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Clearly, there are multiple and at times somewhat conflicting definitions of indigeneity, and this is translating into significant disagreement, particularly over the the matter of whether largely dominant cultures in areas such as Africa and the Pacific Islands can be deemed indigenous. Obviously, the end-goal basic requirement for all entries is to simply be reliably sourced a statement by a subject-matter expert. For the moment, however, while where we have numerous dominant, but only potentially indigenous populations, two pertinent further questions (based on the various definitions at our disposal) are: were these populations the first settlers, or are they an amalgam of successive waves of migration? And, if they are culturally dominant, does the population at large maintain strong ties to their ancestral tradition and culture? Any first settlers have a strong case to indigeneity, even if they remain culturally dominant to this day, but the links to tradition and culture are also key to the notion of indigenous society. In dominant populations, the likelier candidates for indigeneity may well be much smaller communities or groups within a society that have maintained clearer links to their ancestral traditions than society at large. Such groups might contrast with the wider population, which may no longer be so tied to traditional culture. This culture can be defined in a variety of ways, including through language, but language alone is not really useful in instances where you are talking about whole populations and not discrete groups. These are the sorts of questions that subject-matter experts will have asked and answered, and the answers to such questions are what we should be searching for. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Inclusion criteria
Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute. The intended purpose of this listing is to provide a survey and overview of various distinct peoples, communities and societies who may be referred to as an indigenous people, even if some other terminology may be in more common use (for example, Native American).
Not every ethnic group article or stub will warrant inclusion in this listing. The term indigenous peoples has a distinct meaning as per the main indigenous peoples article, which is more specific than the general sense of "a people or group considered native to, or originating from, a given place".
The following are criteria suggested as guidelines for determining whether any particular people or group ought to be listed here. These criteria are put forward as an attempt to forestall any need for POV-based inclusion (or exclusion), particularly in cases where the claim to identity as an indigenous people may be contentious, inconsistent or unclear.
- an indigenous people may be identified as such, where notable independent reference(s) can be found that the group's indigenous identity is either asserted or recognised as being indigenous, or some other cognate term, by either:
- some government, regulatory body, law or protocol, which may be either sub-national, national or trans-national; and/or
- some recognised body, NGO or other organisation, involved with indigenous affairs and recognised as an accredited participant, intermediary or representative in some legal, negotiative, national or international regulatory or rights-based process; and/or
- some academic and peer-reviewed literature or publication; and/or
- some representative body of the indigenous society itself, where that representation is made in respect of a claim or issue to a government or governmentally-supported organisation (eg the UN, African Union).
That source should naturally be cited on the relevant page (and perhaps here on the listing, also). Where there is (independent) contention about identifying any particular group as an indigenous people, the contention should be noted in the relevant article along with the cited reference(s) in which this contention appears. See Category talk:Indigenous peoples for some further discussion. -- cjllw TALK 04:16, 20 June 2005 (UTC)
:Source: archive link
@ Pinchme123: changed the spelling of some words from British to American, and I reverted them. Pinchme123 sees a prevalence of American spelling in the article. I think that is not so clear cut for words that do vary between those two varieties of English and are not in quotes or part of citations. I do not have a set preference (I am American). Any opinions? Donald Albury 00:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This article is deceptive, it's missing information Qwepo ( talk) 05:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Pinchme123, much of the content in the section South Asia is completely unsourced. Indo-Europeans are not considered indigenous to South Asia, ( Kalash people only speak an Indo-European language but have an indigenous isolate ancestry). Additionally, all Adivasis too are not indigenous to the subcontinent, rather the term refers to both indigenous and non-indigenous tribal groups. PadFoot2008 16:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
The Assamese are Indo-Europeans, a group not indigenous to South Asia. The Assamese speak an Indo-Aryan, thus Indo-European language, but (like – to various degrees – many other Indo-Aryan-speaking peoples of South Asia) have a complex history of ethnogenesis that involved assimilation of non-Indo-Aryan-speaking peoples and language shift over many centuries. Sure, Indo-Aryan speakers encountered autochthonous inhabitants when they migrated into South Asia four millenia ago. But you cannot apply this ancient migration event for labeling present-day ethnicities as "indigenous peoples" or "non-indigenous peoples" of South Asia. Most sources talk about Indigenous peoples in the context of colonialism and the resulting economic/cultural marginalization of native populations—in the worst case, expulsion and genocide (see the lede of Indigenous peoples). Contrasting Indo-Aryan vs. non-Indo-Aryan isn't relevant at all for this topic. It is also for this reason that I have reverted your recent addition to Indigenous peoples.
Surely a list does not need citations for every entry. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 22:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Clearly, there are multiple and at times somewhat conflicting definitions of indigeneity, and this is translating into significant disagreement, particularly over the the matter of whether largely dominant cultures in areas such as Africa and the Pacific Islands can be deemed indigenous. Obviously, the end-goal basic requirement for all entries is to simply be reliably sourced a statement by a subject-matter expert. For the moment, however, while where we have numerous dominant, but only potentially indigenous populations, two pertinent further questions (based on the various definitions at our disposal) are: were these populations the first settlers, or are they an amalgam of successive waves of migration? And, if they are culturally dominant, does the population at large maintain strong ties to their ancestral tradition and culture? Any first settlers have a strong case to indigeneity, even if they remain culturally dominant to this day, but the links to tradition and culture are also key to the notion of indigenous society. In dominant populations, the likelier candidates for indigeneity may well be much smaller communities or groups within a society that have maintained clearer links to their ancestral traditions than society at large. Such groups might contrast with the wider population, which may no longer be so tied to traditional culture. This culture can be defined in a variety of ways, including through language, but language alone is not really useful in instances where you are talking about whole populations and not discrete groups. These are the sorts of questions that subject-matter experts will have asked and answered, and the answers to such questions are what we should be searching for. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Inclusion criteria
Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute. The intended purpose of this listing is to provide a survey and overview of various distinct peoples, communities and societies who may be referred to as an indigenous people, even if some other terminology may be in more common use (for example, Native American).
Not every ethnic group article or stub will warrant inclusion in this listing. The term indigenous peoples has a distinct meaning as per the main indigenous peoples article, which is more specific than the general sense of "a people or group considered native to, or originating from, a given place".
The following are criteria suggested as guidelines for determining whether any particular people or group ought to be listed here. These criteria are put forward as an attempt to forestall any need for POV-based inclusion (or exclusion), particularly in cases where the claim to identity as an indigenous people may be contentious, inconsistent or unclear.
- an indigenous people may be identified as such, where notable independent reference(s) can be found that the group's indigenous identity is either asserted or recognised as being indigenous, or some other cognate term, by either:
- some government, regulatory body, law or protocol, which may be either sub-national, national or trans-national; and/or
- some recognised body, NGO or other organisation, involved with indigenous affairs and recognised as an accredited participant, intermediary or representative in some legal, negotiative, national or international regulatory or rights-based process; and/or
- some academic and peer-reviewed literature or publication; and/or
- some representative body of the indigenous society itself, where that representation is made in respect of a claim or issue to a government or governmentally-supported organisation (eg the UN, African Union).
That source should naturally be cited on the relevant page (and perhaps here on the listing, also). Where there is (independent) contention about identifying any particular group as an indigenous people, the contention should be noted in the relevant article along with the cited reference(s) in which this contention appears. See Category talk:Indigenous peoples for some further discussion. -- cjllw TALK 04:16, 20 June 2005 (UTC)
:Source: archive link
@ Pinchme123: changed the spelling of some words from British to American, and I reverted them. Pinchme123 sees a prevalence of American spelling in the article. I think that is not so clear cut for words that do vary between those two varieties of English and are not in quotes or part of citations. I do not have a set preference (I am American). Any opinions? Donald Albury 00:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
This article is deceptive, it's missing information Qwepo ( talk) 05:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Pinchme123, much of the content in the section South Asia is completely unsourced. Indo-Europeans are not considered indigenous to South Asia, ( Kalash people only speak an Indo-European language but have an indigenous isolate ancestry). Additionally, all Adivasis too are not indigenous to the subcontinent, rather the term refers to both indigenous and non-indigenous tribal groups. PadFoot2008 16:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
The Assamese are Indo-Europeans, a group not indigenous to South Asia. The Assamese speak an Indo-Aryan, thus Indo-European language, but (like – to various degrees – many other Indo-Aryan-speaking peoples of South Asia) have a complex history of ethnogenesis that involved assimilation of non-Indo-Aryan-speaking peoples and language shift over many centuries. Sure, Indo-Aryan speakers encountered autochthonous inhabitants when they migrated into South Asia four millenia ago. But you cannot apply this ancient migration event for labeling present-day ethnicities as "indigenous peoples" or "non-indigenous peoples" of South Asia. Most sources talk about Indigenous peoples in the context of colonialism and the resulting economic/cultural marginalization of native populations—in the worst case, expulsion and genocide (see the lede of Indigenous peoples). Contrasting Indo-Aryan vs. non-Indo-Aryan isn't relevant at all for this topic. It is also for this reason that I have reverted your recent addition to Indigenous peoples.
Surely a list does not need citations for every entry. Alexanderkowal ( talk) 22:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)