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Chairhandlers and anyone interested. This is about a sentence in the last episode.
I changed it to
and was reverted.
My reasoning is that there is nothing in that scene that makes this a Pocket universe, it´s only described as "nothing". The term indicates something under/part of the regular universe, and the point of Mums storyline is to get away from god´s creation (similar to Lucifer in the comic, but that´s beside the point). And so my version is slightly better, but I´m sure tweakings are possible, "portal" instead of "rift" etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC) I agree with that reasoning. But what do I know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.108.27 ( talk) 19:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@
Jdavi333: I'll start a discussion here - please allow the status quo to remain while we discuss this and gain a consensus, especially given that only one editor (you) has thus far had an issue with it. Per the currently-standing consensus of the Television WikiProject, an episode can be listed as a row if two pieces of information are available (e.g. title/writer, title/director, title/full date, director/writer, etc.) You stated that If there is no episode name and/or no air date announced, there is no point in it being listed
- three of of the four episodes do have titles. For all we know the episodes could air in a diff order or something
- this is why their episode order, both overall and within the season, are listed as TBA. The episode information is available, we just don't know when it'll air, so we can list it, just without an order. --
Alex
TW
01:37, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Ella was *not* cheating at blackjack. She was caught for playing at a casino that she had been banned from for Card Counting. I'd like suggestions for rewording. Naraht ( talk) 01:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
I see someone added the bonus episodes to the end of season 3. Are we sure that’s the best place for them? 3.24 was clearly made to be the season finale and it doesn’t seem that those episodes will build on that story so placing them there without any context is a bit confusing. They were meant to be added to an unproduced season so perhaps we should leave them in their own section like we did before, though I’m not sure what their official status is. Thoughts? Dhalh ( talk) 22:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
|last_aired=
in the infobox is for the "first air date of the show's last episode on its original network". That doesn't necessarily have to be the finale. If the held-over episodes are subsequently aired by Fox then |last_aired=
should be updated to reflect that. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Should they not be included in the season 3 table? I would imagine when Warner Bros releases on DVD and Blu Ray they'll be a part of the third season collection. Esuka323 ( talk) 16:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
FTR, it makes no sense not to include those episode under "season #3" – they were produced in the season #3 production batch, and will end up actually airing as part of "season 3" (it makes no difference what the original plans were – plans change in Hollywood, as they often do). Totally agree with Aussie that the "last aired" date for both the series, and for season #3, should be "May 28, 2018". -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 01:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Just passing through to give my thoughts: If they were not intended to be aired as part of season 3 before the cancellation and are only being called bonus episodes, then they should be kept separate as they are now. There may have been an argument to combine them with the third season if this series had not previously moved episodes produced for one season to air as part of another. If Fox were to word it as they were extending season 3 then maybe, but from what I have seen they are referring to bonus episodes that are not considered part of any season. - adamstom97 ( talk) 04:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
To me I think they should be a part of the table because they were produced per the third season production but were later held for what they were hoping would be a fourth season. It could be for a number of reasons, maybe Fox just wanted to wrap up their Monday lineup on May 14 as The Resident concluded on the same day too. Maybe the show was canceled because the Fox network will be an independent entity after the Disney buyout and they have their own strategy going forward. But it doesn't change that both episodes were filmed along with the rest of the third season episodes. Esuka323 ( talk) 14:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
"Airdate is irrelevant to the nature of the episodes."is in fact false...) And based on when these "bonus" episodes are airing, they are "bonus" episodes to season #3 (i.e. as part of the 2017–18 U.S. TV season), and should be listed there. Again, the details about what was "intended", versus what actually transpired, can be handled in notes, or in prose. But these should be listed under season #3, for all of the reasons already outlined. Keeping them out at this point is simply pedantic. Also, here's at least one secondary source that that refers to these episodes as "Season 3 episodes". -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 04:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. As I said before, I think (prob. inline) notes are the best suggestion, likely along with added prose. In this situation, I suggest putting the prose about this below the table, as that puts it closest to the episodes in question... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
With the revival news, I've gone ahead and made some format changes, including the "Bonus episodes" header, but I moved the explaining text to an inline note, so that it could be included in the overview table and the parent article, and not need to be duplicated as prose and an inline note. Is that alright? Cheers. -- Alex TW 04:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Is that worthy of doing? Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 22:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Added a split tag for discussion here. Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 21:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
My bad about thinking it was 400 words or less. Misread MOS:TVPLOT which said 400 was the limit for an episode article and 200 for a list. I will fix that. I think others may be a little over 200 that are not tagged as well. I may go through that. Also, yes I need to pare down 5.4 but it is an episode that might deserve its own article: It Never Ends Well for the Chicken Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 20:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I streamlined the plot summary of season 5, episode 15. There's a lot going on in that episode, so it wasn't easy. I'll leave it to someone else to decide whether the "summary is too long and detailed" tag should be removed. DJKuulA ( talk) 00:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Lucifer 121.75.250.105 ( talk) 11:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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Chairhandlers and anyone interested. This is about a sentence in the last episode.
I changed it to
and was reverted.
My reasoning is that there is nothing in that scene that makes this a Pocket universe, it´s only described as "nothing". The term indicates something under/part of the regular universe, and the point of Mums storyline is to get away from god´s creation (similar to Lucifer in the comic, but that´s beside the point). And so my version is slightly better, but I´m sure tweakings are possible, "portal" instead of "rift" etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 15:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC) I agree with that reasoning. But what do I know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.226.108.27 ( talk) 19:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@
Jdavi333: I'll start a discussion here - please allow the status quo to remain while we discuss this and gain a consensus, especially given that only one editor (you) has thus far had an issue with it. Per the currently-standing consensus of the Television WikiProject, an episode can be listed as a row if two pieces of information are available (e.g. title/writer, title/director, title/full date, director/writer, etc.) You stated that If there is no episode name and/or no air date announced, there is no point in it being listed
- three of of the four episodes do have titles. For all we know the episodes could air in a diff order or something
- this is why their episode order, both overall and within the season, are listed as TBA. The episode information is available, we just don't know when it'll air, so we can list it, just without an order. --
Alex
TW
01:37, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Ella was *not* cheating at blackjack. She was caught for playing at a casino that she had been banned from for Card Counting. I'd like suggestions for rewording. Naraht ( talk) 01:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
I see someone added the bonus episodes to the end of season 3. Are we sure that’s the best place for them? 3.24 was clearly made to be the season finale and it doesn’t seem that those episodes will build on that story so placing them there without any context is a bit confusing. They were meant to be added to an unproduced season so perhaps we should leave them in their own section like we did before, though I’m not sure what their official status is. Thoughts? Dhalh ( talk) 22:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
|last_aired=
in the infobox is for the "first air date of the show's last episode on its original network". That doesn't necessarily have to be the finale. If the held-over episodes are subsequently aired by Fox then |last_aired=
should be updated to reflect that. --
AussieLegend (
✉)
11:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Should they not be included in the season 3 table? I would imagine when Warner Bros releases on DVD and Blu Ray they'll be a part of the third season collection. Esuka323 ( talk) 16:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
FTR, it makes no sense not to include those episode under "season #3" – they were produced in the season #3 production batch, and will end up actually airing as part of "season 3" (it makes no difference what the original plans were – plans change in Hollywood, as they often do). Totally agree with Aussie that the "last aired" date for both the series, and for season #3, should be "May 28, 2018". -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 01:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Just passing through to give my thoughts: If they were not intended to be aired as part of season 3 before the cancellation and are only being called bonus episodes, then they should be kept separate as they are now. There may have been an argument to combine them with the third season if this series had not previously moved episodes produced for one season to air as part of another. If Fox were to word it as they were extending season 3 then maybe, but from what I have seen they are referring to bonus episodes that are not considered part of any season. - adamstom97 ( talk) 04:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
To me I think they should be a part of the table because they were produced per the third season production but were later held for what they were hoping would be a fourth season. It could be for a number of reasons, maybe Fox just wanted to wrap up their Monday lineup on May 14 as The Resident concluded on the same day too. Maybe the show was canceled because the Fox network will be an independent entity after the Disney buyout and they have their own strategy going forward. But it doesn't change that both episodes were filmed along with the rest of the third season episodes. Esuka323 ( talk) 14:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
"Airdate is irrelevant to the nature of the episodes."is in fact false...) And based on when these "bonus" episodes are airing, they are "bonus" episodes to season #3 (i.e. as part of the 2017–18 U.S. TV season), and should be listed there. Again, the details about what was "intended", versus what actually transpired, can be handled in notes, or in prose. But these should be listed under season #3, for all of the reasons already outlined. Keeping them out at this point is simply pedantic. Also, here's at least one secondary source that that refers to these episodes as "Season 3 episodes". -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 04:26, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. As I said before, I think (prob. inline) notes are the best suggestion, likely along with added prose. In this situation, I suggest putting the prose about this below the table, as that puts it closest to the episodes in question... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
With the revival news, I've gone ahead and made some format changes, including the "Bonus episodes" header, but I moved the explaining text to an inline note, so that it could be included in the overview table and the parent article, and not need to be duplicated as prose and an inline note. Is that alright? Cheers. -- Alex TW 04:26, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Is that worthy of doing? Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 22:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Added a split tag for discussion here. Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 21:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
My bad about thinking it was 400 words or less. Misread MOS:TVPLOT which said 400 was the limit for an episode article and 200 for a list. I will fix that. I think others may be a little over 200 that are not tagged as well. I may go through that. Also, yes I need to pare down 5.4 but it is an episode that might deserve its own article: It Never Ends Well for the Chicken Someone in SoCal Area ( talk) 20:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I streamlined the plot summary of season 5, episode 15. There's a lot going on in that episode, so it wasn't easy. I'll leave it to someone else to decide whether the "summary is too long and detailed" tag should be removed. DJKuulA ( talk) 00:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Lucifer 121.75.250.105 ( talk) 11:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)