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Where does Hulu's Marvel's M.O.D.O.K. fit in this whole planning? It's got Marvel's name in it, it's very much official and it was a show planned before Marvel TV folded... but is it connected to the main universe? Why isn't it featured on this exhaustive list of shows? - 2804:3B34:62B2:0:243B:99EA:B6F9:3EA8 ( talk) 21:08, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Here is the source from Marvel [1]. Mike210381 ( talk) 18:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Writer Marion Dayre revealed that she is the head writer for Echo ( https://twitter.com/mariondayre/status/1459478204142419968). Etan Cohen and Emily Cohen may have been replaced. YgorD3 ( talk) 16:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
I Am Groot was announced as a series of short films, not a TV series for the MCU. It still could work as a TV show and makes sense to keep, but if it stays, it should be moved to the Phase Four section because it was announced for Phase 4. Anyways, I don't know if I Am Groot counts as a show here. JDA 78 ( talk) 21:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
InfiniteNexus It should be listed here, it's tv series. You can't provide any source that says it's series of short films and the same of MOS, it's only your opinion. Lado85 ( talk) 08:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Do you have a source that it similar to MOS?argument, it's getting absurd at this point. The point is, it's a series of shorts/short films, so they should not be included here. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 17:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Since we've gotten our first new director in a series (Bert & Bertie for Hawkeye episode 3) and they were not credited as executive producers, I didn't know if we wanted to revisit Adamstom.97's proposal ( here) to only include the directors with executive producer credit in the table. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Untitled Halloween special be listed as a Phase 4 release? If The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special with its December 2022 release date is part of Phase 4, then the Halloween special should be included there, as well. -- Sricsi ( talk) 20:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
My understanding is that Hit-Monkey is a part of the MCU. But the page for the show ( Hit-Monkey (TV series)) doesn't explicitly mention the MCU and this list doesn't include Hit-Monkey. Is that exclusion intentional? 45.16.201.121 ( talk) 11:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Re this bit, "Following the introduction of the multiverse to the MCU in the first season finale of Loki, Jack Shephard of Total Film suggested that Marvel Studios officially announce that the Marvel Television series take place on a different timeline within that multiverse and are not MCU canon since it was becoming obvious to fans and commentators that the studio was not taking the events of those series into account." it looks like WP:RSUW, and introduces an unsupported opinion as though it's fact. i.e. 'since it was becoming obvious to fans and commentators' which is MOS:WEASEL and not clearly presented as the author's personal opinion but as though it's an established fact on which he has based his assertion. Is what the author suggests Marvel Studios should do significant to this list of shows? It also doesn't appear have a clear understanding of what canon means either, with it being an MOS:INUNIVERSE argument more concerned with continuity, which is a separate concept. Marvel Studios already unambiguously defines some works which include different timelines as a major aspects of the fiction as being a part of the canon (Loki, What If...?, No Way Home, Endgame, Quantumania), in any case which makes the entire argument moot, -different timelines demonstrably do not equate to 'not MCU canon' as suggested by this. Also the section is entitled, 'Crossovers to feature films' to which it doesn't relate in any way. Frond Dishlock ( talk) 10:55, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
main canonand not just
canon. We can reword it to make it sound less like a fact and more the commentator's opinion, and to clarify that he's talking about canon to the main timeline. — El Millo ( talk) 16:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Following the introduction of the multiverse to the MCU in the first season finale of Loki, Jack Shephard of Total Film suggested that Marvel Studios officially announce that the Marvel Television series take place on a different timeline within that multiverse since it had become obvious to him that the studio was not taking the events of those series into account as part of the main timeline— El Millo ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
From what I'm seeing on the linked article to the Daredevil Reboot, as well as other places reporting on it such as IGN, it's seemingly being stated that it's only "suggested" as happening, should it be removed from the listing until it's more definitive as to whether it is actually happening or not or am I missing something? 45.51.168.117 ( talk) 20:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
This was pretty much a given seeing as the timeline rows only include Marvel Studios projects, but here is a source stating such if that is helpful in any place here or the individual articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 04:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose renaming the section to "The Defenders Saga" since that seems to be their official title within Disney/Marvel? Sure, "Netflix series" made sense because it was their original network but as you can see with YA section and "Adventure into Fear", we don't always have to use the network name in grouping them. This will also be important if/when some of these are rebooted/revived by Marvel Studios within Disney+ (rather than Netflix).
We've retroactively added/updated groupings before once they're revealed like with "The Infinity Saga" and "Skywalker Saga" etc. So, I think this should be okay. — Starforce13 15:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't notice there was a discussion about it on the "Netflix Marvel series" article, I've been quite inactive lately. In that case, yes, let's keep them as they are until we see if Marvel expands them or embraces it as the new common name. Thank you. — Starforce13 17:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should subsection this to have a heading for "when Marvel Television operated" for all of the content except the last paragraph, and then the last paragraph under something like "after Marvel Television folded". Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Starting this discussion here to be somewhat centralized. I have been thinking about this, and was curious since virtually all of the series have charted on Nielsen's streaming charts, if it made sense to include the minutes viewed data of each episode on the main articles more or less like "traditional" viewing numbers, as well as any additional "notable" data for any individual episode. Right now, it seems like we have a varying collection of data on the main articles, some being just for early episodes etc. This feels like a consistent way to showcase the entire series (we could even do tables if that makes better visual sense) since Samba and others don't seem to reliably report on all episodes of the series. Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:01, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we have a truly reliable viewership number. 1) The Nielsen viewed minutes aren't per episode. They are for how much time people spent watching the show in general in a given week. That's why you'll see it includes the number of episodes. So, week 1 will be one episode while week 6 is all the 6 episodes. And for Netflix shows, it's basically the entire season (plus all previous seasons, if any). So, even though most people are going to be watching the newest episode, some will be (re)watching previous episodes and the data will be misleading. 2) Samba TV isn't a sample projection but rather how many Samba TV households watched. So, it's always an underestimation because it doesn't count people who aren't part of Samba TV and doesn't do any projection to cover them. — Starforce13 00:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Show Douglas Petrie's full name on the list as his name had been shown like this on titles of the show 5.197.243.50 ( talk) 16:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Why isn’t it listed with the other shows being made by Marvel Studios? It may just be a series of animated shorts, but is has been confirmed as part of Phase Four. Also, it’s been confirmed that it will premiere later this year, on August 10.
For example, Tales of the Jedi, a similar series of animated shorts from Star Wars, has been listed in the respective list of Star Wars TV series, with the other animated Star Wars shows. Ascarboro97 ( talk) 16:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
According to SDCC 2022's website ( link), Marvel Studios will have a panel on Friday, July 22 solely dedicated to their animation projects; including X-Men '97, Marvel Zombies, and What If...? season 2 (strangely enough Spider-Man: Freshman Year isn't mentioned). — SirDot ( talk) 22:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
There's a comma after Menon's name. I understand that comma before and comes because of avoiding misunderstandings but when directors use together to make this clear & is used between their names, not and. So the comma is unnecessary, this also applies to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter showrunners. 94.20.90.195 ( talk) 11:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
X-Men '97 seems to have disappeared from the article... Is this an oversight? Alinblack ( talk) 14:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
So, I've been seeing this brought up in a series of edits and felt it best to discuss it here to get a general clarification and thought basis for it before progressing with further back-and-forth edits/reverts. A recent TVLine article
here discusses fan concerns of MCU content, and at the way bottom, it lists off the upcoming series and films as such: Beyond She-Hulk‘s run (which should wrap Oct. 12), the MCU will serve up Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (in theaters Nov. 11) and Disney+’s Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special, followed by a robust 2023 slate that includes but is far from limited to TV’s Secret Invasion, Ironheart, Echo, Loki Season 2 and Agatha: House of Harkness, and movies such as Ant-Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and The Marvels.
The 2023 releases for Loki S2, SI, Ironheart, and Agatha: HoH have been added to several articles where applicable from this, although I have not seen these releases verified by any other outlet such as Variety or Deadline, and as such have reverted them, especially since even the latest casting/filming sources we have for them all state no releases have been set yet. TVLine is regarded as a trustworthy and reliable source, and these releases do appear plausible, but I have concerns with them not being reported on by any other source, as this article reads more like a commentary piece than an actual news report. I'm open to hearing what other editors think on this, but given SDCC and D23/D+ Day announcements are coming up in the next few months, it may only be short-lived.
Trailblazer101 (
talk) 22:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
For a couple of shows including Echo and Agatha, 20th Television is listed as a co-producer, which seems highly unlikely. They all cite Production Weekly which isn't always reliable. 1) Oftentimes, Disney books these productions under some of their other studios or even a fake LLC to throw people off. 2) Also, based on histroy, Marvel Studios never does co-productions unless it's for an IP they don't own... not even when the directors have their own production company. So, until there's a formal announcement or an independent 3rd party source, I think we should remove other studios besides Marvel Studios. — Starforce13 03:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
As in SDCC 2022, Kevin Feige showed the board of phases and there was no mention of animation projects there. Apart from that Marvel Studios Animation had a separate panel in SDCC. As there are not set in prime 616 universe of MCU also so just for clarity and better organization, shouldn't we create a separate section for animation projects just like we already have for Defenders and other shows in this article? -- Shoxee1214 ( talk) 23:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay, my opinion on this one has shifted slightly. Per these tweets 1 2 it turns out that the SDCC animation panel used the term "Marvel Animated Multiverse" to refer to all of Marvel Studios' animated series. That plus them not being included in the Phases suggests to me that we should probably not be trying to put them in the Phases based on release dates (which actually feels a bit like WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH). I think we should separate them into an Animation subsection until we get a new source that actually supports them being in the Phases. I have found a reliable source in this Variety recap that we can use to support the "Marvel Animated Multiverse" heading. The only other thing is that it sounds like X-Men '97 should be included but the wording in the Variety source doesn't really support that so we may need to continue leaving that out of this article for now. - adamstom97 ( talk) 21:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I've added "Marvel Animated Multiverse" to this article plus the articles/drafts of the series discussed at that panel (excluding I Am Groot). Was not sure if this needed to be added to the phase articles just yet. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Correct Bradley's name. It's A.C. in show's titles, not A. C. 5.197.243.8 ( talk) 19:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This appears to be the grouping Marvel is using for their TV specials and Gunn has confirmed the GotG Holiday Special will be known as such as well. With that, should some sort of heading/section be made here or at Marvel Cinematic Universe and a redirect of A Marvel Studios Special Presentation be made? At the Werewolf by Night article we have a Den of Geek article talking about the little opening from the trailer (which Feige stated at the panel Giacchino scored that little music and I'm trying to find a way to confirm/source) and this from the Direct (which we couldn't really use) that likens it in a way to the One-Shots. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Jack Shephard has no involvement with Marvel Studios or Marvel Television, and he is not providing any useful information.
I am told it is "relevant commentary", but Loki has absolutely no ties to Marvel Television, so there is nothing to comment on. The only people who would say this are those who believe the shows aren't canon - who are wrong. It is an opinion that is contradicted by the shows themselves, behind-the-scenes comments from Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment, and now even direct crossovers. By this logic, you could argue every single MCU film is a slightly different universe. The Incredible Hulk? Captain Marvel? Shang-Chi? You can make the exact same argument for those. There's no reason to, but you could, just like how there's no reason here either. There is no reason to attribute the multiverse with Marvel Television because these shows are made to be the same universe, not a slightly different universe.
Now, no matter how many times they crossover and connect with these shows in very direct ways, you're going to get people who say that it's a different universe that's 99% the same.
Daredevil (thus, The Defenders Saga) connects to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which connects to Agent Carter, Inhumans and Runaways, which connects to Cloak & Dagger, which connects to Luke Cage and Daredevil (thus, the Defenders Saga).
This random guy stating his "opinion" should not be included on what is otherwise an entirely informative page. 2A02:C7C:467D:EF00:B5DC:5640:63FE:1E38 ( talk) 20:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey, the short description is showing as "0000 American TV series or program" so seems to be pulling from the infobox and not being overridden by the template at the top with "none", anyone know why please? Indagate ( talk) 19:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
This page intentionally has no description.for me. You may need to purge your cache. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
disney+ japan released an updated release schedule for 2023 and it does not include Echo, What If season 2 and Agatha:Coven of Chaos. any thoughts? 223.233.27.215 ( talk) 14:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Is helstrom canon because sources in the web is saying it's not canon however it's in the mcu wiki so is it canon or not or is it like in the mcu but barely noticed XTRM XPRT KILR ( talk) 10:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
The consensus formed at the Helstrom article doesn't necessarily equate equally to this article, or the Adventure into Fear one, as both of these serve vastly different purposes. This list, and to an extent the AiF one, are meant to be overview articles, including all attempts by Marvel Television. Thus, its section is justified for inclusion here as is all the prose included in it. This article and its sections need to help serve readers to navigate them to this info; excluding it fully would be a disservice to them. And we are accurately stating in both the lead and the section that nothing further ever came of the AiF series, though we could possibly include an additional sentence here with the sources from Helstrom noting it becoming further disconnected from the MCU upon release. But in short, as formatted, the info is correct to feature here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
While this is not meant to replace discussion, nor are changes made through a strict count of votes, I am hoping to present my proposed lead rewording to !votes. I've come up with edits that I hope will satisfy all involved:
The consensus is here that AoF should remain on this article given its WP:REALWORLD background and original intent for what it would be for Marvel Television. And upon further thinking about these changes myself, I think this is the way to go, as it keeps the section here (as I believe it should be), but by removing the overview table, the page is not exclaiming "this is 100% MCU" as we have the comments that it ultimately became very loosely, if at all, connected after its original intent. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I strongly advise against setting up any poll before we get an RFC going so we can arrive at a workable solution based on the outcomeThat is what this informal poll attempted to do, an attempt to present a workable solution to the matter for those who participated so far or any others. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
"Variety has learned exclusively that Luna will star in the recently announced Hulu live-action series based on the comic book character. This will mark the second time that Luna has played Ghost Rider, previously appearing as the character in the ABC-Marvel series “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” However, sources stress that this will be a completely new iteration of the character in no way connected to the “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” storyline.", while Entertainment Weekly states
"According to Hulu, this isn’t a traditional spin-off of S.H.I.E.L.D. but will focus on the “same character with [a] new story that lives unto its own.”", and this is from an interview with Loeb and The Beat:
"Speaking of Ghostrider, Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb insisted the upcoming series is not a direct spinoff of S.H.I.E.L.D. Fans should not view it as an extension of one to the other. Luna is still the same character who happened to have an adventure with the cast of S.H.I.E.L.D., “and that will be referenced,” but the show is “definitely its own thing.”"It was still intended to be the same character and reference SHIELD, but be a new iteration not connected to the SHIELD storyline and not a direct spin-off of that. No where does it explicitly state from the sources or creatives/studio/streamer that it is not in the MCU franchise, which does not have a single timeline or reality for canon. To infer that because Ghost Rider was intentionally not planned to connect to the AoS storyline while featuring the same character with a new iteration therefore means that another show part of the same sub-franchise is not in the MCU is WP:Original research. I do believe we need to lay out all of this info from the sources in the AiF article, in the Development and Ghost Rider sections. We cannot possibly determine from conflicting sources of information one or another is true, so we must remain WP:Neutral and present all of the facts. Regardless of its canonicity in the MCU fictional universe, Helstrom and the other planned AiF series were made for the MCU franchise, which these articles reflect from the WP:REALWORLD perspective. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 22:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
ChimaFan12 There is not any consensus for you to remove the Helstrom section. Please stop doing so. A potential solution to how the info is stated here has been presented above which did gain some support outside of yourself, so I highly recommend you either reconsider accepting that solution, or present an alternative to it in the similar vein for others to consider, instead of continuing your editing which at this point has become quite WP:DISRUPTIVE. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 01:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
a lot of the edits I try to get passed that are reverted when I do it are accepted when someone does it nearly verbatim to what I didPlease point out where another editor since July has removed the Helstrom section. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 02:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Is there a reason it's not here? I feel there must be some reason it's not, so I'm not going to edit it in, but every source I can see says it is MarkiPoli ( talk) 23:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
it belongs there", as has been explained and via consensus through the several discussions via the FAQ. It has not been dubbed a full-fledged "television series", "limited series", or "miniseries" by Marvel or Disney+. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 15:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
They could be" is not a justification. Marvel has not called them a "
television series of shorts". They have only used "
series of shorts" and "
series of short films". There has been enough reason provided to you already by multiple editors. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 17:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
a collection of shorts", and the poster uses "
Original shirts" opposed to "Original series". Also, just because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS on Wikipedia does not mean the same should automatically be the same for something else. Pixar and Marvel are two different studios with different creatives and personnel. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 17:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
by virtue of being a television series" does not mean it is a television series, and Marvel not calling it a television series does not mean we can call it such. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 19:46, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
It is my understanding that I Am Groot was initially included and then excluded from this article because the "short films" wording was key in the announcement. After taking some time to further contemplate this, I don't think a complete exclusion is necessarily productive, and there may be a further incentive to include them than there is to not. Just like how it was initially listed under the "Tie-in media" header at the Phase articles before a discussion found it sufficient to move it up from that, this may be a wake-up call, if you will. I had thought the reason the I Am Groot series of shorts was excluded was because we were treating them like the Special Presentations, although, it got me thinking that a brief overview would not be a disservice to our readers as to explain the short series' relation to Marvel Studios' other series, if you will, with a brief summary of what they are, as well as noting them in the lead along with the specials, as we do in the Phase articles. I have arranged such additions to this article in my sandbox. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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Where does Hulu's Marvel's M.O.D.O.K. fit in this whole planning? It's got Marvel's name in it, it's very much official and it was a show planned before Marvel TV folded... but is it connected to the main universe? Why isn't it featured on this exhaustive list of shows? - 2804:3B34:62B2:0:243B:99EA:B6F9:3EA8 ( talk) 21:08, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Here is the source from Marvel [1]. Mike210381 ( talk) 18:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Writer Marion Dayre revealed that she is the head writer for Echo ( https://twitter.com/mariondayre/status/1459478204142419968). Etan Cohen and Emily Cohen may have been replaced. YgorD3 ( talk) 16:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
I Am Groot was announced as a series of short films, not a TV series for the MCU. It still could work as a TV show and makes sense to keep, but if it stays, it should be moved to the Phase Four section because it was announced for Phase 4. Anyways, I don't know if I Am Groot counts as a show here. JDA 78 ( talk) 21:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
InfiniteNexus It should be listed here, it's tv series. You can't provide any source that says it's series of short films and the same of MOS, it's only your opinion. Lado85 ( talk) 08:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Do you have a source that it similar to MOS?argument, it's getting absurd at this point. The point is, it's a series of shorts/short films, so they should not be included here. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 17:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Since we've gotten our first new director in a series (Bert & Bertie for Hawkeye episode 3) and they were not credited as executive producers, I didn't know if we wanted to revisit Adamstom.97's proposal ( here) to only include the directors with executive producer credit in the table. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Untitled Halloween special be listed as a Phase 4 release? If The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special with its December 2022 release date is part of Phase 4, then the Halloween special should be included there, as well. -- Sricsi ( talk) 20:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
My understanding is that Hit-Monkey is a part of the MCU. But the page for the show ( Hit-Monkey (TV series)) doesn't explicitly mention the MCU and this list doesn't include Hit-Monkey. Is that exclusion intentional? 45.16.201.121 ( talk) 11:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Re this bit, "Following the introduction of the multiverse to the MCU in the first season finale of Loki, Jack Shephard of Total Film suggested that Marvel Studios officially announce that the Marvel Television series take place on a different timeline within that multiverse and are not MCU canon since it was becoming obvious to fans and commentators that the studio was not taking the events of those series into account." it looks like WP:RSUW, and introduces an unsupported opinion as though it's fact. i.e. 'since it was becoming obvious to fans and commentators' which is MOS:WEASEL and not clearly presented as the author's personal opinion but as though it's an established fact on which he has based his assertion. Is what the author suggests Marvel Studios should do significant to this list of shows? It also doesn't appear have a clear understanding of what canon means either, with it being an MOS:INUNIVERSE argument more concerned with continuity, which is a separate concept. Marvel Studios already unambiguously defines some works which include different timelines as a major aspects of the fiction as being a part of the canon (Loki, What If...?, No Way Home, Endgame, Quantumania), in any case which makes the entire argument moot, -different timelines demonstrably do not equate to 'not MCU canon' as suggested by this. Also the section is entitled, 'Crossovers to feature films' to which it doesn't relate in any way. Frond Dishlock ( talk) 10:55, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
main canonand not just
canon. We can reword it to make it sound less like a fact and more the commentator's opinion, and to clarify that he's talking about canon to the main timeline. — El Millo ( talk) 16:20, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Following the introduction of the multiverse to the MCU in the first season finale of Loki, Jack Shephard of Total Film suggested that Marvel Studios officially announce that the Marvel Television series take place on a different timeline within that multiverse since it had become obvious to him that the studio was not taking the events of those series into account as part of the main timeline— El Millo ( talk) 16:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
From what I'm seeing on the linked article to the Daredevil Reboot, as well as other places reporting on it such as IGN, it's seemingly being stated that it's only "suggested" as happening, should it be removed from the listing until it's more definitive as to whether it is actually happening or not or am I missing something? 45.51.168.117 ( talk) 20:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
This was pretty much a given seeing as the timeline rows only include Marvel Studios projects, but here is a source stating such if that is helpful in any place here or the individual articles. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 04:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone oppose renaming the section to "The Defenders Saga" since that seems to be their official title within Disney/Marvel? Sure, "Netflix series" made sense because it was their original network but as you can see with YA section and "Adventure into Fear", we don't always have to use the network name in grouping them. This will also be important if/when some of these are rebooted/revived by Marvel Studios within Disney+ (rather than Netflix).
We've retroactively added/updated groupings before once they're revealed like with "The Infinity Saga" and "Skywalker Saga" etc. So, I think this should be okay. — Starforce13 15:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't notice there was a discussion about it on the "Netflix Marvel series" article, I've been quite inactive lately. In that case, yes, let's keep them as they are until we see if Marvel expands them or embraces it as the new common name. Thank you. — Starforce13 17:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should subsection this to have a heading for "when Marvel Television operated" for all of the content except the last paragraph, and then the last paragraph under something like "after Marvel Television folded". Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 22:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Starting this discussion here to be somewhat centralized. I have been thinking about this, and was curious since virtually all of the series have charted on Nielsen's streaming charts, if it made sense to include the minutes viewed data of each episode on the main articles more or less like "traditional" viewing numbers, as well as any additional "notable" data for any individual episode. Right now, it seems like we have a varying collection of data on the main articles, some being just for early episodes etc. This feels like a consistent way to showcase the entire series (we could even do tables if that makes better visual sense) since Samba and others don't seem to reliably report on all episodes of the series. Thoughts? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:01, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think we have a truly reliable viewership number. 1) The Nielsen viewed minutes aren't per episode. They are for how much time people spent watching the show in general in a given week. That's why you'll see it includes the number of episodes. So, week 1 will be one episode while week 6 is all the 6 episodes. And for Netflix shows, it's basically the entire season (plus all previous seasons, if any). So, even though most people are going to be watching the newest episode, some will be (re)watching previous episodes and the data will be misleading. 2) Samba TV isn't a sample projection but rather how many Samba TV households watched. So, it's always an underestimation because it doesn't count people who aren't part of Samba TV and doesn't do any projection to cover them. — Starforce13 00:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Show Douglas Petrie's full name on the list as his name had been shown like this on titles of the show 5.197.243.50 ( talk) 16:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Why isn’t it listed with the other shows being made by Marvel Studios? It may just be a series of animated shorts, but is has been confirmed as part of Phase Four. Also, it’s been confirmed that it will premiere later this year, on August 10.
For example, Tales of the Jedi, a similar series of animated shorts from Star Wars, has been listed in the respective list of Star Wars TV series, with the other animated Star Wars shows. Ascarboro97 ( talk) 16:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
According to SDCC 2022's website ( link), Marvel Studios will have a panel on Friday, July 22 solely dedicated to their animation projects; including X-Men '97, Marvel Zombies, and What If...? season 2 (strangely enough Spider-Man: Freshman Year isn't mentioned). — SirDot ( talk) 22:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
There's a comma after Menon's name. I understand that comma before and comes because of avoiding misunderstandings but when directors use together to make this clear & is used between their names, not and. So the comma is unnecessary, this also applies to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter showrunners. 94.20.90.195 ( talk) 11:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
X-Men '97 seems to have disappeared from the article... Is this an oversight? Alinblack ( talk) 14:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
So, I've been seeing this brought up in a series of edits and felt it best to discuss it here to get a general clarification and thought basis for it before progressing with further back-and-forth edits/reverts. A recent TVLine article
here discusses fan concerns of MCU content, and at the way bottom, it lists off the upcoming series and films as such: Beyond She-Hulk‘s run (which should wrap Oct. 12), the MCU will serve up Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (in theaters Nov. 11) and Disney+’s Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special, followed by a robust 2023 slate that includes but is far from limited to TV’s Secret Invasion, Ironheart, Echo, Loki Season 2 and Agatha: House of Harkness, and movies such as Ant-Man 3, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and The Marvels.
The 2023 releases for Loki S2, SI, Ironheart, and Agatha: HoH have been added to several articles where applicable from this, although I have not seen these releases verified by any other outlet such as Variety or Deadline, and as such have reverted them, especially since even the latest casting/filming sources we have for them all state no releases have been set yet. TVLine is regarded as a trustworthy and reliable source, and these releases do appear plausible, but I have concerns with them not being reported on by any other source, as this article reads more like a commentary piece than an actual news report. I'm open to hearing what other editors think on this, but given SDCC and D23/D+ Day announcements are coming up in the next few months, it may only be short-lived.
Trailblazer101 (
talk) 22:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
For a couple of shows including Echo and Agatha, 20th Television is listed as a co-producer, which seems highly unlikely. They all cite Production Weekly which isn't always reliable. 1) Oftentimes, Disney books these productions under some of their other studios or even a fake LLC to throw people off. 2) Also, based on histroy, Marvel Studios never does co-productions unless it's for an IP they don't own... not even when the directors have their own production company. So, until there's a formal announcement or an independent 3rd party source, I think we should remove other studios besides Marvel Studios. — Starforce13 03:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
As in SDCC 2022, Kevin Feige showed the board of phases and there was no mention of animation projects there. Apart from that Marvel Studios Animation had a separate panel in SDCC. As there are not set in prime 616 universe of MCU also so just for clarity and better organization, shouldn't we create a separate section for animation projects just like we already have for Defenders and other shows in this article? -- Shoxee1214 ( talk) 23:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay, my opinion on this one has shifted slightly. Per these tweets 1 2 it turns out that the SDCC animation panel used the term "Marvel Animated Multiverse" to refer to all of Marvel Studios' animated series. That plus them not being included in the Phases suggests to me that we should probably not be trying to put them in the Phases based on release dates (which actually feels a bit like WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH). I think we should separate them into an Animation subsection until we get a new source that actually supports them being in the Phases. I have found a reliable source in this Variety recap that we can use to support the "Marvel Animated Multiverse" heading. The only other thing is that it sounds like X-Men '97 should be included but the wording in the Variety source doesn't really support that so we may need to continue leaving that out of this article for now. - adamstom97 ( talk) 21:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
I've added "Marvel Animated Multiverse" to this article plus the articles/drafts of the series discussed at that panel (excluding I Am Groot). Was not sure if this needed to be added to the phase articles just yet. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Correct Bradley's name. It's A.C. in show's titles, not A. C. 5.197.243.8 ( talk) 19:56, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This appears to be the grouping Marvel is using for their TV specials and Gunn has confirmed the GotG Holiday Special will be known as such as well. With that, should some sort of heading/section be made here or at Marvel Cinematic Universe and a redirect of A Marvel Studios Special Presentation be made? At the Werewolf by Night article we have a Den of Geek article talking about the little opening from the trailer (which Feige stated at the panel Giacchino scored that little music and I'm trying to find a way to confirm/source) and this from the Direct (which we couldn't really use) that likens it in a way to the One-Shots. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 00:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Jack Shephard has no involvement with Marvel Studios or Marvel Television, and he is not providing any useful information.
I am told it is "relevant commentary", but Loki has absolutely no ties to Marvel Television, so there is nothing to comment on. The only people who would say this are those who believe the shows aren't canon - who are wrong. It is an opinion that is contradicted by the shows themselves, behind-the-scenes comments from Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment, and now even direct crossovers. By this logic, you could argue every single MCU film is a slightly different universe. The Incredible Hulk? Captain Marvel? Shang-Chi? You can make the exact same argument for those. There's no reason to, but you could, just like how there's no reason here either. There is no reason to attribute the multiverse with Marvel Television because these shows are made to be the same universe, not a slightly different universe.
Now, no matter how many times they crossover and connect with these shows in very direct ways, you're going to get people who say that it's a different universe that's 99% the same.
Daredevil (thus, The Defenders Saga) connects to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which connects to Agent Carter, Inhumans and Runaways, which connects to Cloak & Dagger, which connects to Luke Cage and Daredevil (thus, the Defenders Saga).
This random guy stating his "opinion" should not be included on what is otherwise an entirely informative page. 2A02:C7C:467D:EF00:B5DC:5640:63FE:1E38 ( talk) 20:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey, the short description is showing as "0000 American TV series or program" so seems to be pulling from the infobox and not being overridden by the template at the top with "none", anyone know why please? Indagate ( talk) 19:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
This page intentionally has no description.for me. You may need to purge your cache. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
disney+ japan released an updated release schedule for 2023 and it does not include Echo, What If season 2 and Agatha:Coven of Chaos. any thoughts? 223.233.27.215 ( talk) 14:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Is helstrom canon because sources in the web is saying it's not canon however it's in the mcu wiki so is it canon or not or is it like in the mcu but barely noticed XTRM XPRT KILR ( talk) 10:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
The consensus formed at the Helstrom article doesn't necessarily equate equally to this article, or the Adventure into Fear one, as both of these serve vastly different purposes. This list, and to an extent the AiF one, are meant to be overview articles, including all attempts by Marvel Television. Thus, its section is justified for inclusion here as is all the prose included in it. This article and its sections need to help serve readers to navigate them to this info; excluding it fully would be a disservice to them. And we are accurately stating in both the lead and the section that nothing further ever came of the AiF series, though we could possibly include an additional sentence here with the sources from Helstrom noting it becoming further disconnected from the MCU upon release. But in short, as formatted, the info is correct to feature here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
While this is not meant to replace discussion, nor are changes made through a strict count of votes, I am hoping to present my proposed lead rewording to !votes. I've come up with edits that I hope will satisfy all involved:
The consensus is here that AoF should remain on this article given its WP:REALWORLD background and original intent for what it would be for Marvel Television. And upon further thinking about these changes myself, I think this is the way to go, as it keeps the section here (as I believe it should be), but by removing the overview table, the page is not exclaiming "this is 100% MCU" as we have the comments that it ultimately became very loosely, if at all, connected after its original intent. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
I strongly advise against setting up any poll before we get an RFC going so we can arrive at a workable solution based on the outcomeThat is what this informal poll attempted to do, an attempt to present a workable solution to the matter for those who participated so far or any others. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
"Variety has learned exclusively that Luna will star in the recently announced Hulu live-action series based on the comic book character. This will mark the second time that Luna has played Ghost Rider, previously appearing as the character in the ABC-Marvel series “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” However, sources stress that this will be a completely new iteration of the character in no way connected to the “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” storyline.", while Entertainment Weekly states
"According to Hulu, this isn’t a traditional spin-off of S.H.I.E.L.D. but will focus on the “same character with [a] new story that lives unto its own.”", and this is from an interview with Loeb and The Beat:
"Speaking of Ghostrider, Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb insisted the upcoming series is not a direct spinoff of S.H.I.E.L.D. Fans should not view it as an extension of one to the other. Luna is still the same character who happened to have an adventure with the cast of S.H.I.E.L.D., “and that will be referenced,” but the show is “definitely its own thing.”"It was still intended to be the same character and reference SHIELD, but be a new iteration not connected to the SHIELD storyline and not a direct spin-off of that. No where does it explicitly state from the sources or creatives/studio/streamer that it is not in the MCU franchise, which does not have a single timeline or reality for canon. To infer that because Ghost Rider was intentionally not planned to connect to the AoS storyline while featuring the same character with a new iteration therefore means that another show part of the same sub-franchise is not in the MCU is WP:Original research. I do believe we need to lay out all of this info from the sources in the AiF article, in the Development and Ghost Rider sections. We cannot possibly determine from conflicting sources of information one or another is true, so we must remain WP:Neutral and present all of the facts. Regardless of its canonicity in the MCU fictional universe, Helstrom and the other planned AiF series were made for the MCU franchise, which these articles reflect from the WP:REALWORLD perspective. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 22:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
ChimaFan12 There is not any consensus for you to remove the Helstrom section. Please stop doing so. A potential solution to how the info is stated here has been presented above which did gain some support outside of yourself, so I highly recommend you either reconsider accepting that solution, or present an alternative to it in the similar vein for others to consider, instead of continuing your editing which at this point has become quite WP:DISRUPTIVE. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 01:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
a lot of the edits I try to get passed that are reverted when I do it are accepted when someone does it nearly verbatim to what I didPlease point out where another editor since July has removed the Helstrom section. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 02:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Is there a reason it's not here? I feel there must be some reason it's not, so I'm not going to edit it in, but every source I can see says it is MarkiPoli ( talk) 23:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
it belongs there", as has been explained and via consensus through the several discussions via the FAQ. It has not been dubbed a full-fledged "television series", "limited series", or "miniseries" by Marvel or Disney+. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 15:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
They could be" is not a justification. Marvel has not called them a "
television series of shorts". They have only used "
series of shorts" and "
series of short films". There has been enough reason provided to you already by multiple editors. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 17:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
a collection of shorts", and the poster uses "
Original shirts" opposed to "Original series". Also, just because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS on Wikipedia does not mean the same should automatically be the same for something else. Pixar and Marvel are two different studios with different creatives and personnel. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 17:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
by virtue of being a television series" does not mean it is a television series, and Marvel not calling it a television series does not mean we can call it such. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 19:46, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
It is my understanding that I Am Groot was initially included and then excluded from this article because the "short films" wording was key in the announcement. After taking some time to further contemplate this, I don't think a complete exclusion is necessarily productive, and there may be a further incentive to include them than there is to not. Just like how it was initially listed under the "Tie-in media" header at the Phase articles before a discussion found it sufficient to move it up from that, this may be a wake-up call, if you will. I had thought the reason the I Am Groot series of shorts was excluded was because we were treating them like the Special Presentations, although, it got me thinking that a brief overview would not be a disservice to our readers as to explain the short series' relation to Marvel Studios' other series, if you will, with a brief summary of what they are, as well as noting them in the lead along with the specials, as we do in the Phase articles. I have arranged such additions to this article in my sandbox. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)