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I have reversed the deletion of the morse code translations of the title sequence.
I beleive the placement of this information here is the best place. It does not belong on the main Jericho page as a list it will make the page very long. It also does not belong on a separate page as it is a fork that is un-nessesary. It also seems (we are only 4 episodes in) that each translation will be different and seems to be about that specific episode. To address the inevitable claim of original research, the morse code is simply a comunication in another "language" just as the chinese characters on the broadcast map were included as a translation in the main article.-- Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 14:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr Fenton, you seem very protective of this page. Anytime that changes are made to the table that do not reflect your esthetic style you reverse them with out any discussion. The esthetic issues are simply the way you see the article on your screen. The display is effected by each individual viewer's a) screen size, b) window size, c) font size and d) screen resolution. The reversal of content has happended with:
I would suggest your behavour seems indicitive of you believing you own this article. I would suggest reading over WP:OWN. The changes people have made are them being bold and while you may not like the things done, I think it is incumbent that you should discuss these things rather then just delete them.-- Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 18:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
IMHO shouldn't this TV show have those kind of episode-intro-info details set up in the same way as, say, The Simpsons or Futurama intro bits?
Okay, this might be a tad nitpicky of me, but it's in my horrible Virgo nature so I can't help it. Can we please remember that, when typing, you need to doublespace after sentence-ending punctuation? My perfectionistic, constantly-proofreading eyes keep catching missing spaces at the end of sentences in the episode synopses, and I can't stop myself from correcting them. It would be one thing if it was every once in a while, or just the odd typo here and there, but it's a constant, pervasive thing. 199.79.222.119 18:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Tsk. Some things *never* change around here. Matthew goes off on a wanton edit spree, gets called down on it, and Will steps up to be his savior and throw his admin weight around to back it up. Even though Matthew's right about the double-spacing after the punctuation, it still escapes that he doesn't realize that the way he handles himself - editing without explaining and/or hiding behind some obteuse Wikirule like mentioning the rule should make his edits unchallengable - it is what shoots his boat through the magazine and sinks it out from under him. At the same time, I can't help but wonder if his overconfidence has something to do with the fact that he and his savior, Will, re both teenage schoolboys in Englandland and are good friends?
Sorry, but I smell very severe "Old Boys' Network" bias going on here, people, and if Godwin were here - yes, I know him very well - he'd make the same observation.
Bit accusations aside, I'm going to make a passioned plea here to both Matthew and Will: Please, you two - the season's about to start anew. The two of you kindly keep the Wikinazi games out of it this time and don't ruin it for everyone else like you did during the first half. I can see stepping in when things get out of hand, but this bit about double-spacing is so fracking anal that it's just too damn disgusting to tolerate, regardless of what "admin" games Will will attempt to play. This time, act like adults, and don't screw things up for everyone else here, ok? Enough's enough. If you want to guide, fine, but acting like a couple of little Hitlers just won't work. Sixty Six 06:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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Tweaked these a little this morning as some of the earlier ones still read like coming attractions. I also added in episode 11, although we don't know much about it yet, except that it's their season-ending cliffhanger for the fall. 205.188.117.5 14:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Does it make sense to add the Feb 14 and Feb 21 episodes to the list? We don't have titles, but we know that the Feb 14 episode is a recap, and that Feb 21 focuses on the day before the attacks. I'd say Feb 14 probably doesn't count as an episode for numbering purposes. 205.188.117.5 00:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Preview clips available on whodroppedthebomb.com are available for Episodes 12 (recap - what is actually going on during the series of rapid fire scenes is speculative of course) and Episode 13 (short clip where Jake, his father, Dale and Heather drive into Black Jack Fairgrounds which has been turned into trading post - the clip ends with a sighting of a theif hanging from a gallows.
How do we know the titles of the two February episodes? Would someone cite them -- Zr2d2 02:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the guidelines for an LOE, production codes should be part of each season. I am adding them a second time, since for some reason they were deleted. — Cliff smith 03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I earnestly look forward to the person who made this claim (in the edit history) supporting said claim with documentation, justification, or rationale. Aside from user comments, submissions are reviewed by IMDb database editors: "They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update." If there is a Wikipedia policy on same, let it also be quoted. 209.244.187.29 09:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Has the morse code for "Return to Jericho" been translated, and is there an appropriate place to post it, given the (understandable) lack of an episode page? -- Toby Rush ‹ ✆| ✍ › 14:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
They should really have citations so that they can be attributed to a reliable source. Cliff smith 01:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed most my other shows around this time have been updated on Wikipedia in regards to if they are being renewed for another season or not, both new shows and old ones. I don't see anything on that here though. Am I just missing it, or has it not been revealed if another season of Jericho will follow this one? this was just posted on the CBS Jericho wiki..."Question:
Future of Show Is episode 23 the season finale, or the series finale?
Producer's Response:
Episode 22, entitled “Why We Fight,” is most definitely not a series finale! In fact, by the time it’s over, you’ll have some great clues about where our story is headed in its second season.
74.69.159.42 05:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
And do you really need to post that on every episode list talk page?--
Kamikaze
18:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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-- Ned Scott 18:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
All are missing or no longer linked from main article. No indication of deletion or other changes on history page. No references to deletion. No invoking of orphaned images, fair use problems, etc. No indication of any images marked for speedy deletion criteria. No discussion of any of this here, no link to any discussion of it elsewhere. This would seem to be poor etiquette at best. Explanation requested. 209.247.22.62 06:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The Casus belli summary links to an article about this subject in general, and not to Casus belli (Jericho episode). Could someone who knows how to please fix this? Safebreaker ( talk) 15:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Cloud02 has added the weekly Morse code text to the table. I'd like to retain it for several reasons. First off, it doesn't make the table any bigger and fills up some dead space in the "Title" column. Perhaps more importantly, however, it allows readers to see how the text is related from week to week. (For example, it is a lot easier to see the connection between "IT BEGINS WITH", "6 AND ENDS WITH", and "BLOODSHED" in this table than from flipping between articles. Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
i have discovered the morse codes are linked together to tell you something, here is a list of the morse code stuff
JERICHO FALLO
JERICHO THREE
HE KNOWS ROB
THERE IS A FIRE THE EMP HITS
PRAY FOR NYC
ROB NOT FBI
AOV SURPRISE
IT BEGINS WITH
6 AND ENDS WITH
BLOODSHED
BLEEDING KS
4 DOWN 4 TO GO
THEY WILL NEED IT
A COSTLY DEAL
ROB EXPOSED
WHO RAN RED BELL
ONE GOT AWAY
WE PLEDGE
ALLEGIANCE
TO THE FLAG
i am assuming the next one will be of the united states, there are 2 groups that say something so perhaps more can be linked to tell something. like a story, or a fact. --
Superchad
02:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)superchad
The last episode "Patriots and Tyrants" was labeled "Series Finale". According to http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/paramount_network/original/release?id=251&dpid=70&rid=18150, which is one of the references for this page, this is the "Season Finale" not the "Series Finale" (ie the end of the show in the entirety). Thus, based on the primary sources for this page, it is only the end of this (half-) year's run.
I have thus changed this to "Season Finale".
This is a USA produced show, so one uses "Season Finale" to indicate the end of a year's run; "series finale" means the last episode of the entire program(me). I realize this differs from UK usage.
Please stop reverting "Season Finale" to "Series Finale", unless you have a reliable and documentable source that this is the absolute last episode of this show, and are going to reference such evidence.
This caused me no end of consternation as I thought it meant "Patriots and Tyrants" was supposed to be the absolute last episode of the entire show. This is not the case. According to references #2 and #3, there are more in production.
Chevalier3 ( talk) 19:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Except the show was cancelled on March 21st, meaning Patriots & Tyrants was in fact actually the Series Finale/last episode ever, which makes this whole rant kind of redundant. Here's a link to the notice of cancellation: http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Cbs-Cancels-Jericho/800036005
I agree with Chevalier3, because this is a USA-based show, "Season Finale" is more fitting. Do you all think it would make more sense if everyone just used these terms the way the Americans use it. I personally think it'd be more more universal if you were to use these terms literally. -- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 03:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
At present the individual episodes consist almost entirely of in-universe plot summaries. With the exception of the pilot, all episode articles fail WP:EPISODE. It is likely that each individual episode of a television series will not be notable on its own, simply because there are not enough secondary sources available. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) explains further:
When an article is created, the subject's real-world notability should be established according to the general notability guideline by including independent reliable secondary sources — this will also ensure that there is enough source material for the article to be comprehensive and factually accurate.
Episode lists pages must still be notable, and contain out-of-universe context, and not merely be a list of episode titles or cast and crew: Wikipedia is not a directory.
Therefore individual episodes should be merged and redirected to List of Jericho episodes. McWomble ( talk) 05:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
All these articles just contain plot. I support the merge. The list of episodes is nice. I would only add viewership for each episode if it was possible to find it somewhere. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 11:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I oppose the merge. Kuralyov ( talk) 06:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Just about every major TV show has summaries for every single episode, Wiki has always done that. People want it and there's no reason to get rid of them besides "cause we said so". I definitely oppose merging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.67.87 ( talk) 01:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I vote against the merge! Are1981 ( talk) 23:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. There is more information than just plot within each episode article, such as on-screen cast and crew information. Cowbert ( talk) 09:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Please don't use "Subst" on merge templates. {{
Mergeto|List of Jericho episodes}}
is what is needed. Subst breaks a load of stuff sooner or later.
Rich
Farmbrough, 17:18 7 December 2008 (UTC).
What is the rationale behind removing the morse code and summary for each episode? I am strongly tempted to reverse the edits to this page to bring them back as there does not seem to have been any discussion or reason given.
Aine ( talk) 15:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with the split in two separate articles. This is a full season and 6 more episodes we are talking about. We can fit in a single article. It's easier for readers. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 21:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone had changed the title of the first episode, removing the quote marks (which every other title has), with the comment "'pilot' is a description, not a title)". But still, he left Pilot in the title slot, so I don't know what the point of that was. Looking at the press release from CBS we see:
SKEET ULRICH, GERALD McRANEY, PAMELA REED, LENNIE JAMES, ASHLEY SCOTT, SPRAGUE GRAYDEN, MICHAEL GASTON, BRAD BEYER, KENNETH MITCHELL, ERIK KNUDSEN AND SHOSHANNAH STERN STAR IN "JERICHO," A NEW DRAMA PREMIERING WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 20 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"Pilot" -- Skeet Ulrich, Gerald McRaney,....
-- So CBS seems to think "Pilot" is the title. Interestingly, I found this at TVGuide: Jericho Episode: "Pilot: The First 17 Hours"; but haven't seen this cited anywhere else.
Anyway, very many series have "Pilot" as the first episode title. It's treated as a "title" the same as any of the following ones. Titles ARE descriptions of a kind anyway. Barsoomian ( talk) 13:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
It seems someone is going thorough all the separate articles for Jericho episodes and deleting them, without any discussion. Currently the first 9 episodes have been deleted (technically "redirected", but it amounts to the same thing). Anyone want to respond to this? Barsoomian ( talk) 01:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I came here looking for a merge discussion and found this one, so I may as well join in. To begin with, Donde raises some good points and, having seen some of the articles still proposed for merging, I am compelled to agree with her/him. The individual episode articles are currently little more than plot summaries. Some date back to March 2008 so there has been ample time for interested editors to turn them into something encyclopedic. Furthermore, although there is indeed "no need to settle it right now", some of these articles have been proposed for merging since as far back as December 2008. (To put this in perspective, there are now only two articles on WP with merge proposals dated prior to that month.) Accordingly, I think that all the Jericho episodes should be merged and redirected into this article. If, in the future, substantial noteworthy information is added, then the idea of separate articles can be revisited. Regarding the pilot episode, the reception sections will be just as useful in this article as in a separate one. Claret Ash 12:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The separate episode articles could do with more external references. I've added excerpts from several reviews to the respective "Reception" sections
Sources:
Please add any other sources of substantial reviews here. Books, newspapers, journals preferably. Barsoomian ( talk) 12:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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I have reversed the deletion of the morse code translations of the title sequence.
I beleive the placement of this information here is the best place. It does not belong on the main Jericho page as a list it will make the page very long. It also does not belong on a separate page as it is a fork that is un-nessesary. It also seems (we are only 4 episodes in) that each translation will be different and seems to be about that specific episode. To address the inevitable claim of original research, the morse code is simply a comunication in another "language" just as the chinese characters on the broadcast map were included as a translation in the main article.-- Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 14:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr Fenton, you seem very protective of this page. Anytime that changes are made to the table that do not reflect your esthetic style you reverse them with out any discussion. The esthetic issues are simply the way you see the article on your screen. The display is effected by each individual viewer's a) screen size, b) window size, c) font size and d) screen resolution. The reversal of content has happended with:
I would suggest your behavour seems indicitive of you believing you own this article. I would suggest reading over WP:OWN. The changes people have made are them being bold and while you may not like the things done, I think it is incumbent that you should discuss these things rather then just delete them.-- Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 18:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
IMHO shouldn't this TV show have those kind of episode-intro-info details set up in the same way as, say, The Simpsons or Futurama intro bits?
Okay, this might be a tad nitpicky of me, but it's in my horrible Virgo nature so I can't help it. Can we please remember that, when typing, you need to doublespace after sentence-ending punctuation? My perfectionistic, constantly-proofreading eyes keep catching missing spaces at the end of sentences in the episode synopses, and I can't stop myself from correcting them. It would be one thing if it was every once in a while, or just the odd typo here and there, but it's a constant, pervasive thing. 199.79.222.119 18:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Tsk. Some things *never* change around here. Matthew goes off on a wanton edit spree, gets called down on it, and Will steps up to be his savior and throw his admin weight around to back it up. Even though Matthew's right about the double-spacing after the punctuation, it still escapes that he doesn't realize that the way he handles himself - editing without explaining and/or hiding behind some obteuse Wikirule like mentioning the rule should make his edits unchallengable - it is what shoots his boat through the magazine and sinks it out from under him. At the same time, I can't help but wonder if his overconfidence has something to do with the fact that he and his savior, Will, re both teenage schoolboys in Englandland and are good friends?
Sorry, but I smell very severe "Old Boys' Network" bias going on here, people, and if Godwin were here - yes, I know him very well - he'd make the same observation.
Bit accusations aside, I'm going to make a passioned plea here to both Matthew and Will: Please, you two - the season's about to start anew. The two of you kindly keep the Wikinazi games out of it this time and don't ruin it for everyone else like you did during the first half. I can see stepping in when things get out of hand, but this bit about double-spacing is so fracking anal that it's just too damn disgusting to tolerate, regardless of what "admin" games Will will attempt to play. This time, act like adults, and don't screw things up for everyone else here, ok? Enough's enough. If you want to guide, fine, but acting like a couple of little Hitlers just won't work. Sixty Six 06:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the Chicago Manual of Style (CMS), the double spacing was originally used as a way to ensure characters didn't get crammed together. With the advent of the word processors and the computerization, the need for double-spacing was rendered to be only user preference. Please feel free to contact CMS and browse their frequently asked questions page for specifics on this obviously touchy topic. Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Tweaked these a little this morning as some of the earlier ones still read like coming attractions. I also added in episode 11, although we don't know much about it yet, except that it's their season-ending cliffhanger for the fall. 205.188.117.5 14:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Does it make sense to add the Feb 14 and Feb 21 episodes to the list? We don't have titles, but we know that the Feb 14 episode is a recap, and that Feb 21 focuses on the day before the attacks. I'd say Feb 14 probably doesn't count as an episode for numbering purposes. 205.188.117.5 00:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Preview clips available on whodroppedthebomb.com are available for Episodes 12 (recap - what is actually going on during the series of rapid fire scenes is speculative of course) and Episode 13 (short clip where Jake, his father, Dale and Heather drive into Black Jack Fairgrounds which has been turned into trading post - the clip ends with a sighting of a theif hanging from a gallows.
How do we know the titles of the two February episodes? Would someone cite them -- Zr2d2 02:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the guidelines for an LOE, production codes should be part of each season. I am adding them a second time, since for some reason they were deleted. — Cliff smith 03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I earnestly look forward to the person who made this claim (in the edit history) supporting said claim with documentation, justification, or rationale. Aside from user comments, submissions are reviewed by IMDb database editors: "They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update." If there is a Wikipedia policy on same, let it also be quoted. 209.244.187.29 09:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Has the morse code for "Return to Jericho" been translated, and is there an appropriate place to post it, given the (understandable) lack of an episode page? -- Toby Rush ‹ ✆| ✍ › 14:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
They should really have citations so that they can be attributed to a reliable source. Cliff smith 01:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed most my other shows around this time have been updated on Wikipedia in regards to if they are being renewed for another season or not, both new shows and old ones. I don't see anything on that here though. Am I just missing it, or has it not been revealed if another season of Jericho will follow this one? this was just posted on the CBS Jericho wiki..."Question:
Future of Show Is episode 23 the season finale, or the series finale?
Producer's Response:
Episode 22, entitled “Why We Fight,” is most definitely not a series finale! In fact, by the time it’s over, you’ll have some great clues about where our story is headed in its second season.
74.69.159.42 05:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
And do you really need to post that on every episode list talk page?--
Kamikaze
18:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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-- Ned Scott 18:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
All are missing or no longer linked from main article. No indication of deletion or other changes on history page. No references to deletion. No invoking of orphaned images, fair use problems, etc. No indication of any images marked for speedy deletion criteria. No discussion of any of this here, no link to any discussion of it elsewhere. This would seem to be poor etiquette at best. Explanation requested. 209.247.22.62 06:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The Casus belli summary links to an article about this subject in general, and not to Casus belli (Jericho episode). Could someone who knows how to please fix this? Safebreaker ( talk) 15:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Cloud02 has added the weekly Morse code text to the table. I'd like to retain it for several reasons. First off, it doesn't make the table any bigger and fills up some dead space in the "Title" column. Perhaps more importantly, however, it allows readers to see how the text is related from week to week. (For example, it is a lot easier to see the connection between "IT BEGINS WITH", "6 AND ENDS WITH", and "BLOODSHED" in this table than from flipping between articles. Thoughts? -- Ckatz chat spy 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
i have discovered the morse codes are linked together to tell you something, here is a list of the morse code stuff
JERICHO FALLO
JERICHO THREE
HE KNOWS ROB
THERE IS A FIRE THE EMP HITS
PRAY FOR NYC
ROB NOT FBI
AOV SURPRISE
IT BEGINS WITH
6 AND ENDS WITH
BLOODSHED
BLEEDING KS
4 DOWN 4 TO GO
THEY WILL NEED IT
A COSTLY DEAL
ROB EXPOSED
WHO RAN RED BELL
ONE GOT AWAY
WE PLEDGE
ALLEGIANCE
TO THE FLAG
i am assuming the next one will be of the united states, there are 2 groups that say something so perhaps more can be linked to tell something. like a story, or a fact. --
Superchad
02:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)superchad
The last episode "Patriots and Tyrants" was labeled "Series Finale". According to http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/paramount_network/original/release?id=251&dpid=70&rid=18150, which is one of the references for this page, this is the "Season Finale" not the "Series Finale" (ie the end of the show in the entirety). Thus, based on the primary sources for this page, it is only the end of this (half-) year's run.
I have thus changed this to "Season Finale".
This is a USA produced show, so one uses "Season Finale" to indicate the end of a year's run; "series finale" means the last episode of the entire program(me). I realize this differs from UK usage.
Please stop reverting "Season Finale" to "Series Finale", unless you have a reliable and documentable source that this is the absolute last episode of this show, and are going to reference such evidence.
This caused me no end of consternation as I thought it meant "Patriots and Tyrants" was supposed to be the absolute last episode of the entire show. This is not the case. According to references #2 and #3, there are more in production.
Chevalier3 ( talk) 19:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Except the show was cancelled on March 21st, meaning Patriots & Tyrants was in fact actually the Series Finale/last episode ever, which makes this whole rant kind of redundant. Here's a link to the notice of cancellation: http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Cbs-Cancels-Jericho/800036005
I agree with Chevalier3, because this is a USA-based show, "Season Finale" is more fitting. Do you all think it would make more sense if everyone just used these terms the way the Americans use it. I personally think it'd be more more universal if you were to use these terms literally. -- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 03:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
At present the individual episodes consist almost entirely of in-universe plot summaries. With the exception of the pilot, all episode articles fail WP:EPISODE. It is likely that each individual episode of a television series will not be notable on its own, simply because there are not enough secondary sources available. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) explains further:
When an article is created, the subject's real-world notability should be established according to the general notability guideline by including independent reliable secondary sources — this will also ensure that there is enough source material for the article to be comprehensive and factually accurate.
Episode lists pages must still be notable, and contain out-of-universe context, and not merely be a list of episode titles or cast and crew: Wikipedia is not a directory.
Therefore individual episodes should be merged and redirected to List of Jericho episodes. McWomble ( talk) 05:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
All these articles just contain plot. I support the merge. The list of episodes is nice. I would only add viewership for each episode if it was possible to find it somewhere. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 11:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I oppose the merge. Kuralyov ( talk) 06:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Just about every major TV show has summaries for every single episode, Wiki has always done that. People want it and there's no reason to get rid of them besides "cause we said so". I definitely oppose merging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.67.87 ( talk) 01:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I vote against the merge! Are1981 ( talk) 23:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. There is more information than just plot within each episode article, such as on-screen cast and crew information. Cowbert ( talk) 09:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Please don't use "Subst" on merge templates. {{
Mergeto|List of Jericho episodes}}
is what is needed. Subst breaks a load of stuff sooner or later.
Rich
Farmbrough, 17:18 7 December 2008 (UTC).
What is the rationale behind removing the morse code and summary for each episode? I am strongly tempted to reverse the edits to this page to bring them back as there does not seem to have been any discussion or reason given.
Aine ( talk) 15:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with the split in two separate articles. This is a full season and 6 more episodes we are talking about. We can fit in a single article. It's easier for readers. -- Magioladitis ( talk) 21:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone had changed the title of the first episode, removing the quote marks (which every other title has), with the comment "'pilot' is a description, not a title)". But still, he left Pilot in the title slot, so I don't know what the point of that was. Looking at the press release from CBS we see:
SKEET ULRICH, GERALD McRANEY, PAMELA REED, LENNIE JAMES, ASHLEY SCOTT, SPRAGUE GRAYDEN, MICHAEL GASTON, BRAD BEYER, KENNETH MITCHELL, ERIK KNUDSEN AND SHOSHANNAH STERN STAR IN "JERICHO," A NEW DRAMA PREMIERING WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 20 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"Pilot" -- Skeet Ulrich, Gerald McRaney,....
-- So CBS seems to think "Pilot" is the title. Interestingly, I found this at TVGuide: Jericho Episode: "Pilot: The First 17 Hours"; but haven't seen this cited anywhere else.
Anyway, very many series have "Pilot" as the first episode title. It's treated as a "title" the same as any of the following ones. Titles ARE descriptions of a kind anyway. Barsoomian ( talk) 13:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
It seems someone is going thorough all the separate articles for Jericho episodes and deleting them, without any discussion. Currently the first 9 episodes have been deleted (technically "redirected", but it amounts to the same thing). Anyone want to respond to this? Barsoomian ( talk) 01:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I came here looking for a merge discussion and found this one, so I may as well join in. To begin with, Donde raises some good points and, having seen some of the articles still proposed for merging, I am compelled to agree with her/him. The individual episode articles are currently little more than plot summaries. Some date back to March 2008 so there has been ample time for interested editors to turn them into something encyclopedic. Furthermore, although there is indeed "no need to settle it right now", some of these articles have been proposed for merging since as far back as December 2008. (To put this in perspective, there are now only two articles on WP with merge proposals dated prior to that month.) Accordingly, I think that all the Jericho episodes should be merged and redirected into this article. If, in the future, substantial noteworthy information is added, then the idea of separate articles can be revisited. Regarding the pilot episode, the reception sections will be just as useful in this article as in a separate one. Claret Ash 12:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The separate episode articles could do with more external references. I've added excerpts from several reviews to the respective "Reception" sections
Sources:
Please add any other sources of substantial reviews here. Books, newspapers, journals preferably. Barsoomian ( talk) 12:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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