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The result of the move request was: There is consensus that the previous title was ambiguous and should be moved. There is rough consensus for List of Indian massacres in North America, which is where I have moved it. I might also have suggested more simply List of American Indian massacres but this idea didn't appear in the discussion. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
List of Indian massacres → List of Native American massacres – The term Indian is an outdated misnomer when referring to Native Americans. Its appropriate designation is for people of Indian nationality and descent. The name should be changed for clarity as it easily confused with Indian peoples in search engines. The U.S. government uses Native American/Indigenous Americans as a racial and ethnic designation. Similar pages such as Category:Massacres of Native Americans already exits using this. Vajra Raja ( talk) 05:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Vajra Raja ( talk) 05:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)The Jim Jumper massacre occurred when Jim Jumper, who was part Seminole, killed 6 or more Seminoles in their camp. While the incident has been called a "massacre" in sources, I'm not sure if it qualifies as an "Indian massacre" as the term is used in this list. - Donald Albury 17:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
The lead states:
In the history of the
European colonization of the Americas, an Indian massacre is any incident between European settlers and
indigenous peoples wherein one group killed a significant number of the other group outside the confines of
mutual combat in
war.
Yet there are entries pre-European colonization, entries that are clearly indian on indian (no Europeans involved), and entries that are clearly associated with Wars (ie. Battle of the Big Hole for example). My suggestion is that the lead be clarified and simplified to one simple inclusion criteria: RS refers to the incident as a Massacre. If we eliminate the European bias, mutual combat and war caveats, then inclusion become simple. My suggested lead would be:
Massacres involving indigenous peoples have been documented throughout the history of North America. This list includes incidents involving indigenous peoples, settlers, militias and government forces commonly referred to as massacres.
Mike Cline ( talk) 15:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The list is currently divided between massacres before 1830 and those after 1830, but I don't see a justification for the distinction. I'm not particularly contesting this distinction, just asking for the reason for it. Tedcampbell ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a legal term in USA …. American Indian. Outside of that context, the usage of Native American or tribal precolumbianAmerican. As listed this is racism101…. Which additionally requires a caveat that this is not referring to Indians on another hemisphere (missed clue of racism) . Please adjust the title to say either American Indian or Native American. This passive racism and shadow erasure must stop. 8.8.228.254 ( talk) 21:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
https://heritagebooks.com/products/101-e0604 72.35.179.34 ( talk) 06:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
References
Donald Albury 17:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Missing is 400 native Americans killed at dawn at hands of captain turner and the resulting counter attack where another 100 militia died. Great falls, Montague Massachusetts at communal fishing village on Connecticut River 2601:186:837F:E9C0:130:BB44:F0C7:F6A1 ( talk) 20:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: There is consensus that the previous title was ambiguous and should be moved. There is rough consensus for List of Indian massacres in North America, which is where I have moved it. I might also have suggested more simply List of American Indian massacres but this idea didn't appear in the discussion. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
List of Indian massacres → List of Native American massacres – The term Indian is an outdated misnomer when referring to Native Americans. Its appropriate designation is for people of Indian nationality and descent. The name should be changed for clarity as it easily confused with Indian peoples in search engines. The U.S. government uses Native American/Indigenous Americans as a racial and ethnic designation. Similar pages such as Category:Massacres of Native Americans already exits using this. Vajra Raja ( talk) 05:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Vajra Raja ( talk) 05:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)The Jim Jumper massacre occurred when Jim Jumper, who was part Seminole, killed 6 or more Seminoles in their camp. While the incident has been called a "massacre" in sources, I'm not sure if it qualifies as an "Indian massacre" as the term is used in this list. - Donald Albury 17:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
The lead states:
In the history of the
European colonization of the Americas, an Indian massacre is any incident between European settlers and
indigenous peoples wherein one group killed a significant number of the other group outside the confines of
mutual combat in
war.
Yet there are entries pre-European colonization, entries that are clearly indian on indian (no Europeans involved), and entries that are clearly associated with Wars (ie. Battle of the Big Hole for example). My suggestion is that the lead be clarified and simplified to one simple inclusion criteria: RS refers to the incident as a Massacre. If we eliminate the European bias, mutual combat and war caveats, then inclusion become simple. My suggested lead would be:
Massacres involving indigenous peoples have been documented throughout the history of North America. This list includes incidents involving indigenous peoples, settlers, militias and government forces commonly referred to as massacres.
Mike Cline ( talk) 15:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
The list is currently divided between massacres before 1830 and those after 1830, but I don't see a justification for the distinction. I'm not particularly contesting this distinction, just asking for the reason for it. Tedcampbell ( talk) 11:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a legal term in USA …. American Indian. Outside of that context, the usage of Native American or tribal precolumbianAmerican. As listed this is racism101…. Which additionally requires a caveat that this is not referring to Indians on another hemisphere (missed clue of racism) . Please adjust the title to say either American Indian or Native American. This passive racism and shadow erasure must stop. 8.8.228.254 ( talk) 21:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
https://heritagebooks.com/products/101-e0604 72.35.179.34 ( talk) 06:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
References
Donald Albury 17:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Missing is 400 native Americans killed at dawn at hands of captain turner and the resulting counter attack where another 100 militia died. Great falls, Montague Massachusetts at communal fishing village on Connecticut River 2601:186:837F:E9C0:130:BB44:F0C7:F6A1 ( talk) 20:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)