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While the existence of this article may be an issue itself, it seems like we have an issue regarding the inclusion of the people listed here. While they all appear to be American, for many it does not seem like there is any other conclusion that the person listed is Jewish, other than having Jewish parents or ancestors. Are there any other editors who are across this issue? Onetwothreeip ( talk) 05:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
the article List of LGBT Jews defines by
This is a list of LGBT Jews. Each person is both Jewish (by birth or conversion according to Jewish law, or identifies as Jewish via ancestry) and has stated publicly that they are [...]
Alan Faena, for example, was interviewed by The Forward in May 2019: link
[The Forward] Has anyone ever made your Jewishness an issue in your business dealings? [Faena] No, [...]
Tnnnbm ( talk) 09:12, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
... the Jewish Telegraphic Agency is a 'unreliable' source? c'mon. regarding Charles Revson, which u also recently removed because he didn't stated "I'm a Jew" -- ever looked at his foundation? no "meaningful connection" here at all? for Mr. Zyman, please also remove him from the list of Mexican Jews, since he's only a heritage, not a 'real one'. Tnnnbm ( talk) 08:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
'Ideally, the best source of this information is a SELF-IDENTIFICATION by the person themselves, however, SOURCES MAY identify the person as Jewish by virtue of one or more parents being Jewish or by conversion to Judaism." Not sure what you are saying. If the sources identify someone as Jewish, then they are. We just have to be aware of what they are saying. Patapsco913 ( talk) 21:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
This is a reliable source. Patapsco913 ( talk) 21:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Patapsco913, Jayjg, and Peyna:
as the page is too blown-up, WP:SPLIT is suitable, are you OK hereby?
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Tnnnbm ( talk) 09:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Patapsco913 and Onetwothreeip: well, even if some inclusion/sourcing issues still remain, as Onetwothreeip noted, splitting should promptly take place, as loading/rendering time of this page is greatly logy. i agree having shorter page names is worthwhole, but let's keep the term 'businesspeople' to preserve order.
List of Jewish American businesspeople
List of Jewish American businesspeople in finance
List of Jewish American businesspeople in media
List of Jewish American businesspeople in real estate
List of Jewish American businesspeople in retail
(for content allocation, see above)
afterwards, let's fix the issues by providing {{better source}} Tnnnbm ( talk) 07:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
All entries should be accompanied by a reliable source identifying the individual as Jewish. For more on why reliable sources may consider a person Jewish, please see Who is a Jew? — ideally, the best source of this information is a self-identification by the person themselves, however, sources may identify the person as Jewish by virtue of one or more parents being Jewish or by conversion to Judaism.
part is much more targeted to editors than regular viewers - what about putting this into a editnotice? Resp., adjusting (the existing one) Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Jewish American businesspeople? (<- [how] is it possible to include this into the splitted pages? @ Onetwothreeip: a admin-only thing?)
Tnnnbm ( talk) 06:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC) Tnnnbm splitting the list is an ok idea, though it means five lists must be monitored for spurious/unsourced additions, rather than one. Jayjg (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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While the existence of this article may be an issue itself, it seems like we have an issue regarding the inclusion of the people listed here. While they all appear to be American, for many it does not seem like there is any other conclusion that the person listed is Jewish, other than having Jewish parents or ancestors. Are there any other editors who are across this issue? Onetwothreeip ( talk) 05:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
the article List of LGBT Jews defines by
This is a list of LGBT Jews. Each person is both Jewish (by birth or conversion according to Jewish law, or identifies as Jewish via ancestry) and has stated publicly that they are [...]
Alan Faena, for example, was interviewed by The Forward in May 2019: link
[The Forward] Has anyone ever made your Jewishness an issue in your business dealings? [Faena] No, [...]
Tnnnbm ( talk) 09:12, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
... the Jewish Telegraphic Agency is a 'unreliable' source? c'mon. regarding Charles Revson, which u also recently removed because he didn't stated "I'm a Jew" -- ever looked at his foundation? no "meaningful connection" here at all? for Mr. Zyman, please also remove him from the list of Mexican Jews, since he's only a heritage, not a 'real one'. Tnnnbm ( talk) 08:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
'Ideally, the best source of this information is a SELF-IDENTIFICATION by the person themselves, however, SOURCES MAY identify the person as Jewish by virtue of one or more parents being Jewish or by conversion to Judaism." Not sure what you are saying. If the sources identify someone as Jewish, then they are. We just have to be aware of what they are saying. Patapsco913 ( talk) 21:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
This is a reliable source. Patapsco913 ( talk) 21:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Patapsco913, Jayjg, and Peyna:
as the page is too blown-up, WP:SPLIT is suitable, are you OK hereby?
______
Tnnnbm ( talk) 09:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Patapsco913 and Onetwothreeip: well, even if some inclusion/sourcing issues still remain, as Onetwothreeip noted, splitting should promptly take place, as loading/rendering time of this page is greatly logy. i agree having shorter page names is worthwhole, but let's keep the term 'businesspeople' to preserve order.
List of Jewish American businesspeople
List of Jewish American businesspeople in finance
List of Jewish American businesspeople in media
List of Jewish American businesspeople in real estate
List of Jewish American businesspeople in retail
(for content allocation, see above)
afterwards, let's fix the issues by providing {{better source}} Tnnnbm ( talk) 07:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
All entries should be accompanied by a reliable source identifying the individual as Jewish. For more on why reliable sources may consider a person Jewish, please see Who is a Jew? — ideally, the best source of this information is a self-identification by the person themselves, however, sources may identify the person as Jewish by virtue of one or more parents being Jewish or by conversion to Judaism.
part is much more targeted to editors than regular viewers - what about putting this into a editnotice? Resp., adjusting (the existing one) Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Jewish American businesspeople? (<- [how] is it possible to include this into the splitted pages? @ Onetwothreeip: a admin-only thing?)
Tnnnbm ( talk) 06:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC) Tnnnbm splitting the list is an ok idea, though it means five lists must be monitored for spurious/unsourced additions, rather than one. Jayjg (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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