared in No Way Home: https://thedirect.com/article/spider-man-no-way-home-ms-marvel-character 170.239.28.58 ( talk) 02:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
As we can read in this article : https://thedirect.com/article/ms-marvel-post-credits-scene-she-hulk-characters, a picture of Titania appeared in the post-credit scene of the first episode of Ms Marvel. How can we handle this in this article ? 2A01:CB14:CEE:C600:A434:28D2:BD18:29B7 ( talk) 02:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I heard an actor from Captain America: Civil War (don't remember his name) will be reprising his role in Ironheart as a MIT dean i think. If that's true, he is missing from this list. AxGRvS ( talk) 17:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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Similar to what was discussed at Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Four#Films, television series... and specials?, I suggest the Werewolf by Night and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special cast info be taken out of this page and moved to a new section at Marvel Studios Special Presentations. Or, as an alternative, if we want to keep them together, we could move this page to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television actors (Marvel Studios) and the Marvel Television page to List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television actors (Marvel Television) (for consistency). Personally I'm fine with either way. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 22:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I've made the split. I know this was discussed recently, but we should update the cast list template to include a new "SP" tag, which would be for Special Presentations, and de-couple it from the "MS" tag as we're doing now. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 19:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The links used for 2021 and 2022 in the actor table are 2021 in American television#Television shows and 2022 in American television#Television shows respectively. However none of the MCU series are mentioned on either page. Instead the articles link to separate pages for television show debuts: List of 2021 American television debuts and List of 2022 American television debuts. Wouldn't it be better to link to those in the table since they actually include the series and specials? Although it could be a bit of a problem for 2023 as shows returning would be on the original article equivalent, while debuts are separate. -- Zoo ( talk) 06:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Kahhori ought to be added as a character in the What If...? season 2 section. Wcdowchb ( talk) 20:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)